#i acknowledge that Dean was a victim of abuse who continues the cycle and that what happens sometimes

[halfblood-princes-crown]

I saw the supernatural post you made and I couldn't help but think that Snape would hate the Winchesters. The way they hunt down anything that isn't like them in nature to kill it would remind him of Voldemort. Thoughts?

Anon, you just started me on my bullshit

Ok ok!

That’s a good comparison! I like where your heads at. I was thinking more along the lines of he’d notice how different they were

Right off the bat of meeting, think about first impressions: Dean is shoot first ask questions later. A wizard? Time to die mf. Sam on the other hand is like “Wait, he hasn’t done anything! Let’s just talk to him and figure out what’s going on”

Right off the bat, Dean is not in Snapes favor, but Snape isn’t up Sams ass either. It takes a lot more than patience to impress our bat bitch

When Dean finally does agree to talk, what do we all know comes next? A self righteous, snarky remark. Strike mf two. Meanwhile Sam looks annoyed or mildly uncomfortable with whatever Dean said because they are, in fact, standing in front of someone who could kill them in one word. Literally. Now he’s trying to change the subject and ask what’s going on and the standard “making sure you aren’t a threat” questions. Snape is a double spy, he can read body language. Sam does not approve of his brothers behavior…but he hasn’t said anything about it either

Give or take 30 minutes to an hour, what’s the next thing Snape is gonna notice? Deans attitude towards Sam

Do you see where I’m going with this?

He’s going to compare Dean to Sirius black (derogatory). I said what I said.

One would think “Sam is Regulus then?” Nope. He’s Remus.

THINK ABOUT IT!

Sam has demon blood in his veins and is outcasted and shamed for it, even by people who are close to him. Sam has been putting up with Deans sideways remarks and straight up abuse for how long? He makes excuses for Dean and when he DOES stand up for himself, he always apologizes or feels guilty about it. Remus and his lycanthropy! We saw in the books how they made sideways jokes about it. Joking about the full moon and shit. Then we have to remember “The Prank”

Sam sees how overly violent Dean is about hunting, he also sees how unfair and cruel he is. He ALSO sees how that unfairness and cruelty extends to friends. And while Sam actually does say something, he never says enough, and usually makes at least one excuse for Dean…Remus “Bystander” Lupin!

Sam was told that he was someone’s weapon at least twice in the show (Yellow eyes and Lucifer). I mean that sounds a lot like how werewolf!Remus was used as a weapon to almost kill Severus in “The Prank”. Just saying.

Severus knows all too well that a person’s intentions don’t always match their actions, so I don’t think he’d judge them for hunting, but he will notice the INTENTIONS. Dean hunts for sport and Sam hunts to save people. Difference.

Dean Winchester would trigger the fuck out of Severus Snape

#do I dare tag this spn related? #nah #if y’all couldn’t tell…I’m anti Dean #hopefully this doesn’t find a Dean stan. I hate debating with them 🤣 #the always pull a *You can’t like Snape and hate Dean! according to your logic Dean acts like that because of trauma!* #Well according to your logic all Dean Stan’s should also be Snape Stan’s but we both know that’s not true and let’s look at why #Deans attractive #that’s the only logical explanation #i acknowledge that Dean was a victim of abuse who continues the cycle and that what happens sometimes #but unlike Snape Dean had a support system of people who tried to help him stop that cycle and he refused all kinds of help #he only apologized when it was presumably too late to do so #Snape had no support system whatsoever #no help. no shoulder to lean on. no listening ears. nada #and Snape was nowhere near Dean #At least Snape wasn’t checking out the seventh years like Dean checks out seniors in high school #let’s talk about that #and people love to call Snape racist but let’s remember #he risked his life to defeat the “racist” side #Dean killed anything that wasn’t human JUST because it wasn’t human #with the exception of anything that could benefit him #but once it wasn’t of use anymore. he wanted them dead #I can go on #severus snape #pro severus snape #pro snape #snape community #hp crossover #hp au

[wheres-sam]

This is Dean’s go to justification any time killing a human comes into question. Stripping them of their personhood, reducing them to something less than human to, in good conscience, put a bullet in their head. Which Sam has protested every time so far. “He’s a person. We can talk to him.”

The irony is almost all of the creatures the Winchesters have faced thus far could be talked to, I believe. Almost all of the creatures began human or are products of humanity, and almost all of them seem to have feelings. They’re hurt. They have unfinished business. They have a reason for what they do, a story that the Winchesters work to figure out. But rarely do they use that story to communicate.

Usually the assumption is like the one Dean has here: this thing is killing innocent people and it won’t stop, when—well, how do you know it’s not going to stop unless you ask? Maybe it just needs help. I guess that sounds silly, not nearly as cool as gun fights—I’m not saying the supernatural hunting business should become the supernatural therapy business...Actually. Putting empathy and understanding before violence, why is that a bad thing? Why wouldn’t that be a good direction to go in instead of following in your father’s bloody footsteps?

And Sam is the character that most gets this so far, that tells Dean to hold your fire. That’s mom’s spirit. Those ghosts are trying to tell us something. We can break this spell without anyone having to die. We can talk to this troubled kid. There’s another way. A better way. And with Sam having psychic powers/a connection to the supernatural, there was really a golden opportunity to expand on this, to utilize communication and compassion before violence in encounters with the scary unknown.

Of course, it’s not always going to work. There are some people/creatures/spirits that have chosen violence and won’t be persuaded out of it, but like. Imagine how differently Bloody Mary could’ve gone if, after learning Mary was murdered, the boys acknowledged her pain when they summoned her. What that man did to her was awful, and she has a right to be upset about it, but taking that pain out on people who weren’t involved, didn’t hurt her, what does that accomplish? What does that do for her? It just hurts people and hurts HER because we know she feels guilt over the people she’s killed based on how being faced with her own reflection is what destroys her. Maybe her spirit could’ve moved on, found rest, instead of being destroyed if she let this anger go.

Maybe lashing out is just someone saying they want their pain acknowledged. Would Skin have played out any differently if Sam, while captured, ever asked the shapeshifter why? Why does it take other people’s forms? Does it have to? Is it uncomfortable in its own skin? And we know it is, because it says so. It tells Sam’s friend, Rebecca, that it was born different and hated for its appearence, so it started looking like other people instead. And eventually just, became them. Replaced them. To have a place in society. It craves love and acceptance.

These creatures are given complexity in canon. Sam and those other babies being fed demon blood against their will is awful. It never should’ve happened. But it’s definitely created a bridge between the supernatural and mundane where there previously was none. It inspires sympathy more readily out of Sam—and by extension Dean—for supernatural creatures John raised them to shoot on sight. A reluctance to see these things as evil, a desire to understand. It would’ve been cool to see more of that in canon.

Especially because, like I said before, almost all of these creatures are products of humanity. When we wrong each other. Hurt each other. Act in greed or violence. Vengeful spirits are victims of murder, abuse, rape. Wendigos are humans that craved immortality. The shapeshifter was rejected by humankind like the Creature in Frankenstein. The reaper was forced to take innocent lives by a human keeping it prisoner. That town in Indiana chose to sacrifice people to keep their crops thriving. Some creatures exist just because we believe they do. We create our own monsters.

In Supernatural, demons are created when a person’s humanity is burned away through torture. Until the tortured becomes the torturer. The victim becomes the abuser. Demons create more demons. The cycle of violence is unending in Hell. It doesn’t have to be on Earth. Doesn’t it say something that being punished in Hell only makes bad people worse? Anyway. I think Sam should’ve used his powers to connect with the supernatural more the way he reaches out to troubled living/human-like characters like Max here, continuing that, “I think I’m here to help you” theme. Both Winchesters altering how the family business is done by valuing compassion before violence in the end would’ve been profound. Send tweet.

#spn rewatch #supernatural #what if they went into every case with the attitude of ‘i want to help’ instead of ‘i have to kill’ #what if they saw more creatures—most—as people deserving a chance to live or change or be at peace #i guess that doesn’t jive with the horror movie framing #it’d be deconstructing the horror movie genre actually

[bluephoenixdruidicprincess]

I really feel the same about Dean Winchester. The worst is he doesn't even know.

And there was a time when I could at worst tolerate him and at best kind of sort of be okay with him. But now, it’s just gotten to the point where seeing him on the screen at best irritates me and at worst makes me emotionally sick.

And it kills me that Dean doesn’t even see or acknowledge any of these faults but I suppose that’s a tell-tale sign of an abuser, right? They don’t necessarily view themselves as abusers, instead they see it as everyone else abusing them therefore their treatment of those around them is justified in their eyes.

But for me, the problems with Dean actually go deeper than just Dean not aknowledging or understanding how he hurts the people around him…it’s that the writers don’t even treat it like that. They will bend over backwards using the story to justify Dean’s actions and make it seem like Dean is justified and the “good guy” in all of this. Now, it’s possible this could all just be a part of a long-form story arc where finally in season 15, everything is going to come to a head and Dean is at last going to understand the error of his ways and what he’s been doing to the people he supposedly loves is wrong but at this point, if the writers did that, it would feel disingenuous to me. At this point, they’ve done too little too late. If we were were going to go with this long-form story arc with Dean where his entire arc leads to him not being an abusive person…they’ve done way too much to write him as an abuser and just in general abusive behavior is not okay and really, shouldn’t be forgiven so easily. I mean, definitely there are things Dean has said and done that I don’t think should ever be forgiven before and the whole idea that somehow, someway, Dean is going to make up for it at some point in season 15 feels disingenuous to Dean’s character, to the other characters who have been abused by him and to all the real-life victims of domestic abuse out there. I still follow some destiel blogs and a few of them are still talking about this long-form character arc Dean is supposedly in and some of them even view as what’s going on with Dean and Cas as some type of “domestic dispute” and not what it actually is – someone realizing he is an abusive relationship and thought about running away but chose to stay because he felt it was for the greater good (it’s like a domestic abuse victim choosing to stay with their abuser for the sake of their children). And if some big epiphany happens with Dean and he comes to terms with his shitty behavior, I don’t think I could accept it. Particularly in the wake of Melissa Benoist publicly recounting her experiences with domestic abuse. I just think Dean having that moment and (Chuck forbid) Sam and Cas forgiving him for his behavior is equivalent to spitting in the faces of all the domestic abuse victims out there, it’s kind of making light of their situation to say that if your abuser aknowledges what they did as wrong and ask for your forgiveness then you should forgive them herego allowing the whole entire vicious cycle to continue, allowing that abuse to continue, there are real-life victims out there that suffer through this nightmare every day and I just feel like if the writers do this, it sends a very toxic message about the abuser-victim relationship. Which is why in my post about Dean’s endgame, I feel like the only endgame for him I’d be okay with is him going off on his own and trying to be his own person away from everyone else.

But, this whole Dean having an epiphany idea at the end of the season is something I’m kind of skeptical about happening anyway because that would involve me actually legitimately believing the writers even understanding they’ve written an abusive character and I don’t think they view Dean that way. They are huge Dean Winchester stans, they use the narrative to basically apologize and make Dean feel better for everything while making Sam and Cas feel guilty for their mistakes for seasons on end.

And I basically have no hope for this prayer session Dean is supposedly going to have with Cas. Because at this point, as I’ve said, anything Dean says, whatever his reasons for treating Cas the way he has been, it does not justify the abuse he’s thrown at Cas. At this point, I really don’t care what Dean’s reasons are for it. Abusers have all kinds of reasons for why they abuse, it doesn’t make what they’ve done suddenly okay. Assholes are still assholes no matter what their reasons are and it would be really great if Hollywood would quit trying to romanticize it so much. If I were to read into the Destiel subtext here, I should be finding this romantic but I don’t, I find it deeply disturbing. And I just want Cas and Sam to find their own happiness away from him.

#anti dean winchester