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tangsakura · 2 years

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Just Dinner Tonight?: What You Missed On That Hisoka X Machi Scene [A Dialogue Analysis]

+ mini lessons on Japanese language.

Warnings: if you haven’t read chapter 55 of Hunter x Hunter or watched episode 32 of the anime, then it’s gonna be spoiler so don’t go any further if that's the case; bad grammar; unedited; typos.

Remember reading the last three panels of this page, or seeing those in the anime? That time when Hisoka asked Machi for dinner.

In the official manga and anime translations, they translated these lines as Hisoka asking Machi dinner for the night, but that's not exactly the case. Plus, there’s more implications to his words that had been lost in translation and also difficult to express in English.

In the official raws, he said the following lines, which were also said in the anime:

「ところでどうだい? 今夜♥ 一緒に食事でも........」

Pronounced as: Tokoro de doo dai? Konya issho ni shookuji demo.....

So the first part (excluding 今夜♥) is translated like this, literally:

"Anyways, how about it? (or 'how about this?')"

One thing that I found fascinating here is that his question ended with dai (だい). This ending is usually used in male speech and/or if the question they're asking is directed towards someone they're close with like friends and family (or some sort, whichever makes them be close or comfortable enough with each other) or anyone younger like children. Or when asking a question to someone informally and you’re, implicitly demanding or asking for an answer to the question; may sound rude especially if you’re not close with them (unless you’re intentionally rude or indicating you’re not close to them).

I don’t think the purpose of this question is the latter, but the former. For him to use this is like, well for me, breaking a bit of his mask. Showing us how close they are, or at least how much he trusts her. Maybe it's the part of him that wants to deepen their relationship that's peeking through the cracks. Whatever it is, their relationship is clearly not just a shallow, typical give-and-take one. At least, in my opinion, to Hisoka's POV.

Also, I find it funny that in this short scene, he's talking in a more masculine way. I've said before in my Hisoka meta analysis that he speaks in masculine language, but it’s not so masculine and it’s much closer to neutral. But when he transitions the subject from the Phantom Troupe stuff to this invitation, he started off strong, in a much more masculine manner than the usual. To think that he’d be more manly in asking her. Because he can just end the sentence with どう and it will still retain the same translation.

Bonus points for the heart. He’s really presenting himself as excited or thrilled for his proposition to her for that night.

(You can take a break here. Resume your reading when you’re ready.)

The words on the second part, just before Machi slammed the door on him, literally translates to:

今夜♥ - tonight ♥

一緒に - together

食事でも - a meal or something

You would’ve heard this by now that Japanese verbs normally goes at the end. Sometimes they are omitted, but those who know Japanese can infer what the ending is based on context.

So if Machi didn’t shut the door on him, the sentence might’ve ended like this.

今夜♥ 一緒に食事でも【しようか? ♥】

今夜♥ 一緒に食事でも【するか? ♥】

It can also end with the same verbs, but without the か and the question mark. The verb can also be conjugated differently, depending on how Hisoka wanted to present himself to her, his mood, or whatever the variables he’s considering that are present in that scene. (obviously the heart will be at the end cuz he ‘likes’ her)

So the possible full literal translation could be:

“Tonight ♥ [Let’s have] a meal together or something.”

“Tonight ♥ [Shall we have] a meal together or something.”

“Tonight ♥ [We should have] a meal together or something.”

And so on and so forth, depending on the verb conjugation.

But the main message is that he’s inviting her “to have dinner or something tonight”. Because of the formatting the translations team has to take into account and also the size of the speech bubbles in the panels, the proofreader and the quality checkers/control people had to make sure to rephrase the translation until they can perfectly fit it inside the bubble as they desired.

So, we get: “How about dinner......?” in a nice format.

They’re not completely wrong. Hisoka did ask Machi to have a meal with him that night, but there’s also implications in that sentence that are lost in translation.

Allow me to explain that “or something” in my full literal translations previously.

So if Hisoka is just asking Machi to have a meal with him tonight, it would look like this instead:

「今夜♥ 一緒に食事を........」(Konya issho ni shookuji o......)

But we have でも beside 食事. でも means ‘but’ in English, but it can also be used as a particle to indicate open options.

So let’s say, you want to ask a friend to go out for a drink at Starbucks, you can say:

「スタバにコーヒーでも飲みに行こうか?」ー Should (or ‘Shall’) we go to Starbucks to drink coffee (or something else).

If you put を instead of でも, you’re only limiting yourselves to having coffee when you go to Starbucks for a drink. By using でも, you are not limiting yourselves to just coffee. If you change your mind or find something better, you can get other drinks like a frappuccino, iced tea, or whatever it is.

So Hisoka is inviting Machi to dinner, but he’s also open to doing other options should any of them find anything better than having a meal or change their mind about eating dinner for the night. Well, if they’re just gonna be in Hisoka’s room the whole night, then there’s just a couple options available to them if they don’t wanna eat....... and we should know what those are by now. And this is where the famous unofficial translation of the scene came from. You know, the translation when Hisoka asked Machi to spend the night with him directly.

What made me laugh with this 「今夜♥ 一緒に食事でも........」is that it’s so indirect. Like we know Hisoka is straightforward. He literally and directly would state his intentions, especially to those he wanted to fight. Unless it would get in his way or something, then he will lie or come up with a white lie. He’s even not scared of doing the taboo, like the infamous r*pe sign he did when he asked Illumi if he could go after Killua to ‘kill’ him.

But this time he was asking it like normal guy to someone he’s in some sort of relationship with.......... Also, he looks like a shy guy asking this type of question, but this might just be me. Like where’s the bold Hisoka I know? Whomst. But then again, that might just be censorship done since it’s a shounen series......

Also this man staring at the door for moments after Machi slammed the door on him...... Poor boy.

Anyways, that’s the end of this analysis post. Let me know what you think of it. I would love to hear your opinions. As usual, I will answer comments or stuff when I am in the mood.

Until next time.

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blog-of-hubris · 2 years

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Hunter x Hunter Chapter 391: Clash Pt 2; The Return of The King.

Intro/Disclaimer:

I know most people who follow this blog either know me from twitter or just have seen my Jujutsu Kaisen Metas, so you may or may not know about my passion for Hunter x Hunter (not to mention my love for Togashi in general), so I just want to fully disclaim that it is my favorite manga of all time and probably my favorite fictional story in any media. The thing about Hunter x Hunter for me that makes it so amazing (to be brief lol) is the structure of the storytelling combined with the world and characters that drive it. So for these metas, you’ll be seeing me talk about all types of random or maybe even irrelevant details to you, but to me- is necessary to my understanding of the story. So with that being said, bare with me... I hope you enjoy.

Straight back to it..

It was obvious from the title of chapter 390 that this chapter would be a direct follow up from where we picked up last with the succession war and it did not disappoint. The three new characters we were introduced to in 390 (Zakuro, Lynch and Hinrigh) were brought into the story in a very cool way and seeing a follow up to their bold introductions was cool but more so because of Hinrigh’s badass ability. However, seeing Zakuro’s blood splatter on the wall crawl away to do recon for him was incredibly creepy yet satisfying to see. Its an interesting way to show the versatility of his ability outside of it hanging out of his neck as an extension of himself. I love how Lynch messing with one of the drops was Togashi’s way of showing what the ability could do, leading Zakuro to mention their span of 30 to 40 minutes. Its those key details and points given through the characters to expand on abilities without narration thats really cool. I love that stuff.

In terms of Hinrigh, I knew he would be very dangerous but the use of his ability is fantastic. First and foremost, he is a very smart guy. Seeing him come to his own (correct) conclusions about the situation with Morena and the rebellion was great. Love how smart HxH characters are, and I love how its flows with the dialogue. On top of that, he uses the cameras to track down the woman that works for Morena, then takes the camera and turns it into a damn cat. A cute ass cat. Then presses record. His ability is so practical, and I am truly curious about the conditions of his ability. Before we saw him use money with New Script on it to turn their guns into snakes, but with the cat he just used his hands. I wonder if the animal/organic object is based on the size of the item he is transforming. The idea of handcuffs being turned into pigeons while flying around like sentinels is very cool. So to me it shows he can control the pigeons’ flight in the direction he chooses, meaning he can control the function of both the organic and inorganic part of the object. A very nasty ability (that I would love to see Chrollo using hehe).

Hinrigh vs Morena’s Soldiers

The fight between Hinrigh and the three Morena soldiers was a one sided battle but it showed multiple things; 1. As established in the previous section, a glimpse to how powerful Hinrigh is, 2. How lackluster and hotheaded Morena’s soldiers can be and 3. There will be an all out war on Tier 3.

I already talked about the first point above, and I want to see more of what Hinrigh can do before breaking down his ability any more. So onto the second point: How lackluster Morena’s soldiers were. Hinrigh pointed out he believed that the killings on the tiers were some sort of training for these new nen users through moron’s power. 23 of them exist so far, and we just formally met 6 of them total. The first guy’s ability was a very weak willed conjurer ability.

Henrigh even pointed in out when the guy initially attacked, and I love that because it reflects how ignorant these people are to nen. No proper teaching, no principles Their levels reflected this as well, but I still found it astonishing to see. It makes me wonder how many are in the higher levels and just how strong they are. Will we run into some naturally talented people who have really crazy abilities? I do hope so, because I would like to see how dangerous Moron’s people can get.

The third point is the war on Tier 3. If you have forgotten, this is the Tier Morena is on and also the Tier where Leorio and the doctors are stationed at. Since the Heil-ly family vs Xi-yu is the surface of this conflict with the spiders following right behind, I can guarantee Tier 3 is about to become a pure battlefield. The way Hinrigh was attacked in front of regular civilians is the proof that the Heil-ly do not care about their surroundings. They want blood and they are going for it, but since Morena is backed by the fourth prince, I am sure he will hear about whats going on and might try to enter the fray to test out his newly learned Nen skills. Not to mention if Hisoka IS on this Tier.. will Hinrigh find him first? I honestly hope so because I would LOVE to see that fight. My money is on Hinrigh (lol). OR maybe Zakuro and Lynch will find him first, but I feel like Hinrigh will be the one to do so, if he doesn't have his hands full chasing down “that woman”.

About Hinrigh’s ability specifically, I need to see just how crazy and technical he is going to get with his ability. Thats another reason why I would like to see him fight Hisoka, or even Chrollo honestly. Hinrigh’s boss (Onior Longboa) is trying to keep the spiders in check by making them wait until Hinrigh can find Hisoka first and I hope that backfires and we see Hinrigh fight Chrollo and get his ability stolen. Thats one of the things we never seen Chrollo do while in battle so if he finds a way to steal Hinrigh’s technique while fighting I would be on top of the world.

(I could go into a break down about the guy Hinrigh killed but I honestly don't want to give him my energy lol, I believe his purpose was to show how mentally screwed Morena’s men are, simple as that.)

Waiting for more...

This chapter was a nice action chapter with a little dialogue to remind readers where we are in this part of the arc. It was perfect because it did not bombard people with information and people could enjoy the action. I think the rest of this “mafia war” will be just like this, but with certain chapters holding more relevant plot/lore info than others.

I hope we get a lot of action in this batch of chapters. This is just the beginning of some crazy plot points about to unfold on the boat and I am more than ready for it. Lets see what crazy plot pieces Togashi will bring to us!

HUNTER x HUNTER IS BACK!!

#Hunter X Hunter #hunter x hunter meta #hxh 391 #hxh manga #hxh chapter 391 #dh🍵#hinrigh #Togashi

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killhadrian · 2 years

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^ random but I’ve thought about this and I think it would be pretty metal if it was bone.

like clearly illumi can handle enough pain that if he broke a leg bad enough and the bone was exposed, why not take a shard and make it an organic needle kind of thing? like a quill or something … bet the nen on that would be strong as hell, def enough to control killua in such an intense and long term way like it did. plus as an organic material it would get through the NGL sensors…

#Illumi #Killua #nen #hunter x hunter meta #does that count?#¯\_(ツ)_/¯#hunter x hunter #just saying #someone has probably said this already #op #hxh

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iwritenarrativesandstuff · 2 months

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This entire scene emotionally destroyed me but there's one part in particular that was like taking a knife to an already open wound.

So, Gon shuts down after the reveal that Kite was dead all along and his stunned and racing mind is disjointed and contradictory. Most of his statements fit into roughly three categories of desperate thoughts:

Vehement inability to process that Kite is dead. From the statement being repeated multiple times to the amount of "no"s everywhere on these pages.

Taking the blame for Kite's death, in a frankly horrifying show of self-hatred (especially given the context of what comes next).

Blaming Pitou and proclaiming that he "didn't do it" in an attempt to absolve the weight of his guilt.

Heartbreaking. But there's one thought here that's a bit different.

Throughout all of this, Gon has been adamant that Kite, and by extension the situation, can be "fixed" - after all, most every issue that's come up before on his adventures could be resolved nicely. But now, suddenly, it can't. Gon can't stand feeling powerless or helpless, and now he finds himself more helpless than he's ever been. And we get this.

"Somebody help me."

Gon is independent. Gon has a burning need to prove his worth through his own strength. Gon has a bad habit of equating "taking responsibility" with fixing things all by himself and rejecting help from others.

Gon has never pleaded for someone to save him before.

And it's just. Holy shit. Holy shit - he's a kid. He's just a kid. And in just a few pages, he's going to make a despair-fueled decision to throw away his life just to regain any semblance of power over a situation that was doomed to be unfixable from the start. He says, "Let it end. I don't care what happens to me now.", because this is the only way he can think of to make his pain and his guilt and Pitou all just stop, by losing himself to all of his power instead of his grief.

#hi. i'm sad and i decided to make it everyone else's problem.#i know i'm stating the obvious here but. ah well. i did say i was here to share the sadness #storyrambles #hxh #hunter x hunter #gon freecss #thank goodness a certain best friend of his actually did show up to help him huh...?#killua as always snapping him out of his own darkness...#hxh meta #<- does it count #omg should i use my analysis tag? i'm gonna.#call me ace detective the way i am ace. and also a detective #hxh spoilers

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i-heart-hxh · 7 months

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So, a few days ago I found this post on Reddit from 2 years ago (that sadly barely got any attention at the time) that sheds a ton of light on the separation scene between Gon and Killua, and my mind is blown! I've known for years that there was some sort of Togashi "coding" in the dialogue and it was always like I could get halfway to understanding, but this post gives the rest of the puzzle pieces that I was missing, and ties into other scenes that I was uncertain about the meaning of as well. It's heartbreaking, but also hopeful for their future! I had to share it with you all. Please read it!

The original Reddit post has been deleted, but here is a link to the author's Reddit profile. (I received permission from the original author to post this here.)

In-Depth analysis on the Hidden Reasons behind Gon & Killua's separation scene (ep 147) Why Gon is 'Number 2'

The translations across the separation scene in both manga (chp 338) and the anime (ep 147, 2011) have some shortfalls. These dialogues are vital for understanding even the first layer of reasons behind this separation.

REASONS FOR KILLUA'S DELICATELY PLANNED SEPARATION

1. WHEN -

There are very important reasons why Killua picked a specific timing to tell Gon about Alluka. It was Killua's plan all along, to only tell Gon at a moment's notice, to make sure Gon won’t get time to ask any DETAILS. He is deliberately downplaying the seriousness of everything he’s been through to heal Gon, so it will have less impact on Gon, and at the same time, avoid Gon asking details. Prior to healing Gon, Killua specifically asked Morel and Leorio to promise not to tell Gon that he saved him. After Gon was healed, there was a scene in the anime (ep 148) which showed the three spent a night together before reaching the World Tree. During that time, Killua still haven't said anything. It wasn't until the moment when they were literally saying the last goodbye, Killua casually brought up:

“Oh, by the way, this guy healed you."

I want to emphasis the word Killua used to address Alluka was “こいつ”. This is a very light and overly casual word used to address someone you know, and usually a playful guy friend (e.g. “This guy used to be my neighbour.” type of feeling). The manga and anime translation, “She’s the one that healed you,” did not clearly depict the intentional casualness.

2. WHAT was SAID -

If Killua just doesn’t want to burden Gon with guilt and responsibility, then why not just keep his mouth shut and say nothing? That’s because Killua found a better option than not telling Gon anything. Killua shifted the “priority of reasons” a bit, so the VERSION OF EVENTS he told Gon, was PRIORITIZED on Alluka’s rescue rather than healing Gon. This way, they will also get to THANK Gon, and put an emphasis on thanking Gon because Killua make it SEEMED like it was more important to rescue Alluka, that the INITIAL REASON for Killua to go home, was to rescue Alluka. Only AFTER Alluka was freed, they came to the hospital to heal Gon, out of convenience, since only Alluka has the ability to do so, and since she’s now outside. The MAIN motive for these past events has been delicately swapped around by Killua, so the focus switched to the rescue of Alluka, rather than healing Gon. Hence Alluka is “No. 1”, Gon is “No. 2”. Downplaying it so healing Gon was just a bonus convenience (ep 147, 19:12 to 19:51).

Killua then goes on another level to make this version of events seem even more realistic, by saying “….You owe me a lot now,” in a teasing and playful tone of voice. This is to again, downplay the seriousness of everything he’s been through, to comfort Gon that "Yes you owe me one now, but don’t you worry! I will make sure you pay it back okay?! Hehe!”

3. WHY -

The fight with Pitou allowed Killua to witness Gon's ultimately immature mind set when it comes to “repaying someone, and redeeming himself.” Kite lost an arm and his life to protect him. So Gon gave his life and was even more happy when Pitou took his arm too. Gon will always want to “match” what was sacrificed by another, by throwing away AT LEAST the same. Not “sacrificing”, but THROWING AWAY. It’s so immature, so dangerous, no one will be able to keep up with him. Killua was very confident with how much he could take, but even Killua himself is at limit. This ultimate baka!! (ep 136, 17:50 - 20:17)

If this is how far Gon will go for Kite, he can only imagine what Gon would go recklessly into if he knew the DETAILS. This is when Killua decided on a way to part with Gon the way they did, and to PROVIDE him a particular REASON.

“I’m prepared to spent the rest of my life protecting her.”

This is the reason Killua wants Gon to know, but NOT what he actually wants to do with his life. Although it’s true he feels responsible and genuinely wish to protect Alluka and Nanika, but it’s not what he ultimately WANTS to do. He NEEDS to protect Alluka, but he WANTS to spent his entire life by the side of a certain baka…

After the previous events, Killua was traumatized, especially when he saw Gon's twisted decaying arm. That was a breaking point for him, after that, the only thing that matters THE MOST for him is for Gon to be safe. He also realized that in order to protect this baka... it’s better if he keeps a distance for now, until he finds a solution to keep Alluka safe from Illumi and his family.

4. THE PARTING -

By planning this parting with Gon, Killua hopes Gon will become detached from him. And that time and distance will slowly render him less important to Gon. So if he was to die... (because Illumi is hunting them down) he did for Alluka, he did it for the vow to protect Alluka, not Gon. We knew Killua always plans ahead, and here, he plants this reason for Gon in the future so he won’t need to feel responsible if he was to die protecting Alluka (or die with Alluka while Illumi is hunting them). This is what’s going through Killua’s head:

“If I die, you’re not responsible for anything. You don’t owe me anything, so NEVER throw your life away again. My only one wish, is for you to be safe. So here I am. I’m parting ways with you... Because I SAID you are only ... No. 2 ... I SAID you are not the most important to me.. So don’t think of me as the most important to you too….”

This, is Killua’s eternal Devotion.

5. THE RESULT -

As a result of this deliberate planning by Killua,

Gon was made to believe:

While I was recovering in hospital Killua had to go home and rescue his sister

Alluka is such a cute sister and she can grant Killua any wish?!!! Wow…that’s one cool sister…

Well… no wonder Killua thinks his cool sister is more important than me, it’s only natural.

Looks like Killua finally found what he wants to do. He will enjoy traveling the world with such a cool sister, it will be so much fun. I should be happy for him, I can’t hold him here... I have to let him go…

The DETAILS omitted:

Gon was not recovering at all in the hospital. Killua RESORTED to USE Alluka in order to heal Gon.

Alluka’s blood stained dark past and the risks and uncertainty that still involves.

Baka Gon is always No. 1 !

Killua and Alluka are desperately trying to find a way to out of Illumi’s grasp. Illumi is hunting them down and trying to make Killua his puppet again. And this time it's not going to be just a needle in the head... Killua can feel it. And if things doesn’t work out, he will just kill Alluka.

These Reasons are the core of the separation. We have a song named “Reason”… aren’t the lyrics shedding a new layer of light now?

6. IMPORTANT WORDS ALLUKA USED TO FACILITATE A BETTER RELATIONSHIP AFTER REUNION -

Killua promised to “always be together” with Alluka.

But to this promise, Alluka’s response was always silent (episode 145, 3:32 to 4:19). She looked at Killua with deep thought. Because even in such a short amount of time, she realized Killua is doing all this to ALSO or MORE SO protect Gon. It was never just for her, it will never be just for her, and there will never be anyone more important than Gon for Killua. She’s moved by Killua’s devotion and resolve, and she can also feel his sadness…

If, the situation was different, if Gon was never there to begin with, and Killua just happened to solely come to Alluka’s rescue, and then make a promise to stay together with her forever, Alluka’s natural reaction will be melting with happiness, she’d be crying tears of joy, and hugging Killua. But in this instance, she was composed, she sensed her brother’s deep seriousness and sadness. That’s why later on, she reassured the two at parting, that they will see each other again, without disclosing Killua’s true REASONS.

The Exacted words Alluka used (Manga chpt 338, 2011 anime epi 147)

a. Manga translation: “I’m going to HUG my brother for a while and then I will LET HIM GO.”

b. Better translation: “I’m going to have my brother all to myself for a while and then I will let him free.”

c. The exacted phrase: “I’m going to Monopolise my brother Exclusively for a period of time, then I will Release him.”

独り占 (Monopolise Exclusively)

Very strong characters with Explicit meaning. Have it all to oneself. Same characters and meaning used in Chinese as well. （独占）

解放 (Release)

This is much more formal and serious than “let go”. It implies the subject was initially bound/locked/restricted. Also the same characters and meaning used in Chinese.

Alluka employed these words to imply a forceful lead in this “deal” of owning Killua exclusively. These words have an underlying tone of enslavement.

Why? Because Alluka knows, the harder she IMPOSES herself on Killua during their time together, the more effective it would be on the easing of Killua’s own guilt.

Killua felt immensely guilty.

No one will enjoy a relationship bound by guilt.

Alluka knows clearly that part of her brother’s promise, was formed with guilt, from using her and Nanika, that he was having fun with Gon while Alluka was literally forgotten. Although it's true that this was largely due to Illumi's manipulation, but the fact that he did just left her in the basement all this time was both unacceptable and unforgivable to Killua himself (episode 138, 13:28).

Therefore apart from protecting Gon, this was the other important reason for this separation. Almost as if Killua has accepted this as a befitting price to pay in order to redeem himself as a brother.

Alluka and Nanika have no condition nor demand in return for Killua’s requests. But Killua imposed a price on himself for having Gon healed. Out of guilt. Alluka knows, Nanika knows. That’s why Alluka used the word 解放 (release), because it will make Killua feel better, that he has complied with her ‘enslavement’, so when the time comes, Killua will be able to release HIMSELF from guilt, and go back to Gon, properly. Alluka loves her brother, and she’s prepared to help him towards a better relationship with Gon in the future, by helping him to eliminating this chain of guilt.

lol Alluka totally ships Gon and Killua ! XD

Thank you for reading.

#hunter x hunter #hxh #killugon #gonkillu #gon #killua #alluka #meta #PLEASE read this post if you have lingering questions and confusion about the separation!#like most of us do!#I think it's incredibly helpful and explains so much #having this makes a big difference to me in how I interpret the meaning and reasons for the separation #and what Togashi did and did not tell us with it

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motheta · 2 months

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i think about this shit everyday god i love togashi

#i go absolutely balls off the wall feral for this shit #hunter x hunter #yu yu hakusho #yoshihiro togashi #killugon #killua zoldyck #gon freecss #shinobu sensui #itsuki yyh #killugon meta #sensui and itsuki are just toxic fucked up killugon

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justxtalking · 10 months

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all the times gon showed affection, interest, care and basically relied on killua

Did I search all the times Gon explicitively expressed his affection to Killua? Yes, yes I did. Do I regret it? No, no I don't.

I decided to choose the manga since it's what Togashi wrote. However, it is important to note that there are a lot of more times if we add both versions of the anime and the movies. In addition to this, I chose the most explicit times in which Gon expressed himself so there is no misunderstanding. (Though I do think it's basically the whole manga.)

This post is hella long and had to be divided into parts, so bear with me. This is just the beginning. (Edit: Here's the link of the full post.)

Hunter Exam arc

When they first met and Gon was impressed by Killua's trick.

2. Gon happy to be with Killua and to explore with him.

3. Gon's interest in Killua's family, and surprising Killua in the process.

4. Gon being impressed by Killua's technique, curious about it and expressing "Killua is an amazing guy."

5. Gon defending Killua against Illumi and seeing right through the situation.

6. Gon swearing to take Killua away from Illumi.

Zoldyck Family arc

7. Gon's refusal for the Zoldyck's intent on separating themselves from the rest of the world and more than ready to climb the wall if it is to reach Killua.

8. Gon's phonecall with Gotoh.

9. Gon's intent on climbing up the wall to reach Killua.

10. Gon accepts to train if it means he will reach Killua.

11. Gon getting hit over and over again if it means he will reach Killua.

12. Gon playing against Gotoh while waiting for Killua.

13. Gon happy to see Killua again.

14. Gon impressed by Killua's ability to know other's strenghts, and embarrassing Killua in the process.

Heavens Arena arc

15. Gon relying on Killua's advice to win.

16. Gon happy because Killua wanted to go to his house.

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#i felt like this post was needed #yes i kind of got tired of the fandom misinterpreting gon and this was the result #i hope everyone can enjoy this post #i also wanted to add the pictures as proof and tumblr doesn't let me add ALL THE PICTURES in one post so it had to be divided into parts:(#justxtalking #hxh #hxh manga #manga hxh #hunterxhunter #hunter x hunter #killugon #gon freecs #killua zoldyck #hxh gon #hxh killua #gonkillu #hxh meta #im sorry for my followers who will see the process of this post being made

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justxaxbit · 1 year

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I need to talk. I hope I can make myself clear.

Nowadays, I started reading romance again. I've always been a fan. However, my experience now as a hxh fan is finding a lot of romance tropes Togashi used for his work, which is fun! (I feel validated bc I've been saying he uses a lot of romance tropes since the first time I've read his work).

Nonetheless, I wanted to talk about one specific scene: "Gon, you are light". The parallels of light and darkness is commonly used in shonen (and it always ends up being so gay), but something that may happen in romance is the following. The love interest seems to shine in front of the protagonist (and vice versa), and it usually happens when the MC is feeling so much love for the other person for one reason or the other. The emotions are so strong that well, that person seems to be shining because they are so bright. It's a vulnerable moment for the characters.

And I can't stop thinking about that and then this scene.

And since I couldn't stop, I remembered some other times in which Gon must have shone so brightly that Killua had to physically look away (since I'm sure this wasn't the first time it happened, he literally said "sometimes", refering to more than once).

And when are some other times in which Killua physically had to look away?

The "I'm really glad I met you" scene.

The dodgeball scene.

I'm sure there's a lot of more times in which Gon shone. For instance, during Gon and Hanzo's fight. Killua was literally having a whole moment trying to understand what was happening (of course, it adds to the other conflicts that I'm not mentioning).

That scene is kind of a theory of mine (I don't usually see it being talked about), but I do believe it's really important. Some chapters later, we see Killua really excited and talking about that fight to his dad.

And then this scene. Illumi explicitly says that to Killua, Gon is "a radiant presence".

I really love how Togashi wrote this metaphor since the very beginning and how he continued to developed it. And I can't stop thinking about it so now I'm here on Tumblr. I avoided the angst of the Chimera Arc, of course.

#i feel like I'm overthinking a lot but at the same time it makes so much sense in my eyes #hunter x hunter #hxh #hunterxhunter #manga hxh #hxh meta #yoshihiro togashi #killua zoldyck #gon freecs #killugon #hxh killua #hxh gon #hxh 2011 #hxh 1999 #hunter x hunter 1999 #hunter x hunter 2011 #hunterxhunter 2011 #hunterxhunter 1999 #justxtalking

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katoarika · 6 months

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It really bothers me when many killugon shippers want to prove that killugon is canon or just talk about it, all they mention is how much Killua loves Gon and how he looks at him, and so on.

Ofc, Killua's love for Gon is undeniable, but this ship is not one-sided, or you've missed the point entirely. I get that the way the story is told in CAA highlights Killua's feelings more, but HAVE YOU SEEN GON?

I won't even begin to list all the things Gon did for Killua because he loved him. He has been showing his love and affection for Killua since the beginning.

People act as if hxh was all about Killua openly showering Gon with love, and Gon ignoring him and not loving him back. hxh is about their mutual love and devotion to one another, not about unrequited love.

We have just as much evidence of Gon's love for killua as we do of Killua's love for him.

#killugon #hxh #hunter x hunter #Idk why people like to portray gon like that in their relationship #like if you want one sided pining angst go somewhere else #my children love each other #meta

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monsterhugger · 6 months

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illumi and hisoka, pure awful villain love

so. i love illumi and hisoka. I think they’re perfect for each other. I also think they’re more than just a quirky villain couple. it’s not just “he’s killed people but I still love him.” they’re truly the worst of the worst.

by which I mean CW for child abuse and pedophilia. it’s pretty core to their relationship and to this analysis. nothing that isn’t brought up in canon but like, fair warning

first off, i love this interaction between them. the way illumi is just like “i know what you are. anyway not my problem." hisoka isn’t exactly subtle about his feelings for gon so I’m not giving illumi a ton of credit for picking up on it this early in their relationship but it’s telling how easily he jumps over this hurdle.

also makes for a good parallel to this exchange:

when hisoka threatens to “make a move” on killua, illumi reacts so strongly not because he’s disturbed by this side of hisoka but because That’s His Brother. hisoka can have gon but killua is His.

(imo, hisoka definitely doesn’t mean “kill” here. the wording is ambiguous in japanese and can be translated as “kill” or “fuck” but the inclusion of that hand gesture was clearly intentional.)

(both manga and anime cap here bc i like the way it's phrased in the anime lol)

i love how hisoka compares himself to illumi here. like not only is he self-aware abt his obsession with gon, he sees that obsession in illumi's relationship with killua.

illumi’s love for killua is deep. it’s toxic and obsessive and smothering. and hisoka knows this and looks at illumi and goes “we’re not so different, you and I.”

illumi is able to accept hisoka’s proclivities because his upbringing has basically ruined his sense of morality, especially when it comes to child abuse. he likes hisoka because hisoka is useful to him and he doesn’t care about the rest as long as hisoka stays away from his brother.

that’s the other thing abt this that makes illumi so terrifying imo: he’s not completely soulless and unfeeling. his love for killua is REAL. sure it’s a deeply unhealthy and abusive love but it’s love. he truly cares about his little brother, and yet he’s still capable of horrific things. illumi isn’t a monster, he’s a person capable of love with something he wants to protect and he STILL does what he does.

and as for hisoka, i think it gives him some depth too. it’s interesting how self-aware he is, especially considering how blatant he is about his attraction to Gon particularly in the earlier parts of the series. he doesn’t feel remorse for it, but he knows what he’s feeling and doing is wrong (which, imo, makes it scarier).

their relationship is so… idk how to describe it. I guess give and take works. they look at each other and go “you’re a horrible person but who am I to judge?” they’re useful to each other. they like messing with each other just to see what happens. they’ve mutually agreed not to fuck with each other’s favorite 12-year-old boy. they’re both depraved, awful people and they’re meant for each other.

they’re amazing villains with a batshit insane relationship and I love them for it

#hisoillu #hisoka morow #illumi zoldyck #hxh #hunter x hunter #meta #they’ve been on my mind!!!#apologies for this being so heavy but yknow #kinda don’t want to sugarcoat this. that’s the whole point #they’re awful. they’re so fucking awful. let them be awful

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tangsakura · 2 years

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「甘えてんの?」 - What Does it Mean?

Enjoy, especially the hisomachi shippers.

Warnings: if you haven’t read chapter 357 of Hunter x Hunter, then it’s gonna be spoiler so don’t go any further if that's the case; bad grammar; unedited; typos.

「甘えてんの?」 - what does this mean?

In the JP-EN dictionaries, you'll probably mostly see the following definitions for 甘える:

To be someone spoiled or to act like one (e.g. demanding attention, asking for things, seeking affection)

To take advantage of or depend on (an emotion, goodwill, feelings, etc.)

Others also shared the other meanings in the following: Link 1, Link 2, Link 3 (you can google '甘える' and read HiNative forums too or other forums as well; you might need a google translator if you’re gonna go to a Japanese forum or read something in Japanese)

Here's what the dictionary I tend to use for Japanese classes say: Link 4

(Also, it may also have to do with this concept of 甘え, which exists in the Japanese culture to understand: Link 1, Link 2)

When I first read the official raws, I assumed Hisoka was saying something along the lines of "Whining like a little spoiled brat, are you?", "Demanding my attention, are you?" or "Being a spoiled brat, are you?". Because I wouldn't be surprised if Hisoka sees Machi's anger as an act of a spoiled person or some sort.

So I went to check if that's also what the translations would say. When I read the unofficial and official English versions, I was kinda surprised at their translations. Well, more like shocked for the unofficial one actually.

The unofficial English translation goes like this:

On the other hand, the official one goes like this:

I get that the official English translation went for the second definition of the verb 甘える, assuming that Hisoka was talking about his love for her or whatever that love is. The only problem is that we don't really know if he was really referring to love, goodwill, or whatnot. So it may makes sense, but not perfectly capture the whole thing.

But on the unofficial translation? I don't know what the translator(s) of the scans were on when doing this page or chapter. I guess they derived the meaning the word, 甘い. It can mean two things: 'Sweet' & 'Naive.' It uses the same kanji as 甘える, and probably assumed the verb itself meant 'being naive' or something like that. So, the translation ended up being like 'Being naive, are you?' and then the proofreader and the QC person probably were like 'uhh.... let's make it more natural in terms of the situation'. As a result, we have that line of 'Excuse me? Who do you think I am?' line.

I also searched for the Korean translation of this page to see how they translated it, and I'm lucky I found it on Twitter.

They translated it as 'Making a fuss, are you?', 'Being whiny, are you?' somewhere along those lines. Basically close to what I assumed when I read the original Japanese line. But obvs, it may not be exact.

So to answer the question, 「甘えてんの?」 does directly mean 'Acting like a spoiled brat, are you?', 'Whining like a brat, are you?', 'Seeking my attention?' or somewhere along those lines according to the first definition or others in those links. It makes a lot more sense in the context, considering Hisoka's vocabulary and personality.

But then again, Hisoka is into those double entendres sh*t a lot, so while he may be saying those lines, he might also be referring to some sort of feeling like he might be saying 'depending on my good will or favour or love for you?'. Or he could also have a third meaning on it. Who knows wtf this clown was on or was thinking about at the moment.

Anyways, this was a hard one because there's many ways to translate this, and since there's limited space on the speech bubble, translators have to pick the one that suits the most. Honestly, even I had to think about what Hisoka might be or what else he might expressing in that question whenever I had to re-read it.

Please share what you think is the meaning of that phrase now that you know what the verb means. This is probably the only time I want other people's insight so much on this.

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PS: @wurud, I tried my best to answer as you requested. I hope it helps you understand what Hisoka means in this panel.

#hxh #hxh manga #HunterXHunter #Hunter X Hunter #hunter x hunter meta #Hisoka #hisomachi #hisoka morow #machi #hxh machi #hxh meta #hxh analysis #chapter 357 #hisoka x machi

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cuchufletapl · 2 months

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It's so funny how in the Hunter x Hunter databook Gon's personality is pretty much described as, "His intelligence is peculiar and his morals are wonky as hell but he's a good kid." They're not wrong but lmao

#I got my hands on a copy and I'm trying to translate it to practice my japanese #so obviously I had to start with my darling boy's entry #hxh #gon freecss #my commentary - sort of meta?#hunter x hunter

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jaguarys · 4 months

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HxH jumpscare. Anyways I think the reason why Hisoka and Illumi's dynamic is so phenomenal is that Illumi is a person who's pretending not to be and Hisoka is something pretending to be a person. Hisoka is consciously putting in the effort to perform while Illumi is consciously putting in the effort NOT to

#hxh isn't my brainrot of choice anymore really. but it was on and off for years. so #i have sooooo many thoughts on hisoillu y'all don't even know #fandom: hunter x hunter #type: meta #hunter x hunter #hxh #hisoka #hisoka morow #illumi zoldyck #hxh illumi #illumi #hisoillu #illuhiso

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iwritenarrativesandstuff · 19 days

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On Kurapika's Self-Imposed Isolation

While I recognize that probably everything I'm about to say is going to be super obvious, I just wanted to briefly touch on Kurapika's self-isolation, and the reason behind his not picking up his phone or exchanging anything more than clipped words and business after Yorknew.

I think the obvious answer is that Kurapika doesn't want his friends in harms way, or to be used as a bargaining tool against him. This is an understandable and probably accurate conclusion. After all, Gon and Killua did get taken hostage, and Kurapika was forced to negotiate an exchange. Chrollo picked up on Kurapika's "weakness" right away - that he values his friends' safety before his revenge. Fortunately for Kurapika in this situation, Pakunoda was a whole lot more similar to him than he would've cared to admit, as she placed a value on Chrollo's life even though everyone in the Spider was intended to be replaceable. So, now that he's been through Gon and Killua having potentially gotten killed or seriously hurt, and Chrollo knows that he has a soft spot for them, it does make sense that he would try to push them away for their safety and for the sake of not having an exploitable "weakness" in future. He may also not want to burden them more when they have their own lives to live - he does slip off without telling Gon and Killua for the sake of not distracting them from Nen training, after all.

Except that he already tried all this earlier in Yorknew arc. He tried to tell them they shouldn't get involved, and they all agreed that the risks were massive - but his friends agreed to undergo the risks anyways to help him. Kurapika was even grateful for it - "I have been blessed with good friends."

So, for him to push them away solely for this reason after the fact, knowing that this was very much a likely situation to happen, is a little odd to me. Kurapika knows full well that Leorio would be frustrated, Killua would be offended and Gon would worry. So, I think there's a little more to it than that, and I actually would venture to say that "keeping his friends out of danger" is more a secondary reason for his actions - one that would come across as more of a reasonable excuse to others.

The primary reason is likely a lot more selfish than that. Kurapika has to ensure his mission comes first. And unfortunately, he is fully aware that his path and choice in abilities is deeply self-destructive.

Kurapika needs to make sure that he doesn't have exploitable weaknesses, sure, but he also just as much needs to purposefully worsen his headspace - and he can't do that with those three around.

Think back, what are the happiest moments we see from Kurapika in the series? The one that comes to mind first, and the one I'm sure most of us will think of immediately, is this:

[ID: A screenshot from the 2011 anime adaptation. Kurapika smiles - he looks at ease. End ID.]

It's one of the sweetest scenes of the series imo, right before the whole group is reunited for the first time since the Zoldyck Family arc, and it's even more notable because it comes immediately on the tail end of this...

[ID: Three panels from HxH Chapter 101. Kurapika removes his contacts over the sink. His expression is distant. End ID.]

...and this...

[ID: A panel from HxH Chapter 101. A close up of Kurapika's vacant and furious expression, his eyes wide and dangerous as he says "It might as well be you." Though the art is in black and white, it's apparent his eyes have gone scarlet. End ID.]

...and this.

[ID: A panel from HxH Chapter 101. A distant Kurapika speaks on the phone on a rooftop at night, the cityscape of Yorknew around him dark, but speckled with lights and stars. He says "The Spiders are dead." His face is not visible to the reader. End ID.]

This is, up to this point in the series, Kurapika at his lowest. In contrast to Gon, who is happy to hear that the Spiders are dead already because now Kurapika can focus solely on finding his peoples' eyes, Kurapika... is clearly not happy - and that's because killing the Spiders himself isn't just revenge. It's penance. It's survivor's guilt. Kurapika's powers, which Izunavi even comments sound much like he is chaining himself in the process of chaining his enemies, are oh-so-beautifully prophecied to destroy him - and Kurapika was aware of this from the moment he set off down this path of revenge.

(As a side note, this is why I'm really hoping we see Gon and Kurapika interact again after the Chimera Ant arc - while Gon has always been pretty attentive to Kurapika's emotional state, in Yorknew, he lacks a true understanding of why Kurapika would go so far... but as of now, he understands rage fueled by guilt and grief all too well. I know we're all rooting for Leorio to reach Kurapika, but barring that, I really think Gon could get through to him - after all, they are similar in several ways, and I find it fairly apparent that Gon reminds Kurapika of Pairo.)

But back to the main point here - I do suspect Kurapika expects (if not wants) his revenge mission to destroy him. I think a lot of times, we forget just how young Kurapika is, and how much his character is dictated by honour, and the abandonment of it.

Certainly, he can and will go against his principles for the sake of his mission... yet, almost paradoxically, he's bound to his promise to his fallen clan; a promise to avenge them made in anger.

But Kurapika... doesn't come across as a naturally angry person to me at all.

He seems like the stoic, vengeful type on his initial introduction... and then we get his panic at Gon's recklessness

[ID: A panel from HxH Chapter 2. Kurapika and Leorio wear matching expressions of panic in front of Gon, calling him out for his recklessness. End ID.]

...and his near-immediate forgiveness of Leorio after getting the first inkling of his character - of someone who cares just as fiercely as he does.

And after that point? Almost all through the Hunter Exam? Kurapika smiles so readily at them. He's sharp and funny. He mediates at times, but is stubbornly prideful in others. He's very amused by his friends' antics, and it really does seem like he starts to enjoy himself, with them. And, more than that, he counters Leorio's initial impression of him as an independent loner - on several occasions. He decides to follow Gon because Gon intrigues him. Asides from Gon, it is Kurapika who is the most unwilling to fight each other at the bottom of Trick Tower. Kurapika who makes the first move to team up with Leorio, even though that arrangement benefits Leorio much more than it does him. Kurapika who refuses to abandon Leorio to his fate in the cave, and who checks on Gon after noticing his bad mood. Who was furious enough watching him get beat down by Hanzo that his eyes went scarlet for the first and only instance outside of Spider mentions and Emperor Time. Who quite readily detoured to help rescue Killua.

[ID: Three screenshots from the 2011 adaptation Hunter Exam arc. In the first, Kurapika smiles at a sleeping Leorio. In the second, Kurapika stifles laughter as he pretends he's asleep. In the third, Kurapika has an open-mouthed smile as he acquires the airship tickets for them, Leorio and Gon standing behind him. End ID.]

Look at him! He's so bright! So happy!

...too happy. Too happy to do what he promised himself he would do. And that's his biggest fear, isn't it. Without his rage... what is he left with?

[ID: A panel from HxH chapter 2. A close up of Kurapika's eye as he says "I do not fear death. What I fear is that my rage will one day fade away." End ID.]

Kurapika is far, far less mired in anger when he's with his friends. I actually dare to say that at certain points, he was able to go for lengths of time without thinking much about it - alternating between almost forgetting in one instance and being hit like a sledgehammer on exposure to a reminder in the next. This violent swing is... actually the beginnings of the natural process of healing from loss and trauma. But to Kurapika, who's made a promise to his people's memories, this is not a relief. This is betrayal.

I think that actually scares him, that he can almost picture it. A life beyond his guilt. That he, too, could learn to be happy, even after unimaginable loss.

And so, as Kurapika continues his mission offscreen, finding more and more gruesome reminders of the cruelty inflicted on his people and losing more and more pieces of himself in the process (in his own words, no less), he prioritizes his responsibility to them, and pushes away his distractions. He cannot be a soul at peace until his work is done; he must be in turmoil. He pushes people away who he cares for, and binds himself, and keeps his people's eyes on him, quite literally, because respite, for him, is unacceptable. Perhaps that guilty part of him even hopes, by the end of this, that his soul will be so unrecognizable as to be fundamentally unsalvageable. But the truth of the matter is, or at least what comes across to me, is that Kurapika cares much more fiercely than he hates. He knows what matters most. And for as long as he does, he still hasn't truly lost himself.

[ID: A panel from HxH chapter 350. Kurapika looks down at baby Woble with a gentle, yet complicated expression. The inking is somewhat softer. End ID.]

Kurapika's soul is kind, really. And it wants to heal - but for the sake of his mission, he needs it damaged and bleeding. And so, he forces himself to exist in that pain. All alone.

[ID: A panel from HxH Chapter 344. Kurapika, dressed in a black suit, sits with his back to the reader, looking down at a photo in his hand. He is slumped a little before the church vigil he has prepared, all his clan's eyes lined up in their jars and honoured with flowers and candles. He thinks to himself "There is no home for me to return to... and nobody to welcome me back. I have nothing left." End ID.]

#thank you for coming to my ted talk on how kurapika is worsening his own mental health as well as physical health on purpose have a good day #oh my god this took me so long but it was worth it!!!#actual analysis!!! it's been so long!!!#anyways i'm far shakier on my hxh knowledge than other fandoms i've written meta for #so i hope this makes sense. i appreciate additions to it just please be polite!#i also believe that togashi's writing lends itself to multiple interpretations that are equally valid. so much of this #may be my own takeaway. but i do think there's enough evidence to support it #well. i hope you guys suffer... i mean enjoy.#storyrambles #hunter x hunter #hxh #hxh meta #kurapika #call me ace detective the way i am ace. and also a detective #<-analysis tag i missed you

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