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swallowtail-ageha · 2 months
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Gwynevere's children reunion extravaganza
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cinderflower · 1 year
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Thinking about pre-angelic faith Gertrude and Lothric again
“You know, even the thought of allowing me to live would be considered heresy, dear Gertrude. You would do well to consider who you say such things around.” “Forgive my saying so, my Lord, but perhaps there should be more heretical talk.” (X)
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archthrones · 9 months
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Gertrude, The Heavenly Daughter
Model by AronTheBaron
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infirmux · 2 years
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you see the queen of lothric is either gwynevere or rosaria or rosaria who is actually gwynevere or shes gertrude the heavenly daughter who is gwynevere or gwyneveres daughter who might be rosaria. And none of this matters because shes obviously velka
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Dark Souls characters’ favorite music: part 1 of ???
Gwyn, Lord of Cinders: rowdy, classic dad rock stuff. Probably Springsteen or The Who.  
Nameless King: moar rock, except it’s livelier and more rebel youth-y. Guns And Roses, Metallica, Judas Priest and so forth. And AC/DC. THUNDER! AAAAA!
Filianore: moar rock, except GRRL. Hole, Garbage, Heart... you name it. 
Dragonslayer Ornstein: “I’d like to thank the Migos — not for being on the show, but for making ‘Bad and Boujee”. 
Artorias the Abysswalker: meme songs! Also EDM. Lots of EDM. Can and will take his boyfriend clubbing. Except his boyfriend is awkward. Never do this again. 
Crossbreed Priscilla: what do misunderstood girls listen to? Avril Lavigne, that’s who. 
Ceaseless Discharge: angsty stuff. Skillet, Three Days Grace, Drowning Pool, even Five Finger Death Punch if he’s feeling so. Except he respects women and will burn you if you insinuate otherwise. 
Shanalotte, the Emerald Herald: she’s also into angsty stuff. MCR, Fall Out Boy, Paramore and even some Green Day once in a while. 
Covetous Demon: Drake. Just... Drake. 
Elana, the Squalid Queen: she’s a classy woman and a singer, so very high-level soul with a powerful vocalist. Toni and Tamar Braxton, Jennifer Hudson, Ledisi, you name it. The higher they go, the better it is. 
Oceiros, the Consumed King: Queen, David Bowie, Nick Cave. The type of music that has the “you’re not listening to this? You know nothing about music” type of fans. Not all of them are like this, mind you, but he is undoubtedly among them.  
Dancer of the Boreal Valley: something one can move to. Ciara first and foremost, but also Janelle Monae, the Pussycat Dolls, or even a sprinkle of Nicki Minaj from time to time. 
Gertrude, the Heavenly Daughter: Taylor Swift, Halsey, Lorde, Hey Violet and teen stuff of this range. 
Lothric, Younger Prince: Troye Sivan, Years & Years, the 1975. He even tries some of dad’s playlists from time to time, even though he won’t admit it. 
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Gertrude the Heavenly Daughter was a strong warrior and a powerful miracle caster. She didn’t get caged without a fight.
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Pontiff Sulyvahn: Your Majesty, it’s about time you got your head out of those books *tossing Oceiros’ book about dragons into the mud* and paid attention to more important things… like me!
Gertrude and Dorhys: *sighing in unison*
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nightmaredaisy · 6 years
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I’ve been thinking about the Lothric royal family for a few days, so I thought it would be time to sketch them down (Oceiros’ wings aren’t actually like that but I wanted some cool dragon wings so whatevs)
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((Send this doodle to @cursedandcarried a couple of days back. I guess they were my ideas for what the Lothric siblings look like, including Gertrude.))
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lw-naf-og-blog · 7 years
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dumb theory hours: part four
hypothetically what if, real dumb, but, hear me out here
darklurker is flann
i read somewhere that gertrude/the heavenly daughter was described in the japanese as “daughter of the angel,” and i know my gut reaction to the angel stuff is all the DS3 stuff in ringed city/pilgrim butterflies, and i’m like oh yeah of course that’s just some reference to gwynevere’s godly status
but there are so many references to gertrude in particular being transplanted, particularly in her differing treatment wrt the other lothric royals, and zero signs of gwynevere’s kids by flann anywhere in the games (though i know popular stance is he was just retconned) that i’m almost wondering if, okay, sure, gertrude could be the flann baby.
and then i remembered darklurker’s description.
i mean, gwynevere had to have been in drangleic, because she was, canonically, alive. we have items that reference lucatiel by name in DS3, so if we want to use item descriptions to explain lore, it makes sense to use them to place chronology, and gwynevere’s miracles made it to and are in use within drangleic, though she’s not worshipped literally at all there. 
but flann is gone.
and this is, most likely, the first true age of dark, as the fragments of the daughters of manus have not yet coalesced, so what became of flann?
we know a couple of things about the darklurker:
the soul description gives no information about who the darklurker is.
in fact, the only information we get is that the chasm itself that darklurker is found in is “the remnant of some ancient, dissipated being” which honestly describes a corrupted unseated flame god in an age of dark preeetttyyyy darn well (though the location, i believe, is meant to be where manus was found)
the soul itself gives lifedrain patch, which is a hex that consumes souls and affixes dark to a spot, inflicting damage to those who touch it, but it acts quite like blackflame. there is no equivalent spell in either souls game. it also, notably, harms the caster and their allies, implying perhaps the creator may not have had any affinity with dark.
nashandra is the only one who has a similar variant of the spell, and she is a corrupting agent of the dark, and holy shit, if she could get her hands on a god of flame. 
but also, i want to take a second to plug elana, because her whole MO is supposed to be retributive wrath, and corrupting an old god of flame to to forgetting himself in the dark seems a very her thing to do, particularly given the chasm/manus link
also, while the creature itself is.... definitely fucking corrupted, unlike velstadt, raime, and the sister squadron, darklurker’s soul doesn’t have that purple abyss-ey tint. Therefore, as per soulswiki dot com, proof for sure that homeboy is not native to the Abyss.
darklurker is out here fighting exclusively with projectiles or spells with pyromancy equivalents (i’m thinking the soul blade here) AND... AAAAAAAAAAND has pyromancy attacks
the pyromancy he uses, in particular also references Aldia’s creepy fucking experiments, which implies that whatever Darklurker used to be, even if not flann, Aldia had a hand in wiping his memory. What’s more, you get the pyromancy (forbidden sun) from navlaan of all people, so the dual nature is very wack.
also everyone takes the mitosis move as a four kings reference, while i was under the impression that the four kings cloning bit was a programming time constraint (along with half of lost izalith, lmao). 
no, actually, the one who does have references to self-generation is the witch of izalith, so, imo it’s more likely a pyromancy association. she self-generates multiple times - it’s arguable that the life soul gave her the capacity to reproduce parthogenetically, but even if you want to discount that, she self-generates via chaos flame. i would like to posit the argument that pyromancy gods can just fuckin. mitosis. 
ANYWAY gertrude is the heavenly daughter, daughter of the angel, and.... darklurker is out here looking like an edgy angel in a sith robe.
it is also VERY worth noting that one day gertrude was visited by an angel who reveals a story to her, immediately loses voice and sight upon the visit, and founds a new religion on the basis of the resulting incomprehensible scrawlings
which later, as per that pilgrim in the ringed city, bears fruit, and sees the rise of the faithful once the flame is finally usurped at world’s end, where people transform into angels that fly around, yeeting horrible lasers from the sky with uncanny resemblance to darklurker, waiting for the usurper to finally claim the dark soul
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demons-fanatic · 3 years
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Rosaria: Our Lady, Holy Mother
So, I've been replaying Dark Souls 3 and during so, I've honestly been realizing way more about some characters and really indulging in them. One of them is Rosaria, Mother of Rebirth.
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Warning: Spoilers for Dark Souls 3 for the ENTIRE post below!
In Dark Souls 3, there's a particularly interesting character named Rosaria. She leads a covenant called "Rosaria's Fingers" which are directly opposed to the Way of Blue and Blades of the Darkmoon. Which leads us to our first major point; Who is Rosaria and why does she hate the Gods?
At first glance at her character, Rosaria is really dark. As in literally dark, her black clothes, black hair... etc. Opposed to the Gods who are usually represented by White or Divine Colors(See Gwyn's Family) and I'm not sure if it's really intentional but it is something that is obvious. Next, what exactly does Rosaria represent or what is her place in the Dark Souls world? For this, we must look at a Japanese Myth.
The Story of Izanami(伊弉冉尊) and Izanagi(イザナギ) is the basic creation Myth for Japan. They were both the first Man and Woman, they created the first land. They did so with a Spear that was gifted to them and then created the Great Sea. They birthed two children, Hiruko(蛭子) and Awashima(粟島), Hiruko in particular meaning "Leech Child". After giving birth to Kaga-tsuchi(火之迦具土, Literally "Shrine of Flame"), Izanami dies and is sent to the Underworld, becoming the Goddess of Death. Izanagi comes to look for her and while going there, Izanami tells Izanagi not to look at her. However, he does anyways revealing the Underworld has permanently obstructed her form. This terrified Izanagi and he left her in the Underworld. After this, Izanami proclaimed she would kill one thousand people a day but Izanagi said he would father a thousand and five hundred more a day. They were officially divorced in this event.
As we can tell, there are a lot of interesting things we can gather once we connect Izanami to Rosaria. And you might be asking... can we even do that? Well, yes. Rosaria is connected to divinity in some way. Only large people are seen to be deific and once we get Rosaria's Soul(I'll get to that later) we can acquire Gwynevere's Miracles meaning even if she wasn't a god, she was heavily connected to the Gods in such a way she knew and or used these Miracles. It is also worth mentioning that Leonhard calls her a Goddess, but that could be due to his adoration. The other connection is that in some way, Rosaria was betrayed by the Gods so badly she now garners followers in the hopes they will kill members of Royal Covenants and steal something taken from her, tongues. Another connection is Hiruko and the Slug in Rosaria's lap, Hiruko was considered inadequate as a Child and deformed, as you can tell the creature that lays on Rosaria is definitely a deformed creature, similar to the Man Grubs, possibly her Child as it is the biggest(this has no evidence what-so-ever). The last connection is also something pretty interesting; The Deep and the concept of "Kegare(穢れ)".
This leads into a lot, so be wary of this part if you want to read it. So, in Shintoism, water is a very important part of the entire thing. Along with this is the concept of purity through flowing water or "Harae(祓)". Flowing things, especially water, is clear and clean unlike still water which collects grime and impurities. Of course, you want to be clean, right? Well, this is the concept. Flow is good, stagnation is bad. While we are stagnant, whether spiritually or physically, we collect impurities and do not really do anything. You may ask... How does this relate to Rosaria, specifically the connection of her and Izanami? Well, let's look at the place she's at. I don't even mean her room but the entire location. The Cathedral of the Deep is full of Kegare, absolutely full of it. All of the water is disgusting and muddy and mucky, poison comes out of the faucets and the foundation of the Cathedral is sinking. The entirety of the Deep is also just Kegare, but I plan on making a post just on that. So, yes, Rosaria is surrounded by Kegare and so was Izanami. The Underworld filled her with impurities and deformed her entire body. Rosaria seems to be very dirty herself, in her hair is slime and she lacks a tongue, which was stolen from her. Both Women are considered deformed and dirty and are surrounded by stagnation. Rosaria herself does not move and only sits in her Chamber, same with Izanami only staying in the Underworld, stagnating, in a way. Now, this is not extremely high evidence but it is an interesting connection that could explain Rosaria's role and some of her inspiration.
Next is another connection but this time it's in the Universe. This one is quite obvious if you've played Dark Souls 1 and this is Rosaria and Anastacia. Both scenarios play out very similarly. Their Souls are stolen by Men who bring their Souls to Anor Londo but for different reasons. Lautrec's is actually never stated and thusly is unrelated. But Leonhard's is because he wishes for no one else to have her. Claiming that you and most likely everyone else will just steal it too. Why they have similar plotlines, I have no idea and it doesn't really make sense. Though, it is possible that Rosaria is a Firekeeper of some sort as she can Respec(reset skill points) the Player Character and the only other Character's in the series who can do that are Firekeepers. However, her Soul doesn't look like a Firekeeper's(reference below)
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(Rosariaiis's Soul)
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(Fire Keeper Soul)
Admittedly, it does look like a bit of Humanity is swirling in her Soul, compared to others but, who knows. She probably is a Firekeeper but we'll probably never get an answer on that. And by the end, Anastasia does have her tongue back but for some reason Rosaria does not and it is absolutely not clear why this is the case.
Next, let's talk about the bit of lore she does have. It's said that her tongue was stolen from her First Born and that could be a lot of people. First off, it does imply more Children and that does fit with something later. So, who is this first Child? Well, most signs point to Aldrich, whose Bodily slime is actually near the doors of Rosaria's Chamber, this proves not a lot but given the fact Aldrich is a cannibal, he definitely did something to her whether or not it be he stole her tongue. But of course, why wouldn't he eat all of her? It's kind of confusing and this part of the lore is extremely lackluster and even if you think about it you can't get anywhere.
Next, let's talk about her Covenant, but before we do that let's ask another question. Is Rosaria someone we have seen before? Well, if you're telling yourself "Hm, she sounds like she could definitely be Gwynevere" you'd be right. Not that she is Gwynevere confirmed but more signs point to yes than no... Let's go over the evidence:
Is a Goddess
Connections to Miracles about Gwynevere
Connections to the Old Gods in some form
Has Children(Amazing point, I know)
Have Magical Abilities
GNow, I know this isn't much but all together it is pretty telling evidence that something is afoot with the connections. Your first thought of it being against is "Oh, well yes it's possible but isn't Gwynevere like 40 feet tall" and well, no, not really. Even in DS1 this can be debunked in the same room(sorta). We all know Gwynevere is an illusion, so how do we know her real size? Well, in the Ornstein and Smough Boss Room we see these statues .
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As we can see, Gwynevere is almost as tall as the Gwyn statue which is basically built to scale. Presumably, anyways. And as we can see, Gwynevere is not as big but she is pretty tall. Now, let's compare it to Rosaria(with Player scale too):
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(Source)
As we can see, this height is actually plausible. Rosaria isn't actually that much taller or bigger. Her legs are long and torso about the same size. The next point against it though is the names... Rosaria is obviously not the same as Gwynevere. But, assuming that if you're running away from your family, you'd change your name too. And the Miracle she gives with her Soul, Bountiful Sunlight, which mentions Gwynevere's occupation as a Mother and Wife. This obviously fits in with Rosaria's mentioned child and children, assumedly. But, it's never said that she was married. But, Gwynevere is married, to the God, Flann. They could be hinting at the fact that either Rosaria is Gwynevere's daughter or her, herself.
Another suspect of who she could be is the Queen of Lothric. We know the Queen left after her Husband became mad with the power of the Dragon. There is also evidence for this. Gertrude, the Heavenly Daughter, is said to be the Daughter of the Queen, Rosaria is surrounded by Man-Grubs that are reborn via her and there is actually a Man-Grub near Gertrude's cage. The Queen is said to have several Heavenly Children and the Queen is also compared to a Goddess of Fertility and Bounty(Gwynevere). Rosaria is considered a Goddess and the Queen was worshipped as a Goddess for sure. Another Child of the Queen is the Dancer of the Boreal Valley, how do we know this? Well, the Dancer's Soul gives another of Gwynevere's Miracles, Soothing Sunlight which explicitly states the Dancer is a member of the Old Royal Family, at least for the most part as in it's in her tree. So, how does this connect back the the Queen and Rosaria? Well, it's very much told this way with Miracles the Queen is the Daughter of Gwynevere, who was also her Maiden and carried on the stories of her Mother to her Children. This does make the most sense in comparison to her actually being Gwynevere, but, options. Rosaria's tongue though is still a mystery, I have no idea if her firstborn(presumably Lorian or Aldrich but... that has no evidence) stole her tongue and if that's the case, why. It could just be apart of the hellscape that is Dark Souls 3's lore.
So let's talk about the covenant, Rosaria's Fingers. As to why they are called as such, I am actually not sure and it honestly seems to hold no important to what I see. The member's of this Covenant have a prefix regarding names of specific finger's, somewhat. Yellowfinger is not really a finger. There's also the symbol for the covenant which is actually the Papal Cross of the Christian Religion and is the Emblem of the Pope, there is actually a Pope in Dark Souls 3 in the form of Sulyvahn but there seems to be no connection other than Aldrich being connected to Sulyvahn and that's really it. Rosaria's Fingers collect the tongues of their foes, which are the Way of Blue and Blades of the Darkmoon, two covenants that are explicitly connected to the Old Gods. Obviously, this tells us that Rosaria not only hates the Old Gods but it's possibly they are the ones that stole her tongue from her. Meaning her firstborn is most likely connected to the Old Gods, but as given before, that was obvious. It is either that or the Old Gods have disrupted her in some other way. In other aspects of the Covenant, Rosaria gives the option of Rebirth(or Respec'ing) which basically lets someone reallocate their skills, what implications this has in the universe is completely unknown and is probably just a way to make yourself stronger. You can rebirth yourself in-universe until you become a Man-Grub, and it's basically literally what the name implies. But the descriptions imply it might not be that simple. Some of them wield staffs that cast holy spear spells to protect Rosaria. Why she can do this is not clear, nor why it happens is not clear either. It doesn't seem that she hates her subjects or anything of the sort, so it could just be a curse she has given her abilities.
Rosaria doesn't really have a lot to her character, along with that she barely has lore, unfortunately and all that can be gathered aside from the only clearly stated things is guesswork and it's not that much fun. The only cut things that have come from her is a cut Boss Track related to her(interesting to note this track IS similar to the Dancer's who is interestingly not a Boss at first), whether she was the boss or not, is not clear.
Unfortunately, this seems to be all that Rosaria has to her but if you know anything else or want to correct some information for me please do so! I'll gladly edit something things and I might add more. My next post is hopefully going to be the Angelic Faith of Lothric and the Primordial Serpents.
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cinderflower · 1 year
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I always wanted more dark souls lore about Gertrude.
Based on John William Godward's "Oracle of Delphi"
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apenitentialprayer · 4 years
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Saint Gertrude the Great of Helfta
Litany to Saint Gertrude the Great (x)
Lord Jesus! In union with that love that drew Thee down upon the earth, and caused Thee to fulfill the work of our redemption, I offer Thee this prayer: Lord, have mercy. Lord have mercy. Christ, have mercy. Christ have mercy. Lord, have mercy. Lord have mercy. Christ, hear us. Christ, graciously hear us. God, the Father of Heaven, have mercy on us. God, the Son, Redeemer of the World, have mercy on us. God, the Holy Spirit, have mercy on us. Holy Trinity, one God, have mercy on us. Holy Mary, pray for us. All you holy Choirs of Angels, pray for us. All you saints and elect of God, pray for us. Saint Gertrude, pray for us. Thou chaste virgin, pray for us. Thou beloved daughter of the Heavenly Father, pray for us. Thou chosen bride of Jesus Christ, pray for us. Thou temple of the Holy Spirit, pray for us. Thou fragrant flower in the hand of Jesus, pray for us. Thou ever-blooming spring flower, pray for us. Thou rose without thorns, pray for us. Thou chaste dove without the stain of sin, pray for us. Thou earthly seraph, pray for us. Thou living sanctuary, pray for us. Thou strong protection of all who venerate thee, pray for us. Jesus Christ, Spouse of Saint Gertrude, have mercy on us. Through her humility, have mercy on us. Through her charity, have mercy on us. Through her untiring patience, have mercy on us. Through the ardent love she bore Thee, have mercy on us. Through the delight with which Thou didst dwell in her heart, have mercy on us. Through the love Thou hast for her, have mercy on us. Through the love with which Thou hast chosen her from eternity, have mercy on us. Through the love with which Thou didst so sweetly attract her to Thyself, have mercy on us. Through the love with which Thou so delightfully unite her to Thyself, have mercy on us. Through the love with which Thou so complacently dwelt in her heart, have mercy on us. Through the love with which Thou didst end her life with a happy death, have mercy on us. Through the love with which Thou hast conferred on her eternal life, have mercy on us. Through the love with which Thou lovest and rejoicest all the Blessed, have mercy on us. Jesus Christ, have mercy on us. Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world, spare us, O Lord. Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world, graciously hear us, O Lord. Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world, have mercy on us. Pray for us, O holy virgin Saint Gertrude, that we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ. Let Us Pray: O Lord Jesus, by the love Thou didst bear to the virginal heart of Saint Gertrude, and by which Thou hast promised that no sinner who would honor and love her should die a sudden and unprovided death, grant me, I beseech Thee, this grace, and let me so love Thee, and repent of my sins, that with faith and confidence I may expect a happy death. O God, Who in the heart of the holy virgin Gertrude didst provide for Thyself a pleasing abode: through her merits, do Thou cleanse from our hearts every stain of sin, and grant that we may enjoy fellowship with her forevermore. Through Our Lord Jesus Christ Thy Son, Who lives and reigns with Thee and the Holy Spirit, one God, a world without end. Amen.
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bountyoflight · 4 years
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☀️ Bounty of Light is an organization dedicated to resisting captivity and promoting mutual aid, connection, and equality in the society of Isola Radiale.  Our office is located in the Archimedes Ward, near the Spirale Hole.
☀️ Our mission is based on two guiding principles: warmth and illumination.  We strive to connect newcomers and those in need to resources, and to document information about our captors and this island.
☀️ Bounty of Light was established by Lothric and Lorian of the Lothric bloodline, from Lothric Kingdom in the world of Lordran.  They dedicate this organization to their sister, Gertrude, the Heavenly Daughter, Prophetess and founder of the Angelic Faith.  It is named for the healing miracle she granted her knights, Bountiful Light.
☀️ Bounty of Light is seeking volunteers to greet newcomers, starting next eclipse
☀️ Journalist positions open March 15, and the newspaper will start soon after
☀️ Resource Coordinator positions open April 5, and related services will start soon after
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“-You will find, Gertrude, that faith is the most powerful of arms. No shield can deflect its blows. No blade can parry it. Faith is powerful because it strikes on the brains of the men and convinces them to follow them, hypnotizing them like snakes do, but with the voice of an angel.- -Angels…- Gertrude sighs like a child listening to a great ballad. -Do they really exist, Eminence? Have you ever seen them?- Sulyvahn turns his lips at these words. Why are we talking angels now? A curious girl indeed, but unpredictable too. -It’s very important, for you.- -I too have the right for a miracle, don’t you believe? I spent my life in here… I too had dreams, what do you think?- She’s not a girl, she’s an open book. -Go ahead and talk, dear sister. Don’t be ashamed. Only the chapel walls are listening to us.-”
As the personal mentor to the young Prince Lothric, Pontiff Sulyvahn has his deal of authority on the city's inhabitants. One of them especially, a young handmaiden to the Queen – a Queen the Pontiff hates, as she has the heart of the man he loves – seems to feel for him the same way he does to His Majesty. But unlike the woman she serves, this handmaiden is gullible enough to serve a purpose in his plans. She has an interest in angels, it appears: what kind of religious figure would not want to help her get any closer?
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