Hi! I don't know if I'm onto smg but I took some notes about the box's poem in The Winchesters, bc I felt like there was something weird in the way it seems to be a direct message to us...
Thought I'd share it here - those are unorganized thoughts, I will maybe go further into it later.
Follow the path of I toward Heaven
Second spot is four less seven
Find the fourth behind Hells door
Six suns set on the Western floor
I will always lead you there
Ending the darkness that we all fear
What is this referring to? (besides the obvious aka the way to open the box)
• Heaven is where Dean is currently, and maybe he wants to lead us there bc this is ultimately where is the thing he wants to show us
• "The path of I" - the way it implies "I" is a god-like entity, or God, even, who lives in Heaven. Spn has established God = the narrator so what if "I" here is the narrator?
• Imagine if numbers = spn seasons - s4 & s7 - s4 introduced Castiel (ohoh!) and 7 is the whole Leviathan and Godstiel thing, it's when Dean and Cas get sent in Purgatory. So - s4 less s7, means Castiel's arc story without his descent in madness? s7 is known to be the worst season for most - on a meta level: what would've happened if the situation had been different? What spot would they be in if s7 didn't happen ? What if Chuck didn't write it this way? idk
→ it's less like s7 and more like s4 ? will we get the thrill of this 1st meeting? given that TW tells the story of John & Mary's meeting - mirroring Cas/Dean meeting (cf the entrance scene in trailer), it's kind of a retelling of that story - second spot = second show, second story, we're getting back to that s4 moment, w less of s7 nonsense? or w/o s7 Cas & Dean separation?
s7 also first meeting w Charlie who had the other most brutal BYG of the show
Other interesting things abt s7: Dean forgives Cas, Bobby gets hurt, Dean sent back in time, the "facing your fears" episodes, intro of Kevin Tran, Sam haunted by Lucifer, etc...
But the main thing about s7 to me is how it ends w Purgatory AND the fact Cas wasn't planed to be a series regular this season (tvline 20th may 2011 see fr wiki)
• "find the fourth behind Hell's door",wow, if number = season, s4 being sent in Hell, like, the whole Castiel arc being sent to hell bc of the ultimate choices made in last season by writers/Chuck - also s4 starts w Dean in Hell, being raised from Hell by Castiel
• Six suns set on Western floor - idk yet
- Sun: positive, light, warmth
Sunset : Dean driving in sunset
Sun setting: ending of day
- 6, 6 like what? dean + sam + cas + mary + john + jack: family?
6 main chars: Mary, John, Carlos, Latika, Ada, Millie
6 writers ? (which)
obv 6= hexagon (box shape)
Random: 6= Dream Theater, 6th song of second disc Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence: following 6 chars w diff mental illnesses
Aristotle's 6 elements of tragedy : plot (mythos (which means LIE lmao)), character (ethos), diction (lexis) , thought (dianoia), spectacle (scenic effect) (opsis), song (music) (melos)
In religion: seraphs have 6 wings, 6 points of David star, creation in 6 days, is "perfect number"
Also: virgo 6th astroloical western sign, sixth sense, us army radio call sign (rainbow six),
- western, cowboy hats
western: america? Hollywood ? western canada: Vancouver? idk
• I will always lead you there : Dean/Jensen saying "this is where I want this story to go, that's the plan"
• Ending the darkness that we all fear - in text the darkness we all fear is death, pain, suffering, and facing our sins, basically. The poem on a litteral level says tge suns/positive stuff will end death and suffering that demons represent. This much is obvious. You can't end death though, it's a natural thing that's meant to happen. Unless you're in a story and your death has been wrongly written UH OH we got something there ! 👀
• The darkness could very well be the Empty / bad writing / homophobia on a meta level. We all fear it, "we" the audiance, the queer audiance that's been here since s4. We all feared queerbaiting and Cas' death and Dean's death and that's what happened in spn. Jensen / Dean tells us, if he's speaking here, "fear not my gays, all will be well because this fear of yours is over, we're going to fix it, to cast the darkness (death & separation of those chars) away.
Note about the runes in the picture:
- ingwaz/ing (associated with Yngvi/Freyr - fertility god, commands rain and sun light, brother of Freyja goddess of love (and according to me goddess of shipping lol) ) / means protection
- not an original futhark - means energy, maybe a combination of the o and r of a latin version of the futhark / also looks like a reverse fehu + raidō (f and r) - I am not knowledgeable enough to trace its origins.
I am no expert I'm guessing by the look of the letters but go see the Wikipedia page.
In internet esoteric culture it's protection and energy.
Given that we know Richard is returning maybe foreshadowing Loki/Gabriel.
I don't know if it's right I just laid my thoughts randomly, it is not a completed work. The whole thing just sounds like Jensen/Dean talking directly to us about his plan in narrating this story, it makes a clear parallel between John and Mary and Dean and Cas, and also he takes Chuck's place here, in a way, and is going to set the record straight on it all, fix some wrongs, give a new frame of reference for reading spn, you know what I mean? Goes along with the whole "I'm chosing the music"/" the main villain is a DJ", etc, implying Dean is becoming the driver of the whole narrative. It's all very symbolic and I'm really liking the level of meta here.
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Some thoughts on Misha’s panel, Bury Your Gays, pre-covid script, the CW, etc.
I understand why Misha feels the way he feels about Castiel’s confession. It was bold, it was brave, and he’s not toning it down (homosexual declaration of love). It did help save the world.
Was it Bury Your Gays? Yes, and no, and maybe.
When 15x18 came out, many people (particularly outside the fandom) said it was BYG, and we said: you have to wait, because nothing stays dead on Supernatural. Being BYG or not depended on how it would play out it the plot/ending of SPN, on specifically two things: 1) if Cas would come back, and 2) what would be made of his declaration
So, we know he came back. He technically did. But he didn’t really come back to the story, and in that way, he stayed “dead”. As someone else (can’t remember who) already put it brilliantly, it wasn’t “bury your gays”, but worse: write your gays off the story. But... was it always supposed to be this way? We don’t know, but we have good reason to doubt it. We have:
- The view of Stanley Park, Vancouver (via @occamshipper)
- Misha being away from his family (couldn’t locate the post for this one, sorry)
- The way Misha spoke about Dean’s death scene like if he was there when they filmed it (via @heller-jensen)
- The fact that there was a pre-covid script and Castiel’s end was different. The fact that he doesn’t know if he can spill “state secrets” about the original ending. ( in my opinion, bullshit. He would have asked by now if he can tell or not. I think he can’t tell us, either cause he doesn’t want to harm J2, or bc of something in his contract, but he looks like we wants to, re: “what are they gonna do, fire me?” )
- Mark Sheppard a few seasons ago telling how they would shoot stuff and later edit and air a drastically different thing (via @thylaa)
- (arguable) angel with a shotgun and the night we met (again, couldn’t locate the post for this one, but you know which one)
- (arguable) In a way, the “narrative evidence” that told us this was not how things were supposed to be (via @winchestersingerautorepair)
So I guess I understand Misha’s hesitation. There’s a lot of reasons to believe this ending wasn’t what he thought would be the ending. And there’s reason to think he can’t clear it up for us.
To be fair I still don’t really know what to think. I feel like there’s still a lot we don’t know (and I also have some reasons to think 15x20 as we saw it was the plan all along, I’ll make a post for that later). But wanted to make a small recap.
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