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Children make up half of the population of Gaza and nearly a million of them are currently displaced. They are forced to take shelter in unsafe buildings and makeshift camps. It is winter in Gaza, so the temperatures are getting colder and it is harder and harder to find warmth and the resources necessary to keep warm. Not even hospitals and schools are safe from bombing. The chicken are not safe from being taken hostage. They do not get enough food or water on a daily basis. The children of Gaza are by definition starving. Over 80% of Palestinian children are suffering from depression. Over 10,000 children have lost limbs in 3 months. They are going through extreme medical procedures without any painkiller or anesthetic. The watch their parents and family die in front of them and then are forced to continue in alone to try to ensure their own safety. And despite the horror that they have to go through on a daily basis, they still are finding joy and hope. They are stronger than every single one of us and if you are able to look at all the images and videos and stories that come out on an hourly basis of what these children are going through and are still not able to take it seriously you are treating them no better than Israel is.

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Synastry Notes - Part 2

Having Jupiter-Mercury aspects with someone can make for some really fun, lighthearted interactions and a lot of laughter when you're together. Conversations can also get pretty philosophical here, you might really enjoy sharing your beliefs and learning from each other. And with the planet Jupiter relating to expansion + excess, and Mercury relating to communication, aspects between these two planets in synastry can make for some lengthy conversations where both people can't get enough of talking to each other. You might leave interactions with this person feeling happier and more optimistic. The easier aspects can indicate that the Mercury person's opinions and way of thinking mesh well with the Jupiter person's moral beliefs and philosophies. The Mercury person can have a real appreciation for Jupiter's wisdom and teachings. The harsher aspects might indicate a slight difference in opinions/philosophies, where the Mercury person might reject or find faults in Jupiter's beliefs. And Jupiter might feel that Mercury gets too lost in the details, is too logical, and is unable to see the bigger picture. You can both work to expand each other's minds and worldviews. The harsh aspects can also sometimes indicate the Jupiter person being too overpowering in conversation, with them not letting Mercury get a word in and potentially being too pushy about their ideals.

Moon in the 7th house can leave the Moon person feeling very nostalgic about their relationship with the house person once it's over. Moon can become very emotionally attached to their connection with the house person and may reminisce about it if the house person is no longer in their life. This overlay can give two people quite a soft spot for each other and their relationship. And because the 7th house relates to commitment, this affinity they share can be very long lasting in some cases. This is the kind of overlay that can often allow for an easy rekindling of feelings and relationship. The Moon person's emotions might heavily depend on the state of their relationship with the house person in certain cases. Sometimes the Moon person takes on the role of nurturer in the relationship, really caring for, and maybe sometimes slightly babying the house person. But it can also be the other way around, with the Moon person seeking this care from the house person and embodying a slightly childish attitude, leading the house person to need to take on the more mature role in the relationship.

Mars in the 3rd house/Mars-Mercury aspects (especially the more challenging aspects) can indicate that the Mars person doesn't approach conversation with very much tact. They can be direct and blunt in their communication with the other person, often bringing an assertive, and sometimes even aggressive energy to conversations. The Mars person isn't likely to try and soften or polish their words before speaking, favouring a more candid and spontaneous style of communication. The house/Mercury person might not appreciate the forcefulness and lack of tact that Mars brings to their interactions, finding them too abrasive. On the other hand, they might actually appreciate that Mars isn't so rehearsed, finding their genuine, off-the-cuff communication style refreshing and even endearing. They can admire the way that Mars speaks when they're passionate about something, and the house/Mercury person's opinions and words can easily bring out this passionate side of Mars. There's a possibility of arguments between the two getting a little heated, with Mars being the fiery, unrestrained planet that it is, and the 3rd house/Mercury relating to communication. Mars might have a tendency to blurt out hurtful things during fights, which, of course, should work to be avoided.

Moon-Venus aspects in synastry are very cute, they can add a lot of sweetness to a relationship and make both people feel really warm and affectionate around each other. The harsher aspects can sometimes indicate a clash in love languages; the way the Venus person shows love may not resonate emotionally with the Moon person, and the way the Moon person cares for the Venus person may not align with the way they want to be loved. But regardless of what kind of aspect is being formed between these two planets, Moon-Venus aspects can create a lot of fondness and care between two people and can contribute to a very loving connection.

The house your Pluto is placed in another person's chart can show you where you have the ability to transform them the most. Having your Pluto in someone's 6th house can indicate that you have the ability to shift their priorities, maybe even becoming a priority yourself, you can change the way they approach their daily life, their responsibilities, you might be able to encourage them to weed out any "bad" habits they have, you can change the way they spend their time, the way they want to live their life, etc. With your Pluto in someone's 9th house, you can transform their philosophy, their morals, their broader understanding of the world, their religious or spiritual beliefs, etc.

2nd house synastry can indicate having a lot of admiration and respect for what the other person values in life, both people can feel like they care about and find comfort in similar things. And even if they don't value the exact same things, there can still be a sense of appreciation for each other's values. Because of this, I could definitely see 2nd house synastry being nice for living together in some cases. It can indicate caring about the other person's comfort and sense of safety and security.

Saturn in the 11th house synastry can indicate taking each other's friendship very seriously. It can also indicate long lasting friendship and an urge to build a connection and sense of belonging with each other, especially on the part of the Saturn person. The more negative expression of this overlay could be the house person feeling judged for their dreams and ideals, and feeling the need to defend them when around Saturn. They may also feel judged for their "weirdness" and might feel like they have to suppress it to some degree.

Neptune trine Mercury can be a wonderful aspect to have with someone, especially if you're someone who struggles with communication. The Neptune person has an almost telepathic understanding of Mercury's mind and what it is that they're trying to convey. Neptune can also denote compassion, and if you're the Mercury person you might feel very supported and cared for in conversations with Neptune. If you're the Neptune person you might feel like Mercury can understand you quite well, even when you're being vague or speaking in somewhat abstract terms. There tends to be an unspoken, intuitive understanding between these two.

Pluto-Mercury aspects can sometimes indicate that Mercury feels slightly intimidated by Pluto in conversation. This is more likely if the Mercury person doesn't have a lot of Pluto/Scorpio influence in their natal chart. Pluto's intensity, and sometimes scrutiny, might make Mercury feel a little antsy. They may find Pluto to be too overpowering and intense in their approach to communication.

Mars in the 4th house can sometimes indicate the Mars person wanting to rush into establishing a close, emotional bond with the house person. But the 4th house, like all water houses, is very private and doesn't necessarily do well with forceful, intrusive planets like Mars. When it comes to revealing our 4th house qualities to others - our most private self, our innermost emotions, our foundations, etc.- we typically need a bit of time before we feel fully comfortable opening up. And Mars isn't exactly known for it's patience. Or sensitivity. This, of course, doesn't mean that if you have your Mars in someone's 4th house you'll just completely disregard their privacy and boundaries, it just means that you likely feel so driven to form an emotional connection with them that you might forget to slow down and be tactful about it. Mars is also quite a protective planet, and the 4th house deals with emotional security, as well as a general sense of safety from the outside world, so this overlay can indicate that the Mars person feels extremely protective of the house person and is determined to keep them safe.

That's all for now, if you have any questions or requests for future posts feel free to comment!

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Answering Commonly Asked Questions About Synastry - Part. 1

Q: "When it comes to house overlays, who feels it more?"

A: With house overlays in synastry, it's not really about who feels more so much as who feels what, and which parts of each person's life/psyche are being lit up by the other. The house person is having a part of their life highlighted by the planet person and they're feeling the impact of the overlay in that way, while the planet person is feeling drawn to that area of the house person's life and is feeling the energy of the planet they're embodying. If the synastry overlay is Mars in the 7H, for example, the Mars person adopts Martian traits when operating within this area of the house person's life; they can feel driven to form a relationship with the house person, they can feel passionate about their connection with/the idea of having a connection with the house person, the way the house person interacts with others and approaches partnership may evoke strong desire in the Mars person, they can potentially become frustrated if the relationship isn't moving as fast as they might like, they might be the more dominant or assertive person in the relationship, you get the idea, but the general theme here is that the planet person is approaching their relationship with the house person through a Martian lens. Meanwhile, the house person is having the area of their life involving relationships, cooperation, and commitment essentially 'activated' by the planet person, similar to a transit. Except with synastry, the energy of the planet is being brought to you through an actual person, as opposed to a transit where it's just sort of a general, transcendent energy you feel. The Mars person can make the house person feel more driven to be in a relationship, they can make the house person feel more courageous and assertive when interacting with others, if the house person is too self-focused, the presence of Mars can really push them to become more people-oriented or to focus more on the important relationships in their life, if the Mars person is embodying the more aggressive side of Mars, then the house person might find find them and their approach to the relationship pushy and disagreeable, it can also make them feel more meek and docile during their interactions with Mars, which may or may not bother them depending on who they are, the 7H is also about cooperation and your style of interacting with others so Mars here (at it's worst) can bring a bit of a selfish, insensitive, and overly-autonomous energy to their connection with the house person. So to recap, the planet person feels the energy of the planet they're embodying and views the area of the house person's life through the lens of that planet, and the house person feels the impact of that planet on that area of their life, and feels the themes of that house being activated by the planet person. The house person is reacting to the energy of the planet, while the planet person is reacting to the energy of the house. Technically, either person can feel the energy of an overlay more than the other, but that doesn't depend on whether you're the planet person or the house person, it depends on whether or not one person in the relationship is more invested than the other, which synastry alone can't necessarily determine. Which leads me into the next frequently asked question/s:

Q: "Does this person like me? Do they find me attractive? Are we gonna get married? Will our relationship last? Who's more obsessed?" And basically anything else in that vain.

A: I'm sorry, but I don't know! Synastry (and Astrology in general) can show potential, but this potential works alongside freewill and personhood and all of the other many moving parts involved in being a human that is alive. The Synastry you have with a person will always be filtered through the kind of relationship you have with them and the kind of people you both are, as well as the circumstances around you both. The way that one synastry aspect/overlay manifests with one person in one situation may not - and likely won't - manifest in the exact same way with another person in a different situation. For example, if you have 8th house synastry with someone you're extremely close to, the effects of that 8th house synastry will likely have a stronger impact on you and be much more noticeable than the 8th synastry you might share with, let's say, a random coworker. That isn't to say that the effects aren't still there, or that synastry can only be felt in pre-existing, intimate relationships, but rather that synastry cannot *promise* any specific outcome, and can instead show the potential of a connection. If you have your Moon, for example, in that random coworkers' 8th house, it doesn't necessarily mean that you'll have a super close, deeply intimate and vulnerable relationship with them, or even that you'll want to. But it can mean that if you were to form a closer relationship with them, the potential for deep intimacy, mutual trust, and emotional support between you two would be there. It means that out of all of the other areas of this person's life, this area is what you're most emotionally drawn to, and where you have the greatest capacity to gain emotional fulfilment within the confines of your relationship. Certain synastry charts can show more potential for certain things than others. A synastry chart can show a strong likelihood of certain outcomes or a certain kind of relationship, but again, nothing is guaranteed; not in astrology, and not in life. It's also worth remembering that you have synastry with literally everyone, and you, of course, are not going to have significant relationships with every single person you encounter. In order for the synastry you have with someone to really manifest itself to its fullest, you'll need to actually form some kind of relationship with them, whether you're acquaintances, best friends, business partners, romantic partners, etc., your synastry will manage to display itself through whatever kind of connection you have. In my opinion, better questions to ask when getting a synastry reading might be: What significant patterns/themes do you notice in our chart? What might I/they find most fulfilling about our relationship? What might this person find most attractive about me, if anything? What do you find the most interesting/unique about our synastry? Is this person's chart compatible with mine on paper? What area of my life might this person have the strongest impact on? How might this person's placements interact with *blank* part of my natal chart? etc. Asking more open-ended questions like these are likely to get you much better insight.

I'll be making a part 2 to this at some point, so feel free to leave any synastry questions you have in the comments!

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Synastry Notes - part 1

Neptune square Sun can make it difficult for the Neptune person to see the Sun person clearly. The Sun person can feel like they're not being seen for who they really are, and the Neptune person may feel confused by the Sun and project traits onto them. This aspect can be especially frustrating for the Sun person if they have harsh Neptune aspects in their natal chart, or prominent 12H placements (especially Sun in the 12H). People with these placements tend to struggle with their sense of self and can often feel invisible, and this synastry aspect can really amplify those feelings, making the Sun person feel more hidden and misunderstood than they already do. On a more positive note, Neptune aspects in synastry (even the harsh ones) can encourage forgiveness, compassion, and selflessness, especially coming from the Neptune person. Neptune can be very tolerant and accepting of the planet person, finding it easy to always assume the best of them. However, the harsh aspects often bring this forgiving quality to a bit of an extreme, with Neptune being unable to see any faults in the other person at all, so just be mindful of that.

Pluto-Mercury aspects can allow for some really deep and meaningful conversations between two people. Pluto is investigative, they want truth, rawness, depth. They can be extremely interested in the Mercury person's mind, wanting to draw out Mercury's completely honest, unfiltered thoughts and opinions. Pluto isn't satisfied with surface level conversation here, and can become quite frustrated if Mercury doesn't feel like sharing all of their deepest, darkest secrets, or if Pluto feels like they're being too 'filtered'. This is mainly an issue with the harsh aspects, with the Mercury person finding Pluto too probing, while the softer aspects tend to indicate that the Mercury person enjoys the intensity that Pluto brings to communication, and is quite willing to dive into deep conversation with them. Pluto can bring a newfound depth to Mercury's thinking, which Mercury is intrigued by. Pluto has the potential to completely transform the way that Mercury thinks about things and conceives of the world around them.

Chiron trine Venus can be so so sweet, the Venus person's love and affection has a healing effect on Chiron, soothing them of any pain and helplessness they may feel. Chiron might feel slightly reliant on Venus's care, and Venus may be their go-to person when they're out of sorts and in need of comfort. There's potential for a lot of unconditional love and compassion with this aspect.

I feel like 6H synastry doesn't always get the attention it deserves. I personally love it for any kind of relationship and find that with the right people it can be very tender and full of care. Similar to 12H synastry, there can be a self-sacrificing quality to the 6H. Except when it comes to 12H synastry this tends to be more of a 'spiritual' self-sacrifice, and usually feels more hidden, while the 6H speaks to self-sacrifice in a much more literal and grounded way. For example, canceling plans to take care of someone while they're sick, dropping everything to help out a friend in need, etc. Just really taking the time and effort to do something important for another person. Selfless care. 6H synastry always reminds me of this excerpt, "Pylades: I'll take care of you. Orestes: It's rotten work. Pylades: Not to me. Not if it's you."

Mars in the 7H synastry can make the Mars person want to rush into a relationship with the house person. Whichever house your Mars is placed in another person's chart can be where you sort of get tunnel vision and are very determined to get what you want; it's what you feel driven towards. And Mars is a bit of a selfish planet, it wants what it wants and it doesn't necessarily always remember to stop and consider the feelings of others. So with Mars in another person's 7H, the Mars person may be a bit pushy with the house person, struggling to understand the point of waiting to establish a relationship when they're ready to jump right in! Mars isn't the best planet to have in someone's 7H when it comes to approaching a relationship with slowness and maturity, that's more Saturn's domain. And if Saturn is a wise, slow-to-act old man, then Mars is kind of like a rowdy, over-eager child who doesn't quite get why they have to wait until after dinner to eat their dessert. The Mars person likely isn't interested in approaching the relationship gradually or with much caution, they just want to hurry up and make it official. Which can be a good or bad thing depending on who you ask.

The attraction that Mars-Venus aspects bring about tends to be quite palpable. As planets, Mars and Venus are polar opposites; with Mars ruling Aries and Scorpio, and Venus ruling Libra and Taurus, so these two can have very complimentary energies. I've found that being the Venus person can make you feel very giddy around Mars, even if that doesn't match your usual personality or demeanor. And being the Mars person can make you feel more passionate and assertive than you normally might. If you're the Mars person, you may feel very driven to attain the Venus person's love and affection. And if you're the Venus person, you're likely to be receptive to the Mars person's energy, finding them very attractive. With the harsh aspects, the Mars person can come off a little too strong and aggressive to Venus, which, in some cases, the Venus person might actually like and find intriguing.

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hey! this is kind of a lot to ask but can i request you look over these aspects and tell me what kind of dynamic these charts together could produce? if not that's okay!!

Yeah sure! But I can't really properly read a synastry chart without knowing the signs and houses involved, as well as the condition of each natal chart. So if you feel comfortable you can send in the full chart and I can interpret it for you then!

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Tip:

For anyone wanting to learn a little more about astrology but unable to afford books at the moment (or would just prefer to listen to audio than read) I would highly recommend 'The Astrology Podcast' by Chris Brennan! It's super informative and the episodes are very long, around two hours each, so they're pretty thorough. You can only get so much information from Tumblr posts and TikToks (which are also extremely valuable and educational, don't get me wrong! This is coming from someone who runs an astrology blog lol) but if you feel like you have an okay understanding of astrology but not necessarily a very deep one, this podcast is a really great (and accessible) resource! The podcast started back in 2017 and is still going so there are quite a few episodes available.

And if you're just starting out with astrology and don't know which episode to start with, I would recommend listening to the episodes on each zodiac sign first, and then listening to the episodes on each planet. But you can really start with any episode you want, there are tons to choose from and they're all really informative and easy to understand, even if your current knowledge of astrology is limited.

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Part 2: Chiron in Synastry

Now that we've established the mythical and astrological meaning of Chiron, let's look at what happens when Chiron is aspected in synastry. (And, like in my last post, I'll be referencing 'Chiron in Love' by Liz Greene, which is a book I would really recommend to anyone wanting to learn a little more about this topic.)

Chiron and Compassion - Liz Greene explains that Chiron is quite common in synastry charts with people we have important relationships with, saying, "Chiron is often found forming close synastry aspects in the charts of people involved in significant relationships of every kind. These might be romantic or familial, but Chiron's involvement also turns up in important working relationships as well as relationships between nations and their leaders." (Greene, p. 71) She goes on to say that the prominence of Chiron in love relationships may be surprising to some, as Chiron isn't necessarily romantic. It doesn't provide a relationship with that 'spark' that planets like Venus or Mars do. But remember that love is not synonymous with romance, and while Chiron may not bring much allure to a relationship, it can bring compassion. Which every relationship needs. Greene points out that, "Our most enduring emotional bonds with others are built on shared suffering. Compassion doesn't just bind us emotionally and make us feel needed. It also opens the gates to the imagination, beginning with the capacity to imagine ourselves in the other person's shoes. We're no longer trapped within our own private loneliness. Think about what happens when people are grieving, whether it's an individual, a family, or a whole society. Shared suffering makes people care for each other in ways they might not ordinarily experience. Collective disasters like the Twin Towers or the Southeast Asian tsunami of 2004, or the deaths of greatly loved figures [like Princess Diana], draw people together through shared grief in ways that don't happen in other circumstances." (Greene, pp. 78-79) When Chiron is present in synastry, these individuals can care for each other quite deeply. The compassion they feel for each other, particularly coming from the planet person, can lead them to do things they ordinarily wouldn't. The type of care the planet person provides the Chiron person with will be coloured by whichever planet of theirs is being aspected. If it's Venus, they may try to soothe Chiron's pain by showering them with love and affection, and through outward admiration and appreciation. If it's Mercury, they may feel pulled to talk through Chiron's issues with them, acting as bit of a therapist. If it's the Moon, they can nurture the Chiron person, providing them with vulnerability, safety, and connection. You get the gist. These two might have quite a soft spot for each other, they tend to care for one another in ways that aren't usual for them, or that are more 'profound'. The planet person may feel determined to erase the Chiron person's pain. But, as we went over in the last post, there's no 'cure' for Chiron's wound, no quick fix. This is no different in synastry. While the planet person may be able to bring the Chiron person's wounds to the surface and try their best to soothe them, they cannot entirely rid Chiron of their hurt. But, with the willingness of the Chiron person, they can help them find ways to accept and deal with their pain, which can, in itself, be quite healing.

What Happens when your Planet is Aspecting their Chiron? -

"I've been focusing mainly on natal Chiron constellated by a planet in someone else's chart. But what about the other way around? What if it's our planet making an aspect to someone else's Chiron?

Audience: I would be doing the same thing to them.

Liz: Yes, in a general sense - there is an activation of something within you too. But the planet is different, so it's not quite 'the same thing'. They aren't triggering your wound; you're triggering theirs. A planet in your natal chart is stirred by the other person's Chiron, which means that their complexity, defensiveness, pain, and perhaps also wisdom and compassion will activate something within your own psyche and help bring it to life in a new way. The way might be difficult and you might decide you would rather be elsewhere, but there is a meaningful pattern at work." (Greene, p. 74)

Similarities between Saturn and Chiron - Liz Greene notes that the frequency of Chiron in close relationships can be compared to that of Saturn. Saturn and Chiron, of course, have their own respective meanings and both bring different things to a relationship, but there are a few notable similarities between the two. Greene says, "Like Saturn, Chiron in synastry reflects subtle, often deeply unconscious issues activated in the relationship that could lead to creative transformation or profound hurt and disillusionment, and frequently both. Also like Saturn in synastry, Chiron requires effort, honesty, and consciousness on the part of both people to express its most creative dimensions." (Greene, p. 71)

'Profound Hurt and Disillusionment' - I'd like to touch on the 'profound hurt' aspect of Chiron synastry for a moment, as the theme of pain is inherent to Chiron and can't exactly be ignored. I don't believe that Chiron's presence in synastry always points to a painful relationship. But everyone has a Chiron in their own natal chart, and therefore everyone already has this profound hurt somewhere deep inside them, whether they're conscious of it or not. And when our Chiron is triggered by another person, we're forced to face this hurt. Which not everyone is ready to do. Some may react quite negatively, and sometimes in particularly volatile ways. Greene describes this type of reaction, saying, "When Chiron is lying in his cave howling, between the wounding and the relinquishing of his immortality, he is in extreme agony. He's incoherent and incapacitated. He's not likely to greet visitors by inviting them in for a cup of tea and asking them to talk about their problems. He will be savage toward anyone who intrudes on his agony. Horses, when injured, kick and bite or run away. Chiron's reaction to extreme pain is an instinctive, visceral reaction, and it's sometimes savage." (Greene, p. 43) If the planet person attempts to soothe, or even merely address Chiron's pain, this may be the exact kind of reaction they're met with. There's a tendency for Chiron to pass on its wounds, especially within the family, but in other kinds of relationships as well. Chiron can lash out and project their hurt onto the other person, and this hurt may then be absorbed into whichever area of life Chiron's wounds are being cast onto. But the Chiron person is not the only one capable of causing hurt in the relationship. Chiron is a very sensitive spot in a person's chart, and in the context of synastry, the Chiron person is the one embodying this sensitivity. They can be easily bruised by the planet person. Every hurtful thing, no matter how unintentional, deepens the Chiron person's pre-existing wounds. In extreme cases, the planet person may act callously toward the Chiron person, using Chiron's fragility to make themselves feel more powerful. Another unfortunate, albeit much less extreme, way that Chiron aspects can play out in synastry is through 'disillusionment'. "Disillusioned, adjective: Disappointed in someone or something that one discovers to be less good than one had believed." Chiron synastry, while challenging, can feel quite promising. Enchanting, even. Especially to the Chiron person, who may end up deluding themselves into believing that the planet person is their knight in shining armor coming to save them from all their pain and misery. Our natal Chiron can make us feel completely powerless in dealing with our suffering, so the fantasy of another person saving us from this pain can be quite comforting and can potentially lead us to act in slightly delusional ways, including placing unrealistic expectations onto the other person. But once this illusion is shattered, the Chiron person will likely be left feeling hurt, alone, and disappointed.

This has been a very long post, so I'll end it now with this quote from Liz Greene:

"Whatever planet is involved with Chiron in synastry, consciousness in both people is needed to work with the aspect constructively. Both need to be willing to look inward with honesty. It can't be entirely one-sided or it will fail. That's asking a lot, but there are no free lunches in Chiron's world... Close Chiron synastry aspects can feel like hell at times. Not everyone is suited to this kind of complexity or introspection in their relationships, nor wants to make the sacrifices required... It can be very tricky to handle Chiron aspects in synastry. Yet if we're willing to try, it can be profoundly healing because we actually have to let another human being see the place inside where we feel unfairly and irrevocably damaged." (Greene, pp. 86-89)

Greene, L. (2023) Chiron in Love: The Astrology of Envy, Rage, Compassion and Wisdom. Swanage: The Wessex Astrologer Ltd.

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Thoughts on Chiron in synastry?

I actually just read the book 'Chiron in Love: The Astrology of Envy, Rage, Compassion and Wisdom' (2023) by Liz Greene, and I would really recommend it to anyone who wants to do a deep dive on Chiron in synastry! The book is based on a seminar she originally gave in 2005 and it goes over 'the nature of Chiron', 'Chiron in synastry', 'Chiron in the family,' and 'Chiron in the composite chart'. I don't think I could possibly explain anything from this book better than Liz Greene herself, so the majority of this post will be made up of excerpts (some of the quotes are very long so bear with me). And unfortunately there's a word limit on tumblr so I'll have to split this into multiple posts. This post will be focusing on Chiron alone, and the next post will delve into Chiron in synastry.

In order to understand Chiron in synastry, it's important to first develop a clear understanding of Chiron on its own. In this book, Liz Greene begins by giving some background to the myth of Chiron, "The story that astrologers tend to relate to Chiron is his wounding by Herakles' poisoned arrow. But the way it's usually presented today in [astrological] circles is significantly different from older versions of the story. According to the updated version, Chiron is wounded and then becomes a healer because he has experienced deep suffering and develops compassion. I'm not suggesting that this idea is 'untrue', as it's a powerful theme connected with the emergence of genuine empathy and the capacity to turn one's suffering into a creative tool to relate to and alleviate others' pain. Chiron is a potent image of the healer who has acquired wisdom through personal pain. This version of Chiron has learned how to heal others because he has been wounded, and he reflects the process by which life's damage can enhance consciousness and put us on a path connecting us with [deeper] realities. The fact that Chiron can't heal himself is a necessary part of the story. If we could fully heal our own wounds, we might [lose] our compassion for others who are suffering. It's only the ongoing recognition of our frailty and damage that allows the continuance of empathy. There is profound truth in this interpretation. The only problem is that the idea of healing gifts emerging as a product of wounding is not what the myth of Chiron as it has come down to us from antiquity actually tells us. There are [many] sources for myths, and they inevitably mutate over time according to changing cultural contexts...I'm not suggesting that only the earliest rendition of a mythic story is the 'right' one. Myths are living entities and, because they are symbolic, many meanings may be simultaneously 'right', and different readings of a story may be especially applicable at different epochs of history. But when we're seeking astrological insights, it's always worth looking at versions of the story different to the ones we're most attached to, because they can offer us a new perspective on the pattern." (Greene, pp. 28-31)

She then goes on to describe the original myth of Chiron, "Whatever version of the story we consider, the most striking difference between the one given in ancient sources and the one told in contemporary astrological circles is that in earlier sources, Chiron doesn't become a healer because he's wounded. He's already a healer, and his wounding not only puts an end to his career but also results in the relinquishing of his immortality. There seems to be agreement about the fact that the wounding occurs accidentally through the agency of Herakles; the [superhero] of Greek myth who is given 12 Labours to perform as a penance for the inadvertent murder of his wife and children, and manages [to complete all of them]. Herakles had just finished the second of his 12 Labours; the fight with the Lernaen Hydra, a poisonous snakelike monster with nine self-regenerating heads. All the hero's spent arrows were covered in the Hydra's deadly blood. After he put the arrows back in their quiver, he set off to visit his friend Pholos, the wisest and most benign of the wild centaurs. Pholos had a sealed jar of wine hidden in his cave which he had vowed to never touch because he knew that wine could drive centaurs mad. Pholos [was] determined to be civilised and loyal to his vow. Despite Herakles' insistence, he refused to open the jar of wine. But Herakles, being somewhat pushy, finally bullied Pholos into opening the wine. The other centaurs [caught a whiff of it]. They went mad from the mere scent of it, seized the jar, and started drinking. They began to tear up trees and smash boulders and hurl rocks, shooting arrows at each other and also at Herakles. Chiron, their King, rushed out of his own cave to stop the madness, because these were his people and he was responsible for them. Herakles meanwhile was pulling arrows out of his quiver and shooting them in every direction, killing many of the centaurs. In the midst of [this chaos], an arrow passed through the arm of one of the centaurs and accidentally struck Chiron. The arrow lodged in Chiron's hip, knee, foot/hoof (depending on which myth you read), all three of which belong to the horse part of him. Because the arrow was coated in the Hydra's [poisonous] blood, the wound it inflicted couldn't be healed. Chiron rushed back into his cave howling in agony. No matter what remedy he tried, his skills couldn't heal the injury. Because he was immortal, he couldn't die the way the other centaurs did. His situation was impossible and tragic. He couldn't function because of his agony, so he lay in his cave screaming in pain. Then a divine intervention occurred. The Titan Prometheus, who had offended Zeus by stealing the god's fire to give to humans, had been punished by being chained to a rock in the Caucasus mountains, where Zeus's eagle visited every day to devour Prometheus' liver. But this torture didn't quite kill the Titan because every night the liver miraculously regenerated and heralded another day of agony. Zeus, displaying his most spiteful face, decreed that this misery had to go on until some divine being was willing to surrender the gift of immortality to Prometheus. There had been no volunteers. Herakles, who felt guilty because Chiron was his friend, said to his father Zeus, 'I know someone who might be willing to do it.' Thus Chiron relinquished his immortality to take the place of Prometheus in the underworld, freeing the Titan from suffering and at the same time freeing himself from his own pain. Before his wounding, Chiron was already a healer and teacher, good and wise, gifted and kind. But through no fault of his own, he is caught in the [crossfire]. He blunders into the middle of the conflict to stop it, but [is not able to]. He can do nothing to heal himself despite all his wisdom and all his arts, because the Hydra's poison is an eternal poison." (Greene, pp. 31-34)

In this myth Chiron is faced with an impossible situation, one that he isn't personally responsible for, "Chiron can't keep his immortality without eternal misery and wretchedness and the loss of his purpose in the world. He can't remain a god. He isn't to blame, and his blamelessness seems to be one of the major themes of the astrological Chiron." (Greene, p. 35) In your natal chart, Chiron can point to an area of life where you feel unfairly and irrevocably wounded, and perpetually unable to soothe the pain of this wound. It's where you feel you are "[a] victim of life]" (Greene, p. 36), as Liz Greene puts it, being arbitrarily subjected to pain and suffering by something much larger than yourself, something completely outside of your control and beyond your capabilities as an individual.

She adds, "It's only when Chiron is ready to relinquish his immortality that he is granted release from his suffering. This is a disturbing denoument, and it's understandable that is has been reinterpreted so that Chiron's wounding results in compassion and healing gifts. But I think it's important to explore the myth in its original form as well as acknowledging the value of the latter version, rather than trying to convince ourselves that there will always be a happy ending to this story...The myth tells us that Chiron's wound can never be cured. But perhaps we can try to transform our way of responding to it and turn it into something more [creative and life-affirming]. That effort might itself constitute healing." (Greene, pp. 35-41) She then discusses what it might mean to 'relinquish immortality'. "Audience: I think the relinquishment of immortality means a kind of humility in life, and an acceptance of your own death. Liz: Yes, I agree. The sacrifice suggests an acceptance of life's imperfections, the limits of our power as individuals, and our inevitable mortality..." (Greene, p. 47) There may be no 'cure' to Chiron's wound, but through adjusting our perception and reaction to this wound, and through profound acceptance, we can slowly begin to heal.

I'll end this post with an analogy from the book about how different things in life can be viewed through different lenses, or planets that is, and I think it really helps demonstrate how Chiron actually feels in a chart. She says, "Think about your last trip to the dentist. If you view the experience through Saturn's lens, it's an uncomfortable but necessary part of keeping your body healthy. It's unpleasant but you put up with it stoically and leave the dental surgery quite pleased because you've discharged your duty to your oral hygiene for another year. And if you have to lose a tooth or be fitted with a denture, well, that's just the hard reality of life. Viewed through Venus' lens, the important issue is having a beautiful smile, and it's worth putting up with just about anything and paying any amount of money to achieve it. And it's even more rewarding if you fancy the dentist. But viewed through Chiron's lens, it's a terrifying experience because of the expectation of suffering. You'll put off the visit for as long as possible, and the delay may worsen the condition of your teeth. The hygienist becomes a sociopathic sadist and the dentist transforms into the slasher from A Nightmare on Elm Street. If you must have a tooth extracted, it confirms your conviction that life is brutally unfair, because surely they could have saved the tooth had they cared about you enough or if you could have afforded a top-quality private dental clinic. You leave the dental surgery feeling as though you're suffering from PTSD because it was so traumatic. We can bring many different archetypal perceptions to our experience of injury. When we bring Chiron's perception to it, the experience carries all of the connotations of Chiron's myth." (Greene, p. 68)

In the next post we'll put all of this into the context of synastry.

Greene, L. (2023) Chiron In Love: The Astrology of Envy, Rage, Compassion and Wisdom. Swanage: The Wessex Astrologer Ltd.

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Natal to Composite Chart Comparison

Quick explanation of Composite charts:

The Composite chart is the chart of the relationship, it shows the energy of the connection. Composite charts are actually more similar in nature to Natal charts than Synastry charts, as Synastry is the comparison between two separate charts, while the Composite chart is its own individual entity, much like a Natal chart. The placements in a Composite chart are what is mutually felt between the two. Synastry, on the other hand, shows how each person is receiving the other's energy, as well as what energies each person is bringing out of the other.

Composite = Energy of the relationship, how you two mutually feel about each other and the connection.

Synastry = Energy of your interactions, how you each view the other, and what energies you bring out of each other.

Now, if you want insight into how each person views and relates to the relationship, you can compare each of your Natal charts to the Composite chart. (When this comparison is done with a Davison chart, it's known as a "Mark's chart", but I'll just be focusing on Composite for now.)

(Because the Composite chart technically doesn't exist in time or space, and does not contain an actual date or location, you'll have to do this comparison manually. With a Davison chart, on the other hand, there is an actual date and location provided which allows you to just input the information into a website and compare your Natal chart with it that way. (You can do all of this on Astro.com by the way!)

Quick explanation of Natal-Composite chart comparison:

Your Natal planets falling into the Composite houses/aspecting the Composite chart = The impact you have on the relationship, as well as the energy you bring to the connection.

The Composite planets falling into your Natal houses/aspecting your Natal chart = The impact the relationship has on you, as well as the energy the relationship is bringing to your life.

For example:

If your Natal Sun falls into the Composite 8th house, this means you're shining a light on themes of intimacy, shared resources, and interdependence within the relationship. You may feel like you can fulfill your deepest desires through the profound bond that the relationship provides. You may be the main one sustaining these themes in the relationship. You're able to embody your brightest, most authentic self when you're connecting with the other person on a deeper, more intimate level.

On the flip side, if the Composite Sun falls into your Natal 8th house, this means that the relationship is casting a spotlight on your 8th house themes, as opposed to the 8th house themes of the relationship. Your sense of intimacy, your willingness to rely on others, your underlying fears, your ability to be vulnerable; the connection you have with this person can bring all of these things to light. The relationship also has the ability to nourish these themes and help sustain this area of life for you.

I hope this wasn't too confusing, but if anyone has any questions I'd be happy to answer!

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Quick Saturn Synastry post

Saturn deals with commitment and longevity, and the placement of your Saturn in a synastry chart can show what evokes your sense of commitment within the relationship. What makes you want to stay, what keeps you coming back. What makes you see a future with someone.

For example, if you have your Saturn in someone's fourth house, then the comfort, safety, and familiarity you feel with this person may be where your commitment lies. If your Saturn is aspecting someone's Venus, their sense of love and affection may be what makes you feel committed to them.

(Keep in mind that what makes you feel most committed to a person isn't necessarily going to be the same thing as what you like most about a person.)

Saturn is also about hard work, it's about putting time and effort in and reaping the rewards. So where your Saturn is placed in a synastry chart can also show where you see potential in a person, an area of life where you can really envision a future with them, even if there currently doesn't seem to be much there. There can be a strong impulse to build upon this area of life/these themes.

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Do you use both system also for the synastry? Because I have a venus 12h synastry with my person if i use placidus, but in whole house it says 1st so I don’t really know..it changes also the moon (8h to 9h) 🫠

Yes, I do! I use both house systems for every chart I look at (natal, synastry, composite, etc.) For your synastry placements specifically, I would consider you to have Venus in both the first and twelfth house, and Moon in both the eighth and ninth house. As I mentioned in my previous post, I view the two house systems as being complementary to each other, like two intertwining truths coexisting.

With the first house Venus overlay, you're placed with all of the usual themes that come along with first house synastry; strong focus on outer appearance/behaviour, sense of immediacy, and sometimes a little bit of superficiality (though, not always). But the twelfth house Venus overlay brings an added layer of depth and mysticism to the relationship that likely wouldn't be provided by the first house overlay alone. The easily seen and the unseen are intermingling here, which provides a really interesting contrast.

Now for the Moon overlays. The eighth house is all about transformation, intimacy, and reliance on/support for others, while the ninth house is about self-discovery, knowledge, adventure seeking, and advancement. The eighth house is a relatively "dark" and, often quite intense, house, and the presence of the ninth house overlay here can bring some much needed liveliness and joviality to the connection to help balance some of that gloominess out. There can be a lot of emotional investment in the growth of the other person, and in their ability to strive for more and become their greatest, happiest self (courtesy of the ninth house overlay). While the eighth house overlay can indicate an inclination to provide the other with the emotional, spiritual, and sometimes even material/financial support they need to get there.

I hope this is helpful!

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Do you use placidus or whole sign

I actually use both! Which is a little unconventional, but when I was starting out with astrology I tried choosing between Placidus and Whole sign and couldn't narrow it down to just one, so I ended up sticking with both of them. I view them as being complimentary to each other, rather than contradictory. For anyone just beginning to learn astrology I would definitely recommend picking one house system to start (it doesn't necessarily have to be Placidus or Whole sign, there are other house systems as well!). Using two house systems can feel a bit convoluted at times, but I find that it's worth it, and I'd feel like I was leaving out a pretty big piece of the puzzle otherwise. I tend to look at the Whole sign placements of a chart first, and then the Placidus ones for more detail. But the house system you use is really just a matter of personal preference.

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Masterlist

Sun through the Houses in Synastry part 1 (1H-4H)

Sun through the Houses in Synastry part 2 (5H-8H)

Venus through the Houses in Synastry (coming soon)

Saturn through the Houses in Synastry

The difference between Squares and Oppositions

Degrees/orbs I go up to in Synastry and Natal

Placidus or Whole sign?

Tidbit about Saturn in Synastry

Natal to Composite Chart Comparison/Mark's Charts

Chiron

Chiron in Synastry

Astrology resource

Synastry Notes - Part 1

Synastry Notes - Part 2

Answering Commonly Asked Questions About Synastry - Part 1

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How are oppositions and squares different in synastry?

That's a good question! Oppositions and squares are both considered harsh aspects, they both cause some kind of disharmony between whatever planets are involved. However, there are some, often subtle, differences between the two.

With oppositions, you're placed with two, almost foreign, energies pulling each other in opposite directions. The root of the conflict here is usually quite easy to discern, as these energies tend to be in clear contrast with one another. The goal with oppositions is to find balance. Opposing signs are really just two sides of the same coin, so while they may express themselves in vastly different ways, their internal drive remains the same. Each of the opposing signs have traits that their counterpart lacks. In synastry, this can make for an interesting and exciting dynamic where the two individuals can learn a lot from each other (so long as they're willing to compromise a little). A synastry chart containing a lot of oppositions can foster a fair amount of growth in both people, as these two challenge each other in ways that force them to take on new perspectives. So while oppositions in synastry may be frustrating at times, they can provide the two an opportunity to push past the confines of their own perspectives and learn to achieve a happy medium in their own lives, as well as in their relationship.

Squares, on the other hand, bring forth tension, intensity, and harshness. Unlike planets in opposition, which can feel deeply unfamiliar at first, but ultimately have the same underlying motivations, planets forming a square don't necessarily feel unfamiliar, so much as they feel stubbornly set in their own ways. There's this sort of fundamental incompatibility going on with the square which can cause a lot of friction. There's less of an impulse to be cooperative and flexible with each other. And this isn't always just a matter of ego, it can be caused by fear or feeling blocked in some way. Squares also have this tendency to feel immediate, urgent. To be more specific, squares have a tendency to cause issues (internal or external) that feel like they require immediate action and attention, usually due to the discomfort they bring. This can actually be a good thing, as they urge you to face these issues head on and learn to problem-solve. With the square aspect, it's common for both planets involved to seek the upper hand, and try to gain power and control over the other. In synastry, this can cause a lot of tension in the relationship, and it's important for both people to be mindful of this. Squares are like roadblocks that you need to find a way around, unlike oppositions where the goal is to strike a balance between two extremes, squares are less about finding balance, and more about finding clever ways around the roadblock.

Quick summary of the two aspects + key words:

Oppositions: Two mutually opposed energies meeting and coming to understand their similarities, then learning to find balance and compromise in their differences. Integrating qualities the other possesses that they themselves lack, and becoming more whole in the process. Two sides of the same coin, clearly contrasted energies, lots of push and pull, learning to see things from a new perspective. Learning to avoid extremes, favouring moderation and finding a middle ground. Same modality, compatible elements, making it easier to understand each other. Needs balance and compromise to work.

Squares: Two fundamentally incompatible energies meeting and creating tension and discomfort, feeling blocked off from connection. Learning to coexist without dominating the other, favouring peace, respect, and understanding. Roadblocks, discomfort, stubbornness, friction. Finding ways to understand each other and adjusting certain behaviours to facilitate connection. Same modality, incompatible elements, making it hard for one planet to "win", both planets in constant battle. Needs patience, understanding, and a certain degree of sacrifice to work.

Example synastry aspects to note the difference:

Mars opposite Mercury: Mars and Mercury are embodying two extremes here. Mars is combative, forceful, and driven, doing before thinking. Favouring action and aggression, and behaving on instinct. Mercury is thoughtful and analytical, thinking before doing. Favouring investigation, introspection, and communication. Mars can be a little too fiery and impulsive, while Mercury can be too contemplative, and struggle with taking action. Mars can teach Mercury to take the ideas they've mulled over and finally put them into action. They can also inspire Mercury to communicate with more passion, or to be more assertive. Mercury, on the other hand, can urge Mars to stop and deliberate before they do something harsh and impulsive. They can encourage Mars to be more thoughtful. Let's say these two planets are in the opposing signs of Virgo (Mars) and Pisces (Mercury). Virgo Mars is practical, analytical, and grounded in reality. But they can get worked up quite easily. When angry, Mars in Virgo tends to spew a lot of criticism and harsh words, which can easily hurt sensitive Pisces. Virgo Mars' rigidity and scathing judgement is directly opposed to Pisces Mercury's delicate, compassionate, and open-minded nature. Pisces Mercury isn't interested in the limited nature of reality, they're much more fascinated by their own imagination, which can frustrate (and confuse) Virgo Mars to no end. Pisces Mercury views Virgo Mars as being too nitpicky, and not enough of a dreamer, while Virgo Mars views Pisces Mercury as being too "wishy-washy", and not realistic enough. These opposing energies can be frustrating to deal with, but there is an upside; both of these individuals possess qualities that the other person lacks. Pisces Mercury can provide Virgo Mars with some much needed imagination and whimsy, and Virgo Mars can bring Pisces Mercury back down to earth when they get too lost in the abstract.

Mars square Mercury: Now similar to the opposition, Mars and Mercury are both at odds with each other here. But they're not opposing each other, so they don't necessarily have the same underlying motivations, which can make it much harder for them to relate to one another. They also don't possess the qualities that the other lacks, which means they don't quite make up for each other's weaknessess either. The aggressive and impatient nature of Mars clashes with Mercury's introspective and meditative nature. Mars can bring quite a hostile energy to conversations, which can bother Mercury quite a bit. And Mercury's endless rambling can really get on the Mars person's nerves. Let's say these two planets are in Virgo (Mars) and Gemini (Mercury). Both Gemini and Virgo value logic, but they express this very differently, and usually in conflicting ways. Gemini is more curious than analytical. And their way of communicating tends to be quite scattered. Gemini Mercury's disorganized thinking and communication can frustrate Virgo Mars, as Virgo needs structure, order; they need things to make sense. And to them, Gemini is nonsensical. Since this is Mars we're dealing with, Mars will likely be easily irritated by Mercury. On the other side of things, Gemini Mercury finds Virgo Mars disagreeable, and doesn't appreciate their compulsive need to analyze and criticize everything. Both Virgo Mars and Gemini Mercury are very stubborn here, and they don't want to succumb to the other person's way of doing things, which can cause a lot of tension in the relationship. But squares aren't hopeless, these two may not be able to find balance in their clashing traits the way they could with an opposition, but they can still find ways to work around their differences and connect. Virgo Mars can hold back their criticism every once in a while, and learn to appreciate Gemini's chaotic way of expressing themselves. While Gemini Mercury can pause their rambling every so often, and allow Virgo to analyze, dissect, and organize to their heart's desire.

The difference between squares and oppositions (in natal or synastry charts) isn't huge, but understanding these subtle distinctions can really help add nuance to a chart. Hope this helps!

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Hii what degree do u usually go up to in synastry because I have aspects that really make sense but they're at a wider orb than what most people say to use

Hi, for synastry I go up to 6 degrees for conjunctions and oppositions, 5 degrees for trines and squares, and 3 degrees for sextiles. For birth charts I go up to 9 degrees for conjunctions and oppositions, 8 degrees for trines and squares, and 6 degrees for sextiles. Hope that helps!

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Saturn in Synastry

Where someone’s Saturn falls in your chart can show you where you seek their approval the most, and where you only ever want them to see you at your best. (Saturn overlays can show a whole load of other things as well, but I'll just be focusing on this one aspect for now to keep descriptions short). 

Saturn in the 1H: 1st house person might seek Saturn’s approval in regards to their outer presentation and overall way of conducting themselves. They can become hyper aware of themselves when Saturn is around and may even feel the need to alter their usual behavior to fit whatever it is they think Saturn would approve of. It may be hard for the house person to behave like their normal self around Saturn as they can feel quite stifled in their presence, overthinking their every move and sometimes even withholding aspects of their personality, which can become exhausting over time. 

Saturn in the 2H: 2nd house person may want Saturn to view them at their best in the area of life regarding resources, sense of security, and overall quality of life. They don't ever want Saturn to see them in a tough financial spot, or lacking security in any way. 2nd house person may not feel comfortable asking Saturn for help or showing any vulnerability in this area of their life, as they worry that Saturn wouldn't be understanding. On top of representing material values, the 2nd house also represents what you value in life, and the house person may want Saturn to approve of whatever it is they value, and may even hide some of these things if they feel Saturn would be judgmental.

Saturn in the 3H: 3rd house person wants Saturn to approve of their intellect, opinions, thinking, and way of getting their ideas across. The 3rd house person may feel like they have to really revise and polish the things they say to the Saturn person before they say them, as they want Saturn to view their ideas and communication skills as "perfect". Saturn here can really help the house person learn to communicate more effectively, but it can also make them feel restricted in their communication and they may feel like it takes a lot of energy just to converse with the Saturn person.

Saturn in the 4H: 4th house person wants Saturn to approve of their innermost feelings and most private, comfortable self. They may choose to hide their more "touchy-feely" emotions and try to appear stoic, as they fear a cold, awkward response, or even flat-out rejection from Saturn. They can feel like Saturn is harsh and insensitive towards their feelings, or on the lesser side, they may just feel that Saturn isn’t best equipped to handle their emotions. 4th house person may also struggle to feel comfortable enough around Saturn to display their more real, private self, which can make it hard for these two to bond on a deeper level.

Saturn in the 5H: 5th house person may want Saturn to approve of their hobbies, creative self-expression, sense of fun, as well as anything they're proficient in. However, they might try to keep some of these things hidden if they believe Saturn will disapprove. 5th house person can feel like Saturn views them as immature, and sees the things they do for fun as foolish or “beneath them” in some way. They may feel like their self-expression and ability to let loose is being restricted by Saturn. They might try to come across as more mature and sophisticated when around the Saturn person.

Saturn in the 6H: 6th house person might want Saturn to approve of the way they spend their time, and their ability to take care of themselves and maintain structure in their life. When Saturn is around, the house person may try to hide any bad habits or helplessness they feel. The 6th house person worries that Saturn will judge their lifestyle, their “laziness” (for lack of a better word), or any lack of order and organization in their life. They don't want Saturn to see the "messier", less perfect parts of them.

Saturn in the 7H: 7th house person wants Saturn to approve of their way of interacting/cooperating with others. They might also want Saturn to approve of the more significant relationships in their life. They want Saturn to view them as “relationship material” (whether the relationship is romantic, platonic, business related, or otherwise), the 7th house person wants Saturn to see them as someone worthy of commitment. The 7th house also relates to conflict, and the house person may not want Saturn to ever see them behaving in a hostile or unpleasant manner towards anyone. 

Saturn in the 8H: 8th house person wants Saturn to view them as an independent, impenetrable force. They want Saturn to approve of their depth, vulnerability, and psychological wounds, however they may struggle to be open with Saturn when it comes to these themes. They don't want Saturn to see their obsessiveness, their traumas, or their need to depend on others and be taken care of. They may try to come across as hyper-independent and unshakable when around Saturn.

Saturn in the 9H: 9th house person wants Saturn to approve of their beliefs, their moral values, their wisdom, etc. They want Saturn to respect and validate their ideals, and they may even hide certain beliefs if they feel they won't measure up to Saturn’s standards. They might try to appear more cultured, knowledgeable, and “worldly” when around Saturn. They don’t ever want to appear ignorant to the Saturn person. They feel challenged by Saturn to present their beliefs as flawlessly and carefully as possible.

Saturn in the 10H: 10th house person may want Saturn to approve of their status, achievements, and career. The 10th house person can look up to Saturn quite a bit with this overlay, wanting Saturn to recognize and validate all of their accomplishments, as well as their social standing. They may try to boast their popularity, or seem like they're of a higher status when the Saturn person is around. They don't ever want to be seen by Saturn as having a poor reputation, or as being not well liked. They want Saturn to respect their goals and ambitions.

Saturn in the 11H: 11th house person wants Saturn to approve of their individuality, their open-mindedness, their unique way of doing things, their friendships/community, as well as their more idealistic and visionary side. They want Saturn to validate all their hopes and dreams, but may feel the need to hide some of the more "unrealistic" or "silly" ones, out of fear that Saturn will be judgemental or unreceptive to them. They don't ever want Saturn to view them as close-minded, uninspired, or unremarkable. They can feel like Saturn views them as being out of touch with reality, and they may make a conscious effort to combat this by presenting their starry-eyed ideas through a more "realistic" or practical lens.

Saturn in the 12H: 12th house person wants Saturn to approve of their deeper, more unconscious and "unseen" side. However, they may feel the need to conceal the more hard-to-digest parts of their 12th house (self-undoing, mental health issues, addiction, loss, etc.) as they fear Saturn will judge or reject these aspects of their psyche. 12th house person may think that Saturn wouldn't quite “get” these issues, or they may just not want Saturn to see them at such a low point.

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There are no astrological placements that can make someone an ontologically evil or abusive person. Making assumptions about someone based on their star sign or natal chart is a shitty thing to do.