#ichafantalks hxh

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Icha help what is going on with hxh and its multiple endings, the tag is just confusing me even more, I feel like the whole classroom passed a note and I'm the only one who didn't read it, did Togashi play Who Wanna Be A Millionaire and lost because that's what I'm getting.

oh i'm so sorry i have to be the one to break this news to you

you rn:

so a couple of days ago Togashi was at an event in which he answered some questions from an interview and everything. In this interview, he was asked about the hxh's ending.

Here's what he replied.

the long story short is that he mentioned that he had 3 ending planned for hxh, all of which he calculates would be meet with different level of satisfaction from fans. His favorite ending is Ending C, but he feels like fans will dislike it the most.

However he also added that to give a picture of the possible endings, he's going to share Ending D, which is an ending he disregarded and would not make canon, but then he added "but if i die before i can finish hxh you can imagine this one to be canon"

Ending D is the cliché type of ending from shounen manga where you cut to Gon's daughter, Jin (get it, because Ging, Jin) who is fishing the god of the lake on Whale's Island for Grandma Mito and Noko, her mother (? a brand new character at least.) We learn her father, Gon, has left as an hunter and Jin wonders why her father is living this life, meanwhile "a figure" (probably Gon) is observing this scene from afar.

So as you can imagine, fans have been Losing It™ to say the least. News outlet has been saying THIS is the true hxh ending and now everyone is mad. Homophobic fans have been extremely eager to spam this ending to the replies of anyone talking about Killugon since because "actually Togashi planned on Gon to have a child" and all of that jazz. It's been a riot. On fire. People have been disappointed. Other heartbroken.

... because everyone is acting like it's going to be the actual ending.

While the interview was literally "here's the ending i disregarded but hey, if i die you can use this one in your head"

Like i said personally i think Togashi is trolling and making fun of the fans who are already burying him. It seems too cliché to be serious, and the fact it's not an ending that is considered makes me think it was never that serious to share to start with.

But fans gonna be fans and the fandom has been on fire ever since this interview came out.

And once people calmed down about this ending, people have been theorizing about the others three teased ending and what would Togashi means about "endings fans would find disappointing" and all of that. So that's where we're at right now.

so welcome to this dumpfire, enjoy your stay!

#love being the bad news bear this time #ichareply #ichafantalks hxh #jorjor wel

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(Re: the poll) YOU'RE RIGHT 😭😭😭 Togashi, palate cleanser watching Gon struggle with his math lessons chapter WHEN???

NO BUT FOR REAL.

no more Murder for ONE CHAPTER, just Gon's brain frying because math are out there to get him :(

wasted opportunity. instead i have to look at a fucked up horse. Boo. where is the math struggle. somehow!!!

#ichareply #autumnxsunflower #ichafantalks hxh

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In Hunter x Hunter, Hisoka is set up to be Gon's dark counterpart. For Killua it's Illumi, and for Kurapika it's Chrollo. But doesn't that mean Leorio also has one? But then I realize... What if PARISTON is meant to be Leorio's dark counterpart? What do you think about it?

i haven't though of hxh like that in forever holy shit.

I don't really know, in the Election arc they did work pretty well as foil to one another, because of the situation they were in, but Leorio was more a pawn in Pariston's game Leorio didn't even really care about.

And nowadays with the Black Whale arc, Pariston is much more set as Ging's dark counterpart. They're the two who are playing cat and mouse as of now, constantly keeping each other guessing.

If anything i would wonder if, if Leorio has one, it's not supposed to be Ging. Because Leorio not being there for his friends was tearing him up inside, he ran to the people he loved the moment they were suffering, and now feels like he needs to be there and not leave (to school, honorable) as to be a support for them.

In that sense it can contrast Ging much more easily considering Ging is the definition of the deadbeat, absent father who's not here to support anyone.

and i bring it up because their confrontation was the core of the Election arc, Leorio getting involved in politics and every opportunities that opened themselves to him after that were all a direction consequences of him confronting Ging and being a better caretaker than him.

It's also, i think, pretty telling in the way Leorio takes Ging's place in the Zodiac once Ging's leave, or how Ging copied Leorio's Nen technique for his own personal use - a technique he mentions was made specifically for medical care to start with, but that Ging is using in the same way Leorio used against him in the one time Leorio got violent with his technique.

If anyone is set up as a Darker counterpart to Leorio, Ging has more stuff that would give him this place. He's not an unredeemable piece of shit like the others contender to the part, but he fits the bill.

I don't know if Leorio is really supposed to be having one so far though. I kinda hoped the BW arc would give Leorio more to do now that he's on the ship and we might actually explore all of that, but well.

I suppose another possible reading is that Leorio doesn't need an antagonist when all of the people he cares about are self destructive to the core and as such the people who are the more a threat to everything Leorio love are also what Leorio love to start with and it create different type of conflicts.

That'd be where i stand on it at least

man it's been a while since i wrote about hxh, i'm feeling rusted ahah, but i hope it was a nice read!

Take care o7

#ichareply #ichafantalks hxh #anonymous

[icharchivist]

I see no difference

THIS IS SO MEAN THIS IS SO MEAN THIS IS SO MEAN BLOCKED AND REPORTED

#NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO #jorjor wel #ichafantalks hxh #ichareply

[icharchivist]

Wait the Eternal's localized names are old English???

I thought they were just made up, I'm so sorry

And also, yeah, I totally also read the e in Seofon until just now, apparently

LDJJFLKDJFLDFLMFDKFDML

YES. YES THEY ARE. i mean most of them are!

The justification was that since the Eternal's Japanese name came from all over the world it would be confusing for a non-Japanese player who could recognize the numbers (like Siete would be confusing for Italians who'd just see 7 around, Quatre would be confusing for French speakers who would just see 4 around, Six would be confusing for most Latin Language ect) so they went instead with a version that is no longer in use.... and focusing on English.

I personally am not fan of the change because i think the international aspect of the initial name was to show that the Eternals are watching all over the skies, all over the world basically, and limiting them to Old English just... well. is limiting.

But at least there was indeed some thoughts into it.

and yeah same. French and Japanese are both Syllabic languages so it's basically easier -ish for French ppl to read romanized Japanese because we do have like 90% of the same logic in prononciation and there's just a few sounds that are not similar, but at least the prononciation logic is consistant (*side eye at English*)-- and i was taught that you need to pronounce every syllabe the way they're written. So even when they are using foreign name i tend to use this logic and i always read it Sé-o-fo-n . But that's so wrong because English still is there to spite me.

But oh well the more we know!

#this reminds me of when i read hxh in english and the english translation localized Kaito's name as 'Kite' #because it's how you'd pronounce 'Kite' in English. but i was going with the Japanese logic. #so i kept reading it as 'K-ee-té' and got so heavily confused when i picked a french version of hxh #and read his name localized 'kaito' because it follows the convention of how we pronounce Japanese names #anyway good times #also one of my gift for this xmas had an Italian quote on the box and it had the word Siete on it #and i swear i had a moment of not computing because 'what the fuck is he doing here' #i'm sure it's what gbf wanted to avoid. But i wish they let him haunt me properly. #ichareply #ichafantalks gbf #anonymous

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@autumnxsunflower submitted this attrocity

tumblr isn't letting me post it this is how CURSED THAT IS

THIS IS THE WORST THING I'VE EVER SEEN HOW DARE YOU???

AND YET I CANNOT STOP LAUGHING

BUT I AM IN SUCH HORROR RIGHT NOW WHAT DID YOU DO TO MY BOY????? HOW DARE YOU?????? CRYING???

#HOW. WHY. #sobs ?????????? #never have been so angry at google for showing My Boy in the searches for once. #ichareply #autumnxsunflower #ichafantalks hxh #not sfw #trying to escape ass out july 10th and yet. here i am. crying.

[icharchivist]

Zoey says she wants the clown to die and stay dead

PUPPY PRIDe

WHAT A CUTIE

if she demands it then the clown must die. we all want the clown to die anyway, but if the queen asks thereby we must do it. if only.

#ichareply #ihavenotfallenyet #ichafantalks hxh

[icharchivist]

i wish we could remember july 10th as "clown man gets punched in the face day" as we should

I WISH. WE SHOULD. This is the only good thing that happened on July 10th (the more i think about this fight the more i'm going to WEEP.).

but NOOOOOO everyone post the clown's ass! he doesn't even say this line on July 10th! i'm going to cry.

punch him again please.

#ichareply #anonymous #ichafantalks hxh

[icharchivist]

why did you lose interest in hxh?

ahah quite the question is it not

there’s multiple reasons in general, but i think the main one is just that i got interested in others things and all instead? I always go by cycles of hyperfixations and such, like only one thing on my mind at all time, and so generally well, after a while i tend to lose interest, especially if something else catches it instead.

though there were others factors if i’m being honest in also not trying to keep the interest pumping. 

The most major one is just that, sadly, the reality of the hiatus is that with lack of new contents it kinda felt like circling back on the same topics and thoughts over and over again (which i don’t fault Togashi for, his health comes before anything else) and it is true that the current arc, while interesting, has... less of a linear track and is kinda confusing and i don’t have the brainpower to always remember everything that’s going on in between months of update. (my energy has drastically been running out those past few years so i kinda dread coming back to it at the state the story is at. Togashi is a master at his craft, i just don’t think i can follow at the moment)

Back then, I also started to take issues with the fandom a bit; i’m still mad at how Gon gets misinterpreted sometimes and i’ve talked soooo much about it at this point and all that i think i’ve run myself out of energy, and, the reality of fandom is, you can say whatever you want, you can wish you cleared something up, but not everyone will see your points and stuff will start over and over and over again. I still follow some hxh blogs to that day and i get echos of dis//courses that are still happening and it makes me dread to think we’re still at it years later - but that’s how fandom rolls, there’s nothing one can do about it, and it’s healthier for me to stand back than to get worked up about it.

(which is a point i bring up especially because i did use to get a lot of ask about those scenes and after a bit it did get me worked up to repeat the same arguments over and over again - but, like, i can’t expect people to have read through all my blog to figure out my opinions on specific things either, so, it’s not like i can fault anyone here)

aaaaalso a bit after i officially left the fandom (and joined a fandom that made me quit on the idea of being in fandom altogether lmao that’s why nowadays i just ramble on my own and eventually reblog stuff from trusted mutu) there was major, major drama that started happening in the fandom that fucking terrified me. I don’t want to enter details, i don’t want to revive the dis//course that happened, but it was mindboggling and terrifying. I still read *nowadays* echos of some hxh fans being extremely toxic too in general and, considering the stuff i’ve seen, i’m dreading the idea of being around while they are. idk how it happened, perhaps because it’s that popular, because the dub is probably over by now (?) or something but man i’m seeing dramas that just makes me want to turn off my internet and never visit a social media again lmao

Nowadays i admit i haven’t interreacted with any hxh in years (i think since the last update of the manga?? that’s it) aside from some content i see from hxh blogs i still follow from back in the days (people whom i still really enjoy seeing around and they remind me of the appreciation i had for the story with their posts - i’m just not inclined to interreact further with it)

but it’s not like i dislike the manga either.

To be honest my opinions on the fandoms have often ended up skewying my view on the stories that brought me joy, like annoying dramas end up me getting worked up and disgusted with the source material and go “it’s not even that good to be worth of it”, and i kinda hate when it happens? because if i hyperfocus on those stories it’s not because they’re good but because they bring me some sort of joy, and i hate the idea of this joy being destroyed not because the story is failing me, but because i get worked up about what some random people online say about it or to each others. (re: why i barely participate in fandoms these days)

hxh is one of the fandom i decided to take a step back in order to be able to remember why i liked it this much without having to think about the people factor into it.

So, i still really like hxh and i don’t regret having been a part of its fandom back in the days, i hold fond memories of this time, and i just don’t want to ruin it by forcing the interest back. (and honestly this is more than what i can say for many fandoms i’ve been into)

That said, in general: i feel like the ambiance in some fandoms i’ve lurked on have grown into territories that makes me profoundly uncomfortable, and my life has been getting complicated enough that i don’t want to add fandom worries on it. I feel like the ambiance nowadays is far more hostile and unenjoyable and kinda scary and don’t feel as comfortable talking about the stuff i like in places people can read me. (the reasons i still do so with g//b//f or a//3, aside from the fact those are part of my current hyperfixations, is that they’re niche enough that i feel like my posts gets posted only for the people unfortunate enough to be following me, not “basically anyone”, privacy babey)

so, in general, i’ve taken a major step back from interreacting with people in fandom space and gets waayy too self conscious when i’m posting anything online these days, and since the fandom which was the last straw for me was the one i got into right after my hxh phase, while i was seeing stuff go down in my previous fandoms, this is about the time i started to just, be less active in general, talk less unless i know it’s niche enough people won’t find me, and stuff like that

hxh isn’t the first fandom i did that with but i think it was striking because i did it more drastically right after it, and because i used to be really active and loud there. My posts still circulate a *lot* too even to that day, moreso than posts i’ve made for any others fandoms, so i suspect that adding to that the fact the fandom is pretty much alive and well (unlike some fandoms i love like d/g/m love u sweetie we’ll get ham when the flashback arc is over i’m sure, eventually,) people liked my posts enough to still read them nowadays, and that’s very humbling and touching. 

but yeah, i ended up rambling ahah ^^” but yeah tl;dr it’s just a mix of the fact i just ended up interest in other things, got a bit tired with the same topics repeating themselves especially since with the hiatus it’s not like we could do more, and hxh was the last fandom i genuinely wanted to be active in before i decided to drop being active in fandoms all together.

so yeah here you have it ^^” hope it makes sense

take care nonny! i wish you well!

#ichafantalks hxh #man what a clusterfuck of a post i'm sorry dKLFJDF #Anonymous #ichareply

[icharchivist]

just genuinely curious, who is the hunter clown (can't see his face) and why do you hate (?) him?

nonny you’re so lucky to not know why would you throw your luck away like this

joking aside, the hunter clown is Hisoka Morrow from Hunter x Hunter, 

tremble, for the word “problematic” was invented for him (i’m joking but you get the idea)

I used to be really really really active in the hxh fandom a few years ago and have a few hxh mutuals who would know the clown and associate the word “hisoka” with him. Hell one day i was looking for a card of Hisoka Mikage with just “[name of the card] hisoka” and the whole google section was flooded with Hisoka Morrow, cries.

hxh is also a very popular manga in general (and rightfully so, it is a very good story) but so people tend to hear “hisoka” and think of him. (which is unfair, “Hisoka” just means “sneaky”, there’s even an episode of hxh called “Hisoka wa Hisoka” (Hisoka is sneaky) bc of that -)

I also have a few hxh posts that are still circulating in the fandom and i would hate for them to open my tumblr and see, out of context, me say “hisoka is so cute” (esp since there had been fans going out of their way for “if you like the villain you’re a bad person” way with him and i’m too tired and not involved in the fandom anymore to let it be something bad faith people could use against me) (am i lowkey paranoid? maybe.)

as for my feelings toward him, i think he’s a fantastically written problematic villain and it *is* enjoyable to see him be trash on screen, and i appreciate him as such. 

He’s not however a character i would attribute the terms “sweet, cute, lovely, makes me emotional” to and i have plenty of friends who would sieze the opportunity to tease me if i did call Hisoka any of those things (which happened one of the first time i mentioned Hisoka Mikage) (no worries it’s in good camaradery and fun and friendship lmao)

as for the reasons he’s particularly problematic he’s *waves hand* honestly he hits the box of ways too many problematic behaviors to count

as it is i’d recommand hxh bc it’s pretty interesting and good (even if i’m not involved with the fandom anymore LDKJFD) though it has heavy themes so maybe check out before getting into it if those themes are the sort of things you would like to get into

but anyway, only One Hisoka matters to me and it’s this one:

anyway, take care nonny ;O

#ichafantalks hxh #well that's a tag i hadn't used in forever #here it is #Anonymous #ichareply

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When I love an anime to death I'm in the habit of rewatching it and looking for all the met I can get on it, then rewatching scenes I like a bunch of time . HxH is one of my favorites of all times (probably my 1st favorite), but I rewatched most of the anime so many bloody times and while I still love it and think it's a masterpiece my brain get PTSD from the idea of even looking again at a single episode (yes that bad) and I'm curious if that happened to you too ?

Oh my god i’m so sorry to hear that!!

but something kinda similar yeah i’ve rewatched it a LOT, i mean esp in comparaison to how much i don’t watch anime to start with (i’ve always been more comfortable reading manga than watching anime as a matter of fact, i’m that asshole that goes “bUT IN THE MANGA-” everytime i see an anime)

There’s also the fact that my last session of hxh was a bingwatching with friends were we watched like 12 episodes a day together (with vanilla tea, this is my forever association with hxh rn) in a couple of month, and we were ending each watching with debates and discussions and all, which was super fun! like it was genuinely my fav way to watch hxh, with people who had never watched it before but who are willing to enter the most complicated conversations about it the moment we finished an episode.

And I think in a way i think... no reviewing can live up to that? 

I mean what’s the fun of watching it if i don’t have a friend who turns to me and say “I’m warning you if you lied to us and the octopus die I will hate you”

I admit i was also a bit fed up with some of the conversations, yknow the ones about Gon being toxic, and it made me frustrated when I was watching the anime instead of just.. enjoying the experience again. (a v pretentious “how people didn’t pick THAT up” frustration getting angry at my screen instead of appreciate the build up yknow) so i know i had to take a step away from the anime for a while so the fandom’s stuff wouldn’t make me enjoy watching the anime less.

Despite it, I still have very found memories of hxh and i’m glad i’ve rewatched that anime as many time as i did ahah. It was a fun ride! I remember so much of it so vividly! It was great!

idk if i’m in a mood to rewatch it anytime soon but i’m not regretting any seconds of it! :3c

#(tbh one of the main reason i stopped blogging about it is that a surge of big blogs had happened in the fandom) #(see a lot of their posts on my dash) #(and those ppl had been involved in huge har rassm ent's over some others members of the fandom i know about) #(like p disgusting things and i think i've blocked as many ppl as i can) #(but it's tumblr and they keep being recommanded to me bc ppl keep reblogging from them) #(so i ended up blcklisting their name and as a result my dash filtered all the hxh content bc those blogs are everywhere) #(and in a way i just don't want to reblog about it bc i don't want to even interreact with those people) #(I still pretty much love hxh and am so glad i got into it) #(ive just pretty much blacklisted one of the most active part of the fandom bc of their attitude so as a result i dont reblog anything anymo #(sO YEAH dkjhfdl just so we're on the same page i didn't stop blogging about hxh bc i dislike it or got fed up with it ) #(i just don't like a huge part of what the fandom had become) #dkjfhdFLK anyway #ichafantalks hxh #seikyoko #ichareply

[icharchivist]

part 1- Wait now that I'm on a HxH roll, I remember something. Do you think that, narratively speaking, Pitou is redeemed ? They got really selfless and protective of Komugi at the end, and everyone seems to think so (and I'm just feeling sorry for Pitou), but there's a parralel in CA arc that make me think it isn't the case, narratively. Both Killua and Pitou are incredibly protective/caring about Gon and Meruem respectively. And went to great lengths to do it, are 100%ready to die to continue

part 2- continue protecting Gon/Meruem.. And there’s even the Pitou-Komugi/Killua-Kite parrallel “it’s an important person for the person I love, and if they died the person I love would change/never recover”. But there’s also something else I remembered. The Killua vs Ikalgo fight. Ikalgo is estabilished as a threat (Killua can easily kill him but he did get damage and get lured into a trap), an ennemy really loyal to the Chimera ant side, and he was at the mercy of Killua and still firmly

part 3- on the ennemy side, Killua had absolutely nothing to gain by letting him go and by how loyal Ikalgo is, he’d definitely be an ennemy attacking his side again next time from Killua’s POV, there’s always the chance Ikalgo might harm Gon (since Gon isn’t untouchable ). But he emphatized with Ikalgo and did not kill him, and even threw him out of way of danger with his yoyo. Pitou get the same choice, while Gon is having his mental breakdown because of something Pitou has done and at the

4 final - the mercy of Pitou, he can hypothetically potentially be a threat to Meruem on the future (he’s not and Pitou can easily kill him). Pitou while Gon is still down decide to heal their arm and kill the little boy having a mental breakdown just in case. At the time he was still busy having a mental breakdown and blaming himself, and only pulled a Gon-san when Pitou told him she’d kill him. So in that situation, Killua spared Ikalgo and got saved by him, and Pitou didn’t and got decapited

sorry real final part - Basically Pitou was unable to connect/care about anyone other than Meruem and it was their downfall. While Killua befriended Ikalgo (and Palm and a lot of other people) despite everything and that’s the real difference between them

Oh i completely agree with everything you say!

I personally don’t think Pitou was redeemed in any way by the narrative tbh and you’re entierely right that the way their story was handled is a parallelism to how Killua handled his own storyar this season - both “natural born killer” with undying loyalty, but Pitou only extended it to one person and eventually what that person would want, while Killua extended it to more people.

I really don’t think Pitou is redeemed in anyway because there is no guilt, no attempt to be better, no nothing: Pitou just has one goal and stuck to this goal until the very end. If anything they learnt that they had to be serious about it and couldn’t keep playing with their prey or they would create themselves unnecessary enemies, but in no way it is a redemption of sort.

Sure they grew - they grew enough to at least warn Gon, to take him seriously, to not just kill him without a warning like they did with Kite.

But that’s not redemption, that’s just growing up.

The thing is that meanwhile in the story Pitou is just a few months old and had the strong gene of their animal counterpart (the “playing with your prey” part) that was much more of an instinct that their humanity. 

If anything Pitou is memorable because we know the Three Royal Guards were all extremely loyal to Meruem, but they all were in very different ways: Pouf was loyal to the Original Goal of Meruem’s existance, Youpi was loyal in term of how to physically protect him and not exactly bother with the details of what that implies, while Pitou was loyal to what was important for Meruem’s individuality.

And it’s the development of those brands of loyalty that is especially interesting especially in comparaison to Killua who had shown kinda those three loyalty toward Gon? Trying to keep him focused on his goal, always physically protecting him, and wanting to emotionally protect him. 

Out of the Three Roal Guards Pitou ultimately was the only one who cared about what Meruem actually wanted. So it already paints them in a more sympathetic light. 

Personally this is one of the reason i felt a lot of pity toward their death (along with the fact that Gon suffered a lot from it and had no happiness in this revenge, only more pain). That at least, to a level, for one person, Pitou was able of empathy.

But again : that’s in no way a way to redeem them. It adds layers, it makes feelings more complicated but that doesn’t change anything about Pitou’s actions and the narrative doesn’t try to pretend it does. 

So yeah else i’m 100% with you with your development so i can’t add much to that. Pitou is a fascinating character but not exactly a redeemable one. Just… kind of a carcrash in slow mo where you know that they’re the ones who pulled the brakes for it to happen just because they wanted to have fun. 

If all of this makes sense kdjhf

#ichafantalks hxh #seikyoko #ichareply #man i hadn't talked about hxh in forever nice to see u there

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part 1- You're gonna judge me, but I'm someone who like the existence of Hisoka in HxH ? I mean I don't like Hisoka himself, he's a morally bankrupt creepy pedophile cursed clown. But there's an incredible amount of stuff I watched where there's someone powerful on the Good Side who does a lot of creepy stuff like peeping at women without their consent, making incredibly sexist/perverted remarks, and there's even an incredible amount of groping/molesting treated as a joke and the author is like

part 2- "woah that's hilarous that hysterical/violent woman hit him as payback he's all beat up lol" and pretend that all is alright after that like what the guy did wasn't incredibly creepy/invading. and just treat the whole thing as comic relief/no big deal. (Mineta being the biggest example), "that's alright he hasn't raped anyone he's so chivalrous/cool" Hisoka is hot, he's strong, he's helped the good side numerous times

part 3 final- times, he hit the mark for "chivalrous pervert" (incredibly, Hisoka hasn't creeped on/disrespected women unlike most chivalrous pervert, but yeah he's a fucking pedophile), but clearly nobody is justifying Hisoka's attitude/approving of it, and you just get really alarmed when he does that crap like "fuck Hisoka is there y do u exist" and it's just cursed in general. Which is so refreshing unlike the authors who think what Mineta/Jiraiya does is comic relief and no big deal

part 4 the actual final sorry- HxH is like "just try justifying anything Hisoka does" and you can't, pedophilia is bad get away from the children you creepy clown, his creepyness is not romanticised/downplayed by the story. The same thing for self-harm which is praised in 99% shounen (Midoriya for example where everyone is like "woah he's so brave, but that's not very pratical") but is just horrifying in HxH (Gon-san being.. too much)

Nah i don’t judge you dw, i kinda agree. 

under cut since the conversation is huh, well, Hisoka, and a little longer than average:

As a person, Hisoka is... not someone i would like at all lmao but as a character i am at least... i guess glad a character just that morally bankrupt exist? and i especially like what he brings to the story, there’s always a sens both of safety and dread everytime he’s on screen that i find absolutly fascinating to experience. Like, when in the YN arc Killua and Gon were kidnapped, everyone i know had a moment of reassurance of “Hisoka is there he won’t let anything bad happen to them” until it hits us “wait we’re trusting Hisoka???” and i absolutly love the emotional yoyo it makes you go through.

But yeah exactly like you say, first there’s the fact that even if he helps the protagonists at time, Hisoka is still painted as an antagonist, and his creepy, disgusting actions, are framed as creepy disgusting actions. When there is a joke around his action being creepy, the joke remains on him being creepy and not on “aw look how miserable he is now that he’s been called out” or “ah look how unreasonable this person is he wasn’t doing anything wrong”, something we find a lot in “chivalrous pervert” narratives.

And just like the self harm thing you bring up i do feel like it’s part of a bigger picture of “look at how uncomfortable you’d be if an adult man would be having this sort of behavior around others men, especially teenager boys” that especially in the 98s would have been a statement to make. 

i do feel concern, especially nowadays, that it does fall under the “predatory pedophilic “sexually deviant” man” archetype and i understand being uncomfortable with that - Hisoka acts mostly creepy toward men but he does eem to have had some interest in Machi which extends his pool of creepiness, and the fact his attraction is 100% “people who’d i’d love to fight”, this remains part of a bigger trope that stigmatize LGBT+ people. And that... remains a rightful issue to be at cringing about, despite it more being a case of well, it being a trope, therefore part of a patern in multiple medias, that specifically how Hisoka himself is written.

 But yeah in the tradition of hxh bending some classic Shounen trope on an uncomfortable level i do think Hisoka falls under specifically, a way to tackle this sort of “pervert” character we see in most shounen: usually too stupid in his perversery to be harmful, where you make fun of how pitiful he is while also being complicite of his perverted actions.

Like you bring up Jiraiya and Mineta rightfully so, they do that: when they’re pervert, you’re supposed to find them pitiful, but the type of pity you laugh about and brush off. But at the same time, there are always panels to show you exactly what they’ve been perving about, you see the sexy girls being sexy in your frames so you’re “perving” with them. Hell scenes of Naruto shows Naruto, 13, changing himself into a sexy lady just to Jiraiya would actually teach him things, there is indulgence in how pervert those characters can be.

And this indulgence isn’t there with Hisoka. The fact to start with what arouse him is fighting makes that there is less body exploitation to be accomplice of when we watch him starting to be excited about something, so it leaves us to see Hisoka’s reaction exactly for what it is: creepy and disgusting.

And it’s the fact it’s framed like that that allow the audience to take a step back and watch how Hisoka  is completely morally bankrupt rather than trying to justify him. 

Adding to that the fact he mostly subjects Male characters to it shift a bit the usual focus of those perverts’s lenses we see in fiction, and yeah especially in media originally targetted toward men, it feels like a “see, now that you are at the other side of the gaze, you find it creepy don’t you?”. 

Besides Hisoka is not dumb, he’s not stupidly uncompetant, unlike a lot of the Chivalrous perverts you see in fiction, you know Hisoka is dangerous and smart enough to come up with schemes to get what he wants (just look at how his actions in the YN arc, GI arc and hell, now in the DC arc, are all calculated in order for him to get what he wants out of Chrollo). His pervert side is predatory, and is portrayed as dangerous as such, while most perverts usually get a freepass as “harmless” at least when they’re doing perverted things.

So at least I like that there is this honesty about how Hisoka is completely unredeemable and that every single of his aspects are to be shamed and be uncomfortable about. 

It is interesting imo to take such a character and have turned him into an unlikely ally in some arcs while always keeping this sense of dreads of knowing it is not completely an ally, it is a character who is completely driven by his own motivations and if the protagonists are lucky, those motivations can align with their survivals, but that’s it. And I do find it fascinating how it is written.

So yeah no i kinda agree about that. It is a bit fascinating a character like Hisoka actually exist and i do think it is meant to counter the trend we see of a lot of “positive pervert” who had been just as creepy in the way they objectified women, but that the narrative excuses because it’s funny/they’re “not doing anything wrong”. It’s refreshing in a way to just turn the picture around and go “no this is fucking disgusting no matter how you read it”

So yeah as a person, Hisoka is... Bad. Unredeemable. In every sense of the term. 

But as a character there is value in the choices taken to depict him in which the audience can distach itself from his actions and just appreciate a complex character who happens to be completely unredeemable.

If that makes sense? 

So yeah no i agree with you. I’ll still yell about the fact we had to see his ass as much as we did though.

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So I decided to look at your liveblog of hxh2011 and your reactions at Hisoka being Hisoka are hilarous. "Why are we seeing his butt" "Wtf is he doing" "is that a.. boner ?" and I'm laughing at your trauma

Oh my g od welcome in the pits of hell of crying over Hisoka. This is terrible thank you very much for the reminders.

I.... this show left scars man *shakes head* i mean it was all worth it but at the cost of my sanity of just accepting that a naked clown having boners wandering around was a thing i ended up just resigned into seeing in my life huh

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@peggaboo replied to your post “What are the major markers that you think advanced killugon...”

I always see the difference in their parting in the anime as a) Gon pushing through the hurt of the separation by focusing on his next goal - look how his expression changes from smiling to hurting before he looks up and the determination comes on, and b) the anime crew not knowing if they'll get to make another season and having to -

- make two last episodes that felt like a satisfactory ending to their adaption. Personally I think they did a great job but that's just me.

Oh yeah i can understand that tbh, it was a creative decision that was supposed, on a personal journey term, to give a good note to Gon’s character’s ending. 

Like if we stick to it on a personal journey way, it is a good choice because else it would have been very bittersweet. The manga does go on about how Gon isn’t content once he achieved his goal which i don’t think the anime knew, or if they did, i doubt they wanted to end the anime on such a note as “the whole journey we just spent? Just destroyed Gon have a nice day”

i’m almost certain tho that it was kinda agreed upon that they will end the anime there until Togashi has advanced the manga, which is also why the manga chapters’s look like an ending as well. Togashi gave Gon’s arc an ending (for now, until we get to explore the aftermath of “what happen when your shounen goal ends up being unsatisfactionary”, if we get there) so the anime would have a place to stop. Gon’s expression in the manga was necessary for the set up of his arc’s continuation - but for the anime to end on a good note, it needed to change it a little and i get it.

So characterwise I get the idea and I don’t think it’s too bad per se.

My point with this specific post though is that I’ve seen people using it specifically against Gon in term of him “not caring about Killua at all anymore” which is just not true and not alligning with the vibe of the manga.

if the decision was okay on character standpoint, most of people who blames Gon for the separation uses this scene by making it all about how Gon disregard Killua, and it is a misinterpretation of the intend, yes, but my point there is that, it wasn’t even in the manga to start with so let’s best not use that as an ammo for “Gon not caring about Killua anymore”

This post is... very old lmao but i seriously used to see rants against Gon on how he treated Killua almost everyday so there’s a lot of things I got very petty about. Since this post was specifically about Gon and Killua’s relationship i wanted to address this misconception in some way. 

It’s not the anime’s fault it focused on individual character journeys- i get the choice and in the end, it’s better for a fufilling arc on Gon’s part - but it ended up being lackluster for a lot of shippers who couldn’t stop bringing it up.

But at the end of the day, if someone wants to analyse character’s motivations they need to know about the way it was done in the manga, not the adaptation. And I mean it purely on an analytic standpoint - preferences of how the storyline was done ecompass adaptation and all of that, rightfully so. My point is however that you can’t use something that was changed in the adaptation to make a point about a character since you likely lose the original nuance and meaning in the process. (except if the change was specifically made as a reckon for the full lore of the story, but that wasn’t the case there. But that’s a whole other can of worm about how to approach adaptation changes and all.)

If you see me nippick this sort of things in others posts you can be certain it was likely 98% encouraged by spite over arguments i saw tossed around ahah.

So yeah no real hard feeling on the anime (at least not anymore, i might have misguided my bitterness when i wrote this post), more hardfeelings on how some fans used it for the wrong reasons y’know?

Take care!

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one thing that bother me in your metas, is when you bring up Killua using "Kite" name as a trigger, your pov is that Killua obviously knew that Kite was dead and just didn't want to snap Gon's out of his denial. That's a valid interpretation, but, I kinda see it as Killua actually wanting to believe Kite was alive ? as @mimzilla mentionned in her meta, people tend to forget that Killua actually took a shine to Kite really quickly and pretty much fanboyed over Kite even more than Gon did (1/?)

(2/3) And the affection went both ways since when Kite think of the good hunter qualities that Gon have, he thinks ‘good with animals’ and 'have extremely good friends’ (cue to Killua), and Kite was being a senpai to Killua and Gon equally. Killua was desensitized to death and acknowledged that Kite was dead, and felt really damn guilty for that happening, and was really guilty and down after that (and not just in the 'Gon may hate me’ aspect). But Gon was pretty much estabilished as Killua’s

(¾)Positiveness and happiness in life and allowed Killua to be less pessimistic/cynical and more hopeful just by being his friend. So when Gon said “Kite is alive”, we don’t see Killua thinking 'omg this is fucked up how do I explain’, but instead him being snapped out of his self-loathing, then smiling then refering to Gon as his light (and I ship Killugon too, but if you don’t think Killua wanted to believe Kite was alive that scene kinda come out of the blue). Also while us fans saw Kite

(4/5) be decapitated by Pitou and we knew he was 100%dead, Gon AND Killua didn’t so Killua probably only thought Kite was under the effects of a really powerful mind control, AND IT WAS THE DAY AFTER HE PULLED OUT THE NEEDLE, so Killua was pretty much a live example of someone who can recovers from being mind-controlled (though not to such an extent), in the palace, when Gon decide to use Komugi as a hostage, we see Killua pretty much believing that as long as they have Komugi, Pitou will obey

(5/5) we see Killua quietly waiting for Pitou to heal Kite and Gon to come back, and when Palm say that no Pitou isn’t going to heal Kite,Killua is just plain shocked, panic at the thought that Pitou is going to kill Gon when Pouf explain why and go after them. People should stop forgetting that Killua is a 13yo child and I die a little inside when people say that he purposefully used Kite against Gon “despite knowing Kite was dead”. just wanted to say it

Heyo!

Good point still, and i may get carried away because I see much more people get against Gon and everything “Killua has done for him”. 

I do think that Killua was in denial at first, i just don’t think his denial is as strong as Gon. Even if Gon’s optimism is carrying to him, I do think Killua isn’t 100% sure Kite is alive, like Gon is. But I do think he’s denial, that even when he saw the corpse and could maybe doubt it, he stood by Gon’s version of the facts and in Gon’s denial, and that he also wished that Pitou will be able to heal Kite. And it’s a good point to bring up that he did like Kite. 

That doesn’t change my point though that he had used Kite’s name purposingly to calm Gon down. And i’ve repeated that it’s not something to hold against him, not only because of his age, but because of his training, he sees a way to calm Gon down and he takes it without thinking about how it could affect him. But Killua generally brought Kite (or Pitou) up in order to stop Gon from doing things. And he does say himself to Meleoronin chap 286, “Don’t worry, I have the magic word, “Kite””: he is aware that the name itself has an impact on Gon. And that’s more what I mean when I say he triggers Gon.

My metas are almost two years old, so i don’t really remember what i put in them, nor what was really my thought process, but as for now, I don’t think Killua *knew* Kite was dead, I just think he was less in denial than Gon and saw the times Gon was losing it and knew that bringing up Kite would calm him in some way when he was being reckless. (whenever he wanted Gon to not follow him in his infiltration mission, and when he told Gon to stop against Pitou. And while for the former i interpret it, on the later one, right afterwardhe tells Meleoron that Kite is a magic word that will stop Gon. (precisely “Gon won’t budge, at worst we will die together. Just kidding, don’t worry, i have the magic word: Kite.” So this is litteraly int he context of Gon beign too stubborn in a way he would die, and Killua with him, where Killua says the alternative to stop him is using “Kite”.) The times he brought up Kite were not “sharing guilt” moment, it was always to stop Gon from doing something, knowing that bringing up Kite would slow him down. And I don’t think that when Killua says those he brings it up for Kite’s interest, even if he believes he’s alive. 

I really don’t mean Killua is purposing triggering Gon while “he knows better”. I really more mean that he uses it to calm Gon down without realizing it’s a trigger, and why would he? He’s a kid, and he’s specifically had been raised with people using his own triggers against him, things he doesn’t even realize are triggers. Even if Killua distances himself from his family and is more healthy there are still lines in the sand he doesn’t particularly know about. And I think i bring that up a few times that Killua’s actions cannot be judged because of that very angle. I bring up they’re kids all the time.

If I did say “he’s purposing triggering Gon” that’s how i meant it, not that he’s trying to trigger Gon into his trauma, but that he’s purposingly using something he knows Gon has strong reactions to, in order to calm him. Pushing him to trauma isn’t his intend, his intend is to calm him. He’s purposingly using it, but not to traumatize Gon further. If i did say that, it was a shortcut. (which you may understand as i wrote those stuff a lot, and often repeated myself.)

It remains just that Kite is a trigger for Gon more than Killua is anticipating. I generally especially bring that up when Killua told Gon to not kill Pitou because otherwise they will never see Kite again (again, which is followed by the time he justified to Meleoron as “I have a magic word, Kite” to stop Gon from being stubborningly reckless), where Gon was triggered litterally to tell Killua that famous sentence the whole fandom holds against him, telling him it’s none of his business. And I really mean it litterally: this is the sentence that pushed Gon to snap at Killua. The narrator even says that Gon’s anger was all over the place, not knowing who to aiming it at. Then Killua said that. That’s the moment Gon targetted him with his anger. Because Killua made him snap out of his killing frenzie by using Kite, therefore bringing up Gon’s traumatized way to deal with it. Which is, litterally, triggering him. Even if it wasn’t Killua’s intention. Triggering someone isn’t always an intention. It’s just a thing that happens. Killua wasn’t trying to Trigger Gon. But he was trying to calm him down. He was using Kite as a way to calm him down, and Kite’s sake wasn’t the priority when it happened.

That’s what i mean and say when i talk about the triggering instances. and i don’t have the energy to go back to all my posts about it, they’re ways too old for me to do so, so if i can’t garentee that was my thoughtprocess back then, it is mine now. That’s it.

Hope it clears my point up?

Take care!

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