#I'm not anti vegan or whatever but what the fuck

[economically-not-a-communist]

The daily struggle to not reply to particularly idiotic takes from people who don't know what they're talking about, but who, if I did say anything, would probably be defended by 90% of Tumblr.

#my rants #okay yes this is about a very silly anti-vegan post i saw #i'm fine if people want to point out potential issues they see after all healthy discussion and debate is an important part of any movement #but when people just spew the first piece of random bullshit that came into their mind or whatever the most recent bit of propaganda is #it's just insanely irritating #being told “it's kind of silly to argue that ”it's in out nature to eat meat“ since A. it's not actually necessary and- #-B. we do plenty of things that aren't “in our nature”" (what the fuck does that phrase even mean) #is not a racist argument how do you even GET there from that response #christ people if you want to debate or discuss something maybe fucking actually understand basic things about existence first? #me: “i will not bring up veganism on tumblr it can only lead to bad things” #also me: *this* #i tried okay it's just incredibly frustrating #i didn't interact with them though lookit me i have some level of self control

[jakethesequel]

I need to prune the followers a bit. What are my most important controversial takes.

I am an anarchist. Yes this includes your favorite heirarchy. The United States is an evil of unprecendented power. Abolish class. Civilization was a bad move, the mesopotamians really fucked us on that one.

I follow the transfem style of agender kung fu. I think gender and sexuality is socially constructed bullshit without inherent meaning. I have opinions on transmisogyny and think it's an important axis of societal oppression unique to transfemininity. Also DIY HRT is fucking based.

I have type 1 diabetes. I wear a P100 grade 3m particulate respirator whenever I'm in enclosed public spaces because covid is still among the most deadly transmissible diseases in world history killing millions, vaccines and previous immunity have only temporary benefits when a virus is allowed to mutate unchecked, and masks fucking work. If you don't wear one I don't trust you and think you're being an asshole. Wear a fucking mask.

I'm not vegan and won't be. Even outside of the dietary challenges diabetes poses, I've only gotten less inclined to it as I've aged and gotten more conscious of where my meat comes from. My family are fishers, my extended family are cattle farmers, you don't need to tell me about what meat cultivation actually looks like, I'm familiar. I've also been trying to get my hunting license. Nonetheless, you have a right to choose what you put in your body, and access to vegan alternatives should be available to all who need with with the same convenience and price as animal products.

On that note: guns are based, and anti-gun legislation is cringe. I'm not American. Any law is evil when it's enforced by the pigs, but even if it weren't, the only reasonable restriction to gun ownership should be showing an ability to use it safely, as you do a car. Which is similar to the setup we had in Canada, sans a couple of nonsensical gun bans and magazine limits.

Speaking of legalization, drugs are morally neutral. You should be allowed to put whatever you want in your body. In fact you should be given unrestricted access to knowledge to make a completely informed decision, equipment to do so safely, and strong support systems if you need to kick the habit.

And finally: Bad movies are the greatest things ever made. An inspired failure is always more interesting than an uninspired success. Make art freely, take critique easily. Believe it to be the greatest thing in the world while you create it and when someone says it's trash say yeah I see why you'd think that it's not perfect. The time for ego is in the creation and the time for critique is in the consumption do NOT reverse the two.

[nukenai]

Honestly I wanna be like "congratulations to that animal rights psycho for writing the most insane shit I've ever seen", but the sad reality is that every single anti-mustang-roundup-pro-freedom-whatever the fuck person talks EXACTLY the same way. They all talk about how cruel and awful the roundups are and how every mustang is traumatized permanently and the most time they've spent with horses is youtube videos.

Like, the reason I left a huge amount of my "mustang advocacy" groups years ago, even before I got Rogue, was because the people in the groups were constantly, and I MEAN CONSTANTLY, comparing the roundups to the holocaust. They were ALWAYS saying the holding pens were "just like nazi germany", saying the Bureau of Land Management was staffed entirely by Hitlers, and also literally calling the roundups "a holocaust for mustangs". It's so beyond disgusting I barely have the words to express it.

These people use the same talking points over and over and taut the whole "Hmm, you should really educate yourself :) clearly you're mean to your horse if you get results :) you should try having a magical spiritual connection with a horse instead, and only riding with spirit energy instead of safe equipment :)" like fucking ok Little Creek you enjoy yourself.

Big TikTok Vegan "riding horses is abuse" energy. I hate the attitude that "if an animal doesn't want to do it, you should never do it to them!!" like sorry, my dog definitely doesn't want to go to the fucking vet, but guess what. He has to. He also kind of likes to sleep all day but he needs exercise! Which, guess what, is what working a horse does. And this is coming from the person who rides like 3 times a year so it's real rich to call me this terrible animal abuser. Good fucking lord.

ALSO AS IF I'M GONNA ACCEPT JUDGMENT FROM SOMEONE WITH A FUCKING OVERWATCH ICON LMFAO

#i'm just blocking them i'm not interesting in their headass response

[explosionshark]

i am so curious to see if you know earth crisis/what you think of them lol

okay, fuck, you accidentally asked me about something i love to talk about. so, one of my favorite niche music scenes to talk about is the hardcore scene and what spun off and evolved out of it over the course of like the 80s, 90s, 00s and earth crisis occupies such an interesting space in that niche.

bc like when we talk about metalcore now, we're not really talking about bands like earth crisis. we say metalcore in a mainstream sense and people think like oh bad omens, or periphery, or underoath or whatever, right? the -core in modern metalcore basically indicates like breakdowns, but the -core being drawn from is actually more post-hardcore than it is actual hxc hardcore. right? (broadly speaking, don't @ me)

but when it comes to DEFINING the very first prototypical metalcore sound, literally the melding of hardcore and metal, for me one of the first bands that comes to mind is earth crisis. that like 90s NY hxc scene sound smashing full into like bolt thrower, right? they're iconic and they cast a long shadow over the scene. and that's very interesting sonically and it doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of the ideological shit going on in the sxe and xvx scenes they were a part of. i mean, what a fucking cesspool those scenes can be. and, no, earth crisis isn't a hardline band but if you get mistaken for one enough times it kinda means??? maybe there's something you could be doing different????

but still: they were HUGELY influential and they really pushed a vegan message in front of a lot of audiences who otherwise would never have thought twice about it. that's something, at least.

anyway. all that shit is so fascinating. i could talk about it forever. which i shouldn't do, bc that's NOT what you asked me. but uh anyway

If I know them: 

Favourite Song: "to the death" probably no surprise that i prefer their animal rights songs over their anti-drug rhetoric lmao. this song goes so hard. the ending? if you're in the car driving to work and you're so so soooo sleepy and it's 6:30 AM but VEGAN FOR LIFE! VEGAN TO THE DEATH! hits you ARE going to sing along. anyway, at the risk of losing cred in front of hxc purists i will freely admit to thinking earth crisis got even better after they reformed. to the death is a sick comeback album - it's leaning more into the metal side of things, which is my preference, and it's fucking HEAVY. it just GOES, it's a chainsaw and it doesn't quit for like 40 minutes.

Least Favourite Song: ugh god idk. so much to choose from. first one that comes to mind is "killing braincells." now, here's the thing: i am a slither defender. i think it's a fun record. i think it's cool when a bands sound evolves, i like that there's groove/nu-metal influence here! they sound like prong! i love prong! and this song isn't even, like, bad to hear but lyrically it typifies the kind of punitive moralizing bullshit that i hate in the sxe scene - pointing at addiction and people suffering from it and literally saying "what is deserved is what they receive" like. fuck off already.

Favourite Album: okay as much as i love later era earth crisis, i do think gomorrah's season ends is one of the most iconic 90s metalcore/xvx albums of all time. so, it's tied between that and salvation of the innocents.

Least Favourite Album: last of the sane. i don't care about covers.

Song that got me into them: god, idk. probably forced march, since it's the first track off destroy the machines.

Seen Live?: no and i'm not sure i'd want to lmao. maybe if the lineup was good. but it would be a tall order to get me to willingly enter a space full of hardcore earth crisis guys

Rate: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 

big music ask game

#i need a music tag i don't hate #tldr earth crisis is good but them AND their fans AND the scene they represent can be SOOOOOOO annoying #and i'm saying this as someone who IS xvx

[ursbearhug]

On a small tangent train, might be a long read, enjoy or run away, I don't know?

Before the pandemic hit I've switched to shampoo bars. And I remember it rather clearly because 1) I had to pick up my package with a mask on and 2) I could fuck off and wash my hair in peace because my highschool was not fit for remote classes, so we literally never had one. Other reason why I remember switching and talking about it so vividly is because there was subset of folk, my friends or friend adjacent, that thought this is like some big anti capitalism, pro vegan movement on my behalf. And it's like... None of that?

The reason I swapped to bars is quite simple and has nothing to do with most of the good quality shampoo bars being 100% vegan or whatever. That reason is: I just refused to pay for shampoo bottles. After half year of using bars I did my math and it just checked out. I can get myself a bottle that costs me (I did all the wonky exchange math, so bear with me) 4$ and lasts *maybe* 3 months (depending on whether other household members decide to use it too)(nobody touches my bars), whereas I pay 10ish$ for a bar that lasts me up to 5 (here; depending on how often I'm forced to wash my hair by external conditions, like hot weather). This also means that instead of throwing away a bottle of shampoo, and more often a conditioner of sorts, every 3 months I can get 2 bars that come in paper or cardboard packaging and make me feel less horrible about amount of plastic that serves no real purpose. Logistically it would also make sense, since most of the shampoo and conditioner brands need to be internationally transported, whereas the soap shop I'm getting my stuff from is a smallish business from my country.

It was also a bit of checking whether it will work for my hair or not. It was looking up what is inside said bar as I started to take care of my curly hair a bit more than in the past. I'm not particularly moved by products being vegan or not. I also can never make anti capitalist movement that would actually hurt capitalism. So yeah? I finished vet school and petty squabble about protecting bees or sheep, or whatever, is not affecting me.

Anyway have good day and make get yourself a piece of cake?

(Folks interested in switch, remember that there is stark difference between shampoo bar and soap for hair. These are two different things and require different care)

#percy does things #will delete later

[growandrecover]

hey i saw your post about eating disorder recovery and wanted to ask if you had any advice for people in recovery who have to have dietary restrictions? i have to have a restrictive diet for health reasons otherwise my body just gets extremely ill.

ive found it harder to recover when i cant allow myself to eat anything, when i have to deny myself ice cream, red meats, cheese, heavily seasoned foods and more just to feel like im not dying

oh another thing i wanted to share a resource that helped me until i couldnt let myself have everything anymore. the fuck it diet by Caroline dooner, which is very much the anti diet and is the single thing that got me thru this past year

Hi! :)

Personally, I don't have much experience with this, so hopefully this will be okay.

First off, I want to say that I'm really proud of you for still sticking with recovery, even though it's been hard for you. That's incredible!

Secondly, if you can, maybe try to stay grounded as much as you can when you have to avoid those foods. That may help you remember you're avoiding those foods not for a disordered reason, but to keep your body happy and healthy. You could also write down some affirmations to yourself when you're in a good place, so when you're not doing so well, you can read things coming from you that could ease your ed thoughts.

If you already haven't, you could try alternatives to those foods? Maybe instead of ice cream you could try sorbet (if your issue is dairy, that is), vegan cheese, or another kind of meat to make you feel like you're not missing out as much.

And again, if you're not already doing this, aside from what you need to cut out of your diet for health reasons, allow yourself to have whatever you want. I'm sure it's easy to get caught up in what you can't have, so be sure to be gentle with yourself. You're doing great!

Also, thank you so much for the book recommendation! I'll definitely check it out!

If I missed anything, or if you have anything you want to ask or talk about, you can reach out again at any time! <3

#asks

[endlessfetch]

The speed at which Facebook vegans get to eco fascism is horrifying

#I'm not anti vegan or whatever but what the fuck #im vegan but Jesus #like these people are just radicalising each other and they think it's activism #theyre also quick to conflate tge experiences with human minorities and animals #which is racist #im not a fan #not dogs #not dog related #eco fascism #radicalisation #vegan veganism

[ms-hells-bells]

Glad you call out the anti vegans, their arguments are so dishonest. The one that really got to me was this one dishonest point that went "brown people turmoil over harvesting plants for low pay but vegans don't give a fuck about brown people." Here in the central valley you can easily pick up a job at FosterFarms chicken plant because its a shit job that nobody wants to do. So lots of immigrants take the job. People get sick working there since all the chickens are sick from the cramped space.

Part 2 In fact there was a huge Covid outbreak at one of the FosterFarms in Livingston, I think 390 people got covid (I'm sure they also picked up other illnesses/ diseases before that comes from working with diseased chickens in a filthy environment, which of course weakened their immune system). And then 8 of the workers died from covid. Animal agriculture is also brutal on brown people but anti vegans never point that out, because they're dishonest

yep, these people need to read up on environmental racism, the animal agriculture industry is the absolute worst for non white people. slaughter houses and farms are placed in black neighbourhoods, polluting their water and air and majorly increasing their risk of long term illness, immigrants that work in slaughterhouses have issues intersecting with damn near every social issue; racism, misogyny, ableism, classism. MANY poc are lactose intolerant and yet have dairy pushed on them from childhood. not even gonna go into the amazon.

but they don’t actually care about any of this, they just wanna do whatever it take to place whatever they enjoy and benefit from into the lens of social justice so they can try and justify it to themselves and have an excuse to attack vegans and feel good about it. it’s liberal feminism but with what we put in our mouths instead.  

[sortyourlifeoutmate]

As I've mentioned before there are many stickers stuck throughout town, on lampposts and such. They represent a variety of causes - trans rights, veganism, environmental concern, punching nazis and so on. Those are all fine, whatever.

The ones I like are, of course, fringe ones, shall we say, and I've seen some good ones lately. Let's see!

This is a good one to start with. I mean, it just begs so many questions. Is it asserting that Covid-19 simply doesn't exist, or that it was overblown? Having been working in a hospital during the heavier months I can assure you it was quite real.

But what lies? That's a broad church, isn't it? Are we talking deliberate misleading - such as, say, implying that a disease doesn't actually exist? - or stating one position only to change it later once newer information comes to light? Which isn't really lying, but might feel like lying to some people.

Fascinating stuff.

Also, when you say "white rose" you're not trying to draw on the, ah, history and clout of the namesake anti-nazi resistance group, are you? Because if you are that's ballsy as fuck.

Anyway, next!

I didn't actually pay for my vaccine, so I'm not sure about this. Or perhaps the insinuation is that the whole thing was drummed up specifically to try and flog a cure to the masses, which seems thin. I mean, developing a vaccine costs a lot of money and isn't a sure hit.

I'm sure some people have done very well out of it but, then again, someone is always doing very well out of something, that's kind of the world we're in.

Also, I mean, no-one's really selling panic, are they? Suppose that's subjective. As cackhanded as government's are - and as ours is - they typically prefer there to not be pandemics, as they disrupt the orderly progression of life. Broadly, governments don't realy care what you do as long as you do it quietly and don't cause fuss. Pandemics cause fuss. The hate fuss but can't throw a disease in prison.

Or is it the media you're referring to? I mean, what reason might the news have to report on a disease sweeping the planet and bringing everything else to a grinding halt? Does seem suspicious they'd report on that.

I mean, did they ever get super hype any of those other times there was a big outbreak like swine flu or whatever? Did they ever go hard on that?

...oh wait.

But maybe that's just me.

I mean, maybe? But there's contexts to these things, aren't there? Not getting thrown in prison for one thing, which seems kind of a big difference, and in the midst of a pandemic actively choosing not to do something to help limit it (for whatever the reason, I'm sure their compelling) does surely make you kind of a risk? Surely?

It's a fraught topic, and I'm sure there's much shouting to be had on the subject of mandates and vaccine passports and such. Maybe a little more consideration of how your actions effect others wouldn't go amiss, just for a start. Mean, aren't we all in this together? And none of us are immune to disease, are we?

Goes beyond covid, too, surely.

Such complexity. I got vaccinated and I feel fine. I also really trust the government now - what fuel crisis?

Ooh, a two-fer (and I like how they're just above a social distancing thing).

I mean, first, again, maybe your level of exposure to the pandemic was thin. Maybe you just saw the restrictions and the (admittedly constant) updates about numbers and such.

But, as I said, having been working at a hospital throughout, I can tell you it wasn't a joke. They turned all the surgical theatres into ad-hoc ICU's! And they filled up! I saw them! I had to very quickly change direction after leaving the changing room after seeing some poor sod full of tubes and surrounded by people in PPE coming round the corner!

Maybe you didn't get sick, and good for you, but a lot of people did!

I think the broad effects of covid probably didn't help here. Some people got it and didn't even notice. Some people got it and it wasn't so bad. Some people suffered and are still suffering even after having recovered. Some people died.

So it wasn't like 'Bleeding out of everywhere' ala Ebola where it's obviously bad. It was instead quiet, patient and possibly very bad, depending. Which isn't very exciting and is easy to think is being overblown.

But, as said, not a joke.

Also, you did see India, right? Fucking funeral pyres by the rivers and all that? People dying from lack of oxygen? Or was that all faked? Mean, guess you could say that. Maybe go over and say it, see how it goes down.

Weird.

And in that vein the second sticker, which is a bit mangled. If you can't read it it basically says that in a real pandemic no-one would be arguing about it which...

...is so fucking stupid I don't even know where to start.

They would. They did. They are. You are!?

But anyway there you go, covid stickers. Not really all that uplifting and, overall, a bit underwhelming. Mean they don't realy say anything useful, do they? Just a vague whiff of "Wake up, sheeple!" and nothing to back it up with. How very depressing.

Oh and you lose points for the white rose thing. Like, come on, get some perspective.

What a time to be alive.

[lilacstables]

def not a caste abolitionist but what's specifically anti-purple about it? i'm not that involved but you seemed to care and i'm curious (if you don't wanna answer that's cool! ur blog is great!)

It’s not so much that caste abolitionism is anti-purple–it’s not, any more than it is anti every caste–as that I internalized a lot of anti-purple stuff because of caste abolitionism being thrown around without any real thought or understanding on tumblr, because /tumblr/ as a whole is anti-purple even when it tries to hide it beneath caste abolitionist sentiments.

For the record, this isn’t about my followers! I know a lot of great caste abolitionists, even if I disagree with them on caste – @ominousscribbler comes to mind as someone who’s supported me a lot in the past but who i disagree with on caste abolitionism, but there’s many others, not all of whom agree with on other issues! – it’s about a lot of wider tumblr discourse, which is often significantly worse than the little bubble of people I chat with. :p

- WARNING: this got LONG. I have a lot of problems with tumblr caste discourse. Controversial opinions ahead. -

Caste abolitionism is a lot of times presented as “you don’t have to like any of the jobs of your caste if you don’t want to! the culture of your caste is wrong and bad and it would be a better world if it was destroyed! in the ideal word nobody would have to be PURPLE, who would want to be THAT? so how about…in the glorious future, nobody’s purple! yay! problem solved! oh but don’t worry, ~equality~, we’re also getting rid of grays and oranges and blues and….uh…….grains”

This + cultural anti-purple sentiment made me feel for a long time kind of…sad and unworthy and like I could never be important or fulfilled as a purple, because being a purple is inferior (whether because purples won’t exist in the perfect world, or because we’re often poorer, or because we’re not as smart, or whatever.) Even though now I’m living my dream in a uniquely purple job with a beautiful purple girlfriend and friends all across the rainbow! And yes, I know, in a caste abolitionist wonderland I would still be allowed to be a groom. But there’s a lot of cutesy text posts saying “support purples who want to do academia and programming and politics and art” and, uh, not very much “support purples who are looked down upon for doing purple jobs” or “stop the low pay and thanklessness of many purple jobs!” The purples who are supported the most are the purples who are most willing to distance themselves from being purple.

Sadly a lot of the critiques of caste abolitionism fall into the same trap. “If caste abolition happens, then EVERYONE will want to be blue or maybe green, and then society will break down!” Look. Even in a casteless world, I would want to be purple and doing purple jobs! Maybe orange somewhere where taking care of animals was orange, but, like, I am /miserable/ in the cultures of other castes. I’d like to earn more money and have more respect, sure, and I love y'all, but they Do. Not. Fit. Me. Why? because i’m purple.

My various culture clashes with green culture have been documented on this very blog, haha, since tumblr is very green (especially the discourse) but trust me when I say I’m the same in real life. I’m not saying I never disagree with aspects of purple culture–I’m a vegan from a family of people who work in beef farming, for fuck’s sake!–but that doesn’t mean I think we should just THROW IT OUT? And honestly, having “well sometimes people disagree with little pieces of it!” as an argument to destroy something is just…a really unhealthy, black and white mindset.

Asking me to embrace a world without castes is asking me to abandon my culture, to renounce the ways it makes my life better and easier and more worth living. It often ignores the existing diversity of purples–of our jobs, our cultures, our wealth, our people. But it does generally call for the abandoning of all cultures! (This still ignores that, uh, even non-abolitionists also look down on purple jobs & culture & diversity, making the pressure and message worse for purples, but it’s a consistent viewpoint and an understandable one, and I’ve seen a lot of people, including purples, with really nuanced and insightful takes on it. It’s a big step, with a lot of costs; that doesn’t mean it’s not the right step necessarily, but it does mean that you have to at least acknowledge those costs and really question if they’re worth it. Which most of the people I chat with do, and which most of tumblr just kind of airbrushed over.)

…When tumblr discourse between 4-year-old greens asks me to embrace the end of my culture, they are generally doing so while wordlessly singling out /mine/, sometimes alongside a couple others, and raising up their own. They want the abolition of castes not so we can all be equal, but so we can all be the same. THAT’S what I can’t stand. And it made me feel like I could never be happy as who I am, that people like me don’t exist, and that I was somehow hurting people, simply by virtue of being purple instead of colorless.

#amenta rp #sorry this got so long lmao

[zombieheroine]

Yes. Literally what my bf was telling me, he said people are like "Your ship is problematic because clearly Doomfist is the only true husband of Reaper" because apparently Reaper x Soldier 76 is bad because Soldier is white. Like, what the actual fuck ????? Why are anti's so fucking stupid? Didn't think interracial couples was so bad. Especially since I'm white and in an interracial relationship. Smhhh. Clearly only POC can date other POC. Logiiiic.

Ugghhhh. Yeah, sure. Because ethnic purity and racial segregation have worked sooo well before! I believe South-Africa, US and Germany among others can offer some references on the subject. *sarcasm* 

People spamming tags and trying to pick fights with other people and who enjoy something (like a ship) through how much they can harass others with it and how good a person they are for liking it are stupid, that’s not a surprise. This new bottom of the barrel on the other hand… Especially since when Star Wars TFA came out antis were raving about how everyone is a racist for not shipping the white person with a person of colour. It almost feels like there’s no winning in this anti-wheel-of-fortune.   

I’m sorry this current wank in fandom nudges you personally like that. I’m sure everyone could do without teenagers telling you you’re racist/race traitor/whatever based on who you love.

Oh well. They can go ahead and enjoy their crack ship. Doomfist and Reaper have maybe met eyes in canon, and pairings sprout up from less than that. What does that matter? Nothing, I tell you. We’re still going to ship what we ship and nothing can stop us, and debating ships is about as legit and useful as debating ice-cream flavors. 

And I for one intend to give a sad look at the child stomping their foot by the stand and screaming at me that I need to order only the pure and wholesome vegan sorbet that doesn’t twist and foul reality with its existence. Nope, I’ll have mint-chocolate and mango-melon because that’s what I like. I’ll take my politics to the voting booth the next election, not the ice-cream stand. 

(Meanwhile this shit storm is going on I recommend searching #reaper76, not just reaper76. Weeds out a lot of antis.)

#justs76 #replies #fandom wank #drama alert #fandom experience