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FINAL POLL
THIS POLL IS GOING TO DETERMINE THE MOST UNIQUE/HARDEST TO FIND NAME!!
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enjolras-out · 1 year
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Please rant about Fenris Wolf and morse mythology👀🐺
OH MY GOD REALLY????
THIS ASK MADE ME HAPPIER THAN ANYTHING IN A VERY LONG TIME THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ENABLING ME!!! Okay I am working on a paper due tomorrow (which funnily enough is also about wolves hehe) so in absence of gunpoint this is not (quite) 30 minutes but here are some THOUGHTS:
(I’m sorry this got long you are forewarned)
Brief introduction: Fenrir/FenrisWolf is a giant wolf in Norse mythology, mentioned in Snorri Sturluson’s Prose and Poetic Eddas (early thirteenth century) and a lot of runes and stones and songs. He’s a son of Loki with a giantess named Angrboda and he’s brother to Hel, goddess of the underworld, and Jörmungandr, the Midgard-Serpent. Fenrir is destined to kill Odin as part of Ragnarök.
Ragnarök is the Norse end of the world. It literally means END or TWILIGHT of the gods (rök, twilight, is etymologically related to reykr which means smoke, so also implies a fire (the fire of the gods/the world) burning bright and then devouring itself. Which suggests that Ragnarök is part of the natural cycle where things grow and die and are reborn, not a monstrous anomaly)
(I don't read or speak Old Norse though I have written papers requiring me to study it a little bit, and the devouring/rebirth idea is my unsubstantiated literary interpretation and anyone is welcome to tell me I’m actually just wrong)
There are humans after Ragnarök (Lif and LifÞrasir, who in some stories survived in secret and in other stories kind of emerged out of morning dew on the other side) so it’s more the end of a time cycle than everything becoming void.
Okay now here is the most intriguing story in any mythology ever:
The gods decide to raise Fenrir among themselves for reasons unknown. Possibly to do with Odin having a connection with wolves in some stories, possibly they just want to keep an eye on him. So Fenrir grows up in Asgard and KEEPS GROWING. Everyone is terrified of this giant endlessly-growing doom-prophesied wolf cub. Everyone except Tyr.
Tyr is meant to be the most beautiful/noble/wise of the gods “the most daring and intrepid” (Snorri, Prose Edda) and he is the only one who dares come near enough Fenrir to feed him. They are FRIENDS, they’re basically brothers. Tyr presumably has a whole other life among other gods and maybe mortals but to Fenrir Tyr is everything he has.
(again, this is my interpretation but the Prose Edda definitely leaves this wide open)
Since Fenrir is destined to kill Odin and bring about the end of the world, the gods decide to chain him up and stop that from happening. They try several different chains and Fenrir breaks all of them easily. So, they get the dwarves to forge a thin silk ribbon which is the strongest chain in all the worlds. This is called GLEIPNIR.
When they dare Fenrir to let them chain him, to prove he can break anything, Fenrir obviously knows this is a trick. So he tells the gods:
“in order that you may not accuse me of cowardice, let some one of you lay his hand in my mouth as a pledge that this is done without deceit” (Snorri, Prose Edda)
Tyr lays his right hand in Fenrir’s mouth. We already know Tyr is the “most valiant” – he is making a sacrifice for the gods, for his family. He knows exactly what is going on and what will happen. He also knows that this ONLY WORKS because Fenrir trusts Tyr ABSOLUTELY.
When Fenrir realizes he’s been tricked, and that Tyr betrayed him, he bites off Tyr’s hand.
This is not going to help Fenrir get free. This is a response to betrayal by the one person he trusted, growing up in a den of people who hated and feared him, the one friend he had in the world. In the Edda this is the smallest moment but it DESTROYS me. Yes I am writing a batshit crazy epic fantasy novel about this relationship and no it will probably never be finished.
Anyway Fenrir is now chained till the end of the world and the exact way he gets free, kills Odin, and has his own cubs who eat the sun and moon, does not seem to be agreed upon by scholars as far as I’ve been able to tell. Maybe Tyr had something to do with it… No but for real it was probably something like the world-cycle came to an end and destiny was the one thing stronger than Gleipnir.
Also, while Fenrir is chained he howls so much that a whole river forms from his saliva. The river is called Ván (which I THINK means hope or expectation). Wish I knew where it was supposed to be.
Anyway – there are a lot of possibilities here about the struggle for resources in a harsh environment, monstrosity, human-wolf enmity AND kinship, being a victim of destiny, also a fun parallel to be drawn with Prometheus and other mythological characters who get epically chained for most of history.
Also - would Fenrir have been angry enough to destroy everything if they hadn't betrayed and chained him?? Would Ragnarok have happened at all if the gods hadn't tried to stop it?? Another example of trying to stop destiny only to end up making it happen?? But I need to write my paper now so these speculations are going to have to wait.
HOWEVER:
I have never been more disappointed in my life than when I watched Thor: Ragnarok and Fenrir was in it for like 5 minutes and didn’t so much as HOWL or actually do anything except snarl and do what he was told. I’m sorry Taika Waititi you are a wonderful director but FENRIR DESERVED BETTER THAN JUST BEING HELA’S TAME DOG.
Fenrir could never be tamed or mastered by anything except destiny (which I’d argue is the metaphor for the chaining). I get that Thor is its own story and not supposed to be faithful to the actual legend but come on – you go to the trouble of having a mountain-sized apocalyptic totally beautiful CGI wolf in your superhero movie and don’t even DO anything with him except make him bite the Hulk a couple times???
Conclusion: FenrisWolf is the most awesome and most misunderstood character in any mythology ever and I will die on this hill (if necessary with a sword imbued with 12 berserker souls). If you read this far I apologize and thank you in the same breath.
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bestofnames · 1 year
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lucishell · 2 years
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Spoilers for the new Albedo quest <3
We finally got confirmed Khaenri'ahn Albedo and mentions of Rhinedottir, Durin and the destruction
But it makes me wonder about Kaeya (and Diluc)
I can't keep denying the world is in some time loop (long story, personal headcanon) Albedo confirmed it
But what does that make of Kaeya? It's canon that Kaeya was sent as a child away to Mondstadt (Kaeya even mentions how Diluc was "cuter as a kid" and how they used to pick up seashells from the archipelago), but we don't exactly know how old he is. He's at least 21 years old, that's for sure (assuming he's either the same or close in age with Diluc and it's canonically been at least 3 years since Diluc's dad died, on his 18th birthday, according to the manga)
Does that mean that Diluc and Kaeya are 500 years old too? There's a possibility there's still Khaenri'ah people out there, tryna rebuild a society but I doubt Kaeya's dad would call him their "last hope" hundreds of years after the destruction
Or maybe they were running out of resources or something? Could it be sort of a Lif and Lifþrasir situation, since Genshin likes to use elements from the mythology of the country they inspire their region off?
Cound it be that Kaeya is indeed just a normal human that happened to be born in the failed try of rebuild Khaenri'ah and was sent away like this?
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ROUND 5: POLL 2
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ROUND 4: POLL 4
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ROUND 2: POLL 14
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SEMI-FINALS: POLL 1
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ROUND 3: POLL 7
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First place: Throckmorton
Second place: Lifþrasir(Lifthrasir)
Third place: Xicotencatl
Thank you to everyone who participated in this random little poll, especially the people who shared their names with us! May you all one day find a tacky souvenir with your name on it!
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It's official:
Lifþrasir(Lifthrasir) and Throckmorton will be competing in the finals to see which name is the most uncommon/hardest to find in a gift shop!
There will also be a third place poll, just because I feel like doing one. So Xicotencatl and Ptarmigan will be participating one last time!!
The Third place poll will go live Friday July 28!
The First place/Final poll will go live on Saturday July 29!
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It's official. The most unique name in the world is:
Throckmorton
Throckmorton barely beat Lifþrasir (Lifthrasir) with 50.7% of the votes.
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ROUND 1: POLL 41
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