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adrianasunderworld · 5 months
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So I was in Walmart earlier today and-
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This is one of the most random mangas I have seen.
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merchantarthurn · 2 years
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What's going on with WHA and disney? I'm confused
Currently, it's not clear. Disney have announced they'll be working with Kodansha (the company that publishes WHA along with many other titles) which includes exclusive Disney+ licenses and original projects (like Netflix originals anime). There's a possibility they might get kind of the first pick on properties to adapt - it sounds like they've already got some kind of deal around Tokyo Revengers.
It's a little concerning since I cannot see Witch Hat's core themes and events gelling all that well with the Disney Brand but there's also no concrete news or guarantee it'll be one of the properties they license - and also no guarantee that they'll fuck it up, of course. The really annoying thing is that there's a possibility it might end up exclusively streaming on Disney+, and possibly also that they'll start getting DMCA-happy which would really fucking suck. But there's no concrete news around that - hell, given that it's already been announced there's probably already licensing for the first season re: animation, I'm not sure where in the pipeline distribution rights get nailed down though.
Still... generally speaking, I'm not thrilled about the news? Disney is just not the same as other streaming platforms when it comes to anime originals - it has a brand and style associated with its animation projects already, so it's kinda uncertain what they'll do with anime. Like the industry standard is to use the manga as a base style, and whilst CGI is becoming better implemented the general goal is a 2D style, right? I'm curious what this partnership will be - presumably commissioning existing studios who know what they're doing lol, we can only hope.
Edit: wanna make this super clear - there is NO indication that Disney intends to animate anything themselves I am just rambling here, the biggest gripe to be had is more where it will be streamed (i.e. possibly exclusively on Disney+). This may not affect the tone or content - but it would make it annoyingly inaccessible. There is some concern that they might put their finger on the scales with any current/future lgbt+ characters though which I won't deny I'm also concerned about.
TLDR: Nothing concrete yet, but the manga publishing company Kodansha has made a deal with Disney
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popculturebuffet · 8 months
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I thought I'd share an interesting story about Craig McCracken and his experience at Netflix Animation. After Kid Cosmic finished up, Craig pitched 16 original ideas to them but all of them were rejected. That was a factor in why Craig returned to Cartoon Network for reboot reviving The Powerpuff Girls and Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends since he himself said companies aren't buying originals these days, preferring stuff based on pre-existing IPs.
I didn't know he was involved in those but it makes sense.. and it's a sad truth. While some companies ARE trying new ips, a lot of the intrest is in old stuff. And I don't mind a good reboot, see Ducktales, but It is frustrating how companies favor ips over new ideas. It's telling that while Netflix has a stacked lineup this fall, it's all adaptations. Good adaptations, I haven't gotten to it but castlevania nocturne looks fantastic, scott pilgrim is my most anicipated show of the year and pluto looks to be the perfect adaptation of the best manga i've read... but it's very telling they haven't really launched antyhing new and canceled most shows that were just new ideas. I"m actually glad you asked this as it made me realize this trend. It's telling only ONE show, blue eye samurai, is completley whole cloth new.
It also might explain why disney hasn't really done any original animation for disney+: They have disney channel to funnel that in, so they can focus on the oh so profitable ips.. not realizing that being so ip heavy is hurting the service, with the marvel shows leading to mcu fatigue (Something even i'm starting to suffer), and the star wars one coming out so often. I love a good adaptation and i'm glad so many are coming.. but I also hope we get more good original content. It's why i'm glad Hazbin Hotel is coming to amazon prime. It's adaptaotins are great but this is a fresh property that'll hopefully get the rub vox machina and invincible did.
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ramshacklefey · 1 year
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I say this as someone who would be delighted if bkdk became canon, but for all the Americans out there: it's not going to happen.
You need to understand how the manga industry actually works, because it's wildly different from anything in America. The closest thing I can think of is network TV, but even there I think that the creative team has more control over the product than a mangaka does.
Horikoshi doesn't own MHA, WSJ does. In fact, he's likely only nominally the writer at this point. Every panel of every chapter has to be approved by his editor, who works for WSJ and isn't going to approve anything that the company doesn't want approved.
All the major plot beats, who lives and dies, who ends up dating whom, etc, are decided by the publisher, whose will is communicated by the editor. And unlike in American publishing, the bigger a series is, the less control the creator has.
This isn't like the Percy Jackson books, where they got so popular that Rick Riordan could start adding in queer characters without fear of repercussions. This is more, "Disney bought your idea, and you're still on the credits, but the studio is now in charge."
Horikoshi writes the dialogue and plans out the pages based on the orders he gets from his editor. The editor approves them, and then Horikoshi does basically the key frames before handing the pages off to his assistants to finish.
And that's just how things work. That's also why a series like Bleach can be forced to continue long after it should have ended. That's probably why Boruto exists at all. WSJ decided they weren't done milking that property, so they hauled Kishimoto-sensei out of bed by his ankles to make him do more. It's definitely why the last ??? years' worth of DBZ exists. It's why there are sometimes baffling decisions made with writing in popular series.
The reason that something like Yuri on Ice got away with what they did is because they were a tiny project. No one cared, because it was a tiny indie studio doing their own thing.
But WSJ isn't going to end a shonen with a gay ship, so we aren't going to see bkdk become canon. Maybe in an American series that could happen, but Horikoshi doesn't have enough legal rights to the series to make it happen even if he wants to.
And I think it's important for you all to know this so that you don't get your hopes up too high, and also so that when it inevitably doesn't happen, you don't take it out on the wrong person.
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Imo Kingdom Hearts could have been a lot different if Disney was never involved or if it was it's entire own francise with no crossover with FF or Disney, imo that would have been great. Since KH1, the Disney-worlds had barely to no connection or revelance to the main-plot anymore, Sora just travels to the worlds because he can, in KH1 there was more at stake in those worlds too, now they just feel like filler, as much as SE has tried up untill KH3.
Well, “Quadratum” means “Square”. It’s possible that Nomura wants to move away from Disney worlds and focus more on Square worlds. Although I like the Disney worlds, and think they help give the series a unique identity, I can understand that Disney is a is large, powerful, greedy corporation. And Nomura’s relationship with them has changed over time.
It’s telling that instead of coming up with a new plot that gives us a good reason to travel to the Disney worlds again (the real ones, not data worlds, memory worlds, dream worlds, etc.) he’s sending Sora and Riku off to a new alternate dimension based on Versus XIII—a Square property. It may indicate that he’s tired of Disney worlds and they will be getting less focus from now on.
KH1
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As the series has gone on, the implementation of the Disney worlds has become worse and worse as Nomura has struggled to come up with reasons to travel to them. I think you’re right that KH1 did the best with incorporating the worlds into the plot. Sora was trying to seal all the Keyholes, giving him a good reason to be in each one. He was looking for Riku and Kairi, which was a more personal goal. And then you had the seven princesses and the villain alliance. And each world contributed to the overall theme of the story.
KH CoM
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Pinocchio: Gee, Riku, don’t you have a Jiminy like I do? He’s my conscience. He’s taught me all kinds of important stuff. Maybe you just need somebody to show you what’s right and wrong.
Jiminy: Sure. You can’t shoulder all your problems alone, ya know. You must have somebody–a friend you can talk to?
In CoM, the Disney worlds were pure filler. Only existed for gameplay. On Sora’s side, the story within them was almost the exact same as it was in KH1. Even on Riku’s side, the Disney worlds were pointless. For instance, the whole Monstro level in KH3D could have happened in Re:CoM, since it’s basically reliving Riku’s memories from KH1, but having him make a different choice that time.
KH2
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Iago: I wanna be a good friend, like Genie, but I can't do anything to help you. What kind of a friend is that?
Sora: Oh, no---it's not like that, Iago. Friends don't have to "do" stuff. As long as you have fun hanging out together, that's all that matters.
In KH2, the worlds are a mix of new and old. But they’re not really important to the plot. Sora’s just looking for Riku and the King, they’re not there, you participate in the movie’s plot, then move onto the next one. All the actual story happens in Twilight Town, Hollow Bastion, or TWTNW. Each world usually has a theme and a moral lesson, but it doesn’t always relate to Sora that much, so they feel filler-ish. In the second half, the organization appears in the worlds, which makes them a little more relevant to the story. But not much. They were still fun levels, though.
358/2 Days
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Roxas had a good reason to go to the worlds, to collect hearts for the organization. I don’t mind if the Disney worlds aren’t directly plot-related, as long as there’s character development in them. I like that they took certain worlds from KH2 that felt like filler and expanded on the main theme of them, contributing to character development, particularly for Axel. For instance, in KH2′s Agrabah, the moral lesson was: best friends don’t have to be “useful”. This idea doesn’t have much to do with Sora, though, so it felt kinda pointless to his quest.
If you didn’t need me, then I no longer held meaning. However, reality is different. It wasn’t about whether I was needed or not. If I could just connect to others’ hearts, that would be enough.
But it was implied that this idea was very relevant to Axel’s memories of his past and his best friend. 
“Because they copied my powers, the Keyblade’s power, and then they didn’t need me anymore— is that it?” Roxas spat. 
He couldn’t bring himself to confirm it. 
“I guess you felt the same way, huh, Axel?” 
At those words, something wrenched in his chest, and he could hardly breathe. No, not me. I wasn’t thinking like that. I would never. “That’s not true. You—you’re my best friend.” The words spilled out of him.
The story of Days was all about how Roxas and Xion help Axel remember his past and what it felt like to have a best friend (an idea that connects to CoM). And the Disney worlds at least contributed to that idea in a meaningful way.
“Set in a circus and playing off the story of Pinocchio, a puppet with a heart, and the Nobodies who possess no heart, we planned for a sad episode with Roxas and Xion looking for hope for themselves”.
I would have preferred Prankster’s Paradise as a world, though, instead of, say, Halloween Town. It sounds like Roxas and Xion would have developed more in that world and it would have been more relevant to the story. Plus, it would have been new. But I think Days did a decent enough job with the Disney worlds. At least Roxas learned something new when he went to them, spurring on interesting discussions with Axel about friendship, love, the heart, etc.
KHBBS
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Bagheera: It was bound to happen. Mowgli is where he belongs now.
Three new characters. In each world, the character learned something new and developed slightly. The worlds were mostly new, too. I don’t have a problem with BBS’s Disney worlds. I do wish they would have kept the Jungle Book worlds in, though.
“Riku… Do you think Nobodies have a home? Somewhere we belong?” Naminé wondered.
Having a home, somewhere to belong, was one of the main themes of the Xehanort Saga.
Master Xehanort: Darkness that you channeled.
Terra: No, I succumbed to it. Just like when I stole Princess Aurora’s heart of light. I can never return home now. I’m a failure.
Terra felt like a failure, and that he could never return home. And Aqua was tasked with bringing Ven home. This world could have been really good in BBS.
Coded
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Mickey: Yen Sid… I think we’re finally close to figuring out where Ven’s heart is.
Here’s where things start going off the rails. In Coded, Disney worlds are yet again retreads of KH1, only this time they’re data instead of memories. The whole purpose of the plot was to explain why Mickey sent Sora, Riku, and Kairi that letter at the end of KH2. But you didn’t really need a whole game of travelling through virtual Disney worlds for that, especially involving convoluted ideas like data Namine implanting bug blocks in the journal or Jiminy’s Journal embodying itself as Riku (WTF?). You could have just added a scene into KH2FM+ like the above one from the manga. When Mickey saw the photo of Roxas, he recognized him as Ventus. Then he tells Master Yen Sid about it later, leading to Coded’s ending and him writing the letter. 
KHUX
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Ephemer: The worlds we visit—the worlds of fairy tales—are nothing more than holograms. You know, projections. The light we collect there is actually this world’s light. To put it simply: There are lots of worlds, right? And they’re all connected by land. But it’s impossible to go around all of them. That’s why there’s a mechanism that projects those worlds here and allows us to collect Lux from faraway lands. I’m gathering information, trying to figure out how the whole thing works. My hunch is that the Book of Prophecies held by the Foretellers is what’s creating these holograms.
The Disney worlds were extremely boring to play through. More than any other KH game, they have scenes that are just copy/pasted straight from the movies. Your main character, since they are mute, has little involvement. They do not grow, change, or develop, after any of these worlds. They have nothing interesting to say and they can barely interact with anyone (Chirithy does it for you). 
And all, except for Wreck-It-Ralph, are just retreads of plots that we already experienced in other games. The worlds are digital holograms of the future generated from the Book of Prophecies. It’s all a VERY convoluted excuse to have you play through the same old plots from the Disney worlds. AGAIN. Only with a FAR less interesting main character. Since this was supposed to be just a F2P gacha with little story, it could have been excused. But since KHUX has become so important to the main story, it is inexcusable how poor of a game it is.
KH3D
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Sora: I get it now. After this, Pinocchio and Jiminy’s world gets dragged into darkness, and they end up cast into the sea between worlds, along with Monstro. And then…they end up in Traverse Town, and the belly of the whale. That’s when we meet for real. It’s like Master Yen Sid said–I’m in the dream Pinocchio’s world is dreaming. And that world will never be right again until it wakes from sleep.
I don’t have any real issue with a game focusing on the mark of mastery exam, where Sora and Riku travel through Disney worlds. Riku develops along the way in a satisfying way. It’s the first time you actually go to new worlds as him. The test was for Sora and Riku to acquire the power of waking, so they had to go to dream worlds. Fantasia was perfect for this idea.
But the concept of Sleeping Worlds is convoluted and confusing. They’re dream versions of the worlds? Who is dreaming them? The Dandelions? They’re stuck in a time loop of the past? But visiting the Sleeping Worlds doesn’t rewrite the present. So, are they connected to the datascape? Again, it’s so convoluted, because there really is no reason that Sora and Riku would have to go on another adventure in the REAL world. Again, I would have preferred Prankster’s Paradise in Days. Pinocchio would be a human, it’d be set in the present timeline so no awkward dialogue, and Honest John and Gideon would be involved, giving it more of a plot.
KH3
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The game’s worlds could have been okay if Sora wasn’t just wandering about aimlessly. And if they had developed the power of waking better. The power of waking is essentially the power to wake a sleeping heart by connecting with it. It’s the power of love, basically. Most of the Disney worlds are about love. And also, a member of the organization appears in each one.
Dark Road
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In BBS, it’s revealed that Xehanort wants to open KH to create a new world. But in KH3, he wants to reset the world. How is this different?
Nomura: The most essential part is that he thinks the current world is a failure, and wants to remake it.
I’m interested to know why Xehanort came to think that way (that the world should be remade).
Nomura: Initially, I wanted to dive deeper into the naive, untainted Xehanort who we see playing chess in the next installment (before KH3 was made), but if I did that, the dark seeker arc wouldn’t have ended (lol), so I decided to shelve it for now.
Wonderland is the only Disney world that has had a plot so far. But this was still the most interesting usage of Wonderland in the series, IMO.
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Envy (Latin, invidia): Invi Gluttony (Latin, gula): Gula Lust (Latin, luxuria): Luxu. Anger, or Wrath (Latin, ira): Ira Greed, or Avarice (Latin, avaritia): Ava Sloth, or Laziness (Latin, acedia): Aced
The Foretellers are named after the seven deadly sins.
Nomura: As I was writing the scenario for Kingdom Hearts Back Cover, I was careful so as to make each character look neither like a hero nor a villain, however in the end it seems that only Ava was received as a good girl (laughs). At any rate, if you think of the story progression as a gun, where Ava is the only one with the capacity to pull that gun’s trigger, I’m not so sure about how devoid of sin she really is…
I think there were a lot of parallels between the age of fairytales and the Book of Genesis.
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Pride (Latin: superbia) is considered, on almost every list, the original and most serious of the seven deadly sins. Out of the seven, it is the most angelical, or demonic. It is also thought to be the source of the other capital sins.
The MoM is probably really Darkness, the original sin, Superbia. And Xehanort has his Keyblade, becoming his successor. Pride was his deadly sin. He could never admit that he lost to Eraqus at chess because of his pride. In the Bible, the source of sin was the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the Garden of Eden. After acquiring knowledge of good and evil, he developed a god complex. Pride is the ultimate sin, where all the other sins originate from.
I need only play the role of a fool desirous of the Keyblade’s power.
Luxu is lust and Braig lusted for Xehanort’s power (as Luxu probably did with the MoM). The story in Dark Road is actually interesting. Xehanort is a FAR more interesting protagonist that the Avatar in Union X. As a wielder in training, he actually has a good reason to travel the worlds, and develops as a character along the way. I think Dark Road deserved to be its own real KH game, released on the Vita or 3DS a long time ago. It’s a shame it’s only a mobile game.
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Anger is manifested in the individual who spurns love and opts instead for fury. It is also known as Wrath.
Pride is excessive belief in one’s own abilities, that interferes with the individual’s recognition of the grace of God. It has been called the sin from which all others arise. Pride is also known as Vanity.
Envy is the desire for others’ traits, status, abilities, or situation.
Gluttony is an inordinate desire to consume more than that which one requires.
Lust is an inordinate craving for the pleasures of the body.
Greed is the desire for material wealth or gain, ignoring the realm of the spiritual. It is also called Avarice or Covetousness.
Sloth is the avoidance of physical or spiritual work.
The story of Dark Road will likely be Xehanort encountering the seven deadly sins as manifested in Disney villains and coming to the conclusion that the world is too corrupt and needs to be reset. That is actually a decent enough plot and good justification for travelling through the Disney worlds. It’d be cool if they added new worlds. Maybe like Pocahontas, and Governor Radcliffe could be Greed, etc.
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ultraericthered · 4 years
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This post made it dawn on me that the whole “Reconnect. Kingdom Hearts” thing that has been consistently popping up in KH games ever since the secret ending of BBS? That’s the title of Nomura’s great big KH fanfiction epic - what he calls the “Dark Seeker Saga” and also the titles that come before and after that saga are actually just a fever dream-induced Magnum Opus of Clusterfucks that he’s pushed onto an existing Disney-Square Enix joint property that he directed and made concepts for. “Reconnect” is Nomura’s licensed KH fanfiction that he eviscerated and recontextualized the KH canon and series narrative as it was by 2007 into becoming so that he could have full control over the story and have his way with it however he so chose to depending on how he feels like at the time, which persists to this day. It’s not true, pure Kingdom Hearts anymore.
So we’ve got the story of Kingdom Hearts as it was prior to Nomura making his “Reconnect” mega fic a thing, and the story of said mega fic that makes up a bunch of new bullshit that it lumps the original KH story in with ‘cause hey, wouldn’t that be awesome and surprising and oh so profound and complex? (No, not really - it’s as generic Shonen manga/anime writing as it gets). And as you can clearly see, one story is simpler yet deeper and more cohesive than the other. Kingdom Hearts tells a full narrative with a beginning, middle, and end across three games, and the bottom three entries serve as side material (”Appendix material” if you will) that is useful to know for enhancing your knowledge of certain elements and enriching the saga and your experience with it, but they’re not REQUIRED for following the story. You don’t absolutely NEED to delve into them in order to understand the core narrative of the trilogy - Hell, one of them is literally a fairy tale that’s only very loosely based on true canonical events! Reconnect, meanwhile, tells an overly lengthy narrative across multiple games where so many story elements, characters, and plot points stretch on well past their welcome, it’s filled to the brim with plot holes, story and character inconsistencies, backwards momentum, massive retcons of previously established canon, tonal whiplash, convoluted lore, and carrot-on-string narrative hooks that ultimately lead nowhere satisfying, and the story details and events in seemingly supplementary material and spinoff titles ARE absolutely required to know in order to understand the core narrative and follow the ongoing story properly - there’s no Appendix material here. Everything connects, it all matters to the seemingly endless and insufferably self-indulgent KH original storyline.
As result, Kingdom Hearts feels authentic, while Reconnect does not. And this is why people like I, @themattress, @khtrinityftw, @crossoverheaven, and so many others shall continue to celebrate the former while leaving the latter to the wayside where it belongs.
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