#but she didnt kill him that is paris and apollo

[adriles]

I’m curious which war crimes you do and don’t approve of

i enjoy any war crime induced by rage, racking up a ton of kills, maiming every enemy combatant in sight. only shitheads kill in attempt to live up to the heroism of others

#thinking about malouf’s ransom specifically here lol #when he writes achilles’ having a vision of priam’s death at the hands of neoptolemus #with the attempt of avenging his father. but their is nothing to avenge. same with polyxena #in hecuba they have it be tbat achilles’ spirit comes before neoptolemus and tells him to kill her to return #but i could just be a euripides hater with the exception of his helen play but. that doesnt sit right with me #it is to appease the wind in the same way iphigenia was to appease the gods #it was bound to happen anyways. but it is upon achilles’ grave as neoptolemus again sees himself as avenging his father #it is an unsatisfying act. all that killing for the sake of achilles #sure u can be like. polyxena led him to the gates #but she didnt kill him that is paris and apollo #but paris is already dead so who is left for neoptolemus to target as his father’s avenger #it is a role without any use. it is pointless. #and when we see achilles in the odyssey he barely cares about the news of his own son beyond odysseus saying yeah he is chilling #it is more to lament his own suffering #i dont think achilles cares in the end about neoptolemus. he is just a boy like his father bred for war and desperate #for purpose and attachment #beyond that tho. i dont think achilles would approve of killing priam like that is the main thing #he is not above violence to the man. he threatens him in book 24. but in the end there is a respect there. for the grief and loss they share #malouf writes about the shame that follows neoptolemus after everything #and i think that is a far more poignant thing than disappointment from the father you barely know #to carry the weight of your actions knowing that your father would so differently #again achilles is a piece of shit and would do the same if not worse in his son’s place #but in his place toward priam he wouldnt. and neoptolemus reaps that destruction anyways #this is long winded the point is the shame rather than the actual disapproval of war crimes lol #i will say i dont think achilles’ rage and revenge is to the same level. he laments after patroclus died that it hurts more than he thought #because he would think losing a father or son to be more heartbreaking #but no it is the loss of the equal and confidant that hurts the most #but neoptolemus never knew his father. this isnt for his father’s personal sake it is for his legacy + where neoptolemus will end up with it #and therein lies the difference. they have that familial bond but no real connection #ask

[eternalera]

achilles was doomed the moment he met patroclus :>

you guys ever stop and think that achilles was meant to die the MOMENT he met patroclus. i mean think about it for a second. in the iliad achilles was persistent in not fighting until agamemnon begged him to and agamemnon REFUSED to beg. if achilles didnt meet patroclus then he wouldn't have fought. he most likely would've left troy and went back to pythia bc he was THAT pissed at agamemnon. he wouldn't have killed hector, so apollo (paris shot him but lets be honest he didnt do shit) wouldnt have killed him.

now if you think of it in tsoa terms he knew that he was going to die if he killed hector. so he just wouldnt have killed him anyways. his mother wouldve probably told him and she probably did in the actual reading (at least i think she did) and achillles probably would've never killed him during the war. then agamemnon would disgrace him, not beg, and achilles would go off.

BUT since achilles met patroclus, found him as a friend and then lover bc lets be honest they were hella gay for each other he then got mad when hector killed him. mad enough to go back into fighting kill hector and then get killed himself.

what a gay ass love story

#achilles #patroclus #homer #patrochilles #the iliad #the song of achilles #gay #tsoa #tragic #ouch #honestly tho #tragic love story #inevitable #fates #fate #i love them sm why must they die :(

[streets-in-paradise]

And i like Briseis, she is wonderful ! , but just imagine movie without her... Just boys!

I think that the main narrative flaw of the movie is that it didnt do much with the girls. I understand that it focus on the fighting, but they could have done much more with them. Helen, for example. They hinted and created for her a backstory of abuse that wasnt explored. ( In the sparta scenes Menelaus shows abusive behaviour, but no one adresses this again. Hector adressing her as Paris's prize when he is arguing with Priam after their arrival to Troy is an example. Hector was in Sparta, he witnessed this behaviours and he still is going to think that Helen escaped only as his brother's prize?? This girl wanted to run the hell away from her husband and Hector is a smart man, he knows that it was more than a whim of Paris)

I love Briseis, the scene where she shuts everyone up in Agamemnon's tent is awesome. What i would have liked for her is more development of her relationships with her family, more time to bond with Patroclus and have a bit of the friendship they developed in the source ( like in the illiad she feels trully sorry for his death and he was the kindest presence of the camp). One more thing is more emphasis in her Cassandra like characterization.

Imagine that Briseis became a priestess because she wanted to get the gift of prophecy and thought that serving Apollo was the best route for it. Give me a bit of the grimm Cassandra vibe and despite she is so sweet and a very kind girl, make her be a bit of the loved weirdo of her family.

Think in the film canon's characterization: she is fearless to speak her mind, she has very clear moral standpoints and she shows an impressive courage. In a culture as deeply religious as the trojan shows to be ( think on hector being conditionated by the choices of the priests) the gift of prophecy could mean power to her voice. Briseis could have ambitioned to be listened, to reach the highest position that a woman could in the hierarchy of religious circles.

Achilles said to her in their meeting scene " You have spent years talking down to men." ... What if it was more than a guessing joke? It is mostly an addition to her unexplored past, but it explains a few things about them. After all, in the film Briseis seemed to have noticed that she fell for him after discussing religious philosophy.

This is just one idea for a possible point using the Cassandra route that the movie hinted for her when they made her a trojan princess and a priestess. The Cassandra connection is also hinted in her dynamic with Agamemnon. She killing him instead of Clytemnestra feels like a revenge for Cassandra's fate in the source texts ( and I love it )

She has the Cassandra vibes.

#asks #messages #troy 2004 #briseis #rose byrne

[jennrypan]

Part 2

Why is marinette there again?? WAit this is career day! I remembered.

And oh Ice cream man lore, neatio, more lore than we'll get off the miraculous' HA-

Also Luka you seriel killer mf- it woulda be hilarious if she flipped him like she did chat- like a gag of dont sneak up on Marinette cuz you'll get the big yeet-

But bruh he mad scary tf but hes so bright blue. Am i seein shrimp colors now??

Also chocolate chips!!! Chat noir idc. She loves him as chat bye

As Luka terrifies me his eyes will haunt me until I die. Save me. Also. Making ..of string instruments?? Isnt there a w o r d for that?? Luka himbo supremacy confirmed??

And aight he goes to another school but. I liked him being a year older idk. Also marinettes preetty.

And alec why tf- dont bully children- and are people just gonna read alec and make him rethink his life choices?? I woulda slapped tf outta his hand if he started roastin my job tbh. Good on paris for bein nonviolent people

Also what Luka what? What the fuck is with the wind. Is god giving him the power to play any music?? Apollo? No hes not the god of music, ..i forgot who is. Anyways!

What the fuck Luka, are you a god? Also. Push him in the water marinette itll be funny, but dont cuz hes also a good friend!

And ADRIEN BOY I LOVE YOU PLEASE ILL KICK GABRIELS FUCKING ASS. Hes a loser. Hes ugly and hes a loser and he sucks and he has no purpose and hes a big bitch ass hoe.

Also they spoke at the same time that means theyre soulmates. Adrien has TWO hands. They alll have two hands

Also Luka please get eyeliner..or eyelashes also STRING INSTRUMENT MAKER?? THERES A WORD ISNT THERE?!

Also. Marinette chatting with Adrien!!!! Normally and relating!! Amd Luka is a really good therapist. Hes a god- hes magically-

Also he just said "Adrien i can hear the depression inside you bruh but youre still kind but you and Marinette are blind as shit."

Also. Yall can date each other.

Also. Butler Jean?? He has ambitions? That sounds terrible-

Also awe. Alec now 😭 i love your long hair!! Why is this makin me mad emotional. Alec im sorry for callin you baald.

Also. "A man who made bad choices because of the pressure of others" sounds uh..kinda..uh. Foreshadowy for my cat son?? Or like. A hit. A hint to what not to do. I have several points but i cant make them

Also. Gabriel lookin ugly as shit today and why is it..orange- are the colors Saturday? Saturated, thats why everyones bright?

Also. Wishmaker is the prettiest akuma, idc. No one can change my mind and also cuz i dont remember what the akumas looked like

Also lmao hi Santa also hi deadbeat british man! Youre a Scalie. Its okay Jagged,also. Does Luka already know?? Cuz god damn he came in clutch for coincidentally- nevermind- hes just really smart-

Also why is robot man tryna kill everyone what the hell-

And awesome ok they got lucaaa

And haha "savin the world with a stuffed animal" i like you

Also. "I didnt have any" GABRIEL POST UP RIGHT NOW. I JUST WANNA TALK 🔪 YOU BITCH

Also. Hhhh bad bad bad-

Also. Marinette looks cute and weird as thebfairy nitter

Also. Lukas close ups scare me-

Also. Lukas basically Flash- ALSO. WHY ARE THE PARENTS DIFFERENT?? PLEASE.

Gabriel close up feels me with rage. Hes fucking ugly as shit. Kill him, he doesnt pass the vibe check

Also. Ladybug didnt hear or see adrien?- huh-

Also. He looks traumatized- and lmao he gets hugged and defeated- thats so cute-

Hawkmoth how you feel knowin you were defeated by a dino stuffie? You LOSER.

And Banana man was the cucumber. I know he was, banana man was your lore? Banana man I wanna know you-

#j.p speaks #ml spoilers #wishmaker spoilers