#anti idw sonic

[semi-sketchy]

I know this is beating a dead horse at this point, but I just started thinking about this the other day and...

How many people that were previously enemies has Sonic ACTUALLY befriended?

Like my knowledge of some old games and the handhelds ain't great, but...

There was Knuckles, who I think is the only one in the classic era.

He never really befriended Gamma in SA1, just left him to Amy.

Also he didn't befriend Chaos, just beat the anger out of him.

The next one was Shadow in SA2, although they're still kinda rivals?

I don't think Rouge counts in SA2 since she wasn't really an enemy of Sonic specifically, even in Heroes it's really Sonic and Shadow that start the fight.

Gemerl is a robot who was reprogrammed to be friendly, I wouldn't count that as "befriending someone".

Him and Jet are rivals in every Riders game, this never changes.

Blaze in Rush is someone that fought him and they became friends, so it's clear cut, she counts.

Silver in '06 does as well.

Do we count Shade from Chronicles? I think she had a boss fight. I know very little about that game but it's not canon, right?

Merlina is kinda a grey area? Like they were friends, he stopped her evil plans and was still nice to her. I don't know if in context that meets the criteria.

On top of that I don't think the Knights of the Round Table count. Sonic is there to take the swords and they work together at the end. I don't think there's any hard feelings, but don't know if this counts as "friends".

Sage could be the next example, but she's still loyal to Eggman. I don't think what they briefly shared was friendship as much as Sage wanting to save Eggman.

I haven't played Superstars but Trip doesn't even have a bossfight, does she? I don't think she counts.

Not looking at the method, just purely if they became friends down the line. Out of all of those, there's 4 total (if you count Shadow, which I do) with 1 it's complicated and 1 non-canon. That's very few when you consider how large the game cast is.

An overwhelming majority of his friends weren't ever hostile with him to begin with, like the Chaotix, Amy, Tails, Cream, Emerl, Big, ect. There's plenty of other cast members that are still have him on their shit list, like Eggman, Infinite (if he's alive), Fang, Metal, Eggman Nega, the Deadly Six...

Now I'm starting to wonder where this idea of it being a frequent even came from.

#i still don't read the comic anymore but it's kinda hard to not see anything about it in the sonic fandom #anyways yeah that's my ramblings on the subject #a weird aspect to latch onto when it's only happened a few times #and the last definitive one was 18 years ago #and again not looking too hard at the context of those situations in this post i already know the comic misrepresents them #because aside from blaze sonic never instigated those friendships #he's a go with the flow kinda guy so he'll match your energy #you come at him aggressive and he'll be aggressive back #but also if you're friendly he'll be friendly kinda thing #anti idw sonic #idw sonic #fans don't look #hopefully that covers the tag blocking list #and people properly filter because i don't want to leave the idw tag out #in case anyone is just trying to steer clear of anything idw

[aquillis-main]

Look like @randomthefox is famous on thankskenpender little post and say that we bully Flynn for no reason.

https://www.tumblr.com/thankskenpenders/734473134639579136/help-me-out-here-why-is-there-so-much-ian-flynn

https://x.com/Sonic_IDW_heat/status/1727812876826480742?s=20

@randomthefox Look! You're famous!

#aquillis answers #shady guy #Fans Don't Look #Anti IDW Sonic

[gritsandbrits]

Muh patience has been running thin because last i checked it's the idw critics getting death threats and insults (slurs included) for not worshipping the ground idw sonic walk on

#Yall sent vile racial and ableist slurs to various moots and non-moots all bc they critize Evan Stanley & Ian Flynn #yet THEYRE the ones who are bitter repulsive nonfans? gtfo!! #i havent seen a single idw critic send hate mail; yet theyre the ones getting dogpiled and torn apart for valid criticisms #is why i refuse to read the comics and ive had it with Flynn stans specifically #anti idw sonic

[pagonmoon]

Criticism ≠ Attack

#anti idw sonic #my opinion

[kinopioa]

Wish Tails had spine... @beevean @colony-drop-program @randomthefox

#anti idw sonic

[beevean]

IDW Sonic vs. Copy X

Because I’m saltier than a mine and I think Copy X is an underrated villain :P

Being the fake copy of a kindhearted hero: self explainatory :P

Tautological templar:

Copy X believes that, since he’s the perfect copy of X, he can do no wrong. “Wh-who cares about value? Neo Arcadia’s doing what’s right. That i-is enough proof that what we do is j-just!”

Sonic has no reason to believe he’s always right, but he does so anyway, as he never truly questions himself and gets incredibly defensive when people dare to point out the mistakes he made.

Rigid sticking to their principles, good-natured but harmful in practice:

Copy X puts his objective of “protecting humans” above all else... which leads him to oppress Reploids, treat them as second citiziens and kill them if they rebel.

Sonic stubbornly sticks to his principle of always giving evil people a second chance, even if it only did harm and never helped anyone.

Black and white morality/terrible judgment of character:

Copy X is quick to turn against people who don’t 100% support him, best seen when he demotes the Three Guardians because Harpuia dared to question Weil’s presence. He also pretended to give Ciel a choice in giving them her new energy, but brands her a Maverick when she understandably refuses (poignant, since she’s a human, someone he’s supposed to protect). On the other hand, he completely defers to the suspicious Weil simply because he rebuilt him, even forgiving him of his war crimes a century prior.

Sonic is equally quick to put down people who call him out on his mistakes, being outright nasty to his friends. On the other hand, he’s awfully lenient when it comes to Eggman, truly believing he’s a good guy at heart despite plenty of evidence that he’s not; he also admits that he wants to leave the doctors, Eggman and Starline, free as well, even as he’s staring at the painful byproduct of such choice.

Self-praising:

Copy X calls himself “perfect” and a hero, most notably both times he was defeated by Zero.

Sonic says “we’re compassionate, not stupid” as he gets ready to free Metal.

Hypocrisy:

Aside from the Ciel part above, Copy X never seems to realize that he, as a Reploid, should be just as much as a second class citizien in the Neo Arcadia he created, and that his behavior, especially in Zero 3, would classify him as a Maverick.

Sonic makes a whole deal about giving people choices and freedom, but gets mad, judgey and patronizing when people don’t do what he wants them to do. He also urges Eggman to “come around” and become like Mr. Tinker and gets angry at Starline for “not giving him a choice”, even as Eggman never choose to become Mr. Tinker but it was the byproduct of amnesia.

Unjust authority:

Well, Copy X is a dictator who was meant to replace the real X but went haywire, so that comes without saying.

Sonic is not formerly an authority, but he sure seems to believe he’s one, judging by the way he talks. “I want everyone to have the freedom to [see the world, find all its thrills and adventures, and enjoy them], too”

Holy imagery:

Copy X’s battle armor and second form heavily resemble seraphs.

Sonic is depicted as bathed in light cascading from the sky as he looks down on Surge.

I also didn’t know where to put this but:

Copy X: You’re as entertaining as I imagined. I’m glad I’m able to have a bit of fun with someone like you.

Sonic: It’s been a while since I’ve tussled like this! I hope you’re having fun too!

#sonic the hedgehog #anti idw sonic #megaman #copy x #i wrote this one when idw 50 dropped #4 months later and it's truer than ever #i wanted to act sonic acting like a domestic abuser to surge #but there's no equivalent to copy x #sonic is worse than copy x :)

[humble-chaos]

“idw is pretty much carrying the series. if u don’t like it, then obv you barely know how to read”

hey! what if i told you im allowed to not like things? what if i told you English was NOT my first language and yea, some nuances of it are lost to me? please let me be bitter in peace as i leave you be with your joy!

#sonic idw #anti idw sonic #actually irritating to see criticism be met with ‘well u must be a fuckin idiot then!’ #like yea ppl are annoying but you know what’s even worse? dickriding! #or have it be excused by some arbitrary headcanon that changes every time to fit the narrative #city escape talks

[feline-gal]

Cirque Du Sol-Egg Troupe

(Copying description from DeviantArt..)

The IDW Sonic Comics – AKA Archie 2.0 – fucking suck, so I'm making up my own version in my head, with blackjack and hookers.. also clowns.

Starline's a perma-simp, as nature intended even if Flynn-flam didn't. He knows his fucking place underneath Eggman's boot and loves every minute of it - partially because Eggman isn't being written to be as stupid as physically possible for a guy with 300 IQ points. Doesn't get any overpowered gadgets that make other characters go “Ermahgerd! Dat's so amazingly cool! Ur so cool Starline!”.. I mean I guess the hypno-glove could do that..

Made Surge & Kit into clowns because they're a fucking joke. And renamed them to Comedy and Tragedy. They both basically volunteered for cyborgification in order to avoid dealing with their own mental problems.

Comedy's a chaotic clown lady with electrokinesis and complimentary ultra high-voltage joy buzzers implanted in her hands and feet for lethal handshakes and short bursts of lightning speed – she's not beating Sonic in a race any time soon. None of that “I'm sooo much fasterer than u!” Bullshit

Tragedy's a sad clown boy with hydrokinesis and a set of cyber eyes modded with super soaker functionality, always carries a pair of seltzer bottles around on the sides of his water tank backpack.

Together, they'll force you to laugh until you cry.

#sonic the hedgehog #starline the platypus #comedy the clown #tragedy the clown #anti idw sonic #fuck ian flynn all my homies hate ian flynn #feline-art

[bitter-sweet-coffee]

Woah I never knew you felt neutral towards IDW! We have opposite opinions on the comics… I felt Archie was rather boring and bland (when too many things go on at once I just no longer care about the story) and none of the characters clicked with me for that reason. It’s also so long, with so many side comics. I do love the Shadow stories in Sonic Universe though!

IDW is just lots of fun! Characters are introduced well I feel and none of them were put in just to be love fodder. Also no romance. That’s a huge selling point for me. I thought Eggman was quite competent, but he always has to be foiled because he is the bad guy. Starline I bet was introduced to mix things up and also a nod to Eggman fuckers, really.

No argument here! I completely respect your opinion. I like conversing with others.

i mean i think eggman is brilliant when you look at stuff like the adventure games or some of the darker lore like underground, but the whole "eggman incompetent" thing is just a blindsight that sonic fans are bound to have because of our bias (history is told by the victors, we play as sonic etc... which is why sa2 was as groundbreaking as it was for its time because we got to play an eggman campaign opposite of but complimentary to the hero story. had we not played the dark story a crucial half of sa2 would be missing, therefore representing the impact eggman and his actions/intelligence have on the sonic canon and why he's such a significant and admirable foe). when you compare archie's depth to the cowering and frequent missteps of eggman just so starline can take over,,, eh. i don't agree with you on the whole "idw characters are introduced well" thing they're quite forced imo and rely on a hyperactive positive fanbase who will take any concept of a character and run with it, so the value of the character is primarily generated by fan hype and content.

i think another problem with comics is that the hype around them... is relevant to their release. if you weren't there for archie, you probably won't care as much. idw is also as successful as it is because it's current, but if it were to end and be looked at in bulk by a future fan they'd also write it off as bland or unnecessarily complicated regardless of quality because let's face it, the sum of a comic is always going to feel confusing since it was meant to be read upon release!!! imagine if you weren't there for metal virus arc and were only now getting into idw, you'd probably feel similar to how newer fans feel about archie (but obviously not to that degree since archie is the longest running video game comic lmao)

i used to like idw a lot more but my hope for the series died out when it peaked with metal virus arc where i was willing to ignore most of its flaws. for the record though, i'm 100% happy with shadow being nerfed out of the comics during that arc because it's all people would have focused on, so with shadow disposed and sonic compromised you had room for silver, espio, amy, whisper, the babylon rogues, cream, etc... to be the heroes

as you know though bestie, no hard feelings! you raise some fair points for your opinion i just think the size and controversies of archie discourage newer fans from diving in, but they'd be surprised by how much fantastic stuff there is.

i'd recommend for people who are intimidated by archie to look up characters instead of going right for the comics. the fanon wikis are a GREAT start to introducing the lore to people, and if you fall in love with a character based on the wiki content, you can easily track which spin-offs or issues to read from there. normally this is seen as a bad thing when consuming media for a sole character or arc but with archie there's basically no other way to do it unless you're insane

#bsc words #sonic idw #sonic archie #archie sonic #anti idw sonic #neutral idw sonic #that's probably a better tag for me tbh i'm neutral af albeit quite critical #but i feel like the anti idw squad need some emotional support they get attacked a LOT #so i'm gonna keep tagging as anti just to keep em company hehe

[facundochiari]

The IDW Sonic antis are the most annoying people on this site.

Like, there’s valid reasons to not like IDW Sonic. But this people, good God, this people. 

Their arguments aren’t even making sense anymore

#idw #idw sonic #anti idw #anti idw sonic #Yeah #i want them to see this

[semi-sketchy]

Do note that Johnny/Captain Whiskers are dead

Like they are beat by Sonic 2v1, then sunk after Ghost Titan blows up

They even said all pirates are gone

Heck, they're cited as a collab for robotics later, not solely Nega's (though Nega is a whole other can of worms that can be summed up as "he's dead")

So yeah, Blaze's dimension has no real strife as a result. Which makes sense, her char arc was complete by then, and Nega took bitterness of failure to wreak havoc in Sonic's world instead after failure. Then he died

It's sad, but given how the fandom are bitching of "Shadow should've stayed dead", you'd think they'd accept one off chars and focus developing mainline ones. Instead of the few siding with Ian of saying "the Sol Dimension should go away"

Also Ian absolutely is doing this just so he can ignore other female Sonic chars

I never said they were alive. I played Rush Adventure all the way to 100%, granted it was awhile ago (I need to replay it I love that game to death), but I know the pirates end up defeated. All I said was in the comic they purposefully removed all possible conflict from Blaze's world and that's all I meant by it.

They make a point to say "Everything has been resolved! Blaze won! She can hang out with Sonic now!" as if that means no other strife can ever pop up. Yeah, Rush Adventure ends with the main villain defeated and Blaze surrounded by friends, but that doesn't mean they can't create a new conflict to kickstart another story on her world. They just don't want to.

They simply want to use Blaze, the "only kick-ass female", without any restrictions. I just don't like that solution because her being a guardian, a princess from another dimension, is part of her character. Simply making her another one of Sonic's friends to call on for Avengers-style gigs strips something away from her.

Of course it also just ignores how the Sol Emeralds can't exist in Sonic's dimension without pulling the two together and destroying both dimensions in the process. Though hey they forgot the pirates were defeated too lol whoops I don't think the comic team remembers these games

But you're right, this is so they can ignore other female Sonic characters. Because only empowering women who are total badasses make good female characters (: This is why I quit reading IDW.

#ask #sth #i'm at a loss for what to tag this #anti idw sonic #i guess? #idw sonic #fans don't look

[aquillis-main]

Hi! I am not familiar with your blog and I read this recent anon ask about idw Sonic being an asshole and not the real Sonic etc. Could you elaborate on these thoughts? Why are you against idw sonic's character traits? It's something I'm really interested in!

Alright then. I'm more than happy about someone not in the loop asking me politely about my thoughts, and generally questioning me about why I feel the way I feel about IDW Sonic's character. Let's get to the brass tacks, shall we?

The thing about IDW Sonic I hate the most is that once upon a time, you could think he was written to be like the Games version of Sonic - a character who follows his own heart, and just does heroics because he 'feels like it'. Generally free as the wind, unable to compromise on his own motivations nor attitude (unless someone brings up a really good point, like Amy does with Gamma) on life. Essentially a flat character that allows others to grow and shape themselves into something they wanted to be, then be on his merry way again.

Then, Issue 12 of IDW Sonic hit, and Sonic - despite this series, at first, stating rather clearly at the start to be 'following the games', as it opened the page just after Sonic Forces, the hit game at the time - decides to let Metal Sonic go out of a sense of 'compassion'.

This is despite the fact that Metal Sonic has been loyal to Eggman since it's inception, is a robot programmed to obey Eggman without anything to suggest otherwise, and Sonic has actively not let other robots made by Eggman the chance to escape him. (Again, besides Gamma, but that's because of Amy's influence, not of his own beliefs.)

Also, this is the same Metal Sonic that threatened most of the early issues, just to find his master (Whom at that point, was being relegated to a amnesiac plot that goes nowhere).

Things just started to go downhill from there.

The Sonic of the games would never Manipulate, Mansplain, nor Malewife his way out of a punishment/apologizing, even when the punishment/apologizing from him came from something that wasn't entirely his fault. Yet, in a good chunk of issues later, we find that Sonic of IDW would willingly do so just to get people off his back:

(Sonic the Hedgehog Issue 50)

(Sonic the Hedgehog Issue 24)

Hell, since I woke up to Sonic's portrayal being cruddy in IDW, I've found that Sonic's been doing this to other characters since Issue 6.

Mainly to 'talk' Shadow out of killing Eggman as Amnesiac Tinker. But it's obvious if you played Battle, this is extremely mean-spirited to Shadow's Character.

(Sonic the Hedgehog Issue 6)

It also doesn't help that, instead of showing compassion to his friends, he weirdly gives compassion to Eggman. You know, the guy whom, at this point, has threatened a city, threatened the world with multiple Space Stations, tried to merge realities to win, and even unleashed gods from beyond just to make Eggmanland?

(Sonic the Hedgehog Issue 32)

You know, Sonic. The guy that literally threw a rock at Eggman in the bad ending of Sonic CD.

The guy that, at the ending of Sonic Adventure 1, chased after Eggman when found out he was still alive?

The guy that, at the end of Sonic Heroes, did not help him in any way and skiddadled the moment he wanted to?

The guy that, at the end of his story in Sonic Riders, literally preformed a turbine blast at Eggman and Amy just to get the Bablyon Rogue's precious item back?

Hell, even the ending of Sonic 1 gives you the option of bapping Eggman's Eggmobile one more time, causing him to explode and fail to escape if you do.

And then, for some odd reason in the Zeti Hunt arc, Sonic starts spouting out things like 'Principles'... even though Sonic has never been a principled character in the games - he does what he wants, when he wants, it doesn't matter if he's a bad guy doing it or not.

(Sonic the Hedgehog Issue 44)

All in all, Idw Sonic is not Sonic, because he exemplifies nothing that makes him a 'Sonic'. And what little traits he has to be a 'Sonic' are swamped by the writers failing to recognize that this is not who Sonic is.

#Aquillis Answers #Shady Guy #Anti IDW Sonic #Not MY Sonic

[gritsandbrits]

What are your thoughts about SurgeAmy or SonUrge?

Not a fan of them. It's what I say about SentiOP: Surge is toxic and in order for her to be in any real relationships she has to unlearn a LOT and undergo some deep personal work.

#anti surge #gb asks #anti idw sonic

[pagonmoon]

Don't like idw sonic? Why not #ReadAnotherBook then?

Ever heard of criticism before Anon? There will be times that I either like or dislike the IDW comics depending on the writing. I even like Tangle and Whisper, even when I have issues with how the former is handled because of how similar her personality and characteristics are aline with Amy's ( regardless though I still like Tangle ).

Somehow it's fine to say how bad Pontaff's writing is, but then draw the line when it comes to how the IDW comics is written. If you have a problem with other people not liking the same thing as you do, then don't bother.

#anti idw sonic #my opinion

[crystalmaiden77real]

Which Writer made Dr. Starline most competent? Final Part: Issue 50

Also the only reason Starline takes a fall is because he just sat there on a crumbling floor despite the fact that he’d hear the city crumbling and Belle telling him that he has to get to safety. I wonder if Evan would’ve written that. She didn’t because after nothing but main issues of her, out of nowhere Flynn came back to write Issue 50 just so it could go a certain way; with character incompetence to force the villains to lose. We have Starline not being competent enough to handle his loss and save himself, Surge somehow letting herself fall when she could’ve let Sonic pull her up and then continued the fight because all she lives for is fighting with him while falling would just make her have to wait a long time before she could DO it again. And Kitsunami not restraining Tails’ tails or sending frozen sharp water tentacles at him as a weapon, because he would’ve killed him if he was remotely competent and no one wants that. It was to the point where I assumed he was not fighting hard enough on purpose because of discomfort.

I only didn’t include this as a number because I assume he’s basically had a nervous breakdown from Eggman’s victory over him, either he literally had one or it’s something almost at that level. That would make it believable for him to be so upset that he’d let himself fall on purpose despite it being obvious that it could be lethal. His loss would upset him that much because it’s been proven to him that he can’t get Eggman to take him back or replace Eggman when he looked forward to that for a while, so it’d be a big adjustment to have to settle for a new goal in life; at first with no way to achieve his current goals, all he would think is he has nothing more to live for.

Even then, Belle had to be made incompetent to force him to fall. Instead of talking being a free action so that Belle would incompetently do nothing but listen when he was complaining, when at first it just seemed like the typical villain whining that he lost anyways that would give her no incentive to listen, Belle could’ve immediately grabbed his wrist and pulled him with her and run to safety with him, refusing to let go of him. He even told her he wouldn’t dare risk damaging her in an earlier issue so maybe he wouldn’t have risked that to get her to let him go. Belle’s whole purpose is to be the most helpful robot ever, so her not helping him survive goes against not only her core being but probably her entire programming. Does she have the free will to choose not to be helpful and good, or does she not, like Mega Man? Her insisting on fixing Metal Sonic certainly implies she does not because she should've known it was a bad idea, but she just couldn't help herself. You just know if she was Mega Man X she would've saved him. Could X postpone saving someone when they could've fallen at any second and would have to hope they fell through some Rings to survive?

I don't feel like using tumblr to post much at all because it's got word limits. So the only thing I could think of doing with this, using it as a back-up wordpress, would be dragged down by being forced to split blog posts up into six million separate blocks, no thanks. I'd only stick to reposting the collages, the shortest ones, if that. Only made this account because if you wanna look at more than a few pictures on the site, you have to get an account.

#anti idw sonic #anti-idw sonic

[nervouswreck-96]

I thought Ian Flynn had finally given up with the unprompted and shoehorned song references in IDW Sonic. Then I find out he shoved ANOTHER one into the 5th anniversary bonus comic.

jesus tapdancing christ when does the pain end

#might as well bring pontaff back to the series at this point ffs #idw sonic #anti idw sonic #cancel this book already and don't give anyone the license because comics are dead