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thegeminisage · 6 years

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What other characters (of DBH) you think people should appreciate more and why? I love read your opinions❤

omg anon pls thats so sweet

(if anybody wasn’t here for the last ask the first character was north & there’s a follow-up here)

alright just a “””quick””” (lol as if) little thing for each one bc it’s getting late & you’ve already been waiting on this for like an hour at the time i started typing. it’s probably gonna be long as fuck but the tl;dr is at the bottom

LUTHER:

they did luther so dirty…it was like david cage was playing “racist trope bingo” for his entire debut chapter…and then on top of that all he cares about is kara & alice, these two near-strangers, and it’s real easy to get him killed for them. in fact, in an ending where kara sacrifices herself at the border, she tells alice that luther will get her across the border, and after that, rose will take care of her. UM WHAT? don’t call ur PSN trophy “happy family” and then try to erase luther like that!! what does luther want? what are his hopes and dreams, his fears? nobody ever bothers to ask bc they’re too busy making ralph alice’s dad. and it’s not that i don’t like ralph - i do! but he threatened alice with a knife TWICE. after her previous dad’s bullshit, that’s the last thing she needs!!

here’s my take on luther: he says that what his life was before kara & alice doesn’t matter, and that’s because david cage doesn’t care about him. but imagine instead that luther remembers what he did (was forced to do) before he broke his programming. our luther is sweet and gentle and good, but zlatko forced him to use his strength as a weapon for LITERALLY tearing people apart. don’t you think luther regrets that? don’t you think he wishes he could take it back? perhaps his even temper and loving heart is a RESULT of those early memories: he’s seen the worst sides of anger and callousness, he’s had to be complicit in it. my feeling is that he never ever wants to be complicit in something like that again…it feels weird when he picks up a gun in the game because i think he would be even more of a staunch pacifist than josh?? i feel like even when luther does get annoyed or angry he’s so afraid of the harm he’s capable of doing he doesn’t even really let himself feel it And That’s Sad. he should be able to get annoyed at like a broken coffee maker or some shit without illogically worrying it will result in someone’s maiming or death?? maybe he is So Ready to throw himself on a grenade for kara and alice because yes, he does love them, but also he feels he has to redeem himself somehow, yk? he has to be willing to do absolutely WHATEVER it takes to be Good

they didn’t give luther any depth…he never got to speak to zlatko’s captives and apologize, he never got to express a feeling about kara potentially burning down the whole fucking nightmare house (with living androids inside, i might add) - would he have wished to save those androids? would he be glad their suffering was over? would he have motherfucking hearts in his eyes for kara single-handedly destroying his own personal hell? he deviated for alice, it was alice that made him say “ok, doing this to kids is where i literally can’t take it anymore” - don’t you think he’d be so retroactively terrified of all the terrible things that could have happened to her?

like i truly don’t get why people make ralph alice’s dad when luther loves her so fucking much he’d bring her the moon if she asked - he’s the only person who loves her just as selflessly and unconditionally as kara does. she accepted him and wanted him to say goodnight their very first night together…as soon as he resisted his programming, she stopped being afraid of him, and it must be so amazing for him to finally have people around who don’t either fear him or try to control him…whether u ship him with kara or not (i do, everyone should - it’s one thing to HC kara as gay but i side-eye people who don’t wanna ship luther with anybody) you know he’s gotta cherish them so much

AMANDA:

ok look i know amanda is the antag to connor’s story but honestly she’s metal as FUCK. i was so fucking floored to not only learn the garden isn’t a garden but that amanda isn’t amanda…my first playthrough i was letting connor be just a lil bit deviant but whenever amanda would ask about it i would panic and lie…now i know it doesnt matter what you can say and you can be blatantly deviant right in front of her and she’s like ok Whatever BUT i was deeply shook to realize all my lying to her all along hadn’t meant a thing…she did in fact KNOW i was lying because she wasn’t real, she was living in connor’s brain and she could see all that shit he was doing

and also?? like, imagine you were made out of a dead person’s face and voice. we don’t know if amanda has a body, we don’t know if kamski actually liked what he created or thought it was creepy (like imagine if he and amanda were close and then she died…it’d be weird to see her like that), we don’t know if amanda CAN deviate like the androids…she’s living this half life potentially stuck in some garden and just doing what her program says like everybody else. but even though machines get all the sympathy in this game i very rarely ever see people stop and go “dude, is she ok…is someone controlling her can we help her” - amanda’s a lot like connor, she’s hunting down deviants but she’s not a human and she’s not alive yet so who’s pulling her strings?? can they be cut???

JOSH:

i’ll be honest i haven’t figured out what Angle i like best for josh the way i’ve got one for luther and north but he has such strong convictions i feel like they would have to stem from some past experience. everybody’s always arguing about simon vs north that nobody stops to give josh the attention he deserves…he’s part of the fantastic 4 too!! who is josh? what does he want? what is he afraid of? does he refuse to be violent for reasons like luther - did he hurt someone, deliberately or accidentally? (to a lesser extent, a pacifist markus who shoved leo can also follow this pattern - he gave into violence and thought he’d killed carl’s son, so he swore to do no more violence after that.) or: did he see someone else get hurt/get hurt himself? i know the backstory they give him in the gallery but tbh it’s very similar and not stand-out from most of the rest of the stuff we hear…

like, what made josh deviate? we literally never find out. i think it would be interesting tho if instead of just being the victim of violence, he was ordered to DO violence, and refused - maybe that’s why he got hurt. but i think his relationship WITH violence could be a complex thing for anyone who wanted to tackle it. we know why north prefers violence, why does josh detest it? (similarly, why does simon prefer safety over either approach? - but fandom gives him a lot of love and attention and tries to explain this, and nobody tries to explain it for josh.)

KARA & ALICE:

like…to a small extent…i know they’re main characters but i could write an essay just on why they didn’t get a fair shake either - constant victims of assault, little depth, kara got to choose what happened to her but not what kind of person she was gonna be like markus & connor, significantly less playtime than markus & connor, had NO influence on the big macro plot like markus & connor, i could go on…but definitely the worst for me is that everything about kara that made us love her (from the short), was ERASED - david took her memories and never made the slightest move towards kara wanting them back, or her being able to get them back. she’s six years old and he took all of her history from her, all of her agency!! i feel like translated into fic they can both become very flat - all kara cares about is protecting alice, and alice is constantly scared or hurt or needing to be taken care of, like a baby doll. granted that’s not actually far from the game’s canon, but it could have been MORE. kara had six entire years of experiences before she met alice - what makes alice special? who is kara without alice?

i really wish we had been able to take a personality route with kara - her main superpower seems to be empathy and getting people on her side (ralph, jerrys, zlatko’s creatures), but she can also wave around a gun at anybody who gets near her baby. it would have been really interesting to explore two sides of that - to have a kara who is 1000% Done and ready for wholesale murder if it means surviving vs having a kara who can bring out the best in anyone, even if they seem like bad people at first. (imagine the influence you could have over alice - she would learn to be wary of strangers or be warm to them.) but instead the narrative is wishy-washy; you can’t teach alice anything, and in fact she serves as kara’s moral compass instead of the other way around - you wind up doing things like comforting the guy who broke kara multiple times and waving a gun at ralph (who like, shouldn’t have done that, but also isn’t 100% in control of his own facualities all the time). it would have been really interesting to see kara be able to influence her own fate more as well - the camp sections are shitty and should not exist but like maybe a kara who had spent the whole game yelling at everyone with a gun would have the ability unlocked to then rally the people inside, and who cared what connor and markus were doing, you know?

but david doesn’t know how to write women so that’s not what we got - kara carried that entire franchise into reality and he totally screwed her over!!

TL;DR

luther was forced to do terrible things and that could explain a lot of his behavior if anybody cared, nobody ever wonders if amanda is being forced to obey programming like the rest of the machines or if she’s ok, josh’s relationship with violence could be very complex and we don’t know his motivation for refusing to participate in it the way we know north’s for preferring it, and david can’t write women so he shafted kara so fucking bad and it is an honest to god shame

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mariska · 3 years

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ok so having played Two (2) danganronpa games (THH + DR2), watched One (1) anime adaption (the Despair/Future arcs) and being in the middle of a playthrough of Ultra Despair Girls i would like to share my personal top ten funney danganronpa moments with u all because this series is so fucking stupid and i hate it but its also one of my new favorite things ever. also this is a very spoiler heavy list so if u wanna get into it yourself scroll past this one lol

coming in at #10: "kamakura kamakura yass queen!": not actually that funny as a sentence but the fact that it was said during a scene that was supposed to have an ominous evil air about it is very funny to me, also i cant stop quoting it in response to things that have nothing to do with that scene. also tied here is junko and mukuro's debut scene in the despair arc anime where junko narrates everything thats happening in the moment and mukuro's like 'why are you doing this'

#9: any time a character who killed someone runs out of defenses/counter arguments in a class trial and just starts repeating the same word over and over while everyone else talks over them (because because because because because, its not fair not fair not fair notfairnotfairnotfairnotfair, stupid stupid stupid stupidstupidstupidstupid)

#8: the fact that the gameplay surrounding death investigations is so convoluted and prolonged even though me and my friend have guessed exactly who the culprit was in literally every case at least two real human non game hours before the person even gets mentioned as a potential suspect in-game

#7: the 'pervert' archetype character being the first to die in DR2 by getting deep fried in a volcano. that was therapeutic

#6: the music venue in DR2 being named "Titty Typhoon"

#5: gundam's talent being 'Ultimate Breeder' because he breeds animals but it almost always is mentioned in a way that really makes it sound like its Not About Breeding Animals

#4: monaca getting upset at pink haired girl in Ultra Despair Girls and punching her directly in the face like 80 times in a row while talking to her, also tied here is the fact that she Talks! Like! This! Out! Loud! When! She! Doesn't! Get! Exactly! What! She! Wants! AND the scene in the future arc anime where toko and komaru demand to know who the mastermind is and shes like 'ok i'll tell you' *farts*

#3: Mondo Butter™️

#2: mukuro singing a soulful rendition of a classical vocal music piece while the hope's peak students are all brutally murdering each other in the despair arc anime. also tied in this spot: every time 'Toko Vision' or 'Toko's Fantasy' happens in the future arc & Ultra Despair Girls

#1: nagito komaeda's entire existence. dude is apparently the 'Ultimate Lucky Student' but somehow has managed to get early onset dementia, stabs himself in the stomach with a huge spear after tying himself down to the ground like hes crucifying himself, has a rotting hand that he looted from the main villain's corpse sewn onto his wrist and got jumped, kidnapped and turned into a personal servant by a gang of angry 8 year olds. he is by far my least favorite 'main' character but he is so fucking funny on the grounds that horrible shit keeps happening to him over and over and over out of nowhere. also the scene in the despair arc anime where hes like taking a lil shower under some cliff water and it shows his pasty butt for like 5 seconds made me laugh so hard that i thought i was gonna cry and the scene in Ultra Despair Girls where he walks into the main room of the evil toddler headquarters to bring them some appey juice but he made it wrong because his life is a joke so all the kids just start throwing cake and pies at him relentlessly while he just stands there covered in frosting and foam like this: 😄 is maybe my favorite scene of any piece of media ever i laughed so hard that i fell out of my chair and got lightheaded sobbing from laughter on the floor

#danganronpa #anyways great series. i would not reccommend it #long post

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