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notademon10 · 16 days

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Kris CANNOT be the DR version of Chara. Here's why.

HELLO AGAIN

I just wanted to post this because it doesn't seem like people who defend this theory want to make Chara as sympathetic of a character as much as other Undertale and Deltarune characters. It's not like I don't understand where this is coming from, but I believe it misses out on key thematic points about the first fallen human that the game directly states at the end of the pacifist route.

First off, Asriel says "Frisk, you really ARE different from Chara. I don't know why I always acted like you were the same person. Maybe, the truth is... Chara wasn't really the greatest person. While, Frisk, you're the tipe of person I wish I always had."

This is a VERY important point, since it means that Chara is well, NOT the tipe of person Asriel should have always been with. That literally doesn't make much sense if you think that Chara IS Kris, because Asriel is just straight up admitting that hes shouldn't have had Kris as a sibling AT ALL. Which is weird, because in DR, KRIS is the one who is characterized as having too little time with their older brother. Even in the past, when they were a kid, they wanted to hang out with the 'big kids', only to get rejected. They even bought them burgers, on their own!

Ok, but this doesn't take into account the fact that UT Chara has been shown to be the worst version of themselves! Perhaps Kris is a reformed, different version of them?

That's a really good point, actually! Unfortunately, I have a pretty big counterevidence, which just so happens to be the same thing that made me want to make this post, which is: BALLGAME

More specifically, there is a description for the red trait, (which is, of course, Chara's main trait) that reads as follows:

"Try as you might, you will always be yourself"

What does this mean? That Kris should always be Chara, and Chara will always be Kris. Which CAN'T be the case, because of Asriel's dialogue...

Also, Chara says that everytime a number increases (including LOVE), that feeling... That's them. This ties to the red trait because Paps implies in a phone call that it's actually love. It also ties to the fact that the mirrors in the no mercy route, or the LOVE route, if you will, say: It's me, Chara. This is contrasted by the fact that in the pacifist route (or Love route), they actually say: Still just you, Frisk.

This is doubled down by the fact that Frisk's stick is useless for attacking, but VERY useful for acting sometimes, as well as having the bandage equiped secretly guarantees a chance to run away in the first turn (remember how Sans says that everytime you run, Frisk smiles?). There's also the theme of flirting and dates through the route, which has to come from Frisk, because you can flirt with Toriel. It wouldn't make sense if it was Chara's input, because they had her as a mother figure which they likely respected, given how both of them greet you with "Greetings".

All of this to say that Frisk is linked to love while Chara is linked to violence and hate. This doesn't mean one can't feel the other, but more so that they're strongly associated with one specific aspect of LOVE. This ALL culminates into the likelyhood that Chara wanted to do a no mercy route on the humans. This will be relevant later.

I would also like to mention Kris' relationship with Susie. You see, even all the way back in the new girl story, Kris seemed to weirdly care for her (with them never telling Toriel about Susie's bullying). As a matter of fact, I actually have already made a post full of evidence that Kris has a crush on her! See here!

Soo, what's the point? The fact that Susie's bullying doesn't get in the way of Kris feeling empathy towards her, unlike Chara who most likely wanted to do something similar to the no mercy route to the humans, for abusing them, of course. They blamed the ENTIRETY of mankind for the abused they endured. Now, I DO NOT KNOW what kind of abuse they endured, but their inability to move on is somdthing to be considered. After all, Chara will ALWAYS be themself, no matter what.

THIS is why I believe that Kris isn't DR Chara. If you have any piece of counter evidence, PLEASE let me know. As always, share, like and follow this account if you found me helpful in any way. Have a good day :)

#undertale #deltarune #kris dreemurr #chara #frisk dreemurr #asriel #susie deltarune

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suzyundertale · 4 years

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tumblr user suzyundertale makes a post about Suzy from Undertale

Suzy masterpost, because people need to pay more attention to Suzy. This is not a theory post, but more of a collection of information on what we currently know about the Undertale character Suzy. Of course, due to the nature of Suzy as a very mysterious character, there will be slight speculation, but hopefully it’s clear what is canon and what isn’t.

Section One: The Beginning

When Undertale first released, there was very little that we knew of the character “Suzy”. Even less than what we know now, which is impressive. The only connection we had to her was word of mouth from an NPC with no name, but known in the files simply as “clamgirl”, found in Waterfall if your “Fun” value is between 80 and 89.

When you first talk to her, she says the following:

* I'm visiting Waterfall from the city. * Synchronicity...? * My neighbor's daughter looks about your age. * Her name is "Suzy." * I feel like you two should be friends. * You have... * A neighbor's blessing!!!

(”Suzy” here is written in yellow text.)

Talking to her a second time:

* Not knowing where I live is no issue. * Fate finds a way.

And, finally, talking to her post-pacifist:

* So you never became friends with my neighbor's daughter. * Don't despair. * This world has infinite opportunities. * But there's a limit to the things you can do. * Accepting this is healthy. * Take my neighbor's blessing! * And consider this blessing for anything you like!

(She has more dialogue, but this is all that you really need to know.)

Section Two: The Patch

In January of 2016, a couple weeks after Toby made (and subsequently deleted) a tweet about he wanted to “start something else” in 2016, a something which we now know to be Deltarune, Undertale received its first major update - version 1.01.

Here’s the relevant information.

Toby made two very, very minor changes to Clamgirl’s post-pacifist dialogue. Here is the new dialogue, with changes bolded:

* So you never met my neighbor's daughter. * Don't despair. * This world has infinite opportunities. * But there's a limit to the things you can do today. * Accepting this is healthy. * Take my neighbor's blessing! * And consider this blessing for anything you like!

He changed “became friends with” to “met” - emphasizing the fact that Suzy is not a character you can meet in Undertale.

He also added the word “today”, to emphasize the fact that this does not mean Frisk will never be able to meet Suzy.

This wasn’t the only Suzy-related thing in the version 1.01 patch, however. The patch added a well-known line of dialogue to the lab behind Sans and Papyrus’ house. Normally, when you examine a certain drawer in the lab, you get this dialogue:

* (There's a photo album inside the drawer.) * (There are photos of Sans with a lot of people you don't recognize.) * (He looks happy.)

However, from version 1.01 onward, if you examine this drawer after having spoken to Clamgirl, you will get this dialogue instead:

* (There's a photo album inside the drawer.) * (There are photos of... Huh?) * (A card is sticking out from the back flap of the binder.) * (It's a poorly drawn picture of three smiling people.) * (Written on it...) * "don't forget."

Again, I’d like to emphasize that this dialogue only appears if you’ve spoken to Clamgirl, if you know who Suzy is. In this way, the phrase “Don’t forget” is intrinsically linked to Suzy.

So, from all of this, we can gather a few things about this mysterious “Suzy” character.

She is a girl around Frisk’s age.

She lives in the capital.

She has at least one parent (who happens to be Clamgirl’s neighbor.)

Frisk is, apparently, fated to meet her.

Despite this, it is impossible to meet Suzy in Undertale.

Sans’ photo album will have a card reading “don’t forget” only if you know who Suzy is.

Section Three: Fast Approaching

Did you think that was the only Undertale update that added cryptic Suzy-related dialogue?? Guess again!

Fast-forward to September 2018. Undertale has just been released on Nintendo Switch! Almost immediately, it is discovered that the Switch version added this:

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(excuse me posting my own video, but it’s really the best one on youtube...(side note; i’m not sure if she’s actually supposed to reappear when you exit and re-enter the room, that might be a side effect of me poorly emulating the game))

Anyway, this is what happens post-pacifist in the Switch version if your fun value is exactly 81. If it’s 82-89, Clamgirl has her regular dialogue from v1.01.

The Switch version of Undertale came out September (15 in Japan, 18 everywhere else) 2018 - A month and a half before the release of Chapter 1 of Deltarune. In hindsight, it’s obviously foreshadowing - but when you think about it, foreshadowing what?

A month later, we play Deltarune, and meet a brand new character named Susie. Not Suzy. (More on that distinction in a bit.) If that’s the case, why did Clamgirl claim that we were going to meet Suzy very soon?

Well, the answer is that we don’t know.

It’s important to consider what Clamgirl says from an in-universe standpoint. It’s easy to take this line as Clamgirl talking directly to us, the player, since she’s clearly hinting towards Deltarune - but in actuality, in the game, in-universe, she’s talking to Frisk. She’s telling Frisk that they’re going to meet Suzy very soon. It’s possible that, when it comes down to it, what Clamgirl said might not apply to us at all.

Section Four: Deltarune

In October 2018, Toby Fox not only released an entire demo for an entire new video game, but a video game with a major character named Susie. Not Suzy, but Susie???? What’s going on?

Since Deltarune seems to have an alternate universe thing going on, some people believe that Susie is simply the Deltarune universe’s version of Suzy. This is definitely a possibility, but there is also reason to believe that this may not be the case.

Deltarune also introduces a new character named Catti, who is Catty’s little sister. Like Suzy and Susie, their names are pronounced the same, but spelled slightly differently. This could be hinting at the difference between the two.

As it stands, however, we currently do not know the relation between Suzy and Susie, or if any even exists.

In any case, it is likely that Suzy will be a major part of the story of Deltarune, as the main theme of the game is called “Don’t Forget”.

Bonus: A Comment From Toby

To my knowledge, the only time that Toby has ever publicly spoken about Suzy is in this tweet, since deleted (not specifically, but because Toby wiped all his tweets before a certain date), from nine days after Undertale’s release:

Unfortunately, since we’ve lost the context, it’s difficult to know who exactly “yellow kid” refers to here. The tweet was most likely in response to speculation regarding Suzy’s identity. Since Suzy’s name is written in yellow when Clamgirl speaks about her, some people assumed that Suzy may be associated with the color yellow. “Yellow kid” could be referring to Monster Kid, Frisk, or the yellow human soul. (I’ve heard people say before that this tweet is specifically in response to people speculating about Monster Kid being Suzy, but I don’t know how true that is. If anyone has any proof of this claim, let me know!)

Conclusion

Generally, when you’re writing an analysis of a character, you’re able to say more than three facts about them. There is very little we can say about Suzy, however, without delving into pure baseless speculation. Hell, we know more about Gaster, who is generally regarded as the mysterious Undertale character.

It’s very likely that we will learn more about Suzy in the future, but right now, we don’t have much to go on. However, that also means we’re free to speculate pretty much anything we want. Essentially, until proven otherwise, Suzy is whoever you want her to be..!

#ut #undertale #deltarune #analysis #suzyposting #thats a tag now.#since my suzy tag is um. shitposts

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okradreamworl · 5 years

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i have too much sans rp experience you cant understand how this feels

i know every dialogue, every neutral ending,... ugh i just wanna spat out every evidence i have. i have a love/hate on sans. im NOT a fangirl, im more of an observer roleplayer. i do NOT support any sans x ships, but that doesnt mean i am against them. if you strongly hate that ship when im on the MIDDLE on that ship (meaning i dont mind the ship yet you’re still yelling at me to stick to one side), please know I SEE ALL OTPS AS FRIENDSHIPS. i do not like romanticized nor sexual types of ships. I do NOT RP SANS AS A PEDOPHILE OR OTHER NSFW LABELS. I like to make sans stick to the canon, but at the same time, add some headcanons that appear to be family friendly but NOT NSFW FANON. he can be childish at times and why? he doesn’t make jokes, stated on undertale’s tumblr. he only does harmless pranks and hilarious yet horrible puns. i hate puns, but i make him pun cause he likes it more than me.

his mood levels is very interesting. under the mask, he can feel many other emotions than what he expresses to us. im not saying he’s an empath (though that would be rlly cool yet stressful), but slacking off too much comes from too much bs happening around him, including the timelines. he fights back when necessary. he gets offended easily (unless he knows the memes).

too happy = hyper, OOC, many exclamation points, excited, kinda reaches the peak of underswap

happy = warm attitude, thankful, calm, peaceful,

neutral = in-game functions (papyrus did say “THATS JUST HOW HE FUNCTIONS” in a phone call at snowdin, he has lazy habits caused by the code of the game)

on negative emotions, he tries not to lose his cool:

nervous = sweat, silently surprised, somewhat a high level of anxiety, confused, curious

upset = disappointed, frustrated, agitated (mix of the two, nervous and upset), bored, sassy, sarcastic (when he ironically HATES sarcasm cause he thinks sarcasm is unfunny), mild words,

some deep ones, such as the MTT resort and judgment hall scenes

stoic = thoughtful, resilient, deep, calm, self-reflective, productive, creative

hands in pockets = confident, a little arrogant

left wink = bad time

right wink = friendly comedian

what i applied to him thus far:

out of character traits: playful, hyper, excited, childlike, forgetful type of innocent (“whats a [bad word]” “I tHoUghT yOu kNew?!!?!?!,” “no i forgot” “*alphys crying in the corner of confusion*”)

out of character acts: crying like a baby, screaming on wild rides, freaks out with a manly “HYaH!”, imitates animals, does his “ehhhhhhh” when gazing around, wanders around, waddles like a penguin, will hug you (like a kid that would hang on to their mother’s leg), doesnt wanna be left out, wants to try new things out of curiosity, complete mind of a child unless reminded of in-game events or other topics that could bring him back to normal, germophobic at times as woshua, meme surfing, gamer, good sport

in character, in-game traits: self-aware, relaxed. laid back, comedic, lazy, magical, goofy, silly, friendly deep, serious, scared, anxious, jealous, nilhilistic, hopeless. depressed, pressured, stressed.

in-character, in-game acts (and im not getting this from zarla’s old skeleton ACTs comic):

sneak

greet

trick

alert

annoy

pun

assure

joke warn

listen

spin

advice (blue stop sign)

guess

assure

tell

place puzzle

trick

react

papyrus fact

stare

papyrus fact

ask

react

worry

work

ask (grillbys)

slack

lie

ask (dinner)

story

Think

continue

Death Glare

Explain

Judge

call

root

text

cry (“help i’m getting slandered”)

text

dismiss

glimpse

leave

ride

at least, thats only pacifist.

my username is not sans worthy but i can tell you im a good sans roleplayer. heck, i even have my own sans who self-disciplines me, or i roleplay him myself irl. its harmless, cause he isn’t real. i affect his character more than his influence and traits affect me. i completely ruined him into a better person, he’s very happy now and got along more with his friends. i even made papyrus not yell at him anymore. i made these monsters have... a happy life.

any questions or concerns, pm or ask. also, if you see any undertale or deltarune chats, invite me. i know a lot about it, and have headcanons to share too.

if this post makes you think i outsans’d you, please dont look at it that way, otherwise you’re just jealous the same way as feeling how artists are better than you. we all have our ways how we view, act, and use characters like sans, as we all have an art style that can be unique and improved overtime, BOTH by inspiration from other fandom and art content. some rp his genocide side, some like me rp his bright side. this isn’t a canon character roleplay competition.

people can be so sensitive and raging mad sometimes, i dont mean to be so braggy or too honest, this is all from what i know about sans and how i rp him

#undertale #sans #sans undertale #undertale sans #sans the skeleton #my rp experience

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emile-hides · 6 years

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What kind of Monster are you?

Been a while sense I’ve written anything, and @gucciguccigarbage was telling me about this theory his friend Kinu had about the ending of Deltarune. I liked it a lot and wanted to write a little something for it, so I hope you like!

-Spoilers for Deltarune ahead obviously so be a good child and play the game first-

“Alright you two, game’s over.” Toriel gave her seventh warning before finally just pulling the cord from the TV, a harsh glare looking down on her two children as they both whined, groaned, and complained about how close they were to finishing the match if she’d just given them 5 more minutes.

Asriel, the older of the siblings, was Toriel’s only birth child. Just like her, he was a strong goat-looking monster. Tuffts of blond hair sprung from the top of his head, growing out from his normally snow white fur. And of course, he was growing a exclent pair of horns, which as of now where just a little taller than a typical human thumb.

Speaking of humans, Kris, the younger sibling, was now declaring a real fight with their brother. Kris was a human, healthy and a little short for their age, but not much smaller than Asriel. They wore a headband on their head with little red devil horns poking out from their dark brown hair.

The two siblings wrestled on the ground for a few moments before Toriel scooped both the children in under her arms, “I said bed! Now get in moving you two!!” The two squirmed themselves free and ran into the bathroom to brush their teeth. Asgore, their father, laughed strongly from his chair before getting a silencing glare from his wife.

Kris and Asriel raced upstairs. They raced everything, actually. Who could get dressed in PJs fastest, who could unmake their bed fastest, who could clean up the toys they should have cleaned up hours ago fastest. The competitions go on and on, and Asriel won them all. He’s the older brother after all.

Toriel knocked and entered the kid’s room to wish them goodnight, only to harshly scold them for again fighting around on the floor.

After a soft kiss each and good night prayers, the two were in bed, and the house was silent.

Kris woke around 3am, as has become the norm for them. Their body hurt, ached even. They felt hot and wobbly. They searched blindly for their headband in the dark.

“Here. I’ve got it.” Asriel’s voice spoke though the dark as he gently placed the hairband on their sibling’s head. He smiled, “Just like a monster.”

Kris smiled silently in the dark and hugged their brother, their previous fatigue completely gone.

“There’s my smiley Krissy.” Asriel snorted, earning a hard elbow from Kris, making him laugh even more. “Wanna go see how much pie we can sneak till mom wakes up?” Kris gave a quick nod and the two were downstairs in almost an instant, eating all the left over snail pie. Not Kris’ favorite, but still good.

“Kris?” Asriel glanced down at their sibling, who was being even more quiet than usual, “Hey, come on, mom wants you to smile in at least one picture. Can’t you do that for her?”

Kris didn’t look up. They simply stared at Asriel’s bare feet, sticking out from the graduation gown. It was so long, it dragged on the floor.

“Kris…” Asriel knelt, being much taller than his sibling by now, “Hey, I’m gonna visit like every break, you know that. And I’ll call every day. Text too, I promise.”

Kris stayed silent, looking away from their brother, their hair covering their eyes.

Asriel, too, fell silent. Kris had been slowly getting worse, speaking less and less, but they’d still always smile at him, at least. Asriel thought for a moment, then stood and ran off, leaving Kris to bury their hands in their pants pockets.

When suddenly, something was plopped on Kris’ head.

“Krissy, look what I found! Still fit despite that big ‘tater head of yours, see?” Asriel cheered, ruffling Kris’ hair. Kris, confused, removed the object from their head, to find… Cat ears? No… They were red and pointed. Horns. Just like a monster’s. Just like Asriel’s.

“I’ve been keeping them in my locker sense… Well sense you threw them away last year. I thought you’d eventually want them back.” Kris stared quietly at the horns. Asriel smiled and knelt beside Kris, putting the horns back on them with a smile, “They look so natural on you, ya know?”

Kris felt their eyes well up with tears, and they quickly hugged Asriel to hide them. Asriel smiled and hugged back, “I won’t be gone long, you know I won’t. So don’t be so sad, okay? You haven’t even congratulated me yet!”

“Kris, Asriel! Say Cheese!”

Kris lay in their empty bed. Their empty shelves covering the walls. They only possession an old wagon and a bird cage they found in the woods by that weird door.

Sleeping had become basically impossible. It was always so hot, so dark, so suffocating. Their soul burned with power.

Kris slowly got out of bed, but put no strength in their legs as they did. They simply collapsed onto the cool hardwood. It didn’t help much with the burning, but it was better than suffering in the sheets.

“Azzy…” They muttered into the floor, “Asriel. Az. Wake up Az…”

No answer of course. The other bed was empty, other than a pair of red horns.

“Azzy please…” They began to sob, pushing themselves from the floor and gripping their arm, “I-I’m not suppost to… Be here… In this body… am I Azzy?” they scratched at their flesh.

Flesh. Flesh and Blood. The body of a human.

Their soul burned as their HP scrolled down, less than 0.01 of HP at a time. But down it went, and every bit hurt.

Weeks seemed to pass of midnights spent scratching at their arms. The damage they did to themselves so minimal a piece of toast fully healed them, and Toriel never seemed to notice.

Eventually, the pain just wasn’t enough. The dull scratches felt like nothing. 2 hp worth of self scratching felt like nothing.

Nothing felt like anything in this flesh tomb.

Then, something happened. A trip up at school, an adventure with the “bad girl”, a run in with the fluffiest of boys.

It all felt like a dream. A dream of sparing and ACTing. A dream of making friends and freeing people.

A good dream.

Until they got home, and the prophecy rang in their head all night.

Everyone talked about it. Everyone they talked to. The new guy in town, the kids, Rudolph, seemed like it was all anyone wanted to say to Kris.

“Human”

Kris curled up in bed, everything burned. Their body, their SOUL, it was all far worse than it had ever been.

Kris collapsed onto the floor, hoping the cool wood would be enough, but it wasn’t.

Struggling, they got up and wobbled to the center of the room.

“Noelle’s still scared of humans under the bed!”

Scratching, as always, did nothing. It was all dull. A dull ache.

“A human, a monster, and a prince of darkness”

Their soul burned. Everything they’d done today was because of this soul. This HUMAN’S SOUL. It wasn’t theirs! It never was, they didn’t WANT it!

“Hey! You’re the human that lives at the top of town! Does it hurt to be made of flesh and blood?”

Kris shook. It did hurt. It hurt so bad they couldn’t stand it. Clenching their fists, Kris focused and plunged their hand deep into their chest, tearing out the human soul they were forced to carry.

“I don’t…want this anymore…” They gasped, the blazing heat finally stopping. Roughly, they threw the soul into the bird cage with all their might. “I hope that hurt you…” They spat at the soul.

Kris slowly went to return to bed, but stopped at their drawer.

The soul was gone, yes, but their body…

Slowly they opened the drawer, hidden under wadded clothes, was a kitchen knife they stole long ago.

It does far too much damage to go unnoticed.

However… With no soul, Kris had no HP bar.

They could still hurt the body they did not belong in

They could remove all that painful blood

Remove all that flesh

And truly become the monster they should have always been.

#tw self harm #Deltarune #Kris #Asriel #Emile's Arts #I actually really liked writing this #I relate to this sort of dysphoric feeling #Though I don't have dysphoria #So I actually just wrote it how I feel #Oops #Anyway I loved writing this!!!#Hope you like it and thanks for reading~#Emile's Writing

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