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#and a related digression but it also depends on the age you give students a foreign language - the older we get the harder it is to learn
mishkakagehishka · 1 year
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With the language speaking poll, it varies from country (and state/county in the US)
In my area you're required 2 years of a language course
Most kids take it but do the bare minimum or just don't remember it. Usually you grow up knowing that language/being taught it young. Sometimes we learn jt in school and remember enough to keep taking to learn and remember. We usually offer use it or lose it languages, which most kids don't use it and then they lose it and then no one speaks other languages
Huh! That makes sense, actually, i feel like 2 years is not nearly enough to retain enough knowledge, and not even enough to learn a lot. I think when i started studying italian in 4th grade, we didn't even get to subjunctives by the time i was 8th grade, and subjunctives are a surprisingly common form. At least to the way I speak. And even among those who took the elective third language, i know a lot of folks who don't remember a thing about it, i'm assuming because even four years of a once-per-week class isn't enough for retention.
Well, it's sad, at least to me who is linguistically inclined. Quot linguas calles tot homines vales is something i take personally lololol but right! I guess it's the sort of inertion that happens to speakers of a lingua franca, there's no "need" to learn a foreign language, so even those who are talented for languages might never find out :/
Well, I hope thanks to globalisation, at least those who like foreign languages can find ways to learn even outside of formal schooling :>
#i think you'll notice easily that i'm a bit in love with foreign languages and really defend languages as a subject in school with my life#i once saw (a native eng speaker) call foreign language subjects joke classes and useless and i felt like maiming lmao#but i feel like i totally understand what you mean#it's one thing with english - it's a mandatory 2nd language from 1st to 12th grade in my country#which means that it's standardised and you're always learning more and more and more and thanks to media#you're bound to retain it. i even had it in preschool !#and a related digression but it also depends on the age you give students a foreign language - the older we get the harder it is to learn#a language. not impossible but just more difficult. i think a huge part of the reason why i'm fluent is because of the fact that i started#learning when i was 4 years old. the third language is an elective in most 4th-8th grade classes and kids get to choose#between italian and german usually (a friend of mine took french tho) and despite the fact that they're languages we do get exposed to#but i tell you most kids i know don't remember anything. depending on the high school you either get a mandatory 3rd language or a#mandatory 3rd and 4th. again italian and/or german. but those tortured souls in classic gymnasiums had latin and ancient greek </3#even from my hs class i don't know many folks who remember much italian. it's dependant on the kid's will to learn when there's not as much#time or focus on the class bc yknow. we took the same classes yet i'm quite comfortable majoring in a language my friends can barely#introduce themselves in. such is life. i'd love languages to be more focused on especially in these times of globalisation but well#i guess it'll just always be harder to implement a focus on anything non-english#bc it's considered one of the only useful language there's the inertion in anglo countries#and the unwillingness to bother in non-anglo countries#at least in mine where kids have like 17 other subjects i can see why they'd to the bare minimum for 3rd language#even i - linguistically inclined as i am - passed on the opportunity to take french in hs because i just had enough on my plate#asks
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unweavinglies · 4 years
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Gonta Gokuhara Character Analysis: When a Genius is Treated like a Child
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So a quick disclaimer: Yes, I am very aware that this is most likely not canon, or at least not what the writers intended on being canon, nor am I saying that this is 100% canon and should be considered as such. This is just a fan theory/analysis I came up with for my own enjoyment and wanted to share with others, as I like coming up with theories/analysis posts and reworking canons to make enhanced stories and character development in my perspective. I firmly believe that the idea of making theories isn’t supposed to be a shouting contest to see which opinion is the most loud and correct, but should be something to share with others and find acceptance and understanding in different interpretations, even if you don’t agree with them.
Well, this has been a long time coming, hasn’t it?
I’ve been talking about wanting to do this analysis for months now to various friends and acquaintances, but I’ve only had the motivation to do as such recently, after writing a short story that dived deeper into Gonta’s mindset over the Mercy Killing Plot he and Kokichi attempted to carry out. Regardless of that, however, Gonta has been one of my favorite characters for quite some time, and I really feel like his character arc and the unfortunate tragedy behind the unintentional mistreatment of Gonta via his classmates.
So without further adieu, let’s talk about that--about what happens when a genius is treated like a child.
Warning, this does discuss some rather unfortunate topics, such as ableism, depression/self loathing, and the concept of mercy killing. Viewer discretion is advised.
The first thing we need to elaborate on, is why I am calling Gonta a “genius.” Gonta has shown difficulty in understanding simple concepts, and struggles to follow along complicated plots, such as we see in his Salmon Mode Event where he mentions that he cannot follow the plot of high fantasy stories because they tend to be so complicated. He even refers to himself as not very smart, tragically enough.
However, not is all what it seems for Gonta, as his intellect is a matter of fact, and not just an analysis, and the game’s introduction of him opens up this fact to the player in a round about way that may or may not be so subtle.
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Gonta admits here that he was a wild child, lost in the forest for ten years. While the logistics are... questionable, this is a work of fiction, thus I will suspend some disbelief. Gonta being lost in the forest for ten years means that he was probably about 5-8 years old when he was lost, depending on how old he is in the game.
Touching upon this briefly, studies of wild children, specifically referencing this case here, have an extremely hard time readjusting and learning to human language, customs, and interaction. The younger a child is upon becoming a wild child and the longer they are in the wild, the less likely they will be able to learn language and certain social behaviors and skills. While it is not impossible, the likelihood of Gonta being 15 or 16 in the game is very low, and even impossible once I elaborate, and we can safely assume that with the context of him being a wild child, he is probably at least 17 years old. So a safe assumption is that Gonta was lost in the forest when he was about 7.
(Note: I am very well aware of Gonta’s potential forest family not being wolves, and instead the reptites, but these creatures Gonta speaks of very well be his own imagination spiking from the isolation from humanity, or be something else entirely. Gonta makes several references to video game characters as well, claiming he met them in real life, so I consider it highly unlikely that “reptites” are an exception to this. Either way, it won’t matter if you believe otherwise, just that it may change certain aspects of what I’m about to say in regarding education and the sort.)
What’s the point of this elaboration? Well, quite a lot, once you remember that Gonta is the Ultimate Entomologist.
Firstly, there is the fact that Gonta is a high school student at all. Gonta was lost at a very young age--it would be impossible for him to be, since not only had he spent 10 years int he wild, but he also had to rejoin human society, relearn human language and customs, and then be put back into formal education. If Gonta is still a teenager and not over 21, then Gonta would have to cram in a decade’s worth of formal education into a few months, or a few years, at most.
This makes Gonta a literal prodigy.
Had Gonta not been isolated from humanity for a decade, Gonta would have been a child prodigy, a literal genius with an intellect that couldn’t be so easily matched. Having the capacity to learn advance mathematics, language (although in the English version, he is struggling with speak (speaking with the infamous “caveman” speech pattern) scientific methods, all of it within such a short amount of time proves that Gonta is, without a shred of doubt, a genius.
Even if you take the aforementioned reptites into account, it only makes Gonta’s accomplishments slightly less impressive, depending on your interpretation of what the reptites actually are. This is because Gonta still had to engage with formal education, and even in the best case scenario where the reptites were fully advanced beings with a civilization and education (which I quite doubt, if they were, then why not give Gonta back to the human race when he was still a child? Why not guide him back to his kind? Why keep him? Even if they were afraid of humanity, it would be far, far worse for the humans to find them while looking for their lost son... I digress.) Gonta still had to learn Japan’s education. Their history, their language, their social customs--and then, Gonta had to learn how to be an entomologist.
You need to go to college to be an entomologist.
According to this website here, the basic, bare bones higher education one needs in order to apply for certain positions related to entomology is a bachelor’s degree, with most positions and places requiring a doctoral decree. There are, of course, youth clubs for students under eighteen, but from my understanding, in order to be considered an entomologist, you need a college degree.
Gonta is a high school student.
For him to be considered an Ultimate Entomologist, Gonta would have to have taken college courses and gotten some kind of degree in order to be recognized as such. Thus, Gonta is still learning a higher education within a short period of time that is incredible for any human being his age, whether it be as drastic as him having no sort of education while living in the wild, or living with the reptites.
Either way, it is safe to say that Gonta is very intelligent, whether or not he is potentially a prodigy for it.
However, this has very unfortunate implications of the way Gonta is treated by his peers in the game.
Not only does Tsumugi here reenforce that idea in everyone else’s mind...
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She blatantly tells Gonta that he was being manipulated and or “tricked” into abducting everyone...
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When, in actuality, not only did Gonta know exactly what he was doing:
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Kokichi even elaborated on his plans quite explicitly to Gonta:
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And earlier on, the rest of the class had been treating him differently than they treat one another, sort of like he was a young child they needed to guide.
For example;
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Kirumi assumes Gonta is not very aware that hitting someone with such an object is dangerous... despite him being a peer to his classmates and a young man.
And when Gonta has a pretty valid concern;
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He is instructed against it and/or ignored on the subject:
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Even Kaede slips up a little;
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And during the investigation...
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Himiko is 100% convinced here that Gonta is the culprit, to the point where she is trying to trick him with this kind of phrasing.
“Are you not, not the culprit?” equates to “Are you the culprit?”
“Are you not, not, not the culprit?” equates to... I believe it would be “Are you not the culprit?”
And that’s the thing:
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Like how even I was confused and unsure about the triple ‘nots’ of Himiko’s statement, Gonta is too. Very reasonably so, actually--it’s extremely awkward phrasing purposefully meant to manipulate Gonta into saying he’s the culprit of Rantaro’s murder, and it takes Kaito and Himiko to realize that it was them causing the problem when Kaede called them out on such.
And again, after Gonta explains his actions during the murder, he gets very frustrated;
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Already, we are seeing the effects piling up, leading to a frustrated, angry outburst.
And by far, one of the worst examples of this sort of unintentional ableism is this:
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And Himiko even just... flat out does this:
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By “dumbing down” the explanation of right and left, and not noticing that Gonta is left handed, she caused him to accidentally switch the wires on the headset, causing the memory error and making this entire trial all the more worse for him. By treating him like a child, like the theme of this trial, she only made things worse for him.
And that’s the problem.
Despite Gonta trying to tell everyone that he has no idea what they’re even talking about, everyone just assumes he “can’t understand the Virtual World” and brushes him off. Again and again, Gonta was treated like a child and brushed off, and this time, it came with a heavy consequence.
These instances of “guiding” Gonta are subtle, and on their own, aren’t much to address as anything more than suggestions or words of caution. However, there is a very clear theme of “we have to tell Gonta what he should do” that starts in Chapter 1 and continues on until the end of Chapter 4. They’re unintentionally telling him that Gonta needs to be guided and needs to be reminded of pretty obvious and basic knowledge, and worst of all, that he can’t be trusted to think for himself and thus needs someone to tell him how to think and feel.
If it was one or two times, that would be a whole other story. However, these instances pile up, higher and higher throughout the entire span of Gonta’s time in the Killing Game, and the majority of the class ends up dismissing or ignoring Gonta’s concerns.
This sparks a growing desire to prove himself, to prove that he can be useful during the trials. To prove to his peers that he can do something on his own, think for himself, decide for himself, except even until his final moments;
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Even after Gonta’s Alter Ego telling himself and everyone explicitly that he was not tricked into killing Miu...
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... No one listens.
Instead of listening to Gonta, over and over, they continue to brush him off and treat him like a child they had to care for, and yet no one stopped to consider that Gonta is a young man. An intelligent, young man who’s socially awkward, but never the less, a peer to them. Yet they didn’t treat him like a peer, and in the end...
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Gonta died thinking he was an idiot. A child. A burden who made everything worse for everyone else. They all considered him as a child, and that’s how they saw him even in his final moments.
Gonta throughout the game constantly tries to prove himself, but no one is paying attention. When he learned of the Secret of the Outside World, Gonta didn’t even have anyone else to turn to for help or comfort. His feelings of uselessness compounded by the desperation to prove himself as an equal to everyone else drove him to agreeing to mercy kill the rest of the group... because how else was a stupid, burden of a child supposed to help anyone as he was? Even though he knew killing was wrong, with Kokichi’s plan, he was able to do something “for everyone,” and even that compounded into the ultimate failure.
It’s an unfortunate reality, because had the class treated him as a fellow classmate and peer, this might have been preventable.
Either way, what do you think? Was discussing the unintentional class ableism in depth towards Gonta a bit... too much? I do believe this is the first time I’ve ever done such a post, so you’ll have to forgive me. It’s also been quite a while since I made a proper analysis, hasn’t it? I must be a little rusty...
I will say--please, do not use this post for any discourse regarding the ableism and what have you if you choose to agree with this interpretation. I will not stand for it.
Either way, I hope you at least found this post to be food for thought. See you all next time.
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Murder Children & Fate
Hello we’re going to talk about a trope I like to call “murder children”.
Introduction
I think before I can start talking about murder children I should first explain what it is. As its name implies, it’s a character who either is, or looks, like a child, and kills or is interested in killing. I do not care if the character is actually 18 or older or whatever the original source material suggests—if they look like a child and are into murder, they fit into this trope.
This is a pretty popular trope, especially in Japanese media, and it has a varying degree of success. A lot of times it’s a murder little girl character. This relates to some gross stuff and while it would be great to talk about the disgusting stuff, we’re going to focus on how to write a good murder child, and how to not.
We’ll be doing this by looking at the fate series, as I’m a huge fate fan and this is the series I know the most about.
The fate series has had a murder child since its inception. This began with Illyasviel, a character who, while she is technically 18 years old, looks like a child and in her first scene, joyfully tells Shirou that if he doesn’t summon a servant he’s going to die. This has continued as fate grows, with most of the fate spin-offs having a murder child. The only one I can personally think of off the top of my head that doesn’t have a murder child is CCC (and that’s still tentative because Elizabeth returns in CCC).
With Grand Order, we have a lot more murder children. The majority are girls but depending on how you view young Gilgamesh—how he is portrayed in Prisma Illya certainly suggests that he would fit into this category—we also have three boys.
So, we are going to dissect two of my favourite characters to demonstrate how this trope can be used to say something, and how not to.
Illyasviel von Einzbern
We’re going to focus on Stay Night for hopefully obvious reasons. Prisma Illya, while it is so close to making things interesting with Kuro, falls short and ultimately removes what made Illya interesting in the original visual novel up to the point where they had to reintroduce the original main character to make the series interesting again. But I digress.
As mentioned previously, Illya is the first murder child in the fate series. In my opinion, she is the best written. Again, I hate to be that person, but if you have the time, please read the original visual novels (novels because she does show important development in Hollow Ataraxia as well).
In the original visual novels, we learn why she acts the way she does and why she has a world view that rivals what Shirou believes in. She’s in this war to prove herself, not simply to the Einzberns, but Kiritsugu, and eventually, Shirou. She wishes to prove that despite having basically grown up by herself, she is strong, and will win the war. She pushes herself past what’s healthy for her and summons a servant that most mages would not be able to control. She’s the pinnacle of the Einzbern homunculi and if she does not win, then even the epitome of homunculi construction is useless and should be abandoned. She has a lot weighing on her shoulders.
Furthermore, she has this extreme interest in Shirou. Illya is raised believing that Kiritsugu deceives her and abandons her. She’s orphaned in this cold, empty mansion. She wishes for revenge for what Kiritsugu does to her. When she learns that she cannot get this revenge, she turns her attention to the next best thing: Shirou.
She’s jealous of him. She was left behind and Shirou got the life she wanted. She becomes enraptured in him—resulting in her kidnapping him in the Fate route and also killing him a lot in the Fate route too—and wishes to figure out what it is about him. What is it about Shirou that made it so that he was the one chosen, and not her?
This all culminates into her personality. She’s seen as a murder child because she’s seen so much death at a young age having lost both of her parents early. She has a sense of superiority because at the beginning of the war, well, isn’t she the best master? She has, by all accounts, what is considered the strongest servant and has the magical prowess to control him. Finally, she has this obsession with Shirou because she feels like he took her place. This already puts her characterization leaps and bounds against the second murder child we’ll be using for contrast.
Roche Frain Yggdmillennia
If you know anything about me, you know that I love this guy. So, I am biased. Plus, it’s pretty easy to make fun of Apocrypha. A lot of Roche’s issues stem from the fact that Apocrypha is a series where each servant is trying to fight for more time, leaving most characters not fleshed out before they are killed off.
This also doesn’t help when comparing it to Stay Night. If Stay Night had only been one route, then Medea would have been a blip, we wouldn’t know who Archer is and we wouldn’t get the mapo tofu scene. However, with Strange Fake, we know that wars of this scale can be written well. Strange Fake only has one servant less than Apocrypha and has still been able to give everyone the time they needed. But that’s another meta post.
Out of all the servants in Apocrypha, I think Spartacus is the one that gets the worst treatment. Poor berserkers. However, if I was asked about which servant I think got the second worst treatment I would probably say it’s Avicebron. And, unlike the other black masters like Caules or Gordes who got more character development, as Roche is his master, he gets probably the worst treatment of actual masters that do anything in the war, maybe behind the actual train wreck that is Celenike.
I think that also the anime does an even worse job of allocating time to Roche. If you aren’t interested in reading the light novels, I’d recommend reading the manga, as it is overall doing a better job at showcasing Roche’s true personality. However, since most people know about the anime, I’ll be discussing that primarily, sometimes talking about how the light novels and the manga portray him to back this up.
While this is not really discussed in the anime, Roche is raised by golems. As such, he dislikes humans and is awkward around them. He considers speaking to humans like talking to animals. He does not have the interactions with humans necessary to work with them. This makes him unfit for this kind of war. The only person he deems important is Avicebron, who he calls teacher, as he is another golem mage who led the field.
He is also very much a murder child. When Vlad goes out to kill the clock tower mages, he’s happy to see them being slaughtered. Later on, in the manga, he can be seen kicking the dead homunculi. When Avicebron asks him if he’d prefer to watch from inside as to not get hurt, Roche tells him he wants to see the war up close. He enjoys seeing murder.
Furthermore, he is okay with murder as long as it leads to the activation of Avicebron’s noble phantasm. He doesn’t care about who has to die as long as he can see its activation—and ultimately for Avicebron to win, so he can continue to learn as his student.
If I did not tell you this however, and you only watched the anime, you might not see this. We only see Roche interacting with another character besides Avicebron twice: once when he rolls his eyes at Astolfo:
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(which funnily enough is one of my favourite reaction images)
And the other time, when he half-heartedly listens to Fiore’s commands and gives this expression to Gordes:
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These two scenes, besides one line at Darnic, are the only times we see of Roche interacting with other humans. Then, we have his death.
I’ve talked about his death before and how poorly executed it was, but overall because of how little time we get for Roche, it leaves the viewer confused. On one hand, it’s a young kid who is being betrayed and murdered. On the other hand, it’s a character that we have not gotten attached to and thus we don’t have the emotional impact.
Time to compare death scenes.
Death Scenes
Illyasviel doesn’t die, if you play the visual novel correctly, until Unlimited Blade Works. Illyasviel has a lot of development in the Fate route; turning from a murderous, young girl, into Taiga’s little sister who sometimes comes over for dinner. We learn more about her interest in Shirou, and how she acts as a grail. The climax of the Fate route involves Shirou going to fight Kirei to get her back. In sum, you as the reader have gotten close to Illyasviel at this point.
(Even more if you are like me and died a whole bunch in the Fate route and got to see her in the dojo)
When you reach Unlimited Blade Works, you don’t see Illyasviel as much, as the majority of the route is about Archer and Medea. However, there is the fight at the beginning, which diverges from your first fight with Illya. Arguably she acts more like the murder child in this fight, as Shirou does not take the blow from Berserker. The next scene is her death scene.
However, the scene (both in the anime and the visual novel) is very lengthy. We get the fight between Berserker and Gilgamesh that lasts a long time—it’s not 100% one-sided like some of the other Gilgamesh fights in the series. During this scene, we also get to learn about Illyasviel’s backstory and how she and Berserker originally bonded. We learn that Berserker is losing because of he’s trying to protect Illyasviel. We also see another side of her, not the more murderous side from the Fate route, but a strong, determined master who fully believes in her servant not because of her own strength, but because of her trust in her servant.
As we have seen all these sides to Illyasviel, her death hurts even more. It creates more of an impact when Berserker is taken down. We know that because of how she was raised, that with Berserker’s death, she feels fully alone.
Now let’s compare to Roche’s death scene.
At the point where Roche goes out to visit Avicebron, we’ve had basically 3 scenes of him: the first time we meet him, where he discusses Avicebron’s noble phantasm, the scene he has explaining how he does not care about how many people need to die just as long as he gets to see its activation, and then the scene where he’s talking to Caules, Fiore and Gordes. Those are the big scenes—we get a couple others sprinkled in, like the Astolfo rolling eyes scene, and in the light novel when Avicebron asks if Roche would like to watch from inside.
In the anime especially, all we really know about Roche (if people remember him) is that he’s a golem mage who is obsessed with his teacher and will do anything to see his noble phantasm come to life. In the manga, we get the added shots of him being happy at death, but also cut down on the scene of him talking about how he wants to see the noble phantasm come true. I personally don’t mind this as we already know that this is how he feels.
This is not enough time to grow attached to the character. We already know this. We also know that something bad is going to happen to Roche—heralded by Fiore screaming ‘Roche’! and then immediately after not seeming to care about his death—as he is no longer Avicebron’s master.
In the anime, because we have only seen one side of the character, we feel bad for Roche because all we know about him is his infatuation with his teacher. This makes Avicebron deceiving him hurt even more. They mess up the scene by trying to force in the fact that they are the same.
Yes, Avicebron and Roche are similar: they both hate humans and prefer not to interact with them. This leads Avicebron to wear a mask so he doesn’t have to look at them.
Yet, from the anime, we have no leads besides Roche cooping himself in Avicebron’s workshop to suggest that he dislikes humans. Him saying that he doesn’t matter who dies as long as Avicebron’s dream comes true ties back to the only character trait he has in the anime—his adoration for his teacher. The two scenes of him interacting with someone besides Avicebron? He rolls his eyes because Astolfo wants to get off without working, and him waving off Fiore’s comments can be seen as a younger brother type ignoring his older sister.
This doesn’t point to him being a murder child. This does not point to him being the same as Avicebron.
The anime shoving this in before his death makes no sense. It’s supposed to make us feel better about his death, to not be angry about it because in the end Roche is forgiving him, but because we have no real signs of him demonstrating this hatred for humans, we can only trust Roche’s word. This coming from a character who was clinging onto life just a minute prior.
A Good Murder Child
I will be honest. I don’t like this trope.
I find it’s too closely tied to disgusting things and rarely gets executed well. However, I do like Illyasviel. The things I do like about Illyasviel are not the fact that she is a murder child; but on the other hand, when those aspects of her tied to her being a murder child are removed, like in Prillya, she loses what makes her interesting to me.
Ultimately, what makes Illyasviel a good character is her relationships with the other characters.
With Shirou, we get to see a complex character. We see her as a murderous little girl in fate, but then also a younger sister at the end. In Unlimited Blade Works we have her as a strong and competent master, who in the end has one of the harshest death scenes in the fate universe. In Heaven’s Feel, she becomes the older sister to Shirou, where we get to dive into her complicated relationship with Kiritsugu and her family, as well as her feelings about Shirou and how they conflict with her world view.
This gets added on in Hollow Ataraxia with her relationship with Angra Mainyu.
Her relationship, as a younger sister to Taiga, is sweet, and hints at what Illya may have been like if she had been raised by Kiritsugu.
Finally, through her relationship with Berserker, we get to see two lost souls finding each other and fighting. We see their bond go from a master trying to get a wild dog to do what she wants to a trusting master-servant duo both worried about each other’s well-being. When one dies, the other realizes how much they depend on the other, and how lost they are without them.
What makes Illyasviel an interesting character is that she is not just a murder child.
A Bad Murder Child
Even if we look past the anime, there’s still so many problems with Roche. Again, it mostly stems from the fact that he does not get the time to develop. We are given information about him without really the story showing us this about him.
However, this also comes from the fact that we don’t get to see him interact with other people besides Avicebron.
If he had been given the opportunity to actively show his dislike for humans, then we could have a different emotion about his death besides, “oh well that happened.”
He has the backstory to give us an interesting character. We could have had him being forced to interact with the rest of the Black faction masters. Perhaps use something that Caules or Fiore does to make him realize that oh, maybe humans can be as cool as my teacher. Make a rift between him and Avicebron before that makes him think differently. Hey, maybe instead of just having Fiore scream his name out and say to look for him and then like, not care afterwards, maybe have her find him and make him choose between Avicebron and the Black Faction. Or, since Chiron and Achilles are also used to describe the teacher and student relationship, have Chiron save him.
Even if you wished to kill Roche, maybe have Roche as the core affect Adam.
Even if you wanted him to be this murder child, demonstrate why he hates even his allies. Show clear rifts between him and the other masters. Make him act like a child. Sure, the rolling the eyes and the shrugging off works, but if he hates humans, and thinks that interacting with humans is akin to talking to animals, make him fight their plans. Have him go against their plans and almost die from it.
There is so much possibilities that could have been added into the story to demonstrate his dislike of humans that unfortunately was not given the time. Thus, in the anime, he’s only given the role of liking his servant, and because of it the only memorable thing is his death.
In comparison, there is so much more to Illyasviel than one of her death scenes. So much that type moon decided she warranted a (much worse) spin off, and she almost had a route of her own. While she is introduced as a murder child, she becomes more than that through her relationships with the other characters. Something Roche was not given.
Conclusion
I would gladly like this trope to die off the face of the earth. Especially in fate where we got already enough, especially amongst the girl characters. However, if they are going to continue writing these characters, they should take a page out of Illya’s book.
Especially the Prillya mangaka in terms of Kuro. C’mon.
We are still in the process of writing the Apocrypha manga, and as I mentioned, it is doing a much better job at portraying Roche than the anime. I’m interested to see if they will change it or not.
If you would like to discuss, especially Roche because I love him, please feel free to message me! Thank you for reading this long meta post, I have a deep love for Roche and believe he deserved better.
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Need help choosing car insurance HELP!!! =)?
"Need help choosing car insurance HELP!!! =)?
Im 20 yrs old. i've had my drivers liscence for 2 yrs, and i have a clean driving record..I need affordable car insurance for my 01 mitsubishi, eclipse, in california... any suggestions???
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I just recently bought a 66 mustang from a private seller. My mechanic took a look at it and said it was good. I went to go pick up the car from the seller, and while driving home, 15 minutes into my drive the breaks gave out. I ended up hitting a UPS truck. My passenger and i ended up going to the hospital for injuries. I did not have insurance since i was just going to drive the car home and not drive it until i got full coverage on it. The previous owner still has insurance on the car, and i have not been to the dmv to have the title officially signed over. I need help; legal advice would be great.""
What are the payments on an Infiniti G35 Coupe?
How much for the car a month? And the insurance? If anyone has this car please let me know how much you pay for the car & the insurance. Thank you so much in advance.
Should i tell my car insurance?
i got 3 bans but now legal and got a new job as a delivery driver should i tell my insurance company and would it make my insurance cheaper
""Which medical insurance should I get, I am 26/female/Chicago?""
Hi guys! I would like to get medical insurance. I'm a 26 years old female living in Chicago. I don't work since I'm a student. My school doesn't offer any type of insurance. I'm in good health and live on my own. I have a doctor's appt tomorrow, what medical insurance is best for me? If I buy it today, can I use it tomorrow? Thanks a lot for your help!""
What is the best insurance and the cheapest one you think?
What is the best insurance and the cheapest one you think?
Does a roommate have to be on my car insurance in Fl?
I rented a room to a lady with no car she is going for a.Florida drivers license soon she moved here from another state where she had a drivers license. Am I required to put her on my car insurance?
Estimate for car insurance payment for 6 months ..?
i am looking to consolidate, and want to see what i actually spend is right or not --- what should be a reasonable bargain on car insurance ??- i pay 950 for my 05 and 08 car. is that too much .. for 6 months, driver for last 4-5 yrs ?? what do you guys pay .. i know it depends on what all coverage you end up taking, still any ideas would help ..""
How much do you spend monthly on Repairs and Maintenance for your car?
Question is pretty straight forward: How much do you spend monthly on Repairs and Maintenance for your car? (Don't include insurance or gas) Thanks
Do you think if I worked at McDonalds I could be able to afford a mustang GT and pay for car insurance?
I want to buy a mustang GT. I prefer a 99-01 year. Which would probably cost me about 400-500 a month paying car payments and car insurance. I'm only 16 years old. But I plan on getting a job when i'm 18 and buying a car. I also need to get my GED, which I start taking classes for that next fall.. because I dropped out of school for specific reasons I wont talk about here. If I work 6 hours a day and earn 7.40 an hour for 5 days a week, thats about 880 bucks a month. Plus my parents could help me out a little. I would use all the money I get from work for the car payment, insurance and gas. Would I have enough money?""
Can u get insurance on a different address to your licence?
Say i live in leeds but my friend lives in bradford and my insurance works out cheaper on their address. Can i ge insurance to her address even though i do not live there?
What is a rather cheap but reliable car insurance company?
So I need to buy insurance for the 2002 Kia Optima. I used to have The General, but that is REALLY cheap insurance and I don't know that they would pay out. Now it is winter and if it snows there is more chance of an accident so I want to make sure the car is covered. What is a good insurance company? And NOT State Farm. Our family has had horrible luck with them. Also, please no ads or spam, I will report you. I want real peoples opinions. Thanks.""
Car insurance for a 17year old help?
I just went online and was quoted 8grand to get insured to my dads 1.9 tdi VW Bora, would it be cheaper to buy a cheap car for a grand which is a 1.2 petrol engine and get that insured or should i stick to my dads car which cost 8 grand to insure? which one would end up being cheaper for me?""
Company car insurance?
Hi Can anyone help me re company car insurance I am currently getting a company car and now under the companies insurance, so dont need my own private insurance. I currently have 9 years NCD. I am now worried, what happens if I leave the company in a few years time, do I have to start from scratch again with no NCD, or can I still use my 9 years NCD anyone know (I have read they are valid for 2 years) I have asked Direct Line (my insurer) and they cant give me a straight answer, I get something different each time. I wanted to know if I was involved in an accident with company insurance I appreciate I have to state that when going back to private insurance but if I had an accident and had no NCD my premium would be sky high which I find unfair if I lose my 9 years NCD as I have not actually taken a break from driving. Does that make sense? hope someone can help me Thanks, Steve""
Teenage car insurance?
i have a question i'm planning to get a car soon and im 17. Most likly im getting a new car i don't know the exact car yet. I wana know with my age and a new car how much do you think my insurance average will be. The car is gonna be financed under my dads name so im gonna have to get full coverage insurance so i wanted to get an idea on how much it would be for me.
How much does teen car insurance cost?
I'm 16, and I'm about to get my drivers license. My dad is insured through the aarp people because its cheaper for him. he called them to ask how much it would cost to put me on his insurance, and they said 120 dollars a month. I thought this seemed a little unreasonable, because i'm just going to drive a three thousand dollar car like twice a week. How much do you/ your parents pay for car insurance for young drivers? I have good grades. can that get me a discount?""
Why is car insurance so expensive?
l am learning to drive by next year and l checked the deal on the cheapest car l could find, even a Ford Fiesta and it's a near enough 2000 for the cheapest deal l could find! My dad's is only 350 a year but obviousy because he has been driving for a lot longer but why is it so expensive? l am only 19, 20 next year if this makes a difference. l am shocked because l need a car to drive to places at some point to get hours in at work. Would my dad's insurance company let me go on his insurance?""
Monthly car insurance?
I need to find the cheapest car insurance for one month of coverage. I am working to get my car re-registered after being salvaged, so I don't have a lot of money to spend on car insurance this month. Since I live in CA and need to drive the car to get inspected, it needs insurance. All of the places I've checked have monthly rates, but I have to put a lot down and I can't afford it. Please advise.""
What will happen with my car insurance?
ok so i was driving my brothers car and i have my g1 i went to money mart and back home about an hour later police came knocking on my door asking if my brother was in a car accident so we went down to the station and the officer asked if i was driving his car i said yes , he then said that the other man that was sitting in the station got my plates and said i hit his car and cracked his bumper (very minor crack) so i said no and then officer assumed i was lying and made me write up an accident report. after when i was leaving the station the other guy asked if we could solving this without going through insurance so we exchanged numbers (their was no damage at all to my brothers car & no paint or anything on their car to prove i hit it) the next day they called and said the want a whole new bumper they dont want it patched up and they would get me a price quote they then got me a quote for $1475 for a while new bumper from ford i told them im not paying that much the only way im replacing the bumper is if my mechanic does it he said ok so i went to my mechanic told him the whole situation and he said i shouldnt be replacing the whole bumper for somthing that small but he still ordered the bumper for me i had to put a $400 down payment for the bumper and $300 after its put on. the bumper came in 2 days later and they brought their car for it to be put on when we got there they got pissed off and said this isnt a bumper straight from ford and they dont want it and left ( the bumper was brand new for the same model car and had the exact paint coat match just that it wasnt from ford) they then call me threating to take it through insurance if we dont get it from ford so i lost the $400 down payment for the bumper because they cant return it after its painted so i told my mechanic to order it from ford. but when he called for they said the dont have bumpers for that model anymore, i then call the people back and told them to take it through insurance because my mechanic cant get that bumper. So what will happen to my brothers insurance hes under 25 with his g2, and i had my g1 but it was on private property where they said the incident occurred the officer even said he cant charged me because its private property PLEASE HELP!""
Life Insurance for Children?
My husband wants us to get life insurance for our three kids. It's through Globe Life and is called the young American plan. It's a whole life insurance policy. I'm not ...show more
How long will it take insurance company to pay off stolen car?
How long will it take for insurance company to pay for car? & what happens if they recover it?
Local Car Rental Brooklyn NY No license/insurance to practice?
Local Car Rental Brooklyn NY No license/insurance to practice driving I will have a licensed person in the passenger seat, but i need a car just for one hour, to practice my skills and prepare for the exam this is very simple, i need a car to practice driving, i have about 15hrs, need mroe any local car rentals in Brooklyn NY? I do not care so much for the cost, as much as just simplifying the process of renting a car for a measly hour. Thanks""
Advice on car insurance?
I recently passed my driving test and was looking for insurance. I don't know whether I will be buying my own car or see if I can share my parents car. Just wondered if anyone can ...show more
Can anyone supply me with a link to get a FREE driving record report...without a hidden cost?
Needing to get insurance but need a report of driving record...every link I click on it ends up costing something....
Need help choosing car insurance HELP!!! =)?
Im 20 yrs old. i've had my drivers liscence for 2 yrs, and i have a clean driving record..I need affordable car insurance for my 01 mitsubishi, eclipse, in california... any suggestions???
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