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straightfromthetorturedpoetsdept · 1 year

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Another reason I cannot stand conspiracy kaylors is because it's all allistic BULLSHIT backing up their insanity.

"Maybe Joe feels like he deserves a grammy because of the fact that he's her beard and the subject of her albums supposedly" is just making an assumption, you morons.

Where is your evidence for this? Like, you're literally saying negative things about joe with zero evidence and claiming that proves he's a beard?!!?!?!?!?

I hate the ableism on display whenever they talk about joe. I dont know if Joe is autistic, that's not the point I'm getting at here, but he displays a lot of traits that are associated with autism and by demonizing those traits, you are subliminally demonizing autistic traits and not realizing it.

"Why doesn't he post about taylor more often" he doesn't want to is not a valid reason to these morons but it in fact is a fucking a valid reason. He doesn't want to is the simplest explanation, requires the least amount of guessing about his personal life and doesn't demonize normal people who just don't like sharing their personal life online.

"I didn't like the way he said this about folklore so obviously he's lying. Look at his body language!" Ableism. This is just ableism.

Body language science is not real. It's pseudoscience. You cannot know the emotions and intents of another human being but especially not fucking celebrities. Are yall morons?

Sorry, I just hate how much of these theories are just "he licks his lips, he's lying" "I want to see Joe post more photos on Instagram congratulating taylor for her work" "I want to see them at awards shows together" oh this one INFURIATES me

Because if I was famous with my current boyfriend, he would literally never come with me anywhere because he is fucking autistic and would have a meltdown after a couple of hours.

Like, none of this is evidence that taylor is in a beard contract with Joe and I don't understand how you can listen to dear reader, high infidelity, bejeweled and not see how much she hated the Calvin situation, how would her label forcing her into the closet even make sense when we know that lover is a coming out era?????????? It just doesn't fucking compute... you look insane out here babes.

And none of these theories hold any water because "maybe he's autistic" explains literally everything that you could think of for why kaylors complain about joe not being a "real" bf because they're so used to seeing allistics in love, they think that's the norm.

If yall saw me and my bf, yall would think we were roommates or something because he doesn't do anything that yall might consider "romantic" but what he does do is show up for me, worry about me in real ways (I talk about the water bottle thing a lot but it just is such a perfect example of who he is and why I love him so much), and just he shows ME how much he loves me and that's enough for me and it's enough for everyone in a healthy relationship.

Social media has melted yall brains and it shows.

Anyways, I'd rather take the one assumption over the gazillion and a half you have to make in the joe is the literal devil theory yall run with.

#gaylor #kaylor #taylor swift #toe

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fearsmagazine · 9 months

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FROM THE SHADOWS - Review

DISTRIBUTOR: Stonecutter Media

SYNOPSIS: Enigmatic leader of the Hidden Wisdom cult, Dr. Joseph Cawl , and eighteen of his followers die in a suspicious fire. Five young survivors, suspected of igniting the blaze, reach out to paranormal researcher Amara Rowan in hopes of uncovering the real cause of the blaze. When they expose the truth behind the disappearance of Cawl’s partner, Dr. Leonard Bertram, they become the target of a deranged killer who is dead set on terminating them all.

REVIEW: FROM THE SHADOWS mixes smartphone footage, computer conference footage and traditional cinematic narrative to present a tale of spiritual academics who unleash an ancient power that threatens to destroy things. It’s an awkward mix of narrative and visual styles that becomes a bit confusing and is more of a classic b-movie horror tale.

There’s nothing new to the plot, I’ve seen one version or another of it over the years regardless of the visual style. The story doesn’t capture many of the more current genre themes. Survivors are taken out one by one, and as it is whittled down to the core few mysteries are revealed. At their university library location Amara and her colleague are under attack by phantom creatures. As he tries to assist her and the folks on the computer he endeavors to keep them from getting in. The story is slow paced due to a lot of talking heads grinding exposition out. Much of it is explaining what is going on for what is supposedly the audience’s benefit.There are “ancient” images, V-Tech, that tap into this mystical power, which was the cause of the fire and unleash these spirits. AT one point one of the characters brings in a Native American element to the story. Some of the dialogue is a bit rough, such as “this is a scary situation and we need to figure this out together.” There is nothing that makes these characters stand out and I couldn’t find a hook for my emotions or any empathy for them.

The film’s production values are utilitarian. Talking heads and sequences that feel like late night infomercials, cut together with Amara and her assistant doing things and looking at screens.. As such, the film frequently flips between aspect ratios to accommodate the formats. They play with a variety of formats sometimes it doesn't make sense, especially for the horror sequences where characters are just yelling at screens. Many of the locations are adequate, some look like computer backgrounds and there is a sequence with Doctor Dré that appears to be thrown together on short notice, his wardrobe looks like what he walked in wearing. The visual effects were okay, looking like 90’s computer game animation, especially the shadow people. The physical effects and creature designs by Vincent J. Guastini are interesting and thought it could have been shot more effectively. At one point in the film they ask Amara to focus on a series of images. Of all the different artistic styles and artists, even computer generated images, these didn’t have any gravitas.

I appreciated the sound design and enjoyed the score by composer Alan Howarth. The score covers a lot of the film, the driving force of the film’s atmosphere. The two work in tandem to enhance the film’s scares.

The film is carried by the acting talents of Keith David, Bruce Davison and Selena Anduze. The rest of the cast comes across as a collection of horror character cliches waiting to be murdered. They spend most of the time creating a limited number of facial expressions in an attempt to hold the audience’s interest.

FROM THE SHADOWS feels like an old school horror film bogged down by an attempt to be clever by adapting it for new technologies. As they are not hard fast with their use of the technology format, it might have added a bit more energy if they shot some more traditional styles for the other characters. The film is definitely a better film than many of the genre submissions I review for the festivals, it did take me a few views to get through.

CAST: Keith David, Bruce Davison, Selena Anduze, Jim Thalman, Claire Mack, Ester Tania, Ian Whitt, Ed Lover, Doctor Dré, and T-Money. CREW: Director/Screenplay - Mike Sargent; Screenplay/Producer - Michael Kuciak; Producers - Michael Alden, Stacia Fernandez, Ian Holt, & Tom Polum; Cinematographer - David Landau; Score - Alan Howarth; Editor - Ryan Kelly; Production Designer - Alanis Jarlson; Special Effects Makeup - Vincent J. Guastini; Sound Designer - Cece Hall OFFICIAL: fromtheshadowsfilm.com FACEBOOK: www.facebook.com/FilmFTS TWITTER: N.A. TRAILER: https://youtu.be/2w2EFQNnYpE?si=wn3poWc4gQ4ypBrg RELEASE DATE: Premiere in LA Sept 19th & in Theaters Sept 22nd, 2023

**Until we can all head back into the theaters our “COVID Reel Value” will be similar to how you rate a film on digital platforms - 👍 (Like), 👌 (It’s just okay), or 👎 (Dislike)

Reviewed by Joseph B Mauceri

#film review #movie review #fromtheshadows #Mike Sargent #Michael Kuciak #keith david #bruce davison #Selena Anduze #horror #supernatural #joseph b mauceri #joseph mauceri #cult

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scruffyssketchbook · 3 years

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I've been really inactive lately, so I'll try to get this posted.

I noticed something that might classify as a plot hole. The PC system add-on that allows pokemon to get injured.

For starters, we never get an explanation for why this add-on was added in the first place. Supposedly, Vay was loopy from his "karp krakers", and put the add-on into the PC without thinking.

Also, we never get an explanation as to how this add-on works. Or, more accurately, how the PC works. Does the PC normally prevent the eevees from feeling pain and being injured at all? For example, even if Blizz tried his hardest, punching someone would be like punching a brick wall for an average person. Or, does the PC simply heal any major injuries the eevees take on? Or is it somewhere in between?

I know that, from the perspective that this is a comic that needs drama, having the add-on allows characters to hurt each other. (See Jed and Shane.) But, from an in comic perspective, this makes no sense.

Secondly, even if we did have a good explanation for how the add-on came to be, why didn't the trainer just get rid of it. And I don't want the explanation that she's stupid. She is 16, she knows how to work a computer. Even if she didn't, she could force Vay to do it, or get Bede (The person who runs the PC system in Sinho) to do it. I also don't want the explanation that she is negligent. She is, but she took the time to look into it after Harmony got hurt. I doubt she would just turn around and do nothing after learning about the add-on.

I may be missing context here, as there is one comic page that I can't access, the page 100 variation on patreon. Maybe there's an explanation in there, but I wouldn't know.

Thirdly, even if we ignore the trainer, what about Dusk? We already know that he has tried to get Blizz to work with him in stopping Icedrop and Greenpaw from fighting. Not to beat around the bush, Greenpaw does bully Icedrop, they just do it in a more covert, mental, and emotional way than Icedrop bullies Greenpaw.

However, Blizz refuses to help, partially because both Dusk and Blizz are petty. If Dusk genuinely wants to stop Icedrop, why not just get rid of the add-on? We know Dusk can manipulate electronics, so why not just delete the add-on, either from within the PC, or sneakily from outside it? Furthermore, Dusk is not stupid. He knows that Vay added the add-on, or at least could figure that out. He and Vay are also in good relations, so why doesn't he, or hasn't he, asked Vay to get rid of the add-on?

The explanation of "Dusk is just a jerk" does not work. Dusk can be a jerk, but everything he does he does for a reason. Most of him being a jerk comes from him being egotistical, narcissistic, and thinking he knows what's best for everyone even when he doesn't.

The only explanation that works is that he doesn't get rid of the add-on due to the fact it would put Daisy and the other hospital vees out of a job.

Last, but certainly not least, is the fact that pokemon other than eevee exist in the trainer's PC. We even get to see one of the other boxes. My point here is that the other pokemon would notice something wrong eventually. Best case senario, they notice due to realizing they can feel pain. Worst, they notice due to a major injury not being healed by the PC.

Those pokemon would want to know what happened. Amusing they either are told the truth or find out on their own, why wouldn't they ask Vay to take off the add-on. If Dusk (since he is the only one I can think of who would try to spin a story) told them a lie, then would every pokemon in the entire PC believe him. Charm and smooth words can only go so far.

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I have two extra questions I thought up while writing this.

Bonus question 1: How did the trainer know that Harmony was injured? Did vay tell her? She check the pokemon's health in the PC often (both stat, and convential health)?

Bonus 2: If we know pokemon can learn to read and write, then why have none of the pokemon other than Vay tried to communicate with their trainer. What is the point of using Vay as a translator, when the pokemon could just write to the trianer? Do they just want to hide how much they know?

On top of that, if pokemon can learn to use computers, what's stooping them from just using text to speech, completely circumventing Vay all together.

bonus 3: Do the pokemon age in the PC? We know Eve is around two years old, so is she physically still a newborn, or has she physically grown?

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Summary/tl;dr

q1: What are the specifics of how the damage allowing add-on was put into the PC?

q2: How does this add-on, and the PC system's healing ability, work?

q3: Why didn't their trainer take the add-on off the PC?

q4: Why didn't Dusk take the add-on off the PC?

q5: Why didn't any of the other pokemon in the PC take off the add-on?

bq1: How did the trainer know that Harmony was injured?

bq2: Why don't we ever see pokemon that know how to write communicate with the trainer?

bq3: Do the pokemon physically age in the PC?

Author chan: Over here asking the important questions! Alright! I can explain!

The mod basically prevents pokemon from healing without outside means like things that can heal a pokemon, Potions, full heals, antidotes, etc etc. This is why it's called the Damage keeper mod.

Normally in the PC, pokemon can feel pain, but they will quickly heal overtime, but with the mod, it just stops this function all together. Usually in the world, it's used with the "No heal on Entrance" mod for trainers who participate in Nuzlocke challenges.

Vay inputted the Damage keeper mod into the PC for one reason, and one reason only. No, he wasn't loopy, He knew what he was doing, and added it on purpose. It was a pretty selfish decision all in all, but I can't say the reason why. It's vaguely hinted to tho. Yes! It makes no sense to have a mod like that inputted in universe. Literally no other character would ever put in this mod into the if given the chance! But, Vay put it in for a specific purpose. Said purpose was actually shown in "Battle scars". Now. Why would Vay do this? Why would he input a mod that makes all pokemon to keep the damage they receive in the box?

Well. He simply only thinks of himself. He didn't think or care about the effect the mod would have on the other pokemon in the PC, just how he could use it to do what he wanted to do. And yes. Vay is a jerk. He's my least favorite main for a reason, you know.

Next up!

As said in comic 200c, Mods are very hard to take off. Why? Well. We are dealing with actual creatures. One wrong move and hundreds of them will get corrupted and essentially die. This isn't like Minecraft, despite me comparing the PC to a minecraft server for explaining how it works to others. Since this mod affects the pokemon directly, its harder to remove because it’s just a big risk for the pokemon. This is also why Dusk cant just remove it. It is too big of a risk to all the pokemon in the PC, which there are over 1000 of at this point. Healing items and free hospitals are a temporary fix.

Also! Blizz does try to help with the bullying, as seen with comic #302, where he states "It's a misunderstanding" followed by text covered by Bolt talking/ignoring him saying "I saw a greenpaw eevee being bullied by Mike and Tike and-" Which, we see on page #298 Tike was the eevee he was punishing.

Lastly! Why don't the other pokemon notice. Well, The few who have been in a PC before do, but most of the pokemon were wild pokemon before they appeared in the PC, so they don’t know how a normal PC feels like. And ofc, how would a pokemon know who to ask about why the PC works the way it does? Mods are common in the world, cause trainers like to give PC pokemon things to do while rotting away. This is actually going to be talked about with Eevui, the new Eevee the trainer obtained via wondertrading. He was in a normal PC before he was traded, so he'd notice the difference, and will comment on it. Funny thing, I have a comic about him trying to describe the PC to pokemon who never been in one before before he goes in the trainer's pc, and it looks completely different from OUR PC box.

Bonus Questions!!

Harmony was brought out of the PC, to the pokemon center, and a nurse Joy informed her that her pokemon was badly injured.

Bro, you so right. I realized this last year and was like "omg" until I remembered that- Pokemon language is different from human language. Ofc, there are pokemon who can read human language in the world, but pokemon and human stuff are different. And in the PC, things are translated into pokemon if not already in pokemon. This does mean pokemon can write to the trainer and it can get translated, but Vay is just an easier method of translation, especially for pokemon who have a harder time reading, writing, and typing (also there are different pokemon languages as well so oof) then like. Not every pokemon knows how to read and write. It’s a privlage usually given only to few captive pokemon. Wild pokemon learning how to read/write in their own language is VERY RARE, especially due to the lack of materials. And the only civilized boxes in the PC are box 1, 2, and 3, so only pokemon living in those boxes have a reason to learn how to read, and resources to learn.

Pokemon are born the height that they stay at all their life, unless they evolve. (Or are Nego. The little weirdo) This is to mimic how it is in pokemon games. So, no. Pokemon don't physically grow. They DO mentally age however. Pokemon tend to age mentally at different rates, so for example, a newborn who is immediately thrusted into situations not meant for a baby (ie, breeding, battling, contests) will mentally age faster than someone (like Eve) Who has stayed in the PC all their life. Nego and Eve are about the same age (Nego being 6 months older) Yet, Nego acts like an infant while Eve does not. This is because Nego ages physically and mentally like a human, while Eve ages quicker mentally, like pokemon do. This also tends to mean that when a pokemon is born doesn't matter much, as they can mentally be ahead or behind.

I hope these answered your questions!! I like talking about SSEC world building! (Its just that I never have the chance to talk about it in detail QuQ)

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the-nubiest · 3 years

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If my Indra OCs were LIs in Sweet Elite

I have another blog, explaining who they are, but I'm only doing 6 of the 9 main characters due to ages (one identify as AroAce). I'll reblog their actual descriptions once I posted this. Since their actual names are out of place. I'll be using modernised names to fit. (All of them are in their 20s, so they're deaged to be the same age as the Main 10)

(Thea) (Actual name: Theodora)

(General Information)

Full name: Thea Entari

Birthday: July 14

Gender: Female

Department: Health Sciences and Biology

Concentration: Veterinary Medicine

Nationality: Indonesian

Citizen: No

Height: 5'8/172 cm

Prof. Affiliations: N/A

(Skills)

Theory: ⬜⬜⬜ /5

Academics: ⬜⬜⬜⬜ /5

Teamwork: ⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜ /5

Extracurricular: ⬜⬜⬜⬜ /5

Laboratory: ⬜⬜⬜⬜ /5

(General comments)

"Quite the talented student. From what I have seen, she is ambitious and determined to a fault. With a sense of compassion towards animals, but that exact ambition might be a slight weakness to her. Her high achieving past, makes her quite the strict person with people. Her teamwork might be through the roof as she is charismatic, it's her high expectations of others that affect the dynamic. If Thea learns how to listen to others and take criticism, she'll be one of the best vets in the field." - Dr. Meifeng Wu

(Academic Record)

Strengths: Biology, Chemistry, Mathematics

Weaknesses: Economics, Fine Arts

Notes: "Diligent and has one of the best work ethics I have seen in my class. If she doesn't talk to her classmates that often, she would focus better." - Dr. Meifeng Wu

(Health Record)

Received a severe left arm injury when she was 14

Excused from participating in Phys. Ed

(Awards and Honors)

Won most popular in her department

See comprehensive list of sports tournaments

(Disciplinary Actions)

N/A

(Extras)

Volunteers at the local animal shelter

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(Conr) (Actual name: Cyrus)

(General Information)

Full Name: Conroy Entari

Birthday: February 4

Gender: Male

Department: Business, Commerce, & Politics

Concentration: Political Science

Nationality: Indonesian

Citizen: No

Height: 6'1/185 cm

Prof. Affiliations: N/A

(Skills)

Leadership: ⬜⬜⬜ /5

Academics: ⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜ /5

Teamwork: ⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜ /5

Extracurricular: ⬜⬜ /5

Initiative: ⬜⬜⬜⬜ /5

(General comments)

"Hardworking and creative. He is not the most social person, but Conr knows how to talk his way through things. Except, being too compassionate and emotional may affect his work to become a politician. Looking at the emotions more than the facts. While that is a good thing, it could affect his reputation as a future political figure. If Conr learns how to take both sides and think it through, he'll be one of the most respected politicians in his time." - Lady Ameilia Arlington

(Academic Record)

Strengths: History, Politics, Chemistry, Humanities

Weaknesses: Performing Arts, Languages

Notes: "Hardworking and great work ethic. Gets distracted quite easily by classmates." - Lady Ameilia Arlington

(Health Record)

N/A

(Awards and Honors)

See comprehensive list of won debate tournaments

(Disciplinary Actions)

N/A

(Extras)

Part of Arlington's debate team, and its captain

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(Amara) (Actual name: Astarte)

(General Information)

Full name: Amara Ijaya

Birthday: September 18

Gender: Female

Department: Athletics

Concentration: Track & Field

Nationality: Iranian

Citizen: No

Height: 5'4/162 cm

Prof. Affiliations: International Olympic Comittee

(Skills)

Physical: ⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜ /5

Academics: ⬜⬜⬜ /5

Teamwork: ⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜ /5

Extracurricular: ⬜⬜⬜ /5

Discipline: ⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜ /5

(General Comments)

"Amala is a disciplined athlete and probably one of the best pole vaulters and sprinters that I have seen. She knows how to control herself both mentally and physically, but not emotionally. I hope she speaks up for herself at times; most of the time, she's concerningly quiet. Relies on others to speak for her. I think why she chose track and those specific events, it's because Amala doesn't want to deal with people." - Murdoc Davis

(Academic Records)

Strengths: Athletics, Mathematics, Fine Arts, Economics

Weaknesses: Chemistry, Biology, Humanities

Notes: "Knows how to get her work done in time. Doesn't interact often, where some points get taken off due to lack of participation." - Murdoc Davis

(Health Record)

Requires above average focus on endurance training

(Awards and Honors)

Voted most likely by classmates to win gold at her first event

See comprehensive list of won national events

(Disciplinary Actions)

N/A

(Extras)

N/A

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(Thierry) (Actual name: Teucer/⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜)

(General Information)

Full name: Classified, supposedly uses Thierry Asinan to protect his real one

Birthday: April 8

Gender: Male

Department: Business, Commerce, & Politics

Concentration: Management

Nationality: Italian-French

Citizen: No (Dual)

Height: 5'11/180

Prof. Affiliations: Classified

(Skills)

Leadership: ⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜ /5

Academics: ⬜⬜⬜⬜ /5

Teamwork: ⬜⬜ /5

Extracurricular: ⬜⬜⬜ /5

Initiative: ⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜ /5

(General Comments)

"He's a good kid. Loyal from what I have seen. He's determined and stubborn, willing to get to one goal, just to finish it. Thierry's convictions are quite impressive to say the least. Due to personal reasons, I cannot explain any more of his personal interest. I can say his teamwork needs improvement, he doesn't know how to communicate with people that well. If Thierry learns how to talk to others, he'll be one of the greatest businessmen." - Lady Ameilia Arlington

(Academic Record)

Strengths: Economics, Physical Education, History, Performing Arts

Weaknesses: Fine Arts, Biology

Notes: "His convictions is a reason why he is in the top 10. He needs to communicate with others more often to get better rankings." - Lady Ameilia Arlington

(Health Record)

N/A

(Awards and Honors)

Won in top 3 in stock market simulation

See comprehensive list of won speech tournaments

(Disciplinary Actions)

N/A

(Extras)

Captain and member of Arlington's Speech team

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(Anane) (Actual name: Arete)

(General Information)

Full name: Anane Dyjan

Birthday: June 3

Gender: Female

Department: Pure & Applied Sciences

Concentration: Thermal Engineering

Nationality: Ghanaian

Citizen: No

Height: 5'2/157 cm

Prof. Affiliations: Hecate Engineering

(Skills)

Technology: ⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜ /5

Academics: ⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜ /5

Teamwork: ⬜⬜ /5

Extracurricular: ⬜⬜⬜⬜ /5

Laboratory: ⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜ /5

(General Comments)

"One of the best engineers I have seen in the department. Her skills in science cannot be matched by her classmates. Known to be charismatic among them, but is odd that she cannot fully trust her teammates. Her need to do everything herself, can cause team tension. I hope Anane learns how to put faith in others." - Dr. Zoe Lee

(Academic Record)

Strengths: Chemistry, Computer Science, Physics

Weaknesses: Fine Arts, Languages

Notes: "Her talent in class is unprecedented! Perfect work ethic and determination is what makes Anane great, if only she learns how to trust others, she'll be better." - Dr. Zoe Lee

(Health Record)

Prone to mental burnouts

(Awards and Honors)

Voted most popular student in her department

See comprehensive list of won engineering tournaments

(Disciplinary Actions)

12.25.20XX - Detention for blowing up the robotics room

(Extras)

N/A

(Keegan) (Actual name: Kai)

(General Information)

Full name: Keegan Haeyun

Birthday: December 3

Gender: Non-binary (He/they)

Department: Fine Arts

Concentration: Animation

Nationality: Korean-American

Citizen: Yes (dual)

Height: 5'9/175 cm

Prof. Affiliations: N/A

(Skills)

Creativity: ⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜ /5

Academics: ⬜⬜⬜⬜ /5

Teamwork: ⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜ /5

Extracurricular: ⬜⬜⬜⬜ /5

Technique: ⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜ /5

(General Comments)

"Their creativity is quite unparalleled, and technique developed beyond their years. Along with that, his academic talents is off the charts and well crafted. Keegan is unfortunately a little demanding of others, often keeping people with them to work a little longer, refusing to be alone. If he listens to people, he'll be one of the best animators that the industry will ever seen." - Prof. Robert Boss

(Academic Records)

Strengths: Fine Arts, Humanities, Physical Education

Weaknesses: Physics, Languages

Notes: "Keegan's creative work is perfect, along with his academics. Unfortunately, if he doesn't get too distracted by classmates, his rank would've been higher." - Prof. Robert Boss

(Health Record)

N/A

(Awards and Honors)

See comprehensive list of won film festivals

(Disciplinary Actions)

9.30.20XX - Detention for blowing up the robotics room

(Extras)

N/A

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After done reading, want to get more information on my OCs? See the reblogged post with the word Indra. It discusses the personality of these 6 of the 9 characters. You can also follow the OC account if you're interested, the content will be darker than it is. As it discusses mental health and various issues. It only has two posts (as I write this rn), more of my OCs and their stories will be posted.

#sweet elite #dulcet games #indra ocs #i would date them

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