Complete Works of Yoshiyuki Tomino - Yasuhiko Yoshikazu Interview Excerpt
Book Released 1999
Mr. Yasuhiko is an indispensable member of the "Mobile Suit Gundam" staff, and he is also an integral part of early Tomino works such as "Raideen the Brave" and "Invincible Super Man Zambot 3".
We interviewed Mr. Yasuhiko, who has since moved his activities to the manga world, about his work with Mr. Tomino.
The Wandering Storyboard Man
--Mr. Yasuhiko, you joined Mushi Productions in 1970, and the first work you were involved in was The Wandering Sun. Were you aware that Mr. Tomino worked as an (enshutsu) director on that show?
Yasuhiko: Yes, I was aware. At that time, he was famous in the industry for showing up here and there and drawing many storyboards.
--He was famous in the industry?
Yasuhiko: He was fast at drawing storyboards. I also considered myself on the faster side, but there used to be a saying, "If you ask Tomino to make a storyboard, he will finish it in three days.” People like that were very precious in the industry, so everyone asked him to do it.
--You were involved in the production of Raideen the Brave from the planning stage, weren't you? Did Mr. Tomino participate as a staff member at that time?
Yasuhiko: He was not present during the planning stage. When we actually started the series, we had to decide who to ask to be the CD (chief director), and there were a lot of different ideas, but in the end, I heard that Tomino was chosen. When I heard the news, I thought, “Oh, /that/ Tomino-san?” and found it unexpected.
--Did Mr. Yasuhiko move directly from Mushi Productions to Soeisha (early Sunrise)?
Yasuhiko: I was not affiliated with Soeisha, but I went there as a freelancer to get work.
--So when you went to Soeisha, did you find Mr. Tomino there as well?
Yasuhiko: He also wasn’t affiliated with anyone at the time, a wandering storyboard artist (laughs), so it was like, "Oh, so he's working here, too.”
--What was Soeisha like at that time? I believe that the company had just been established and was making films such as Zero Tester.
Yasuhiko: Zero Tester was our second work. When I went to work at that time, I found that Mr. Tomino was an episode director on that show as well.
--At that time, there was Toei Doga, Tatsunoko Productions, Tezuka Productions, Nishizaki Productions, and so on. Being among those names, did the works produced by Soeisha receive any attention?
Yasuhiko: No, not at all. It was a company that would’ve fallen apart with the lightest of touches. We hadn’t produced anything good yet, so it was natural that we did not attract attention.
--When was Mr. Tomino chosen to direct Raideen?
Yasuhiko: I don't know. I think it was at the very last minute when we were about to start making the series. It was so long ago that I don't remember much about it.
--From Mr. Yasuhiko’s point of view, what kind of person was Mr. Tomino at the time?
Yasuhiko: He was a very unserious person. The nickname, 'Wandering Storyboard Man' also had a light nuance, implying that he’s that one guy who is just kind of there wherever you go. So when it was decided that Mr. Tomino would be the director of Raideen, to put it bluntly, my first thoughts were “Mr. Tomino? That shallow guy?” At that time, I didn't know about Triton of the Sea, so I wasn’t aware that he had a few interesting works under his belt. I didn't even know he had worked as a director before. It's a bad way to put it, but I had an image of someone who scattered storyboards everywhere. A fast drawer.
--When you say “scattered”, how would you rate his work in terms of quality?
Yasuhiko: It was not high by any means.
--So you would say he only does work to a certain standard.
Yasuhiko: I mean, his storyboards are pretty silly. There are a lot of people who draw more simple storyboards. Their storyboards are not bad, but rather, just okay. His storyboards are not like that, but more like, "Are you being serious!?” But they were fast. Because people who work fast were treasured, many places asked for him. However, Mr. Tomino's storyboards were not well received by animators. There were a lot of cuts that made you say, "Are you kidding me? What was he thinking?!”
--In the sense that it would be hard to animate?
Yasuhiko: Yes, they make you wonder, "Why do I have to make all these cuts?” I think the situation is still the same today, but a TV series is made with a cheap budget of about 3,000 frames for 20 minutes or so. That 3,000 is after taking into account the minimum number of movements that are absolutely necessary for the story to make sense. If you do anything extra, you will soon end up with 4,000 or 5,000 frames.
Under such circumstances, Mr. Tomino's storyboards are full of unnecessary details. This made his storyboards very difficult to accept. For example, when the main character is performing something in the center of the screen, there are passersby in the background who are doing something unrelated to the main character. When I see that, I get angry. Do you know how many extra pages it costs me to do something like that? During drawing meetings, I would often remove them and say, "No one will notice that detail.” If Mr. Tomino hears about this, he might get angry though.
--Mr. Tomino graduated from the Nihon University College of Art as a film major. Was that kind of film orientation, or rather, the live-action orientation and the anime industry at the time incompatible?
Yasuhiko: It's incompatible, isn't it? Thinking back on it now, I really believe so. They were drawing storyboards that were not limited animation style. Such people draw storyboards that are elaborate in a good sense, but if they get too overly elaborate, they are shunned. They work too slowly, and the story becomes tedious. But with Mr. Tomino, he is light, so people don't really turn away from him. He can complete a storyboard in three days, no matter how much he elaborates or plays around with it. And the parts that make you go, “what the heck is this?” we would simply cut out later. Even so, he never complains. That's the kind of person he is. So it wasn't just me. I think there were many people who looked at him and said, "Tomino? Oh, that unserious director.”
The enthusiasm from the lovely dovey wife bento box!
--At the time of Raideen, you were working with C.D. Tomino as an animation director, but were the storyboards drawn there different from the storyboards he drew before that?
Yasuhiko: Storyboard quality was the same.
--In terms of directing?
Yasuhiko: To be frank, at first I thought, "What the heck, Tomino again?” However, I probably should talk about this, but he came to work with a magnificent bento box. I wonder if they still exist today, but it was a warmed-in-the-pot type bento, essentially what we call an "aisai-bento" (lunch box from a loving wife). At that time, we were at a point in our lives where we were content to eat whatever as long as we could fill our bellies. Of course, it was a show of his wife's support, but I also felt he was very enthusiastic about his work. Seeing his lunch box. It's a strange story (laughs). I had thought he was just unserious, but at that moment I thought his enthusiasm was quite unusual. He was very motivated, and even though he came in later, he was very proactive, saying, "I'm going to make this in my own color," and suggesting we do this and that.
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