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[actual-changeling]

i think one of the reasons why crowley and aziraphale stuck together for six thousand years is because when it comes down to it, they have pretty much the same problems—they're just at entirely different stages of dealing with it.

aziraphale sees god and wants to be what he thinks she wants him to be. everything they've been told as angels amounts more or less to the same personality blue-print, and he is trying to fit himself into. unfortunately, as even he realises, there is so much wrong with the standards and ideologies, his goal is not only unachievable but also fundamentally fucked up.

his current solution for that is to compartmentalise the parts that don't make sense to him and otherwise try to get as close to it as possible without abandoning what he has of himself.

meanwhile crowley never fit into that shape to begin with, not even remotely, and he fell from grace because of it. all that pain, rejection, and suffering, but there are still standards, simply different ones compared to before. if you don't fit into one shape, you're supposed to squeeze yourself into the other—but he doesn't want to.

crowley wants his freedom, to be him, whatever that turns out to mean, and he wants aziraphale there with him, and yet he cannot fully let go of god.

they're both looking at the sky and screaming love me back.

aziraphale continues because i can be what you want me to be, while crowley says i'm still your child, i still want to be wanted but for myself—you made me like this, love me like this.

they're both terrified of the way the other is dealing with it, which is why they split; it was never about miscommunication, it's a fundamental difference in beliefs that cannot be combined.

crowley could never go back to obeying that way and aziraphale cannot fathom giving up on it just yet (though in season 3 he hopefully FINALLY will).

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[actual-changeling]

y'know what i'd love to see as a cold open in season three? various demons and angels collaborating with each other in secret.

you can't tell me that somehow gabriel & beez and crowley & aziraphale are the only ones who ever thought hey maybe this system fucking sucks, especially because aziraphale is still neck deep in the denial puddle. there is nothing actively preventing them from meeting, they share a fucking elevator they can use without any restrictions. everyone in heaven is left to their own devices and lonely but they are left to their own devices. no one is watching them. no one CARES because within the system the mere thought of collaborating with the enemy is just. not taken seriously.

there are no back channels, gabriel tells michael, but they both know that there ARE back channels and that they're using them, it's exactly the same thing crowley and aziraphale are doing on earth, deny everything upfront but have secrets underneath.

the goals might differ since angels and demons don't really give a fuck about humans, but the organization is the same.

give me michael and ligur trying to undermine their bosses, give me random angels meeting with demons and exchanging information, give me a group of spies trying to come up with functional plans against new policies.

give me operatives on earth refusing to kill one another when they meet because why should they? if the world ends they might as well start another revolution because what is the point in destroying one half of all existing celestial beings?

earth was saved by humans being fundamentally human, now give me the whole of creation being saved by people who are fundamentally people, angel or demon or human. god created everyone in her image, so when it comes down to it, it's the same spark of life burning in each of them.

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[actual-changeling]

god, the more i look through the script book, the more i wish they would have kept the many threats hell threw at crowley. genuine threats of eternal torture and the implications that they have abused him like that before.

i know i have talked about this before but it never does get any less horrifying to think about.

"mortals can hope for death"

how can anyone blame him for wanting to run from that, especially once he knew they were coming after him in that exact moment? and it's the one and only time he actually wants to flee, too, and when aziraphale abandons him he still stays and fights.

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[actual-changeling]

Muriel isn't a child, they're not stupid or immature, and they CAN take care of themselves—with that, welcome to Alex's unhinged meta corner, hinged edition.

We need to talk about Muriel, so let's dive right in.

Despite the way many people depict them, they are the exact same age as every other angel, fallen or otherwise, and treating them as lesser because their mannerisms and expressions don't match up with what you think an 'adult' should look like doesn't mean they aren't one.

Not to speak of the ableism that's inherent to that kind of thinking, and actually, you know what? Before I keep talking, I want to ask you a question.

It is very common to talk about Muriel as a 'child of divorce', being 'adopted' by Crowley, someone 'precious' that needs protecting, and a lot of titles and concepts along those lines.

The question is: If, say, Uriel were in their place—sent down to earth after not being there for more than five minutes ever—would you still call him everything you call Muriel now? Would you treat him the same way you're treating them?

Would you see him the same way, and if not, why?

The question is, if any other angel were in Muriel's position, would you also infantilize them the way you currently do with Muriel?

Feel free to actually answer that question on my post or in your own, because I am genuinely curious about the reasoning, especially behind 'no' as an answer.

Heaven completely neglected them just like they did with everyone else, they were completely alone in a big, empty white room with nothing but a glass desk and presumably a chair for six thousand years—and probably even longer than that. Having someone ask them a job-related question every couple centuries doesn't even BEGIN to scratch the surface of their social needs.

When they came down to earth, it was the equivalent of one's first day at a new job, at university, at school, anywhere you had not been before but now plan on being for a while.

You come across others that have been there for twenty years and look like omniscient gods from your point of view; they run the game while you don't even know which game you're supposed to be playing. This is one of the reasons why they read as autistic to many, including myself, because that's exactly what every social situation feels like to me. That's for another post, though.

Of course they're socially awkward and easily overwhelmed! They were dropped off in a capital city after—and let me emphasise this once more—being completely alone for millennia.

The highest of the angels ordered them to do a specific job, like, fuck, I'd be having a nervous breakdown in the lift and curl up in a corner for a few hours because that thought is terrifying. Especially because failure is not something heaven accepts. Especially because they know what happens to those who disobey or disappoint in whatever shape or form.

When we see them, it is in that exact situation—talking to their bosses that they've likely never talked to before, arriving in a new world, being around new people, in a new environment, new everything. It always reminds me of this quote from Modern Family.

Muriel was assigned a rank and job just like everyone else, and they deserve the same respect and acknowledgement for it as the Guardian of the Eastern Gate or the Archangels themselves. Muriel is probably really fucking good at what they do, they've had millennia of practice, but we simply never see them in their everyday situations. Give them some time and support, and they'll be up to speed in no time.

They are not a child—don't treat them like one.

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[actual-changeling]

okay seriously what's up with the whole "god will save everyone" idea? is that a christian thing??? because i don't understand how 'no one has free will and everyone needs god to have a good life' is positive or interesting or anything except boring and honestly pretty fucked up?

what happened to free will and shaping your own life? what happened to god is playing her own game and not talking to any of us?

good omens is satire, do you really think they will just have "god is almighty" as THE solution to everything? because i sure as fuck don't and i don't think neil will go down that road either.

every single time i read about god being the secret key to all problems ever i can't help but think about 'if you don't believe in god you don't have morals' arguments. we are told over and over again that aziraphale's blind faith in the ineffable plan is useless and doesn't actually solve anything—action and deciding what kind of person you want to be do.

crowley and aziraphale did not fall in love because god made them, they CHOSE each other over and over again, despite everything and against all odds, they CHOSE to love.

love is a choice and they made it every single day, god has nothing to do with it.

obligatory side note before people decide it's fine to harass me over this, no this does not mean you can't write or believe what you want, i am not talking about fanfiction, i am talking about canon-related meta theories and s3 speculation thank you.

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[actual-changeling]

y'know, as tired as I am of the "Aziraphale has a secret plan" theories, there IS something incredibly funny about them:

somehow, it is ALWAYS Aziraphale who has the secret masterplan but never Crowley.

like—why are you assuming that Aziraphale, who has never had a good plan in his entire existence because he thinks that having God on speed dial will fix everything, is the one who came up with a plan within five minutes?

because he's the one who fucked up? because if you keep telling yourself that he was cruel for secret noble reasons you don't have to examine your own beliefs and behaviour?

because you never spared a single thought to the fact that Crowley is the one who comes up with plans, who solves mysteries and saves the day, who is always watching, always listening?

Crowley went to heaven, saw the trial and fuck knows what else, had all that time plus an entire elevator ride plus some quiet time to come up with something. Crowley has been outsmarting heaven and hell for millennia. Crowley is the brave one, the one who acts and follows through even if it hurts, the one who runs into burning buildings and burning confessions because if there is one thing he isn't, it's cowardly.

i'm putting my money on him, not on mr. "come up with something or I will never talk to you again" because Aziraphale is so reliant on Crowley he's incapable of doing anything without guidance, heavenly or otherwise. someone tells him what to do, and if it keeps him comfortable, he'll do it. if it won't, he won't.

Aziraphale, who thinks that a few stern words with the angels will fix everything wrong with heaven. Aziraphale, who thinks that appealing to God's good will has any chance of actually working out, like she didn't throw half her children into literal hell.

do I think Crowley has a secret masterplan at this stage? no, he doesn't. he's grieving, he's fucked up, he needs time to process.

but i can guarantee you that as soon as the circumstances demand action, he will be first in line with ideas while Aziraphale is still trying to get God to make an appearance and magically fix everything.

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[actual-changeling]

it's funny that crowley is the one who gets blamed whenever aziraphale fucks up, like what exactly are you trying to achieve here mate?

it was never crowley's responsibility to explain to him how fucked up heaven and hell are, and it was DEFINITELY not on him to make aziraphale respect his existence. yet he still tired! he did the work and he kept trying to teach him, but aziraphale closed his eyes and put his fingers in his ears going "lalalala i can't hear you" for centuries.

why is it CROWLEY'S fault that aziraphale was an asshole to him in the final fifteen? why is it his fault that aziraphale never got his shit together and faced his fears around questioning his faith? why are any of aziraphale's actions crowley's responsibility?

"but crowley didn't tell him about-" it doesn't matter what crowley did or didn't tell aziraphale, who is a fucking millennia old celestial being and not a toddler. crowley is not his fucking mother, aziraphale can go and learn shit himself just like crowley had to.

all the information is readily available, he could have asked crowley about things like the trial in heaven if he had actually cared about becoming a better person.

i'm so done with blaming crowley for his mistakes because it's immature, childish, and honestly pretty offensive.

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[actual-changeling]

Loosely related to that one post about why Aziraphale asked Crowley to deal with the guard, and while it is definitely a sweet thought that he did it because "Crowley likes saving him", canon does not actually support that. like at all.

I went back to watch the scene, and this is what Aziraphale yells at him when Crowley is focused on the loss of his car:

"CROWLEY! I am the nice one! You can't expect me to do the dirty work."

No compassion, no softness, no love, no nothing. Compare the way Aziraphale talks to him here to when Crowley first tells him that the bookshop burned down—they're on completely opposite ends of the spectrum.

On top of that, it's not like Crowley is hiding his feelings in this scene. How can Aziraphale look at this face and still decide that actually, his fucked up ideological hang-ups are more important than Crowley losing what is essentially everything he has; he and the Bentley are connected, he can feel it burn.

This was never about Crowley or making him feel better. This was EXACTLY the same line of thinking Aziraphale has expressed over and over throughout the centuries, including at the bandstand.

'You're the demon, you're evil and you do bad things, I'm an angel and Pure—go do the dirty work for me.'

Now, before you say "but Aziraphale dealt with the guard", go watch the clip for yourself and see how the scene progresses. The only reason he does deal with the guard is because he begins threatening to shoot them right this moment, so Aziraphale sends him Somewhere Else to avoid getting Tracy killed and himself discorporated (again).

Otherwise he would have stood in front of a kneeling, grieving Crowley and yelled at him until he did what he wanted him to. Time and time again, Aziraphale shows a complete disregard for Crowley's emotions, needs, and experiences.

Crowley is asking for one thing: To have a moment to process this loss, but no, Aziraphale does not give a single fuck because him not having to do "dirty work" is much more important than anything Crowley might be dealing with.

Using Aziraphale's "rescuing me makes him happy" line to retcon literal facts from earlier in the series simply does not work and never will.

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[actual-changeling]

"but aziraphale is traumatized—" i cannot believe i have to spell this out for some people but being traumatized does not give you a free pass to keep hurting people.

you have to take responsibility for your actions even if they are trauma based. you have to actively work on deconstructing unhealthy emotional and social responses, and people can and should not be around you if you continuously say hurtful things.

is it fair? no. it's not. it's shitty as fuck. but that does not change the fact that trauma is always just an explanation, not an excuse.

if you hurt someone while acting in a trauma response, you still need to apologize and make amends. you still need to work on not doing it again. if you accidentally punch someone in the face you still say sorry and then don't do it again.

taking responsibility for your own life, emotions, and actions is one of the core aspects of trauma therapy.

aziraphale has been hurting crowley in the same way for six thousand years and it is his fault and it is his responsibility to stop doing it. the final fifteen could have happened like that on the walls of eden, he has not put any effort into not being a total fucking asshole to crowley about his existence as a demon. he keeps reinforcing his unhealthy behaviours because it is comfortable, it's what he knows. that doesn't make him some poor, traumatized child, it makes him a millennia old celestial being that keeps being intentionally mean to his best friend.

gabriel managed to not be an asshole to beelzebub and he had four years, 99% of which were spent in heaven. if the archangel fucking gabriel, god's poster child, can manage to not insult the person he loves to their face, then aziraphale sure as fuck can too.

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[actual-changeling]

i think the reason i have a hard time feeling sorry for aziraphale is that most of his problems are either entirely self-induced or self-maintained.

i know people like him, i've dated people like him, and it was fucking torture.

people that constantly whine about this and that, that complain to you they cannot do x or are forced to do y, that 'something' or 'someone' is stopping them from finding happiness and there's nothing they can do but suffer.

but whenever you give them functional solutions to their problems they don't want them. they will either keep arguing with you, and/or get upset and/or completely dismiss you every single time you try to bring it up.

aziraphale doesn't WANT crowley's solutions to the problems he created for himself. what he WANTS are crowley's permission and validation to keep feeling sorry for himself and do jack shit about it.

what he WANTS is to keep playing the damsel in moral distress that is oh so stuck, and crowley has to bend over backwards because aziraphale? working on himself and looking in the mirror for once? impossible, how dare you ask that of him.

if he had actually accepted crowley's offers to help and support him, if he had acknowledged his problems and faced them instead of turning around, putting his fingers in his ears, and going lalalala i can't here you—then i would empathize with him. then i would feel sorry for him.

but he didn't and so i don't, and i will not start until he fucking stops whining and solves his issues for once in his life.

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[actual-changeling]

aziraphale isn't a hedonist he just does and consumes things he enjoys. why are we labeling him he's literally just vibing dude.

would you call yourself a hedonist because you eat food you like and do things that make you happy? no. so why call him one. hedonism is connected to morality philosophy and surprise surprise good omens is not a fan of "good" and "bad" as categories.

he's simply existing just like crowley just like everyone else so can we please just. not

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[actual-changeling]

"you're being silly"

wow i wonder what gabriel-related, set on fire and burned, 'pretending to be someone you are not' related incident crowley might be remembering.

no one ever lied about their identity in the face of heaven and hell haha am i right. never happened before. and gabriel definitely does NOT have ANY reason to hold a grudge right, perfectly happy archangel with a ruined apocalypse who has never been mean to anyone ever.

and locking him in what was once a safe place with a person that is probably connected to his fall and the most traumatic moments of his existence definitely did not trigger any hypervigilance or paranoia.

crowley is just being silly, isn't he. nothing to take seriously here. yes, why doesn't he want to wait inside? a riddle that will never be solved, an eternal mystery.

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[actual-changeling]

(Same anon who talked abt unintentional emotional manipulation) Okay, I don’t fully agree but I think I understand where you’re coming from. I just have one clarifying question: do you think the kiss was emotionally manipulative? I’m curious how big the difference between what we think the kiss meant as the audience vs what aziraphale thinks the kiss meant.

I'm glad it helped!

Perfectly fine if you have your interpretations, feel free to elaborate if you want to, I'm always curious.

As for the kiss—I wouldn't say it was manipulative because Crowley did not kiss him with a specific intention. He did not kiss Aziraphale to change his mind or to make him feel bad, he did not kiss him as some sort of revenge or anything else.

In my opinion, Crowley kissed him without fully meaning to/actively making that decision. It just all kinda bubbled over and he probably realized even earlier in the conversation that if there's something he has ever wanted to tell Aziraphale, now is his last chance. Leaving without ever having kissed him just seemed like the worst possible option, and he acted on impulse.

Aziraphale's moment of "oh fuck, THIS is what Crowley has been trying to tell me the entire time" followed by "we could have been us" was painful, it hurt, it made him desperate. For CENTURIES he has been trying to get Aziraphale to listen to him, and this conversation was no exception; Aziraphale did not listen or understand.

But he did in that moment. The nightingale comment means something to them, and that meaning carries enough importance and emotional weight it was basically a wrecking ball coming through the window.

This, plus Aziraphale turning away from Crowley, plus everything that has happened that week—Crowley was an emotional wreck and the kiss just kinda happened without any intention or goal.

It was an I love you, an this is everything I could never tell you, and a good bye.

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[actual-changeling]

Let's have a proper look at canon, @kimberellaroo, because you seem to have not done that in a while.

Aziraphale worked out where the Antichrist was

There was nothing to "work out". Agnes told him as plainly and clearly as she could, so let's have a look at what the script book says.

She TELLS him that it's in Tadfield, which in by itself is already enough to know, the number is just the cherry on top. She then tells him exactly where to look for the number

It can't be that simple—it WAS that bloody simple. Literally anyone and everyone could have figured that out, the only task here was reading through the prophecies themselves. No riddles, no mysteries, just the most idiot-proof instructions a medieval witch could have left for someone in the future.

and told Crowley where to go.

After lying to his face, insulting him, insulting their friendship, and basically telling him to fuck off. He ONLY told him because he literally did not have a body anymore and it was the only way of making sure at least one celestial being would have the chance to stop Armageddon.

It was him that thought to go to the convent looking for birth records.

Do you think Crowley is fucking stupid? Records are the obvious choice here, and without Crowley, Aziraphale would not have known where to go.

Oh look, Aziraphale crediting Crowley.

Now, since you don't seem to remember the show, let's see how that conversation progresses—because Aziraphale's "idea" stops here. Records, great, what then?

And there is absolutely no indication that Crowley did not already think about records already anyway, Aziraphale just said it out loud first. Without Crowley, Aziraphale would have watched the world burn from his bookshop. Running into Anathema was an accident that he cannot be credited for in any capacity, so let's just not go there.

He had the "is that the ineffable plan?" epiphany.

Bold to call that an epiphany. Crowley already KNEW that those were two different hings, he's known all along—the only NEW thing here is the fact that apparently before that moment, no one else did.

No surprise about the Great Plan and the Ineffable Plan being different, simply the realisation that none of the angels or demons ever made that connection. By the way, there's proof that he knew, which is bloody obvious if you pay the least bit of attention, but let's look at the script again.

Aziraphale has not made that connection yet because he still thinks God is connected to the Great Plan, but just to emphasise this again, Crowley already knew.

He did the halo trick to fight off a hoard of demons.

Did you watch that fight play out? The halo was a last ditch effort, his great plan was throwing books and fire extinguishers and oh, look, he didn't even come up with that. The portal was his only idea, and then what? He did not think further than that.

He thwarted Furfur.

LITERALLY dumb luck. We've seen him fumble magic all evening, the fact that he got it right "the time that matters" is nothing but a well-timed accident. No skill. No "ideas", either. This was a spur of the moment decision.

He went off to Edinburgh following a lead that might explain Gabriel's condition.

No, he did not. He coerced Crowley into giving him the Bentley, left him alone with a person that has deeply traumatized him, and then went down memory lane and did a horrible cosplay of a journalist for funsies. He discovered absolutely nothing of use, that trip was unnecessary and entirely useless. Crowley figured everything out, hell, Crowley figured out MORE during Aziraphale's time in Edinburgh than Aziraphale.

Is he smart? Sure, he's booksmart and six thousand years old, there's a lot of knowledge in his head. But he is horrible at making plans or looking further than the tip of his nose. Crowley had to save their asses again and again and again, so the fact that everyone seems to think Aziraphale is the one with a secret plan is frankly insulting.

If there is any evidence of Aziraphale being great at secret plans, please do show me, because he got fooled by NAZIS; that's like, the lowest of lowest situations to be in. He gets overexcited and stops thinking—exactly the reason why he is in heaven now and Crowley rightfully hurt and angry.

One last thing—NONE of this takes into account that were it not for Crowley, Aziraphale would not have wanted to stop the entire thing in the first place. Crowley had to convince him. Aziraphale did absolutely jack-shit.

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[actual-changeling]

Hello! I don’t disagree with anything from your post about how Aziraphale emotionally manipulated Crowley during the final fifteen. I just have a few questions on your opinion on the whole situation regarding Aziraphale.

I do agree that he may have said some of the sentences at the end of the intentionally to try and get Crowley to come back with him, and undermines Crowley with some of it as well, But I think that some of what he says at the beginning of what you were looking at come from a place of what he truly does want for both of them. The ‘I need you’ and ‘we can be together’ I have always felt are completely genuine, and coming from a place of want/fear. Do you think that these were said to try and manipulate Crowley at an unconscious level, or from a place of want and/or fear? To repeat, I don’t want to come off mean at all, I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said previously, and I do agree that the words that I mentioned were a part of the emotional manipulation. I’m sorry if you mentioned the answer to this before! Have a good rest of your day!

You're all good, don't worry!

Do you think that these were said to try and manipulate Crowley at an unconscious level, or from a place of want and/or fear?

The fun part is that we don't have to choose one or the other because it can be—and in my opinion is—both.

Aziraphale very much does need Crowley, he has been using him as his crutch in dangerous situations since the very beginning. Everything that he tells him during their argument is something he truly believes in one way or another, but he isn't blindly following his thoughts and opinions. He knows that many parts of his moral ideology are hurtful towards Crowley or factually incorrect, but he clings to them regardless because it's the most comfortable position for him to be in.

This puts him in a position where he can choose what he wants to say and how he wants to say it. Since he wants to manipulate Crowley into returning to heaven with him, he voices emotions and thoughts he'd otherwise keep quiet.

I need you—he does need him, but the fact that he is choosing to say it in this specific moment in that specific tone is a clear attempt at manipulation. Aziraphale KNOWS Crowley is a nervous wreck when it comes to his safety, so that is where he tries to get hm. Make him scared enough for Aziraphale's well-being and he will tear himself to pieces to save him; it has worked in the past, and he expects it to work now.

When it doesn't, he resorts to "I don't think you understand what I'm offering you" and then to silent treatment & emotional rejection.

If you are incredibly familiar with another person, you know their weak points and buttons and how to exploit & press them. For example, let's say you're having an argument with a friend or partner and you know you made a mistake and are in the wrong.

However, you feel ashamed and embarrassed, you get defensive and know that if you were to openly express how bad you are feeling right now, they would try to appease you instead because that's one of their weaknesses; whenever someone else is upset, they prioritize them over themselves.

So what do you do?

Telling them that you feel bad would be the truth and you do want their comfort, but would it be fair?´Would it show respect for who they are and the relationship you have with them? Or are you going to actively emotionally manipulate them because you can and are uncomfortable?

Aziraphale voicing all of those sentiments is disrespecting Crowley and their relationship because he is 100% aware of the impact. It is not nice, it's not fair, it's mean and unkind, it borders on cruel.

Sometimes you have to swallow your emotions and discomfort and be emotionally mature. Sometimes you are simply in the wrong and "compromising" means growing the fuck up and taking responsibility for you mistakes. You can always deal with your shit later once everything has calmed down instead of putting your comfort above your friend's well-being.

I hope this answered your question, feel free to ask for clarification if needed; have a good day!

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