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watermelonsloth · 6 months

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Boruto Shipping Opinions

I’m gonna put a brief aside here to say two quick things to keep in mind before reading:

I am not going to go into great detail or analysis here because I’m holding off on that until the manga wraps up.

I am caught up with the manga, I am not caught up with the anime. I have watched up until the arc the new team 7 infiltrate a prison, the second chunin exams, and whatever clips/moments I’ve stumbled upon being discussed. I am not an avid fan, I do not know all the ins and outs of character dynamics, and I don’t even keep up with that part of the fandom. I have no horse in this race.

BoruSara

I don’t like this ship, and I don’t know if that’s an unpopular opinion. I’ll try to avoid saying “they have sibling vibes” or “they’re just friends” because, coming from someone who has used that excuse in the past, it is very difficult to explain/defend argument. So much so that now it just comes across as cheap to me.

I will, however, say that I don’t like it for the same reason I don’t like NejiTen. It comes across as “he was a boy, she was a girl. Can I make it anymore obvious?” It feels like it stems from the idea that boys and girls can’t just be friends. If the dynamic was introduced with an edge of romance (like how Naruto and Sakura’s dynamic was introduced with Naruto having a crush on her), maybe it would be a different story. But as of right now, it feels like the fandom reading into something that doesn‘t need to be read into.

KawaSara

I hate to say this, but I’m guessing this ship stemmed from SasuSaku fans reading them as “next gen SasuSaku”. Look, everyone can ship whatever they want or choose to refrain from shipping, but I’m sick of the fandom projecting old ships on new dynamics. I have seen BoruSara compared to SNS, NaruSaku, and SasuSaku (for some reason). I have seen BoruSumi compared to NaruHina. I have seen MitsuSara compared to SasuSaku and SuiKarin. I have seen KawaSara compared to SasuSaku. Every single time I thought to myself, “The manga starts with Boruto asserting that he’s not his dad and this isn’t his dad’s story.” I get that comparisons will naturally arise since it’s a sequel series, but these kids are not carbon copies of their parents and they don’t have the same dynamics their parents did.

Now that my rant is out of the way, I think a hypothetical child between them having black hair with pink highlights would be cute and that’s about it.

MitsuSara

I wish these two had more of a dynamic. Both characters have interactions with Boruto and clear dynamics with him, but they don’t really have much going on with each other. They both have recognizable personalities, but they mellow each other out whenever they interact and it makes them boring (I’m guessing Ikemoto isn’t interested in them together). They also only tend to talk to each other about Boruto (at least in the manga). Say what you want about them, but at least Sasuke and Sakura had a dynamic.

Anyways, funny ha ha, Orochimaru gets an Uchiha in the way they least expected.

MitsuBoru

Gayer than any of the Naruto dynamics and that is saying something. However, I struggle to like the ship because I’m just so confused.

First, why does Boruto have so many lancer/foil/rival characters. Kawaki, Sarada, and Mitsuki all act as lancers. I get that writing doesn’t have to be formulaic, but they aren’t even all lancers to each other, having dynamics that bounce off of each other, they’re just lancers to Boruto. At least for me, it’s already gotten really boring and ends in the three’s dynamics with each other falling flat.

Second, the sun and moon symbolism makes no sense to me as a writing decision. The obvious problem is that it’s redundant; it’s already been used for multiple Naruto dynamics. The less obvious problem is that it contradicts Mitsuki’s manga introduction. Mitsuki was introduced as the middle between Boruto and Sarada’s two extremes, taking up a role similar to Sakura’s in the og team 7. If he’s supposed to be the moon to Boruto’s sun, why is he introduced to us as the earth? The admittedly more minor problem that distracts me is that Orochimaru was the one that Mitsuki down this road. Why? Orochimaru wasn’t redeemed by Naruto and has never shown interest in him or this philosophy before now. My best guess is that they’re fascinated by Naruto’s affect on Sasuke, but that still leaves me with questions.

It makes me think that the writer didn’t have any ideas when they introduced these two.

BoruSumi

I don’t like how the fandom is making another love square, but I doubt there’s anything I can do to stop them.

This ship is boring because Sumire is boring. That one anime arc made her interesting, but it’s referenced and relevant so rarely that she goes back to being boring. I’d like this more if the story let Sumire be morally gray or treated her like a redeemed villain more. As of right now, I think the only leg the ship has to stand on is writing tropes and I do not care.

KawaSumi

This ship feels like the product of the same people who ship SasuHina/SasuIno/SasuKarin/KibaHina out of spite. My last post/reblog went into why this happens but the short of it is that it’s easier to ship something in peace if the biggest “threats” to it are paired together. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I have a feeling most KawaSumi shippers also ship BoruSara.

KawaHima

Please… just stop. If not for yourself, then for me. I’m already barely coping with how popular NejiHina is. Why have I seen this as much as I have??? This feels like a personal attack on my sanity. They’re siblings.

Other

This is the section for all the ships I have little/no opinions on. I think MitsuCho is too boring for how popular it is, I think ChoSara should be more popular, I’m disturbed by all of the Eida x next gen ships because she looks and acts like an adult (at least how adults are portrayed in Boruto), and I’m surprised Code x Eida isn’t more popular, but I also think that Code has gotten the Kabuto treatment and isn’t very popular in the fandom.

The ships I haven’t mentioned I either have so little fucks to give or so little information on that I have ZERO thoughts about.

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narhinafan · 4 months

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I think people say sumire filler character is all because of sp, in the manga she's in all important events but anime just doesn't show her panels or edit the stuff to make it kawasumi.

Nue arc was only 2 episodes but that arc gained her popularity so much that she ranked in 10th of liked naruto character in 2017.

Sp is purposefully not including sumire as they don't want her to gain popularity as hinata did. They only add her character for kawasumi inn the story and change all her panels to like kawaki.

Sp is the only most biased studio that ruined the stroy for their biased staff.

Yeah its one of those, things another factor is that Sumire did show up in the anime first cause the early anime arcs and classmates are canon even though they aren't shown in the manga.

Also the Nue arc is longer then 2 episodes rather the Academy Entrance Arc which ends Sumire and Nue. Since that arc was meant to be canon especially Sumire's bits SP couldn't be that bias, but after that arc when she grew popular and a few months later she made her debut in the manga with her admitting she likes Boruto they actively tried to not show her and change her canon parts out of bias.

#pro borusumi #anti kawasumi #pro sumire kakei

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raveneira · 1 year

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Warning: Anti BoruSara/KawaSumi post, keep scrollin if thats not for you.

When I read the new chapter that moment between Ada, Sarada and Sumire confused me alot at first and seemed very suspicious but I couldnt really put my finger on it or find the words to say...but thanks to my lovely friend pichu she actually helped me find a whole new perspective and realize what I was missing.

First off we’ve been for the most part looking at this chapter and that scene specifically at just surface level, which to be fair given this manga lacks alot of nuance most of the time this is one of those times where there actually does seem to be more than just what we see on the surface.

What Im specifically talking about is Ada’s question to Sarada.

On the surface it looks like Ada just confirmed Sarada likes Boruto since why would she ask her that out of the blue when their talking about why Ada likes Kawaki? the implication on the surface is that Ada is asking Sarada why she likes Boruto to make sense of her own feelings, thats how most ppl perceived it at first.

But after further rereading the chapter and this moment multiple times trying to put my finger on whats off about it, I finally realized what it was.

I feel stupid that I overlooked this until a friend brought it to my attention, what initially bothered me about this scene is why did she ask Sarada this question and not Sumire? why did she ignore Sumire entirely on this subject and only specifically ask Sarada? I couldnt make sense of it for anything but now with this new perspective I know why this scene is so off.

Its Ada’s question itself, more specifically that she even has to ask AT ALL when she already knows everything with or without her senrigan activated, so why does she have to ask Sarada? she should already know the answer.

Pay attention to Ada’s phrasing, she asks Sarada ‘What do you think about Boruto?’ which is uncertain instead of ‘Why do you like Boruto?’ which is how she should’ve responded if she were really confirming Sarada’s feelings here.

Ada has never had to ask anything she didnt already know, she was always confident in what she said because she is all knowing, hell she looked at Konohamaru’s and Moegi’s childhood friendship just from a quick glance

She also knew Code would come wake her and want to have his limiters removed without even having her senrigan activated.

As you can see she doesnt speak with uncertainty, she just flat out states what she see/knows, so why even though shes starin directly at Sarada analyzing her closely does she have to ask what Sarada thinks of Boruto? she should just KNOW already, and if she does know already then why even ask? it doesnt add up. However when you look at it from a different angle it actually starts to make sense.

Ada actually doesnt know how Sarada feels about Boruto, she wouldnt have to ask her what she thinks of him if she did and would just simply ask her why she likes him, the fact that she didnt means she doesnt actually know if Sarada likes Boruto or not and thats why shes asking.

Remember how I mentioned it being strange that Ada ignored Sumire on this topic who we already know likes Boruto but Ada only asked Sarada specifically instead? its weird on the surface, but actually the answer is clear if you consider whats been shown of Ada being all knowing.

The reason Ada didnt ask Sumire about her feelings for Boruto is because she already knew so she didnt need to ask, she asked Sarada specifically because she DOESNT know how she feels about him.

You might ask ‘then why did she ask about Boruto specifically then instead of just if Sarada liked someone?’ simple, because just as she saw Konohamaru and Meogi’s childhood friendship, she saw Sarada and Boruto’s as well, and before you say she didnt have her senrigan activated during that moment, remember she actually DID use her senrigan when she requested Sarada and Sumire specifically to come to the house, making it very likely she got a glimpse of their pasts etc as well.

So the reason Ada asked how she felt about Boruto specifically is because she saw how close they were but didnt know if her feelings for him were romantic or not, hence why she asked what she thinks of him rather than why she likes him, because Ada herself doesnt know if she does or doesnt.

Many argue Sarada just doesnt realize her own feelings but that doesnt fly with Ada, even if Sarada herself doesnt know she would be able to tell if Sarada had romantic feelings for him or not.

You could argue Ada doesnt really understand romance or true love so thats why she cant tell if her feelings are romantic for him but...then that’d destroy BoruSara’s argument that she confirmed Sarada has feelings for him, if Ada doesnt really understand romance or love then by your logic that shes implying Sarada loves Boruto, doesnt that make Ada’s assumption unreliable? if she doesnt understand true love then theres zero reason for us to take her words here as confirmation when she herself could simply be misreading the situation since she could just be taking their closeness as stemming from romance when it doesnt.

But since I doubt BoruSara shippers will EVER say Ada is unreliable and refuse to let this line go as anything less than proof then we can rule out this argument altogether since they’ll never use it let alone even consider it.

So since we’re taking Ada’s words as reliable, then theres no way she’d be uncertain about anything she already knows, so the fact that she asks Sarada specifically how she feels and not Sumire is a pretty clear indication that she already knows how Sumire feels and why but DOESNT know how Sarada feels.

So then the question of why comes up, why does Ada wanna know how she feels about Boruto if not to try and make sense of her own feelings? wasnt that what they were talking about? yes and thats what I was confused about too, but again looking at it from a different perspective it actually makes sense.

Ada wasnt asking Sarada that because she was trying to make sense of her own feelings, but to figure out if Sarada is a threat to her pursuit of Kawaki.

Remember how I said she probably got a glimpse of their pasts etc through her senrigan earlier? and thats how she knew about her and Boruto’s bond? that means she also got a glimpse of her and Kawaki’s bond as well.

So where am I goin with this? Ada didnt ask her that to make sense of her own feelings, she asked her because she wanted reassurance that Sarada already likes Boruto and therefore isnt/wouldnt be interested in Kawaki.

How do I know this? because she didnt ask Sumire and only asked Sarada, almost as if she already knew how Sumire felt and that she wasnt a threat to her and Kawaki but was unsure if Sarada was.

If thats the case then this scene makes alot more sense now when you put together all the pieces it lines up perfectly than just the surface level ‘she confirmed Sarada likes Boruto because she wanted to compare her and Sarada’s feelings to help understand her own’ that doesnt really make sense and has holes when you really think about it, but this new perspective makes perfect sense so lets piece it all together in short simple terms.

Ada didnt need to ask Sumire how she felt about Boruto or why because she already knew through her senrigan

Ada saw Sarada, Boruto, and Kawaki’s bond through her senrigan

Ada saw their closeness but didnt know if Sarada’s feelings for Boruto were romantic or not

Ada was concerned Sarada could be a potential rival for her since she saw Sarada was close with both Boruto and Kawaki so she wanted reassurance that Sarada already liked Boruto and wouldnt be a threat to her

Ada felt no need to ask Sumire about her feelings because she already knew she loved Boruto and has no interest in Kawaki

If your still unconvinced and think this is reaching, consider why she chose Sarada and Sumire specifically, if her goal were truly just to make sense of her feelings for Kawaki through 2 people who were also inlove, why Sarada and Sumire? why not Chocho? she was nearby as well, but why specifically seek out Sumire who was much further away? remember she was at the lab with Katasuke at the time so why seek out Sumire instead of Chocho? the answer is clear...

Ada wasnt just seeking out girls who she knew were inlove to compare their feelings, but specifically girls who WERENT inlove with KAWAKI, and the whole reason Chocho even came there was because of KAWAKI and Ada was her rival and Ada saw that and didnt want her near Kawaki.

If you think thats a reach then really think why Ada didnt question Sumire if she just wanted to understand her feelings, why only ask Sarada what she thinks of Boruto and not them both, why choose Sumire instead of Chocho to talk to, why did she have to even ask to begin with instead of already knowing? why didnt she feel the need to ask Sumire but felt the need to ask Sarada? Sumire is the one who asked her why she likes Kawaki so why didnt Ada ask the same of her? why Sarada who wasnt even talking about that? when you really take time to think about it you’ll see its impossible for Ada to have confirmed Sarada’s feelings here, but testing her to see if she was a threat or not.

If you still think this isnt hard enough evidence because ‘well if thats the case then why did she blush when Ada asked her? obviously Ada was right’ your right, on the surface it does look that way except...Sarada was blushing even before that question was asked, despite not being affected by Ada’s ability, Sarada’s face was completely red because of how nervous and overwhelmed by Ada’s presence she was.

Think Im grasping at straws? that Im just being delusional because Im against BoruSara/KawaSumi? that Im just twisting the obvious to suit my narrative? well I actually have hard evidence that the blush was because of Ada, not because she exposed her hidden feelings for Boruto.

Notice anything? this isnt the first time Sarada has been asked that question, by Sumire and Mitsuki who are her close friends that shes comfortable with, when they asked her SPECIFICALLY if she LIKES Boruto [not what she thinks of him] Sarada didnt blush, instead she just looked shocked and uncomfortable with the subject.

Notice what Sarada says to Mitsuki about the question, she says “Im trying to have a serious conversation here!” meaning the topic of romance isnt a serious subject for her, to her the topic of ‘love’ is of little importance to her, atleast regarding herself. This isnt me reaching trying to make up what Sarada feels to suit my own narrative, but something she literally confirms herself this very chapter.

Sarada is feeling awkward that this is all Ada can think about and says its stupid, but to not get on Ada’s bad side she plays it off by saying she gets it and that she thinks it happens to everyone when they find true love, the opposite of what she truly felt which is that this whole thing is stupid. Again these are Sarada’s words not mine and these words arent up for interpretation, what you see is what you got.

Now back to the topic of her blushing, as you see in this page Sarada is already blushing when she hasnt even asked her about Boruto yet, and unless you wanna say she has feelings for Ada too then the logical conclusion is its because she was nervous, same for Sumire who was also blushing awkwardly the same way.

My point? you cant take Sarada’s blushing at Ada’s question as confirmation, because she was already blushing prior to the question bein asked from being nervous and even described Ada’s gaze as being an incredible force that was overwhelming, so her reaction to Ada’s question makes sense when she was already extremely nervous and overwhelmed by Ada. This isnt me guessing or assuming this is the case, Sarada herself says that she was so overwhelmed and tense that she didnt even know she was unaffected.

In short her reaction was due to her discomfort, hence why Sumire had to snap Sarada back out of it and remind her to play along for their own good. But when Sarada was asked this by her two friends she is comfortable with and wasnt nervous, Sarada only had a look of inddiference, shock, and annoyance, so what made Ada different? the only difference was how nervous and uncomfortable she was with Ada, whereas he friends she was totally calm and at ease.

So I rest my case, this wasnt a win for BoruSara, truly the only ship that won this chapter was BoruAda because he is the on person who isnt affected that WILLINGLY simps for her and he himself says age doesnt matter to him.

For the record I dont ship BoruAda or Ada with anyone, I cant stand the bitch, but this is a canon fact Ikemoto introduced, so hes the only one to blame for this.

#boruto manga #manga spoilers #anti-borusara #anti-kawasumi #anti borusara #anti kawasumi

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rantahead · 4 months

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If you don't mind me asking, could you do a rant on MitsuSumi & KawaSumi/KawaHima.

Like why people ship them (if you know) and all that because, personally, I find all three disgusting, especially KawaHima.

gladly!

(I know this'll be more of bsu and anti-bsa, but it's an important essential of the story)

ok, so I, personally, ship msu and ksu because I find them fun and more of crack ships then actual canon ships. I see why ppl like them, but they are more of crack ships. the only one that's actually sailing is ksu, but that's basically dead since timeskip.

but before I get into those ships, let's begin with the incest KawaHima.

kh is basically bsa, an incest ship. except the only difference is kh doesn't have same blood (bsa is incest because of their dads are reincarnations of Ashura and Indra and their clans are close, almost to the point of bsa being literally cousins). but kh are ADOPTIVE siblings, either way, they're related, not by blood tho.

I don't understand why ppl like it considering they're literally siblings. it's basically like shipping Boruto and Himawari. and not to mention their age difference.

ok, so now msu & ksu! first we'll start with msu because that won't take as long as the ksu rant:

so the first actual reason ppl started shipping them (actual fans) is the anime when Nue arc took place. that's what got me hooked on them.

but bsa fans only ship them to get Sumire and Mitsuki away from Boruto and Sarada because Mitsuki has only shown to be romantic around Sarada and Boruto (he might be gay for Boruto, but if he's straight, he's only ever shown interest in Sarada). and Sumire, well, need I say more? she is the ONLY character to have confirmed feelings for another character, hence why they want them both out of the way, because, other than Kawaki, they're the biggest threats to their ship. and they say Mitsuki is the captain of their ship, yet they're suddenly gonna want to throw him away the second he has any romantic relationship with either. and he actually never called them a "good couple" in the manga a.k.a canon and only in the Academy in the anime. after graduating and being on the same team, NOT ONCE has he said they make a good couple because he KNOWS they don't. hell, he asked Sarada ONCE about her feelings in anime and in manga, but he just wanted to know, not that he thinks they will make a good couple, but he was curious, not shipping them.

and with Kawaki, they ship Sumire with him just so they'll both be out of the way of their ship. yet Eida has feelings for Kawaki so she'll most likely get him and Sumire has feelings for Boruto so she'll most likely get him. Sarada's only option is Mitsuki, but yes, Kawaki is a victim of the disgusting bsa fandom because neither parties (Boruto, Sarada, Mitsuki, Kawaki) have confirmed their feelings for each other.

and they know how cringy their supposed ship is, which is why they try and say Sumire's love is just a crush and Sarada has confirmed her feelings over blushing and she's a tsundere. they even say Sumire only lied to Sarada so she could recognize her feelings, yet that backfired because after that, the only romantic scene they got was Sarada hugging Boruto in timeskip, like, 66 chapters after Sumire supposedly "manipulated Sarada in realizing her feelings for Boruto".

ok, so I gave a basic rundown, but I'll get into detail about it, starting with Sumire's confession:

ok, so here, antis claim that Sumire only manipulated Sarada into realizing her feelings for Boruto (which didn't happen considering the only romantic thing they have in the ENTIRE manga is the hug at the end of TBV chapter 5, the rest of their moments in the manga were cons to the ship). Sumire was GENUINE about HER feelings, not helping Sarada realize hers.

(btw, for bsa to actually happen, Sarada's personality has to take a big 180 for the ship to actually be considered romantic)

because this comes back up AGAIN:

this is when they KNOW she has DEFINITE feelings for him - REAL feelings. not an act, not a manipulation tactic, REAL FEELINGS, TRUE LOVE.

even Katasuke says "though it's so very obivious". meaning her feelings are true and real.

and say she DID manipulate Sarada to realize her feelings (hell will have to freeze over before it's confirmed that she did), her look wasn't jealous, but more of shock because it came out of nowhere, and she looked concern as Team 7 left and she was looking back at Sumire, probably like "oh no, this idiot is gonna get her heartbroken!". she was worried FOR Sumire, not worried ABOUT Sumire. she didn't think of Sumire as a rival, she thought of her as a close friend (she was her first friend and only friend until Chocho showed up) and she was worried that Boruto (being the dense kid he is) will hurt her.

say, just say, that she lied to Sumire about not having feelings for Boruto (as some antis claim), she'll be an even worse friend than Sakura was to Ino when their friendship ended. at least only one was serious about Sasuke (Sakura), Ino only went after him just to piss Sakura off. whereas Sumire's feelings are real and if Sarada has real feelings, all her moments after chapter 19 will be to piss of Sumire, because remember, she NEVER mentioned Sumire's name when she told Sasuke about Omnipotence, and she hugged Boruto IN FRONT of Sumire. that'll just make her look WORSE than she already does.

but Sarada couldn't care less about romantic feelings, let alone for Boruto. as she confirmed with Eida and Mitsuki.

so they need Sumire to be like Ino and move on with a guy like Sai (Mitsuki), hell, even Kawaki!

the only problem is:

"(koi) = Love between lovers(romantic)"

THAT is the kanji written on Sumire's databook and the cover she first appears in. they're both about SUMIRE, not Sarada as ppl claim. because why would it show up in the same cover Sumire does, huh? suspicious. but her databook cover comfirms her feelings are real.

but now they know that her feelings won't go away so they need Mitsuki and Kawaki to come and take her away so any of them won't be in the way.

msu has had NO interactions in the manga, had the Academy & Nue arcs and the one seen in the Kawaki arc where Mitsuki catches her when she falls over after Kawaki kicks her (all in the anime), well, if you exclude all the random classmate talking during other arcs. but overall, those have the romantic scenes and even then, the only romantic scene is that one seen in the Kawaki arc that isn't even that romantic.

ksu however, in the manga, only has Sumire being Kawaki's caretaker and the anime added a few "romantic" ksu moments, then realized, "wait, this isn't what's happening in the manga", and suddenly, it's like they never happened and ksu never even met.

ppl think that Sumire being Kawaki's caretaker will make her fall in love with him, yet HE asked about HER feelings for BORUTO, not him, BORUTO, his brother. both Mitsuki and Kawaki haven't shown any romantic feelings in ANYONE, including Sarada and Boruto. but at least with Boruto and Sumire, there's a spark there (Boruto being a little too much overprotective of her).

Sarada, however, currently, hopping to and from Mitsuki and Kawaki, so it's kinda hard to tell who'd she'll end up with but it'll probably be Mitsuki because Kawaki ruined Boruto's life. with Boruto, there's just that "he's my teammate, gotta keep him save", "my master told me to protect her so I have to."

say msu or ksu do get a lot of attention, you really think Sumire could look at them like she looks at Boruto. Boruto, himself, debunked that she may be a good actress, yet she can't hide her feelings. she can barely hide her feelings from Boruto in front of anyone. I'm honestly surprised Sarada didn't see the confession coming when Sumire started talking about if Boruto was popular with the girls back in Konoha.

but ppl start creating crazy theories that they'll end up together and that Kishi planned it.

but yes, I'm gonna rap this up:

basically, ppl (some) ship them because they're cute, most ship them to get all three out of the way.

#anti borusara #anti bsa #anti kawahima #kawasumi #mitsusumi #pro borusumi #anti borusara fandom #naruto

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naruto-shipping-confessions · 1 year

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#KawaSumi #BoruSumi #Anti KawaSara #Anti BoruSara #Sarada #Sarada Uchiha

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kaibutsushidousha · 1 year

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Why do you think the Proto Merlin we see is Fou in disguise? I haven't been following this theory very closely so I'm interested in the arguments people have in favor of this

It all started in Lilim Harlot when Sodom's called Merlin "Beast of the Planet". This term has only been used before twice, once in the old material books and once in Mash profiles, both times referring directly and unambiguously to Fou.

Her reaction to being called that is, quote: "Oops, don't say another word. I haven't told anyone about this yet.".

From that point beyond, it was a look back at all of Proto Merlin's previous content to see what changes with the new "she might be Fou lens". The interesting findings there were:

First Hassan's main criticism of her in Lilim Harlot comes from her discarding her crown out of a personal whim. This was initially taken as her refusing to take the Grand Caster crown, but under the Fou lens, we can assume it refers to Fou abandoning the Beast IV horns for Mash's sake.

Fou has a not-yet-explained ability to know what happens in other timelines, being aware of Tsukihime's Primate Murder. Meanwhile, Proto Merlin takes part in Arcade's plot because she knew this was a timeline where Cath Palug wasn't in Chaldea.

Proto Merlin's Arcade profile notes that she switches her personal pronoun to ボク in her more personal moments. That's a thing male Merlin also does, but ボク is an informal masculine pronoun, so it makes perfect sense for him to switch to it when dropping the formalities. Proto Merlin going masculine when she drops the mask was vaguely suspicious, and it's even more so under this perspective because her "mask dropped" way of talking is identical to Fou's.

Kawasumi debuted as Fou's voice before she debuted as Proto Merlin's voice. Not a real clue but a curious piece of trivia.

Weight: 20 kg is still very weird but significantly less weird than before.

Hero Creation and Dreamlike Charisma are ranked lower, which could be because they’re imitations.

Mordred in Arcade feels the need to triple-check if Proto Merlin really is Merlin, although this could be just due to Merlin suddenly being a woman.

The main difference between Merlins as emphasized in her Arcade profile is that Proto Merlin isn't locked in the tower like Merlin. Getting out of the tower is a main point of Fou's backstory.

In Arctic Summerworld, Fou is always keeping watch on Lady Avalon because he doesn't know what she came there for, but he's consistently less hostile to her than he is to male Merlin.

And she came to mobile as Lady Avalon, but her Class is Pretender, meaning she doesn't come with her True Name registered. This is an intentional choice on her part and a secret she successfully keeps hidden. Unlike Oberon, Faker, or Tenochtitlan, she never gets her True Name Reveal scene so Chaldea is officially unaware of who she actually is. The Merlin reveal could have happened in her debut event, but since it didn't, Merlin is now the anti-climatic answer. It isn't worth holding the secret months for that.

#type moon #fate grand order #lady avalon #fou

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shindidnothingwrong · 2 years

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Im gonna say what nobody else got the balls to say.

Warning: Anti KawaSumi post, dont like dont read.

KawaSumi didnt grow in popularity because it had any basis or development or even a bond or good chemistry, despite what this fandom wants you to believe because unfortunately this side of the fandom has many silent voices and only a few brave handful of us actually speak up and speak out, despite what they wanna brainwash you to believe KawaSumi really doesnt have a leg to stand on and nobody genuinely joined the ship because there was actually any basis for it, the real reason ppl started pushing this pathetic keep away ship was because of big biased exposure.

1 SP is no stranger to making their biases known, nor do they make it any secret which ships and characters they favor more than others, for example the studio clearly has a great dislike for Sakura, Sasuke, and SasuSaku and clearly favored Naruto and Hinata, for a long while it was clear the studio REALLY wanted NaruSaku endgame up till a certain point they realized NaruHina was most likely endgame they started clearly showing excessive favoritism to Hinata and NH and suddenly pretending as if they never supported NaruSaku even tho it was revealed many of them did and were upset it didnt happen.

Long story short, history is repeating itself with now SP clearly having a strong bias for BoruSara, lets just not even pretend their not highkey pushing the ship cuz they are, that doesnt mean it’ll be canon tho but they ARE showing a clear bias towards it. Honda, a writer at the studio, is notorious for some of the worst written episodes in the franchise minus 2 episodes that were actually done well, hes known for writing things based on ‘his interpretations’ rather than whats established in canon, as such it often leads to horrible characterizations, inconsistencies, and just terrible writing altogether.

These details are important for this first point, KawaSumi growing in popularity due to biased exposure.

To sum it up, the first and arguably the biggest thing to kickstart this mess was SPs bias, rather than sticking to what was established in the manga they created a whole nother timeline and course of events which for some unusually convenient reason featured Sumire being the first person to care about and reach out to Kawaki before Naruto and Sarada, to be the first to see and understand and relate to his pain before Naruto and Sarada.

Keep in mind, put shipping aside for a moment, Naruto was Kawakis FIRST bond, the FIRST to care about him, the FIRST to understand and see his pain and relate to him and see HIMSELF in him, that is what made his and Narutos bond so special.

Even though nothing Sumire said mattered or got through to him at all, that didnt matter to that fanbase tho, the seeds were planted and now till this day ppl say that SUMIRE is his first bond, the first to care, the first to understand, the first to relate and see herself in him, his first friend etc. Guess who was the writer for those episodes? Honda of course, nuff said.

Those two episodes single handedly undercut Naruto and Sarada’s bond with Kawaki entirely, it put Sumire on this pedestal while Naruto and Sarada are beneath her, the fact that Sumire had to BEG Naruto to hear Kawaki out and give him a chance when in the manga Naruto instantly ignored everybody and already had his mind made up regardless of how they felt about it just made it that much worse, SP knew EXACTLY what they were doing with this, whether it had any impact on Kawaki or not is irrelevant, its the impact on the fandom that was the problem.

To put this into perspective I’ll give another quick example of another one of Honda’s ‘interpretations’ dividing the fandom when they otherwise shouldnt have been, in the episode where Kurama dies Naruto essentially says that he and Sasuke arent brothers and that Sasuke already has a great brother in Itachi, which completely contradicts what Kishimoto himself established for 15 fkin years, regardless the SNS fandom of course took that and ran with it as proof that Naruto and Sasuke arent brothers despite Kishimoto himself literally writing this from Narutos literal point of view how he sees Sasuke from beginning to now.

Naruto, from Kishimotos own words and writing, says blood ties dont matter and that there are stronger links than that, that love is all you need, that it doesnt matter if your family is real or fake as long as you CARE for them, so the fact that Honda’s words are given more validity than Kishimoto the creator himself is truly mind boggling but thats just how easily SP, Honda especially, can quickly and easily divide the fandom on certain subjects that have long been established for years by simply changing it on a whim and ppl just running with it.

So this situation with Sumire was no different, it didnt matter what was established in the manga, Honda rewrote otherwise and thats what ppl ran with, that was strike 1.

2 Biased news articles, thats right, after those episodes aired you even had journalists pushing the idea of the ship out there, implying that it was already being set in motion and making WAY more out of it than it actually was, it wasnt long before if you searched ‘Kawakis crush’ or ‘who does Kawaki like’ that would be the top result, which is something this fandom also use as evidence despite it being an unofficial source and entirely speculatory and opinion based, again the damage was already done, the seed was planted, thats all thats needed.

This CBR article says it all on its own, implying a love triangle that doesnt exist, claiming that Kawaki likes her and that shes his ‘light’ when neither such things have ever been confirmed by any official source nor shown anywhere in canon, despite that, this article paints this false picture of a love triangle that doesnt exist, at the moment there is simply one semi canon ship and that is BoruSumi, there is no love triangle confirmed at this point in time, Sumire is the only character whos feelings have been confirmed by official sources, nobody else.

3 Big youtubers and big twitter accs, youtubers especially, one in particular that REALLY kicked the ship into high gear was Naruto Explained, I shit you not, ppl actually took a youtubers words as law and evidence for why the ship is totally endgame, there were literal discussions being had that these ppl would bring up his videos as evidence, some random guy on youtube opinion is somehow a valid argument for the ship but not the manga itself or the many official sources that contradicts it.

He said he was gonna make videos for all the ships which he did but lets be real, he only made one video about InoSara and KawaSara while he made multiple videos about BoruSara and KawaSumi, there was an obvious agenda being pushed. Not assuming his ship preference because I dont know and I dont care, but its clear which fanbase he was pandering to, same goes for SP and Honda specifically.

These 3 things combined is what got the ship started, a key thing to note is that all 3 of these dont just push KawaSumi but push BoruSara as well, coincidence? I think not.

So whenever anyone tells you that ppl like/ship KawaSumi because its ‘obvious’ or that theres ‘chemistry’ or whatever other bs they claim between them that doesnt exist anywhere in canon, just know the only reason this ship is even known by ppl is because if got alot of biased support and push from high places, not because the ship itself was any good and ppl genuinely liked it for what it was, but because they were brainwashed into believing theres something there that really isnt.

KawaSara grew from a genuine like of the ship and the build up it got in the manga that drew ppl to it who genuinely liked what their relationship was and developing into, even without the Nue arc BoruSumi became semi canon in the manga first in chapter 19 when Sumire confessed, so with or without the anime BoruSumi had basis for fans to ship them since one side of it HAS confirmed romantic feelings for the other, neither KawaSara nor BoruSumi needed a boost from outside biased sources brainwashing them with lies, those ships thrived just fine with just what was established in the manga alone, the anime/novels was just a bonus, but the ships already had their own merits and basis on their own.

Of course I already know there will be ppl who’ll say Im just downplaying the ship cuz Im biased or jealous etc etc but really Im just tellin the truth, you cannot tell me at any point prior to 190-191 where KawaSumi had any significant amount of support, it was a crackship at most, it wasnt until the ripple effect from another one of Honda’s brilliant ‘interpretations’ that got this bullshit started and everything else just started falling into place from there. It was NOT because people actual saw a genuine appeal for the ship, but because of what they were lead to believe.

If you look at the novels/manga its very apparent they are hinting BoruSumi and that they have a deep & special bond between them, Sumires love for Boruto is clear and visible, in the anime after 190-191 however they not only cut BOTH her confessions from the manga but they also make her feelings uncertain rather than being straightforward like the manga.

If you look purely at how their relationship is in the manga its extremely distant, Kawaki gives no special treatment/care towards Sumire than he does anyone else, and Sumire gives no special treatment or care towards him than she does anyone else either, Kawaki is indifferent towards her and Sumire is just a kind and caring person concerned for someone she sees going through a hard time, theres nothing special or significant between them to justify ppl calling it the ‘obvious’ endgame already just for Sumire doing the bare minimum as his caretaker and Kawaki allowing her to because well, thats her job, she works with Katasuke and he allows him to work on him so why would he reject Sumire? again Im speaking manga only to make the point of the nonexistent basis for this ship.

SP/Honda literally gave a horrible ship a false sense of weight that was so unnecessary that did way more harm than good for not just them but so many other characters by extension. They created a domino effect that fueled these few ppls fanon perceptions so much they perceive these ‘fanon’ interpretations as canon because big sources support it right? so it must be endgame, even the studios lowkey pushing for it so that must mean its canon.

You may think its harmless ship teasing for now or that its no big deal but trust me, the same way SP had a huge influence on the perception of NaruSaku as the potential endgame ship and peoples reaction to it not happening, the same will happen with KawaSumi and BoruSara and I’d argue its gonna be worse this time around than in OG because back then atleast you could argue all the extra NS stuff was filler and non canon anyway, meanwhile you cant say the same for Boruto since its claimed to be ‘all’ canon even if it diverts from the manga/novels, so when and if their not endgame after all the bullshit false hope they were bein fed its gonna be hard to argue why they shouldnt be outraged, after all it WAS all canon so what was the point of all that if the endings something totally different? thats what happens when you divert off course from the source material and do your own thing based on your own ‘interpretations’ that contradict it, when the ACTUAL OFFICIAL canon happens ppl are left confused wondering how this happened when all this other stuff happened that seemed to be leading to somethin else.

Even though objectively, personal bias aside, I see nothing that says BoruSara and KawaSumi are endgame and see far more in favor of BoruSumi and KawaSara becoming canon in the end, even if not KawaSara BoruSumi is definitely endgame atp based on whats been setup and established so far, even though I dont see anything to suggest Bsa and Ksu endgame I can understand WHY others get the impression that they are, its very clear their being pandered to and to be fair its understandable to a degree why’d they fall for it. Be that as it may, anyone taking a moment to look at everything objectively and critically would quickly see all the flaws and holes in these ships potential canonicity, KawaSumi especially.

But unfortunately much of this fandom functions on whatever the biggest names say is right, doesnt matter if their an official source or not, if your someone big like a big youtuber, a big twitter acc, or a biased anime studio, then their right and everything and everyone else is wrong, which unfortunately means when the opposite happens they wont be able to accept it and claim there was some sort of foul play 🤦‍♀️ I’ve seen this happen many times...its always the same.

So no, Im not downplaying the ship out of bias, I dont even ship BoruSumi nor like Sumire, Im just calling it how I literally witnessed it all go down in real time. This ship is a friggin joke yet because of all that mess Honda and everything else after that caused it now has ppl believing in something THEY made up.

If you dont believe it just look at the arguments, whenever ppl talk of KawaSara they mostly speak of manga content, adding on anime content is just a bonus but most of KawaSaras development HAPPENED in the manga, however whenever ppl talk of KawaSumi they ALWAYS bring up 190-191, the only thing from the manga they bring up is Kawaki allowing her to give him a needle and calling her by name instead of class rep and Sumire just literally doing her job...couldnt make this up if I tried. Thats because most of KawaSumi’s ‘development’ happened in the anime, their relationship in the manga has been stagnant, it went from him rejecting her giving him a needle to accepting it, thats it, and Sumire is no more or less concerned for Kawaki now than she was when she first appeared with him, their just stagnant, meanwhile Kawaki has made significant progress with just about everyone BUT her.

Its crazy, but ppl will really insist that their the obvious endgame and KawaSara/BoruSumi fans are the ones who’s delusional. I both look forward and dread canon day because thats gonna be one hell of a shit storm I can already see it comin.

#boruto #boruto anime #boruto next generations #anti ksu #pro kawasara #pro borusumi

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fairykery · 3 years

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Ok sorry guys I'm going to start blocking kawasumi. I can't with people liking borusara and kawasumi. I respect it but I can't see it. Why do people compare it to sasusaku?😭

No offense for those that like it though. Respect to everyone...I just😫

#sasusaku #anti kawasumi #anti borusara #my post #personal #pro sasusaku #kawasara #borusumi

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naruto-confessions-box · 3 years

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#kawasumi #anti boru/sara

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devilhacker · 3 years

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Let me be clear.

I'm a Naruto's shipwar veteran who didnt ship anyone in Boruto.

BoruSara, Borusumi, KawaSara, KawaSumi. I dont really care who ended up canon.

All ship have their moment. All has a legit reason to be canon.

I dont want another vietnam flashback after seeing how this war already reaching NH/SS vs NS level during its peak.

Too old and too tired to deal with this anymore

But hey. If those antis still trying to make a move on NH, this old man still gonna return to the battlefield.

#naruhina #borusara #borusumi #kawasara #boruto

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narhinafan · 6 months

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People are saying and making memes/pictures of Sumire rejecting Boruto and choosing Kawaki instead and people said it was true…

Aren’t Sumire’s feelings for Boruto still confirmed…?

Why would she choose someone who ruined her love’s life instead of her love?

Yeah Sumire still loves Boruto she has never gone to Kawaki nor shown feelings for him.

The anime seems to be bias towards Kawaki and Sumire adding filler scenes or removing scenes that reject the idea. Like how in the manga Sumire is there when Naruto mentions he almost killed Boruto and she is visibly shaken and concerned.

Only the BoruSara make those memes cause they are desperate to have Sumire out of the way for their ship.

#anti borusara #anti kawasumi #pro borusumi

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raveneira · 9 months

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Ugh...are ppl really this dumb?

Warning: Anti KawaSumi/BoruSara post, dont like dont read.

Are idiots really believing Sumire is gonna pretend to like Kawaki because of the omnipotence bs? let alone that she might actually start to like Kawaki while pretending? gah yall are delusional...the same ppl who claim to like her character dont even understand her character at all if you believe that bullshit.

Wtf sense does that even make? just because Kawaki swapped lives with Boruto doesnt mean they literally swapped everything about them even down to their romantic feelings, theres no telling how much of their memories are altered, that remains to be seen since we’ve only got a glimpse through Sasuke but that doesnt account for everyone else.

But lets say it is a complete swap and everything that applied to Boruto now applies to Kawaki, wtf does that have to do with Kawaki? HE knows her feelings arent for him so whats your point? if anything Sumire pretending to like him will just piss him off cuz

1 he knows she doesnt actually like him and

2 because hes not fkin interested

Plus despite popular belief, Sumire is not a good actress when it comes to hiding her feelings [literally everyone knows despite her attempts at hiding it], she is always sweating and nervous af, Kawaki would see right through her if she tried to play the 'Kawaki-kun' card because you cant fake romantic feelings [in the Narutoverse, Sakura tried and everyone saw right through it even the ppl who werent in on it] so he'd catch on that shes fakin it regardless.

You cannot fake this, she cannot look at Kawaki and pretend to feel the same love and gratitude that she had for Boruto and be convincing she just cant, because everytime shes looked at Kawaki since finding out he killed Boruto she has been nothing but scared and nervous around him.

Now that he has everyone out to kill Boruto, do you honestly think shes gonna be able to look Kawaki in the eye like she loves him when she couldnt even look at him before without getting ptsd flashbacks? get tf outta here man.

If anything I see Sarada being able to fake it more than her, she never feared Kawaki nor Boruto so she’d be able to look him dead in the eye without flinching if she had to, but we all know this writings not that generous.

Shes better off just not even trying to fake that, its not like Sumire acted that much different around Boruto than she normally did so she could just be casual with Kawaki and nothing will look off, and if by some very VERY unlikely chance, Kawaki asks her if she likes him just to see the full extent of Adas control, its not like she would just confess that she does cuz she hasnt even confessed to Boruto yet, that and she told Kawaki to keep it a secret, so if she fked up and said yes to try and 'pretend' shes inlove with him, Kawaki would have to be stupid af not to know shes unaffected and playin him.

Sarada pretending to like Kawaki is even more unlikely than Sumire since she never had feelings for Boruto from the get go [not confirmed ones anyway] so if she truly did have feelings for him then now would be the time to reveal it because if Sumire feels like she has to 'pretend' to like Kawaki to not expose shes unaffected by Ada who, as these fools claim, KNOWS Sumire and Sarada love Boruto, then Sarada would have to pretend too.

So now would be the best time to confirm it once and for all, lets say Sumire pretends but Sarada doesnt, Ada should get suspicious and ask something along the lines of 'whats the matter? I thought you liked him too?' of course it depends on the context of the conversation but you get the point, she'd question why Sumire is reacting while Sarada isnt, which would confirm Ada did indeed see that Sarada has romantic feelings for Boruto.

But if they dont do that and continue to leave it up in the air, then Im gonna laugh cuz these bozos swear they winnin when they keep bein left in limbo just like everyone else, which for the ‘main couple’ and the ‘obvious endgame’ is highly suspicious, Naruto was able to make Sakura and Hinatas feelings known so why not Sarada? literally nothing changes if they do, so to keep leaving it up in the air when it doesnt need to be is legitimate cause for question because why NOT confirm her feelings? it doesnt ruin the suspense because we’d still have to wait to see how Boruto feels so why not just confirm Sarada’s side already? thats the part yall dont wanna talk about because yall know its suspicious, so you brush it off with ‘well they dont need to cuz its obvious’ or ‘Mitsuki/Ada already confirmed it′ when they are the LEAST reliable ppl to go to for romantic confirmation.

In fact, I’d say the fact that those are your biggest and only real go tos for proof her feelings are confirmed actually makes BoruSara look that much more flimsy because these are your sources.

If those are your sources for proof then those are some sorry excuses for hard evidence.

Anyway this isnt about BoruSara as much as it is about the delusion theory that Sumire is actually gonna try to pretend to like Kawaki, let alone be successful, or even more ridiculous, actually fall for him in the process.

The notion of Sarada pretending too is even more ridiculous, but if she does then atleast yall will finally have some actual hard evidence that she does infact like Boruto, but if not then keep relying on these half assed sources from ppl who dont even understand their own feelings, but you think they can clearly understand someone elses.

This headcanon of yalls isnt a legitimate theory based on any canon fact other than ‘their lives are switched so she has to fake liking him’, its just a last ditch hope to keep an ACTUAL dead ship alive because yes, ksu really is dead but this aint the post for that convo.

Whether or not KawaSara is dead [because I know yall gonna bring it up] depends entirely on how the timeskip kicks off, but ksu died before the timeskip even started but again thats a topic for another day.

If Im wrong Im wrong but I’ve been right so far in regards to Sumire and Kawakis relationship so I dont doubt Im gonna be right again because SOMEHOW me, a non fan, understands Sumire better than alot of her supposed ‘fans’

#boruto manga #boruto spoilers #anti-bsa #anti-ksu #pro borusumi #ship discourse

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