#eodio

[flawlessflesh]

1,000 YEARS

#dungeon meshi #thistle #eodio #delgal #yaad #thistle dungeon meshi

[son-flower]

something something i think thistle would be more emotional at delgals life achievements than delgal himself

#my art// #dungeon meshi #dunmeshi #delicious in dungeon #thistle dunmeshi #delgal #lord delgal #eodio #sissle #king delgal #freinag #dont tag as ship pleaseeeee

[breegadey]

Delgals's reaction to Thistle pretty much killing his son is so funny

"Oh, Thistle 😓 Another tantrum, really?"

#no offense to delgal but i would have decked thistle in a heartbeat #brother5eva but we all have limits #dungeon meshi #dungeon meshi spoilers #delicious in dungeon #delicious on dungeon spoilers #delgal #eodio #posted

[dungeon-meshi-tournament]

Masterpost

#dungeon meshi #delicious in dungeon #best parental figure in the dungeon tournament #eodio #eodio melini #milsiril #milsiril of the house of tol

[edoro]

so for a while i've been kind of idly wondering What Actually Happened With Eodio Anyway

because when Thistle whaps his soul out of his body, it's pretty clearly intended to be a temporary timeout - cool your head, cool your temper, etc, he's obviously not intending for it to be permanent

but obviously it was, because Eodio's empty body just. sits there. until eventually Delgal takes it over and uses it to escape to the surface. (haunting to imagine Yaad growing up having family dinners where 'his parents' consist of his mother and His Father's Empty Soulless Husk, also)

so what happened? did Thistle just forget? did he decide he didn't want to? did Eodio wander off and Thistle couldn't find his soul? once he'd separated soul from body, did Thistle realize he didn't know how to put Eodio back?

well, this may have been obvious, but i found my answer!

THIS is the very next page, and you can see that in the middle there, the lion licks Thistle's hand

so what if Thistle was thinking something like, "ugh, and i have to put Eodio back sometime soon" in that moment, and then when the lion had his little lick, had just schlurped that right out, and that's what Thistle feels like he's forgetting at the end there?

#sorry eodio! sorry yaad and delgal! sorry eodio's nameless wife and mother! #he forgor. #dunmeshi #thistle #dunmeshi spoilers

[meefy]

I've talked about codependency and how it presents in Hunter x Hunter, and now I want to talk about how it presents in Dungeon Meshi - specifically between Thistle and Delgal.

Thistle, from the start, is in a perfect place to be taken advantage of and manipulated. He was taken from his family as a child, and he knows nothing about his past, not even his name. His sole purpose is to be there as a fool to entertain those with power. Delgal's father names him and raises him like a "son" and a "brother" to Delgal...but let's be honest, there is nothing normal or "brotherly" about how Delgal and Thistle interact here:

Thistle is not an equal with Delgal. From Delgal's perspective, Thistle is court magician and confidante, the one who can save his life and his kingdom. I certainly don't see Delgal considering Thistle a "friend" or member of the family. Perhaps when he was younger, but definitely not as an adult. Some of the earlier interactions between Thistle and Delgal as the latter grows up might have been sweet - sneaking food to share, talking about Delgal's marriage - but that sweetness quickly turns sour when we see how Delgal treats Thistle when the elf cannot be of use to him.

There is a tremendous amount of pressure on Thistle's shoulders. He knows Delgal's love for him is conditional; we can argue that Delgal yelled at him in a moment of desperation, but the fact that Thistle later feels the need to apologize (for...not being able to make Eodio defy death?) tells me he's used to asking Delgal for forgiveness where there is nothing logically to forgive.

Delgal, however, offers heaps of praise for Thistle when he keeps his kingdom and people safe.

Delgal needs Thistle to maintain rule of his kingdom and keep Eodio alive, and in turn, Thistle needs to be needed to feel fulfilled and useful. Thistle is Delgal's codependent, and Thistle has misconstrued putting aside his own wants and interests (his Adventurer's Bible page lists his likes and dislikes as "Nothing") in favour of serving Delgal and only Delgal. Thistle craves the affection he receives in return, and who can blame him? He has no family to speak of, no connections to the world outside of Delgal. Praise from Delgal is all Thistle lives for - and so he pours himself into creating the dungeon, keeping his people safe to the point of immortality.

So when Delgal and Eodio begin to talk about leaving, it's understandable that Thistle reacts so violently. If he can't protect his people, he can't earn Delgal's affection and praise. He is too deeply entrenched into the role of dungeon lord - the role of Lunatic Magician - to see that the dungeon is falling apart, and that Delgal probably long regrets asking Thistle for help.

Thistle is so obsessed with protecting Delgal and earning his love that he maintains this obsession for an entire millennium. Mithrun eventually tells him that Delgal is dead, to set his people free, and Thistle is in complete denial. He continues to search for Delgal even after learning the truth from Mithrun. He is so panicked about finding Delgal and proving that Mithrun is lying that he is driven to self mutilation.

Thistle's love for Delgal is not "true" love - it is obsession. But, in turn, Delgal's "love" for Thistle is not true love, either. Delgal would not have placed blame on Thistle for his son dying, would not have praised his use of dark magic, would not have placed the weight of his life on Thistle's shoulders...had he truly, purely loved Thistle. And I think Yaad knows this, because, when Thistle finally "reunites" with Delgal, he gives Thistle the apology and accountability the elf never got at any point during his life. He's sorry he made Thistle worry, and he's sorry he placed so much weight on his shoulders...those are things Delgal likely never said to Thistle at any point in time, but that Thistle deserved to hear after a thousand years. And I think it's very telling that the apology he got from "Delgal" isn't from Delgal at all - because the real Delgal probably wouldn't have apologized to Thistle in the first place.

I know there's some debate about whether or not Thistle is dead at the end of Chapter 96. But I am of the belief that yes, he is - that after finally being freed from the burden of needing to earn approval and protect everyone, and hearing Delgal apologize for it all, Thistle is at last able to rest peacefully.

#meefymeta #dungeon meshi #dunmeshi #dungeon meshi spoilers #thistle dungeon meshi #sissel dungeon meshi

[room-surprise]

How Old Is Thistle?

(EDIT: I've made a follow-up post to this one that goes deeper into the math and additional evidence that the 5:1 ratio is correct. You can read it here!)

I've seen people debating this and a lot of folks insisting that Thistle is a child, and since Thistle just debuted in the anime, I wanted to do a full write-up to help myself and others figure this out.

We don't know how old any of the Merini family members are exactly, so the best we can do is guess based on the information we have, but after carefully studying the manga, I think Thistle is at least a teenager, but much more likely a young adult, and definitely not a prepubescent child.

Here's what we know:

EDIT: Depending on what translation you read of some of the extra materials, Freinag implies that Thistle is the same age as some of his advisors.

Here's a detailed translation of this panel from my friend Fumi:

Elves age 5 times slower than tall-men.

16 year old tall-men in Dungeon Meshi's medieval time period are adults, they commonly join the military, get married, have children, etc.

An 80 year old elf is an adult. Pattadol is 82 and she's a lieutenant in a military unit. It's her first job and she's obviously a rookie, but Captain Flamela tells Pattadol to accomplish her mission or die trying.

Many fully adult elves look like what we might consider children or young teens, because they're short, petite, and have androgynous features.

An average elven adult is around 150-155cm tall (5 ft), meaning some are shorter than that, and some are taller. Thistle is 130 cm, which is short, but not unheard of.

Fleki is 130 (26) years old and she's 140 cm tall (4'7")

Otta is 137 (27) years old and she's 130 cm (4'5") tall, the same height as Thistle!

They are both women, but there's probably plenty of elven men in their height range.

Just so we can compare Thistle to some adult elven men, Mithrun and his brother are probably adults (or close to it) in the panel on the left.

Mithrun (in this image) is somewhere between 75 and 144 (probably in his 80's), and his brother is older than him (so he could be in his late 80s or 90s). As you can see, they don't look that different from Thistle, Otta or Fleki.

So, how old is Thistle?

(Spoilers below the cut)

Thistle was brought to the royal court as a child (found on the street, stolen or purchased, we don't know how they got him). At the absolute youngest I'd guess Thistle is 25 years old here (so about 5 years old for a tall-man.) He can already play the flute, and possibly the lute, and most children that aren't prodigies can't handle playing an instrument (physically or mentally) until they're around 5.

EDIT: We now know that Thistle is the same age as Freinag, the king that takes him in! So Thistle must be at least 25 years old in this comic, though realistically he could be anywhere from 25 to 40 based on how Kui drew Freinag.

He lived in the court for an unknown amount of time, Freinag hasn't changed much but Thistle appears to have aged a little, so let's say it's been 5 years and Thistle is 30 (6) when Delgal is born. More than 5 years could have passed, but I'm trying to keep the numbers low.

Delgal gets married and has a child. Delgal should be at least 15 at this point, but since he has a full mustache before his wedding, I think he's in his 20's, since teenagers tend to not be the best at growing robust facial hair.

(He has a full beard by the time Eodio's a young child.)

Thistle puts the kingdom inside the dungeon around this point, however, people are still aging: Delgal's grandson Yaad is born, and Eodio is clearly a young adult here, probably in his 20's. Therefore, there is NO REASON to assume Thistle stopped aging. "The dungeon lords don't age" is a common fan headcanon I've seen people spreading, but it has no clear canon basis.

Yaad ages until he looks about 13-15 years old, and at this point all of the people of the kingdom and Thistle appear to stop aging, and 1,000 years pass.

So, the youngest Thistle could possibly be, if he was 30 (6) when Delgal was born, if Delgal was 15 when he had Eodio, and Eodio was 15 when he had Yaad, and Yaad is 13 years old...

Is 73 years old, which would make Thistle about 14.6 years old by tall-man standards.

HOWEVER, I think it's VERY unlikely that all the characters are that young.

I think it's clear from Kui's drawings that Delgal and Eodio are not 15 years old when they become fathers, and that Freinag is at least 25 when he takes in Thistle.

If we assume Thistle was 30 when Delgal was born, and Delgal and Eodio were both at least 20 when they had children, even if Yaad is only 13 years old, that makes Thistle at least 83 years old (16.6), and makes him older than Pattadol, who is an adult at 82.

However, I think it's entirely possible that Thistle was anywhere from 40-50 when Delgal was born, and Delgal could have been anywhere from 20 to 30 when he had Eodio, and Eodio could have been anywhere from 20-25 when he had Yaad. If you use the maximum ages, and assume Yaad is 15, then Thistle could be as old as 120 (24).

I think a reasonable middle ground is assuming Thistle was 30 (6) when Delgal was born, Delgal had Eodio at 25, Eodio had Yaad at 20, and Yaad is 15... Which would make Thistle 90 (18) years old.

This of course says nothing about Thistle's emotional maturity or sanity, he's obviously stunted in some ways, but the point I want to make here is:

Thistle's age could be anywhere from 14.6 to 24 at the most extreme, but more realistically he's somewhere between 16.6 and 18.

And that's not even counting the thousand years that he's lived since then!

And that's all I've got to say about that 🙏🙏🙏🙏

(EDIT: Follow-up post with additional evidence here.) EDIT 2: I've seen a lot of people talking about the page Kui drew talking about elven earmuffs. It's considered just barely okay for Pattadol to wear them, but it's ok for Thistle to wear them... In which case I'd say Thistle could be any age younger than 83. That's handy as it knocks out some of the older ages!

So in that case Thistle's age is between 73 years old and 82, which makes him developmentally between 14.6 and 16.4!

#dungeon meshi #delicious in dungeon #dunmeshi #dungeon meshi spoilers #Thistle #Thistle Merini #thistle dungeon meshi #thistle delicious in dungeon #sissel #spoilers #theories

[laikabu]

"by elf aging standards, hes probably still a ‘teen’ at this time, yet delgal put all the weight on him like an adult" delgal probably did treat them like an adult, might have even thought they were an adult. After all they helped take care of him as a baby, and then were both raised together. While it may be easy to change your viewpoint from "adult" to "peer", I can't imagine going from "adult to "peer" to "child/teen"

ngl im not sure what youre trying to say. i was just thinking that it can be interpreted as an unintentional allegory to the adultification of brown children. delgal would think thistle is an adult, but thistle himself is objectively not. elf adulthood is 80. from the birth of delgal to young eodio dying, thistle was 50-60 at most(thistle was so young when he was brought into the castle that he didnt even know his parents)

it doesn’t have to *actually* do anything with adultification, but thats the thing about art, the text can have diff interpretations.

at the same time i wouldnt undermine kui’s writing skill too much. after all, i’m from an asian country in the global south and i’m familiar with this phenomenon that happens the most in the west

edit: ah you were agreeing LOL my bad!

#ask

[mobpsycho100fan]

Eodio looks like he's the one who gave birth 😭

#dungeon meshi

[thenixkat]

The people of the Golden Kingdom say they are ride or die for their new king. What's a little cannibalism for the greater good?

Also given that they're still alive over a year later I'm going to assume that the end of Thistle's spell doesn't mean they're going to fade into dust but rather that they actually get to age and die when their time comes.

More likely since Eodio wouldn't have survived to adulthood without Thistle's spells that's probably more why his body dusted on the surface.

#nix meows #dungeon meshi #spoilers

[birqie]

aAAAAAAAAAAAAA te odio leonardo t eodio odio a ese niño 

#* 𝔶𝔬𝔲𝔫𝔤 𝔥𝔢𝔞𝔯𝔱 ╱ ooc. #pero amamos a alexander

[dungeon-meshi-tournament]

Since we're in between Mother's Day and Father's Day, it's time for the

Best Parental Figure in the Dungeon Tournament

This is the masterpost for the tournament. I'll pin it and update it with every new round, so you'll be able to find all polls easily.

The rules are very simple: You just vote for whichever character you think is a better parental figure, and the character with the most votes advances to the next round.

Finale:

Chilchuck's wife vs Gillin (Chilchuck's wife won)

Delgal vs Mrs. Floke (Mrs. Floke won)

Previous rounds under the cut

Semi-finals:

Chilchuck's wife vs Delgal (Chilchuck's wife won)

Mrs. Floke vs Gillin (Gillin won)

Quarter finals:

Chilchuck's wife vs Mother Touden (Chilchuck's wife won)

Delgal vs Milsiril (Delgal won)

Mrs. Floke vs Maizuru (Mrs. Floke won)

Gillin vs Marcille's mother (Gillin won)

Round 1:

Chilchuck vs Chilchuck's wife (Chilchuck's wife won)

Mother Touden vs Father Touden (Mother Touden won)

Freinag vs Delgal (Delgal won)

Eodio vs Milsiril (Milsiril won)

Mr. Floke vs Mrs. Floke (Mrs. Floke won)

Maizuru vs Toshitsugu (Maizuru won)

Gillin vs Zon (Gillin won)

Donato vs Marcille's mother (Marcille's mother won)

#dungeon meshi #delicious in dungeon #mother's day #father's day #tournament #poll #tumblr poll #masterpost #best parental figure in the dungeon tournament

[luvejoy-blog]

ooc ! 

#♡ 𝐭𝐚𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐬 𝐥𝐢𝐤𝐞 𝐬𝐮𝐧𝐥𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭. ╱ ooc. #amigos tumblr no me deja mandar ims #por eso no les he hablado por ahí para las conex :( #i've been trying !!! #y no me deja #t eodio tumblr siempre me haces lo mismoOOOOOOO

[im-sorry-for-being-stupid]

Intento cambiar, pero no puedo, por lo menos, no solo.

#depresion #triste #mal #eodio #estar #en #casa