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kimdokja-real · 11 months

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I’ll contest that! (KDJ being confident)

KDJ is (from my view) a man with absolute conviction in his plans and interpretation of the novel. He’s been the sole reader of TWSA for thirteen years, he’s been drafting power charts and planning ways to beat the scenarios for over a decade, he lived for this story. If he knows nothing else, it’s TWSA.

To that end, during the novel’s events, he has the fourth wall dampening the scenario’s effects- certain scenes are emotionally charged and really cool to watch, definitely, but KDJ isn’t fully living in that moment, the fourth wall cushions the emotions. Delivering a presentation in reality is a lot more anxiety inducing than in the sanctity of your own head. This doesn’t detract from the previous point all that much and just adds a consideration that a KDJ without the fourth wall/dissociation would be stripped of his guard.

However! To say that KDJ has confidence in himself says two things, one directly and another by implication. To be more accurate would be to describe KDJ as confident but insecure. He has confidence in his interpretation, his decisions, his plans (arguably too much, as YJH repeatedly proves). His insecurity lies in his self worth. Funnily enough, I would also say that he’s overconfident in his perception on this level as well. He’s fully convinced that his life is worth less, that his companions won’t be too heavily impacted if he dies as long as he comes back, that despite YJH’s greatest trauma of the second round being Namgung Minyoung dying (even if he’ll be able to meet her again in the next regression) it won’t matter as much if KDJ is the one to die. He’s convinced that a person like him can’t be of value or worth loving. Calling this a matter of confidence is slightly funny, because this isn’t a matter of wavering confidence- this is a fundamental fact (to him) that underpins most of his decisions. He has confidence, and it’s almost completely separate from the question of his self-worth. It does make him interesting.

On the matter of bottom YJH I have little to say but that I agree. Also, that the potential of 1863 YJH thoughtlessly obeying KDJ under the influence of regression depression while KDJ takes care of him is underutilized in fanfiction. YJH likes having guidance, and it’s both very fitting for his character and very cute. Thoughts?

It's interesting to think he prepared for the scenarios while reading Ways of Survival, but I think Kim Dokja is so intelligent he actually didn't prepare at all. He just loved the story so much he remembered almost everything and used his information as tools to win the scenarios.

Even though he has the Fourth Wall dampening the effects, it's still reality, and no unconfident person would be stepping forth, breaking all the rules but winning somehow, and confronting the constellations in the sky in the apocalypse. But Kim Dokja so easily did that, which is kind of amazing.

He has confidence, and it’s almost completely separate from the question of his self-worth. It does make him interesting.

Yeah exactly, this is the very interesting thing about kdj. He's so set on his own perceptions due to his confidence, and it's like he confidently embraces his lack of self-worth.

I also think he doesn't see his impact on others is because he's a 'reader', a reader just reads, just takes in the information and reacts on their own, they have no impact on the characters in the story. That's why he can't believe Yoo Joonghyuk likes and even loves him (we don't even talk about romantic love here, I think he can't even believe Yoo Joonghyuk loves him platonically, that his favourite character grew to love and trust him), because to him Yoo Joonghyuk is the ultimate presence he can't influence. He hated, loved, cheered for, cried for Yoo Joonghyuk's story for 13 years, but he couldn't do anything about it. So to him he has zero impact on Yoo Joonghyuk, main character of Ways of Survival, as a reader.

I also think besides his (I theorize) romantic love for Yoo Joonghyuk, that's why he does so much for Yoo Joonghyuk and takes his important parts because he can finally do something to help Yoo Joonghyuk whom he watched suffering and in pain for years.

Of course while doing so, he ends up being the main character of the story, which he never imagined.

“Thank you for everything.”

[The remaining capture time is 3 minutes.]

The party members were running.

Lee Hyunsung, Jung Heewon, Shin Yoosung, Lee Gilyoung, Yoo Sangah, Gong Pildu, Lee Jihye…

They cried, screamed or were filled with deep anger. Everyone was coming towards me. My vision gradually diminished and all the characters became the landscape. I saw them and laughed.

「 Incarnation Kim Dokja will be killed by the person he loves most. 」

I had forgotten. All prophecies couldn’t be interpreted literally. In this Star Stream, people were stories.

[The constellation ‘Secretive Plotter’ is looking at you.]

[The constellation ‘Demon-like Judge of Fire’ is looking at you.]

[The constellation ‘Prisoner of the Golden Headband’ is looking at you.]

[The constellation ‘Abyssal Black Flame Dragon’ is looking at you.]

[The constellation ‘Maritime War God’ is looking at you.]

As the gazes of countless stars in the sky poured towards me, a story was running towards me.

“Ahhhhhh!”

Parents, friends and lovers were all stories.

[The remaining capture time is 2 minutes.]

This wasn’t the Ways of Survival I knew but—It was a story more wonderful than Ways of Survival.

[A constellation of a small planet is looking at you.]

[All the constellations on the Korean Peninsula are looking at you.]

It was my story. I laughed as Yoo Jonghyuk’s sword pierced my heart.

[Your fate has been realized.]

My body slowly sank down and Yoo Jonghyuk held onto me. “Kim Dokja.”

“It was a really great story. Isn’t that right?”

Yoo Jonghyuk stared down at me silently. I couldn’t find any words and just watched. It was as if I had always been meant to do this.

That's why I love this part so much, besides the romantic implication I theorized about.

(You can find it here if you're interested https://www.tumblr.com/bottomjoonghyuk/718023323739684864/omniscient-readers-viewpoint-is-a-romance?source=share, or https://bottomjoonghyuk.tumblr.com/post/718023323739684864/omniscient-readers-viewpoint-is-a-romance, it's a long analysis)

[The constellation ‘Secretive Plotter’ is looking at you.]

[The constellation ‘Demon-like Judge of Fire’ is looking at you.]

[The constellation ‘Prisoner of the Golden Headband’ is looking at you.]

[The constellation ‘Abyssal Black Flame Dragon’ is looking at you.]

[The constellation ‘Maritime War God’ is looking at you.]

As the gazes of countless stars in the sky poured towards me, a story was running towards me.

“Ahhhhhh!”

Parents, friends and lovers were all stories.

[The remaining capture time is 2 minutes.]

This wasn’t the Ways of Survival I knew but—It was a story more wonderful than Ways of Survival.

[A constellation of a small planet is looking at you.]

[All the constellations on the Korean Peninsula are looking at you.]

It was my story. I laughed as Yoo Jonghyuk’s sword pierced my heart.

[Your fate has been realized.]

Like this whole part, it's so epic for the main character of the story, Kim Dokja. The constellations, stars in the sky were looking at him and the main character of Ways of Survival, and his story of having been practically obsessed and loving the main character of Ways of Survival, is the one to kill him since Kim Dokja loves Yoo Joonghyuk the most.

This wasn’t the Ways of Survival I knew but—It was a story more wonderful than Ways of Survival.

This was so good for Kim Dokja. And his self-worth. He finally admitted that he's so great that his story (Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint) was a story more wonderful than Ways of Survival, because he's not just a reader, he's a participant, the main character.

It was my story. I laughed as Yoo Jonghyuk’s sword pierced my heart.

[Your fate has been realized.]

And like besides the romantic implication of 'one he loves the most', I feel like here Kim Dokja finally realized he's the main character of the story, killed in an epic way by the one he loves the most, and it's his story, so his laugh is kind of ironic.

But sadly after this, he seems to retreat again even though he practically impacted Ways of Survival with his action that it was updated and Yoo Joonghyuk was thinking about him there.

I think Kim Dokja is just a very confident person naturally and an extrovert, but the emotional abuse was so much that it almost permanently affected his self-worth. So it's a question of nature vs nurture, and nurture kind of won over which speaks of his lack of self-worth in himself, but he still has his confident nature which he shows in the apocalypse. And then he's ironic confident in his lack of self-worth, because confidence is in his nature.

The potential of obedient, a bit demure, trusting Yjh is very underutilized in fanfiction. The fandom has turned him into this rough, unforgiving, blunt, caring, top for Kim Dokja and I don't understand it at all. I know the fandom loves kdj but not only is it OOC, yjh deserves some love too. And KDJ taking care of YJH is more close to canon btw, he's also protecting and looking out for YJH.

Yoo Joonghyuk does like having guidance yeah, of course he does, he had to go through all the regression stuff alone, because he was the only one with it and the only one who knew. So he likes having guidance from KDJ, (there's one moment where he obediently hands KDJ his sword, his weapon man), and for once he's following someone not the other way around, which is fitting for the change in and evolution of his character and very cute.

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obstinaterixatrix · 3 years

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I like the idea of Kdj thinking of himself as a plot device character supporting others. Like, to Kdj, Lhs’s faith in him is just part of lhs’s personality, sth anyone can gain if put in Kdj’s position without having to be him specifically, or Sys’s being nice is just her wanting an adult figure, not necessarily cuz Kdj deserves it. Yjh starts to want to live? Nothing but mere character development, culminating from the build-up in past regressions and not at all a merit of Kdj’s being himself.

Kind of agree kind of disagree. I’m p sure there’s... SOME quote in orv with kdj worried that he’s ‘stolen’ some of yjh’s companions...?? It’s deffo one of his justifications in the beginning when he’s in his ‘I’m just using the people around me and not at all saving/encouraging/spending time with them because we like each other and if they do like me that’s just the manipulation working which proves it’s not real’ mindset—he’s doing the ‘right’ thing in terms of ‘correct actions to gain allies’ and interpreting relationships based on action makes it easier to see yourself as interchangeable. kdj is a very ‘works in a support role’ too—I’m thinking of the press conference and his ‘I have no intention of saving any of you’ as a setup for yjh’s big dramatic speech, which is a speech that resonates more than it would have alone because of the contrast kdj intensionally creates. and no matter what kdj does, yjh is firmly in his head as The Protagonist

the disagree part is admittedly nitpicky—the thing is, while kdj takes on character roles, one of the things that separates him from the characters is. well. literally the 4th wall (lmao). his identity as a reader is one of his key defining traits. it separates him from the characters of wos, and it separates from the other ‘real’ people of orv (except hsy). there’s a lot of lowkey (and highkey) anxiety over losing the 4th wall and what that would mean for his identity and personhood. so while he sees himself as doing a lot in the background to change & set off certain developments, and is like. ACTIVELY SHAPING THE PLOT. the ‘not a character’ thing is p important to him. similarly, I think either air or sona (it’s always one of them) was talking about how director is an apt title for hsy and also highlights the barrier between the others. one of the interesting parallels between hsy and kdj is that they have identities that set them outside the story—author and reader, director and audience—and have to navigate connecting with others & integrating themselves in the world they’re now a part of despite that barrier.

related to kdj and the ‘supporting character’ thing. I’m dying to talk about racher’s roleswap au. I want to talk about it so bad.

#orlbs #orvlb #ask #anonymous

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your--isgayrights · 3 years

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hello hi 2 7 11 13 25 26 31 (👁️👁️) and 32. i know its a lot but im curiouss

afklasfsf hello!!! don’t worry i love the excuse to ramble haha.

2. Why do you write fanfiction?

Hmmm this is one that can be sort of simple to answer but also sort of complicated? I write fanfiction because it’s my way of processing the way that the original work made me feel, like it’s a natural decompression. It’s also just something that it’s good to have a creative outlet for. I’m not really a person who does self inserts or ocs in fanworks, but I do think that I put a lot of myself into my writing. When there are emotional parts of my work, they are directly coming from the way that I have felt in a certain time in my life. Fanfiction lets me use characters that other people already know to communicate these feelings and have them be understood by someone other than myself.

7. What element of writing do you struggle with most?

Getting started writing is always a struggle for me, because I’m very good at daydreaming and writing nothing down. I have so many snippets from moments of inspiration that I had that somehow translated into scenes in my notes app, but stitching them together with transitions can be hard for me to start doing. Usually to get in the mood, I will read other fics in the fandom or reread the original work itself. That gives me ideas and keeps the characters voices in my head haha.

11. Who or what do you find yourself writing about most?

This is sort of outside of orv, but I have this very specific niche of writing adult characters who went through traumatic situations in their child or teen years. The trauma will usually be from the original text, and then I will want to write the character after the fact, growing up and being old and somehow just managing to live even after all of that. Having this feeling of existing after the war, of marveling at the fact that you are still alive, is very important to me.

Rest under the cut!

13. First fandom you ever wrote for?

Hahaha.... Um. If we’re talking about when I first wrote any sort of fiction based on fiction, it was probably warriors cats when I was like... 8. If we wanna talk about first published work, I am embarrassed to say that I do in fact have three separate ao3 accounts for a couple different fandoms. My first fic was from Danganronpa V3, but I’m going to ask that no one go looking for it because I’m a bit embarrassed.

25. Have you ever daydreamed about side adventures/spin-offs from your fic? Tell us about them!

Yes... I might publish a collection of scenes from other povs once I get through “and at the very least, the wall will change.” because I have a sort of mental map of the way that every character feels in a scene that can be sort of limited by writing only from KDJ’s perspective.

26. Is there anything you’ve wanted to write, but you’ve been too scared to try?

Honestly I have a 40+ chapter fic I was writing for a different fandom that I want to get back to some day, but the way that I planned it out was vastly overestimating my own writing abilities, and I sort of hate the way it starts out now. This is why I know that getting the eight chapter “and at the very least, the wall will change.” done is very doable for me, though, because I learned from the experience.

31. Do you have any OCs? Tell us about them!

Oooh haha yeah. I dunno, there are a few stories that I’ve had in my head over the years (I used to make a lot of comics of original characters), but nothing I’m making content for right now. I had a story way back when from the perspective of a boy who is best friends with a kid named Ravi. Throughout the story you get the sense that Ravi takes the pov character for granted, as he seems constantly depressed and troubled by something that the pov character desires to fix because of some sort of emotional history between them. Everything in the world seems to be about Ravi. But then it begins to creep in that everything in the world really is centered around Ravi. A long time ago, he gained the power to reset the world, and make it in his image. But no matter what he does, the world that he wants doesn’t come out right, and none of the people in it seem real to him, because they only do what he wants them to. The climactic scene is Ravi breaking down in front of the pov character and asking him what he wants, that he must want something, that he can’t really be dead. Ravi has reconstructed his old life, and the pov character is the shell representing his best friend that died when he remade the world. The pov character only wants what Ravi wants, though, and in the end, he kills him.

It was from like my junior year of high school, and I think that writing that one was my way of processing one of my longest childhood friendships ending, so sorry if its a bit angsty!

32. Summarize a random fic of yours in 10 words or less.

Oh nooo I’m terrible at summaries. Um. Uh.

“KDJ doesn’t value himself. YJH is traumatized about it. Romance.”

#ask #ask meme #xcnsfr

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