#(ETA: added the panels in a reblog)

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Smallish update because I’ve seen some missunderstandigns going on.

Ok, so yesterday was a day. 

I am still reeling of a lot of it, which is why I have not been able to do a transcription of the panel (although the ones I’ve reblogged, made by other people, are very accurate and their only “fault” is not being in my head to know why I had some troubles translating Guillermo’s long answers as he spoke too quickly and too passionately so I had to paraphrase rather than translate literally as I did with the shorter answers, and at some points, I admit my short term memory may have failed me)

I am trying to get the panel off the facebook page to put it on my youtube (With permission from Harlecon’s organizer, Harleyquinnarts, whom you should all follow in Instagram and follow Harlecon on facebook because she’s amazing and made this possible by giving us the space to have the panel. BTW, I have heard that there IS a version already on youtube? If it is, please, please, please, put a link back to Harlecon on it, yes? These small cons deserve all our support)

I am ALSO trying to contact Adrian Fogarty, the dubbing director (NOT the translator, as some people are mis-reporting) who is, in the end, the one who has the answers as to where the hell the “Me too” came from.

Which is the missreporting I;ve seen going around, and which I need to adress.

During the panel, Mr. Rojas went from talking about the “Original” Script to the “DUB” Original Script without making it obvious that there was a different. Understand, for MOST actors, when they talk about the Original Script, they’re NOT talking about the Original English Script. They don’t get that. They get the Original TRANSLATED script, which can be then FURTHER changed by them or the director in order to fit cadence, and lip sync. 

And yes, we come again to my old nemesis, lip sync.

So he said that the original script said “Me Too”, as a reply to Cas’s “I love you”, and THEN Alejandro Fogarty, who has a TON of experience adapting on the fly, and is a very respected dubbing director, changed it to “And I you,Cas” because it fit better Dean’s lip movements.

This DOESN’T mean that Fogarty ADDED the Me Too. IT WAS on the Original DUB Script that Guillermo was reading.

He said that Dean didn’t reciprocate Castiel’s words too, but that was AFTER he said he didn’t HEAR what Dean originally said (Which, granted, could be him misremembering as he admitted he had a bad short term memory). This is not to say that he lied when he said Dean didn’t reciprocate, but that that’ts the reason why two different versions of what he said may be running around. This was when I said that then we had to ask Fogarty about the origin of the dub script “Me Too” as he’d probably be the one who knows.

He also said that while it was a surprise, that the writers had been very subtle creating the story between Dean and Castiel, and that it made SENSE. 

There are a few things I could say here about voice actor culture, but I won’t as it could muddy the issue and I want to wait until I finish the transcription.

What he corrected from my previous assumptions was that there was no Warner Bros quality control. They finish dubbing, then send it to air and as far as HE knows, there’s no WB exec checking the files. He admitted he might be wrong on that, but it’s more probable that he’s right. So IF the “Me too” was added, there would be no final check to stop it. HOWEVER, there has been no request to RE-Dub the line, so we can assume that, now that the horse is out of the barn, WB and CW don’t really care that, in Mexico and LataM, Dean Winchester is bisexual, canonically.

Which brings us back to the REAL question: Where did that Me Too came from?

Now, I want to make clear this I DON’T BELIEVE THERE’S A BIG CW CONSPIRACY TO KEEP DEAN STRAIGHT. What I do believe is that, due to a bunch of mismanagement of the series, PR, confusion of what their demography is, old-boys club mentality AND good ol’ network censorship, they may have ended up accidentally creating the ILLUSION of one.

And to be honest, I preffer to know the ACTUAL truth, which could very well be a rogue dub director (Which, if you check my previous posts, was a possibility I raised, that if there HAD been a rogue dub translator, the director HAD to be on it too), or a different audio version sent from the US.

I’ve seen script captures from the Original English Script that were leaked, and there Dean doesn’t reply ANYTHING. Not “Me too”, not “Don’t do this, CAs”. HE just goes 404,File not found, Being Loved by an angel, doesn’t compute.

So we know that DEan’s answer in english was Ad libbed by Jensen. 

However, we also know that Jensen had to re-record some lines. 

So he could’ve ad-libbed again, something different (Either by choice, or by the director’s request. I frankly don’t know nor care. I just assume that there were two different readings and the “wrong” one was sent to the Latam Translator. Wrong here to mean “not the one that aired in the US”)

And the only way we’re going to get closer to which was it, is asking the dub director, which is what I am trying to do. And I do hope that by now, you trust me enough to know that, IF the answer was “Oh, yeah, we decided that it was more logical” , I’ll tell you straight (Or, you know, organize another panel so that you hear it from the horse’s mouth just as I did with Guillermo Rojas)

Also, yes, Guillermo didn’t say the words “I ship Destiel” or “I am a Heller”. However, he DID say that the ending of the arc of Dean and Castiel having a love story was the closing of the series, that Dean reciprocating Cas’s feelings made it make sense and that it was beautiful. So he is a heller, in spirit if not in name.

ETA: I had to fix Adrian Fogarty’s name as someone pointed out I wrote “Alejandro Fogarty” and this proves that I need at least a week of sleep as this show has broken my brain.

#mexican supernatural dub #supernatural dub #mexican dub #dean winchester is bilingual #dean winchester is bi #Guillermo Rojas is the MVP #Guillermo Rojas for Soldierboy

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Fanon or Canon: The Questionable Fate of Bella Goth

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When The Sims 2 came out, long term fans eagerly booted up Windows XP and launched the game, immediately discovering the absence of a popular character. Plumbob Post would not be a proper Sims-themed blog if I were not to address the red-dressed elephant in the room. That’s right, this post is dedicated to the one and only Bella Goth.

“Descended from a long line of occultists, mystics and decadents,” Bella Goth, the “elegant and athletic” matriarch of the Goth family, is undoubtedly the most well-known premade sim. She was introduced in The Sims alongside her husband, Mortimer, and her daughter, Cassandra, in a macabre mansion complete with a graveyard of ghosts. Very little information was given about Bella aside from the fact that she “enjoys a variety of activities from golf to miniature golf,” but she and her family quickly became fan favorites.

Subsequent expansion packs added more background to Mrs. Goth. In The Sims: Superstar, there is a poster featuring Bella, Mortimer, their neighbor, Bob Newbie, and a monkey. The description for this poster implies that she and Mortimer were at one time stars of a reality tv show similar to The Real World. The idea of Bella as an actress was later revisited in the console spinoff The Sims Bustin’ Out in which Bella is employed as a horror movie extra in the movie career.

In addition to having a history in acting, Bella is also implied to be of magical descent in The Sims Bustin’ Out, but this is not an isolated incident. The Goth family is featured extensively in promotional materials for The Sims: Makin’ Magic, the seventh and final expansion pack for the original game. In one render, Bella is shown brandishing a wand and enchanting a gnome, while Mortimer somehow magically waters a plant, and Cassandra struggles to hold back a dragon with a leash. As a result of these advertisements and Bella’s ancestry, it has become a common headcanon that she is a witch among fans and writers, such as Skell.

Imagine, or remember, a fan’s surprise upon loading the Goth family in The Sims 2 only to realize that Bella is mysteriously absent. On top of that, there is an additional Goth child, Alexander, and Cassandra is now an adult with a fiance and a job. Examining the memory panel of each family member reveals an interesting truth: Bella Goth was abducted by aliens.

I know, I know. Those of you that don’t play The Sims are probably thinking “Aliens in The Sims? What?!” Well, alien abductions in The Sims have existed since The Sims: Livin’ Large, but they play a much larger role in the second installment in the series. Mortimer and Cassandra both have memories of Bella’s abduction, but the story gets all the more confusing when one reads the neighborhood story in which it is stated that Bella was not at the Goth mansion at the time of her disappearance.

In fact, Bella Goth was last seen “scaling the deck” of Don Lothario’s condo. Who is Don Lothario? Good question. Don Lothario is none other than Cassandra Goth’s fiance, a romance sim with three girlfriends on the side. This raises a number of questions. Why was Bella with Don? Was she having an affair? How does Don relate to her disappearance?

Most of these questions are left without a definite answer in The Sims 2, but there are several details that have spawned many a fan theory. Firstly, Don is involved with a dynamic duo known as the Caliente sisters, Nina and Dina. Interestingly, Dina is in love with Mortimer  at the start of the game and was previously married to none other than Michael Bachelor, Bella Goth’s brother.

As a result of her fortune aspiration and her canon want to “marry a rich sim,” many fans characterize her as wanting to get rid of Bella. A simple look at Dina’s family tree adds fuel to this fire; the Calientes’ grandfather was an alien. Thus, fans everywhere assumed that Dina and Nina must have arranged for Bella’s abduction with Don’s help. This paints a pretty grim picture for Cassandra and Mortimer as well as the deceased Michael Bachelor.

Even so, there are many, many more clues as to where exactly Bella Goth is. If the player switches from Pleasantview to Strangetown, they may notice a familiar face in the neighborhood thumbnail. Playing Strangetown for any amount of time may lead the player to come across a very special townie. A townie named Bella Goth.

This Bella wears the same red dress and heels as the Goth matriarch and shares her bio from The Sims, but her facial structure is different, and she retains none of her original memories. She is also much younger than her husband, who is in the elder stage while she is still early in her adult life stage. As a result, fans have varying interpretations of who this lookalike is. Is she the real Bella Goth? Did the aliens create an imperfect clone? Could this Bella be simply a well-dressed imposter?

Maxis canon assumes the Strangetown Bella and the Pleasantview Bella to be the same person as of The Sims 2 for PSP, in which Bella still does not remember her family, but her secret directly references Mortimer. Additionally, EA released an “interview” where Bella Goth answers common fan questions. While this interview is canon, a large portion of fans disregard the revelations, or lack thereof, that it presents.

The interview reiterates that Strangetown and Pleasantview Bella are one and the same yet again, but adds several key details. Firstly, Bella recalls being in a ship surrounded by green men, confirming that she was indeed abducted. Secondly, she elaborates that she was only visiting Don Lothario to welcome him to the neighborhood, and that all she remembers was being on the roof with him and seeing a “flash of light.” There was no affair between her and the green-eyed casanova.

The most interesting reveal of the interview is that Mortimer created the Elixir of Life, an aspiration reward in The Sims 2 that adds three days to the life stage of whichever sim drinks it. Bella seems to think that someone influenced the Caliente sisters to draw Mortimer away from her because she was a distraction to his work. While the latter theory is often dismissed, the idea that dear old Morty invented the Elixir has been fully embraced by most fans.

While the interview confirmed the ideas of fans everywhere, there was a definite backlash to the voice it gave Mrs. Goth. Many players felt that her flippant attitude was out of character, and that many of the reveals were anticlimactic. As a result, most storytellers cherry pick which details they consider canon.

Luckily, the open-ended sandbox that is The Sims 2 leaves the fate of the Goth family in the player’s hands. One person may be content to accept Strangetown Bella as the true Bella, while another may not. Some simmers may have Dina and Mortimer get married and live out their happily ever after. Others may choose to reunite the Goths. I’m certain there are those out there who say “Forget Mortimer!” and marry Dina and Bella. Such is the beauty of The Sims. To quote the marketing tagline: “you decide.”

While a novel could be written on each and every Bella-oriented easter egg in the games, this article focused solely on canon story details in the first two installments and their spinoffs. If there is sufficient interest, there will be a follow up concerning Bella in the most recent games.

If you have any questions, comments, or suggestions, feel free to visit my ask box. If you are interested, give Plumbob Post a follow, and reblog for anyone else who you think would enjoy this blog. Stay tuned for upcoming posts.

Dag dag!

*Disclaimer: these are not my images.*

ETA: You can read part two, which covers Bella in The Sims 3 and The Sims 4, here.

#the sims #the sims 2 #the sims 2 psp #bella goth #mortimer goth #dina caliente #don lothario #cassandra goth #nina caliente

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POSSIBLE AOT/SNK S2 EYECATCHERS PART 1 - (*SPOILER*)

 We all know that AoT added these eyecatchers in all episodes to inform viewers about the things found inside the walls. 

These were found also in the manga with the same objective for the readers, however as of Chapter 36 the Disclosable Information Panel was not inserted throught the series.

So, I will present to you the possible AoT S2 Eyecatchers 

EP. 26 (Ending of Season 1, The Movie 2 Ending and Beast Titan)

-The Fort where the rest of the 104th is detained and it’s location in the map of the walls. Districts in Wall Rose and Wall Sina will be named already. As a reference to page 01 of SnK Volume 9 showing the map of the walls.

EP. 27 (I’m Home: possiblity of only Sasha being the only main character on this episode. To the Southwest and first half of Utgard Castle )

-The teams of the Survey Corps split in messaging villages to reteat to Wall Sina and various villages of Western Wall Rose like Dauper and Ragako.

EP 28 (Utgard Castle )

-Wall Sina interior with route of Eren and Co. going to Ermich (Hermiha), possible that the North will be named likely with Orvud than Utopia. 

-And the second one will be information about Utgard Castle. (This will last probably 4 episodes)

EP 29 (Soldier and first part of Ymir)

-All about Utgard Castle, probably since the siege of titans lasted for 2 Chapters, It probably ends up in 3 episodes with Ymir jumping at the top and ending with the scenes of the dancing titan killing titans at the fort.

EP 30 (Ymir: flashback of Ymir about the Blizzard Incident and her revelation about being a titan, and thirds of the chapter Historia)

-The Blizard Training and about the trainee execrises, since 104th history would be less likely be inserted or about their past will not be inserted.

EP 31 (last parts of Historia and Warrior)

- Wall Rose districts and about the Wall Rose Countermeasure. Since this includes the part where Hannes messages the Corps about the Wall not being breached.

EP 32 (Armored Titan, Punch,Lock and Throw: where the extra scene in AoT Movie 2 will be re-inserted and first parts Hunters )

- Features about Armored and Collosal Titans. It reveals the statistics of the two and possibly their fortes and weaknesses.

EP 33 (Rest of the chapter Hunters and Opening)

- Information (all the time since it’s publicly disclosable information) about Reiner and Bertolt (covers about their statistics and everything about them.)

- Also possible to have the information about the trio...

EP 34 (Children and Someone, ends with the start of Charge, as how it’s usually been in AoT by ending a chapter with a cliffhanger about the climax)

- Stories about Reiner and Bertolt’s journey to the walls.

EP 35 (Charge and the entire chapter of Scream.)

- Bertolt and Reiner in the Fall of Shiganshina, their plans and their goals in the operation.

Everything here is only a prediction. These are not leaked info in Aot S2, and if you ever thought about these, please reblog or add your own info.

SNK S2 ETA 6 DAYS!

#shingekinoheadcannons #shingeki no kyojin #attack on titan #snk season 2 #snk spoilers #snk s2 spoilers #fall of shiganshina #aot season 2 #snk headcanons