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fancyshooting · 2 months
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ten second dedication rip kaz
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fancyshooting · 5 months
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MGS3 NOVEL FAN TRANSLATION
@hylaversicolor @laezels and I have finished translating the mgs3 novelisation from japanese to english. the foreword explains everything you need to know about the process. please enjoy :D
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fancyshooting · 7 months
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ocelot's most memorable quote
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fancyshooting · 7 months
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one of the reasons kaz is drawn to big boss is literally just because he's american... young kaz struggled with accepting his japanese heritage and years later, must still have subconsciously associated the US with strength and triumph - bb defeating his unit in columbia and besting him at every challenge kaz set would've provoked his childhood insecurities about his japanese "weakness" and reminded him of the victorious american soldiers he admired when he was growing up in japan. kaz sought success and a sense of belonging when he travelled to the US to find his american father, which was exactly what he was trying to achieve with bb and msf
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fancyshooting · 7 months
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fancyshooting · 7 months
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sorry if you've sent me an ask recently but I probably won't be able to answer for a little while
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fancyshooting · 8 months
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I hope you didn't get too much hate, you express your opinion in a respectful and meaningful way and without homophobia (that I unfortunately saw too many times when people disagreed with m/m ships or theories). And you accept other people holding a different opinion, that's literally so rare online.
thank you so much!! <33 I always try to be mindful of what I'm writing. I never answer the asks from people who are obviously not interested in entertaining any line of thought but their own. it's totally pointless. I'm not looking to trade insults or argue and my followers probably didn't follow this blog for that either. this subject in particular is contentious and I suppose those who sent me critical messages are used to reading the same opinion from people who deny even the possibility of romance between two male characters, which is ridiculous and ignorant - especially in mgs, a series with explicitly gay, lesbian and bisexual characters
I tried my best to explain how I reached my conclusion and I hope it's clear that my reasons don't stem from hatred. I know it's an unpopular opinion to have on here but it's all part of the study of the ocelot.....
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fancyshooting · 8 months
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I got a few asks after my post explaining why I wasn't entirely convinced ocelot was canonically in love with bb. I'm not going to answer any of them. sorry. we'd be going round in circles and I don't want to drag this out or have it become a big THING. interpreting their relationship/ocelot's feelings as romantic is not without basis but it's not really how I see it anymore after reading so much about him, especially after learning that all of the japanese words for love used in relation to ocelot do not have exclusively romantic connotations and carry more nuance than eg. "fallen for him?" does in english. there are other examples of this from guidebooks/interviews, etc. that have come up while putting japanese text through online translators. in the mgs3 scenario book, the script note (all major ocelot script notes here) on ocelot's feelings after snake defeats his entire unit and lectures him on his technique is:
オセロットはこの時の強烈すぎる屈辱��スネークに惹かれる。
The initial result from deepl is:
"Ocelot is attracted to Snake because of the intense humiliation of this moment."
if the words "attracted to" were used in english, the implication would be pretty clear in this context - ocelot has a crush on bb. however, if you look up the japanese word used here - 惹かれる -the meaning is actually closer to charmed by/fascinated by/captivated by/drawn to - none of which are exclusively romantic. "attracted to" still technically fits but is a very literal translation. a more suitable choice would be one of the above because an english audience would commonly associate the phrase "attracted to" with romantic or sexual feelings
if ocelot could ever be described as having a crush, it would be in mgs3, when he first meets bb. in japanese, that type of passionate love would apparently be described as 恋 (koi). this is never used to describe ocelot but it is used to describe volgin and raikov, who are confirmed lovers:
大佐とイワン少佐は恋仲。
"Colonel and Major Ivan are in love."
恋仲 - being in love with each other
when ocelot is described as "longing for snake", the word for "longing" used is 憧れる, the main meaning of which relates to admiration. according to this page, it can also have romantic connotations but 焦がれる is more frequently used to express that
it seems a deliberate choice to make ocelot's feelings ambiguous by selecting words that convey a complex range of emotions rather than stating them to be outright romantic. the words used always have alternate meanings unrelated to romantic love, which is why I'm hesitant to acknowledge "ocelot is in love with bb" as solid concrete definite 100% canon, seeing as I'm incapable of understanding the nuance of japanese as a native english speaker. as far as I'm able to understand, it's up to individual interpretation imo
whether you believe ocelot's feelings for bb were romantic or not, we can still agree that everything he did for him was out of some form of love, that type being 愛 (ai) - the deep, unconditional love that might drive a person to dedicate their entire life to another and alter their mind and body to enact their will of eternal global warfare. aww <3
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fancyshooting · 8 months
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ocelot and love has been a topic I've wanted to write about for a long time. hope neither of you mind if I answer you both together. I want to make it very clear that the only reason for my scepticism is because we're talking about ocelot, my favourite character of all time in anything, ever. I feel like I dreamt him up sometimes. it does not come from a place of malice. I want to have the most thorough understanding of my fave and I don't want to misinterpret him. I also wouldn't show doubt without having a canonical basis for it. I'm only interested in what we are told in canon
it's undeniably true that the driving force of the series is ocelot's love for bb. you've given examples like the mgs4 kiss achievement literally saying the word "love" in japanese. since I've only ever been concerned with cold hard evidence like this, I used to believe ocelot was in love with bb, too. back when I first got into mgs, I was convinced that he was gay. shipping has never really appealed to me regardless of the series/characters but I actually liked bosselot. I used to read fanfic, something I don't usually do. I even wrote some of my own (that no one will ever ever ever be allowed to read). once I really started to think about ocelot, the way I saw their relationship/dynamic changed. my thoughts on that are probably clearest in the post I made about the westerns mentioned in mgs3, which is the first game we learn about the "true" ocelot, rather than the persona he adopts. we learn about his abduction as a baby, his oppressive upbringing, his connection to the boss and why bb is so important to him. obviously I've spent a tragic length of time writing about ocelot, so I'm no longer content to condense everything about his character into "he was in love with bb". I know this is a wildly unpopular opinion to have, especially on tumblr, but I'm only sharing it because I've been asked. I don't think ocelot being in love with bb is clear cut canon, like the anon before said. it is a matter of interpretation and I do not mean that to sound dismissive
there are multiple instances of the word "love" being used in relation to ocelot and bb. here's a list:
• the emblem for the "you're pretty good" trophy in mgs4 is "love" in japanese
• kojima describing the relationship between snake and ocelot as part of his commentary on mgs3:
「スネークとオセロットはひと目会ったときから、お互いに気になっているんです。純愛です」
"Snake and Ocelot have been interested in each other since the moment they first met. It's a pure love."
• this line after ocelot praises snake for surviving the colonel's torture in the novel (not strictly canon but kojima-approved):
「それは皮肉などではなく、本物の親愛の情動だった。」
"It was not sarcasm, but a genuine, affectionate sentiment."
• mgs3 leaked casting doc description of ocelot:
「常にしのがれることの畏怖に、オセロットはスネークを尊敬し深い愛情を抱くようになる。」
"In the awe of constant shunning, Ocelot comes to respect and develop a deep affection for Snake."
I've always been hesitant to share this because although I find it interesting, I do NOT understand japanese and I always make that clear when I post machine translated text. mgs is a japanese game series, originally written in japanese, so the connotations of certain phrases will be lost on non-native japanese speakers. there will be cultural references that we will not understand and nuances we are unable to comprehend. the explanations and translations I post here are inadequate and should never, ever be taken as fact. I rely on machine translation, online dictionaries and forums. this is based only on my own understanding after minimal research and I am ALWAYS happy to be corrected.
every one of the above examples uses one of a multitude of japanese words for "love": 愛 - pronounced "ai". translated directly, it does mean "love" in english and it can be used romantically. however, it's a term used to convey other forms of love too, many of which I believe are overlooked in favour of romantic love. this explanation is talking specifically about romantic love but the depth of feeling fits ocelot imo:
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there's also this from an article by journalist based in japan in which he briefly describes the same phrase kojima uses in the mgs3 commentary:
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those two examples were both romantic lol... but I'm using them because of the way they explain "ai" love as being all-consuming and selfless. it seems to be a charged word full of nuance and depth. this is the type of love mentioned in every example of ocelot being "in love" with bb. it's not an exclusively romantic word and changes meaning depending on context
"fallen for him?" and "in love with the legend" are not as simple in japanese as they appear in english either:
「伝説の英雄 に惚れ込んで いるだ。」
"She's in love with the legend"
「 惚れたのか?」
"Fallen for him?"
this is from the interview with kojima in mgs3: the countdown:
「スネークを追いかけるうちに、ほれこんで しまう。」
"As he chases after Snake, he falls in love with him. "
these examples all use variations of the word 「惚れ込む」, pronounced "horeru". direct translations to english give "to fall in love". the following screenshots are explanations from people who are japanese and/or based in japan, i.e. people far more qualified to explain this than I am:
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I'm well aware that this the most pedantic, joyless post but as I said, I want to have the fullest understanding of ocelot's character and this is part of that. for me, a lot of indecisiveness on the exact nature of ocelot's love for bb comes from reading about "horeru" in particular, especially since the above screenshot mentions allegiance to a boss. my thoughts on their relationship are all over this blog, so I'm not going to write more of the same here. imo there's not enough solid canonical evidence to entirely convince me that ocelot is romantically or sexually attracted to bb. there are lines or actions that can be interpreted as such but those have valid alternative explanations, too. his feelings are deep and nuanced and I don't think the english translation can convey them properly
thanks for the ask x2
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fancyshooting · 8 months
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fancyshooting · 8 months
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as far as ocelot’s love for bb goes, i think kojima was intentionally vague (as he is in all his work, this is his storytelling MO lol). kojima’s characters are often only fleshed out offscreen and thru shorthand (references to film usually) so it’s often REALLY hard to tease out kojima’s intentions in any particular scene. ultimately ocelot’s actions (sacrificing his literal entire life for bb including his personality and significant chunks of his time) speak way louder than a deliberately obfuscated line or a note in a script (as fun as those are to decipher). so to me both romantic and aromantic interpretations of the line are valid. all that is really clear is ocelot’s lifelong devotion to bb.
yeah I guess there's no definitive answer
no facts only interpretations...
ty for your balanced thoughts ^_^
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fancyshooting · 9 months
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idk probably bc he literally says it? "She's in love with the legend. I was the same way once." youre being deliberately obtuse if you don't accept that as the "proof" that's so important to you.
yeah you could interpret that romantically. the original japanese line even specifies "legend" as being in reference to a person and not a story myth fable etc. but there's something I read that makes me unsure. since I'm completely reliant on machine translation, I was hesitant to post about it. there are a lot of machine translated posts on my blog though so I guess it wouldn't be any more dubious than what I've already posted :|
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fancyshooting · 9 months
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Why did you ignore that ocelot was canonically in love with big boss and since Mgs3? Devotion, yes, admiration, yes but no mention of the motivation behind it all?
tbh I'm still not convinced that it's canon. if you want to see romance in their relationship, you can but equally, their relationship can be fully explained without that element. back when I first got into mgs, I thought ocelot had an unrequited love for bb, so it's not like I don't know where it comes from. now, I don't really see it as a romantic thing. his motivation is love but not in a romantic sense... imo... I think...
ty for the ask! :) I'm fully aware this is an unpopular opinion lol... I'd actually really like to hear from people who disagree. let's discuss our beloved ossinglot
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"YOU SEE THAT IN THE MOVIES?"
In the original release of MGS3, Para-Medic would talk about one of 39 different movies when the game was saved. Two of these were westerns. Copycat Ocelot models himself after the on-screen cowboys that appeared in the movies he was so obsessed with, emulating their shooting styles, dressing in Old West inspired outfits and at one point even adopting a stereotypical twang while speaking English. The concept of his character came about due to Kojima's love of Django (1966). His original design was inspired by the actor, Lee Van Cleef, renowned for his performance in the iconic "Dollars" trilogy. Being able to shoot his beret off during his boss battle in MGS3 is almost certainly a reference to a scene from For A Few Dollars More (1965). That same boss battle has tumbleweeds rolling, dust blowing and the option to engage in a standoff with him. He uses revolvers, engraved and otherwise. His gloves! His spurs! His horse! His moustache! "Draw"! There's so much about him that it doesn't need to be explained - Ocelot is THE cowboy character. The westerns Para-Medic mentions were no doubt chosen with him in mind.
1. A Fistful of Dollars (1964)
Para-Medic: "Snake, have you ever seen 'For a Fistful of Dollars'?"
Snake: "Nope, never."
Para-Medic: "It's a spaghetti western."
Snake: "Spaghetti western?"
Para-Medic "It's really cool. Especially the main character's stylish gunplay."
Snake: "Gunplay..."
Para-Medic: "I saw it in England on the major's recommendation, but it hasn't come out in the States yet. It's so cool! They'll bring it to America, I'm sure. You have to see it sometime."
Snake: "Sure."
This is the first movie in the Dollars trilogy (The third is The Good, The Bad and The Ugly, which is decidedly more popular but its inclusion would've been anachronistic as all the movies featured in MGS3 were released in or before the year 1964). Cultural significance is not the only reason for this selection. The protagonist, The Man With No Name - or "Joe" as he is referred to by the locals - is a drifter and skilled gunfighter who wanders into a small town dominated by two corrupt rival families. Without reciting the entire plot, Joe remains loyal only to himself and exploits both families in order to turn a profit. He assists, endangers and kills people of either allegiance. Making money isn't Ocelot's ultimate goal but he is, of course, infamous for his treachery, suspicious even to characters in the games. Joe is described as being uncomfortably intelligent for a hired grunt, much like Ocelot, whose preferred approach is to act as a simple stooge, feigning ignorance to his bosses, all the while observing and devising schemes to enact his secret plans.
In the end, Joe outsmarts and outlives the two families, having played a role in the downfall of them both. It's important to note that the town sheriff being a member of one of the families does not (in true cowboy fashion) sway Joe's decisions. Ocelot is similar in that he will not bow to authority simply because they wear a badge or have a title. Joe also seems to only trouble the people who "deserve it" - he sees the corrupt families as fair game, but shows no malice towards anyone else. In fact, he takes a risk and goes out of his way to reunite a captive woman with her family, which could be called noble. Ocelot considers himself noble (In MGSV, for example - "Assuming they see [Quiet] as a prisoner here, no, even more so if they do, she deserves to be treated humanely. I always thought our men were a bit more noble-minded".) and although he can be cruel, it seems to be reserved for those who, again, "deserve it", as in, they're already operating in a military environment. Every character Ocelot kills is either a war profiteer, a military operative or is corrupt in some way. In MGSV, he laments the effects of war on civilians and shares Big Boss' sentiment of, "You pick up a gun, and sooner or later you're going to hell". Ocelot describes the Venom Snake project as "a detour on [Venom's] journey to Hell". Venom is a man Ocelot must surely respect for protecting Big Boss but he still recognises him as a soldier. Not to say that Ocelot a good person but he is aware of the harm that he and those he encounters in the military and intelligence spheres inflict by engaging in direct combat and inciting violence through manipulation that results in prolonged conflict. He speaks mournfully about the cycle of vengeance that he and those like him feed into. Still, he finds it fulfilling because that's the life he was prepared for. For him, there is no alternative.
Anyway, Joe also uses a Colt .45 ("the greatest handgun ever made"), even against the main antagonist, who claims that a man with a rifle will always beat a man with a pistol. The antagonist's signature killing style is to aim for the heart, which is what Ocelot does in MGS2. There's also torture in this movie. And a cat.
2. The Magnificent Seven (1960)
Para-Medic: "Snake, have you seen 'The Magnificent Seven'?"
Snake: "Sorry."
Para-Medic: "It's a remake of the Japanese classic, 'The Seven Samurai', only in a western setting. This tiny Mexican village is attacked every year by bandits. Finally, the village elder can't stand it any longer and decides to hire someone to protect the village. Seven gunmen respond to the call. They teach the villagers how to shoot and prepare for the oncoming attack. But then, the enemy shows up at the village with a huge band."
Snake: "Then what happens?"
Para-Medic: "You'll just have to see it for yourself. I don't want to spoil it."
Snake: "...Oh."
Para-Medic: "Movies are only fun when you actually watch them. They're something you have to experience for yourself."
In this movie, the main character, Chris, rounds up six other gunfighters to help protect a farming village that is regularly ravaged by bandits. Major Ocelot is EXTREMELY reminiscent of Chico, the youngest of the seven. After witnessing Chris' impressive skills, Chico is amazed and becomes desperate to be recruited by Chris. As Chris searches for suitable candidates, Chico persists in following the growing gang around, even after becoming infuriated by what he perceives as a ridiculous, childish game (link to scene - the way he flounces off reminds me SO much of the scene where The Boss disassembles Ocelot's gun - "very young and very proud"!). Young Ocelot is just like Chico in that he is an inexperienced, volatile young man who is eager to impress someone he idolises. Snake and Chris both act as older role models who teach the rookies to temper their pride in order to become a better soldier/gunfighter.
This movie script excerpt shows Chico's youthful naivety, as well as the likely reason Ocelot is so fond of westerns:
Chico: "Villages like this, they make up a song about every big thing that happens. Sing them for years."
Chris Adams: "You think it's worth it?"
Chico: "Don't you?"
Chris Adams: "It's only a matter of knowing how to shoot a gun. Nothing big about that."
Chico: "Hey. How can you talk like this? Your gun has got you everything you have. Isn't that true? Hmm? Well, isn't that true?"
Vin: "Yeah, sure. Everything. After a while you can call bartenders and faro dealers by their first name - maybe two hundred of 'em! Rented rooms you live in - five hundred! Meals you eat in hash houses - a thousand! Home - none! Wife - none! Kids... none! Prospects - zero. Suppose I left anything out?"
Chris Adams: "Yeah. Places you're tied down to - none. People with a hold on you - none. Men you step aside for - none."
Lee: "Insults swallowed - none. Enemies - none."
Chris Adams: "No enemies?"
Lee: "Alive."
Chico: "Well. This is the kind of arithmetic I like."
Chris Adams: "Yeah. So did I at your age."
Here, Chico is primarily concerned with the glory of being a gunfighter, whereas the older men who have actually lived that life have a bleaker perspective. Young Ocelot also values his reputation, pridefully reminding the KGB soldiers at Rassvet: "That's Major Ocelot to you - and don't you forget it!"
The arrogance of youth puts Ocelot in danger more than once. Snake spares him after every encounter, explaining to EVA that Ocelot is "still young". Over the radio, Snake says that he doesn't think Ocelot is "any older than 18 or 19", which is younger than his actual age of 20. Snake is 29 in MGS3, whereas Ocelot has only been out of his teenage years for a few months. A nine-year gap at that age is massive in terms of maturity, which is why Snake assumes Ocelot is still just a teenager. In the MGS3 novel, it seems the devious aspect of Ocelot's character is toned down, with more of a focus on how immature he is instead. His youth is mentioned at every opportunity and his admiration for Snake surviving Volgin's torture is described as "naive". Like in the game, his emotions often get the better of him which could be seen as quite childish too, as could the way he looks for guidance and approval (checking his unit are laughing along with him, ditching the engraved revolver because Snake mocked it, etc.). One of his super cool and necessary gun juggling moments is even compared to a traditional Japanese children's game called "otedama" where beanbags are tossed and juggled - a literal child's game. Snake looks on Ocelot as The Boss looks on Snake: young, inexperienced and naive. This relationship connects Snake and Ocelot through The Boss: Ocelot is her biological son, Snake her spiritual son. The Boss was Snake's mentor, and he became Ocelot's.
These lines sum up the most likely reason for Ocelot's love of westerns:
"Places you're tied down to - none. People with a hold on you - none. Men you step aside for - none."
That kind of freedom is probably something that Ocelot, raised to be a tool by the Philosophers, has desired since a very young age. Watching westerns might have inspired some kind of hope that he could have that agency over his life one day, too.
There's also a scene where Chico infiltrates the enemy camp and returns with information, an act he later brags about. Ocelot is too cautious to brag about being a spy but he does have a high opinion of himself (on the surface). Chico makes a speech in the village, ringing a bell to demand everyone's attention, a grandiose display that matches Ocelot's cockiness and dramatic gestures. While alone in the woods, Chico encounters a docile bull and tries to play bullfighter with it ("Toro! Toro! Toro!" It doesn't respond.). He kisses his hand and places it on the bull, transferring the kiss indirectly as a symbol of his harmless intent. It's another example of the light-hearted playfulness that might be expected from a young person. Considering Ocelot's fondness for animals (particularly the markhor) and tendency to be playful, it's not difficult to imagine him acting in the same way.
3. Gunfight At The OK Corral (1957)
Para-Medic: "Hey, Snake. Ever seen Gunfight At The OK Corral?"
Snake: "No, I haven't."
Para-Medic: "It's a color western about a showdown between Wyatt Earp and the Clantons in Tombstone. I was touched by the friendship between Wyatt Earp, the lawman, and Doc Holliday, the man whose life he saved."
Snake: "Was it an American that Wyatt Earp had? I thought it might have been a Peacemaker."
Para-Medic: "What are you talking about?"
Snake: "Nothing. I was just thinking about the Single Action Army Ocelot-"
Para-Medic: "Snake. He's not Kirk Douglas."
Snake: "I know that."
This movie was only added to the 3DS version of MGS3 in 2012, so the main MGS story had already come to an end four years earlier in MGS4. Ocelot's life was over and his motivations were clear. As EVA says: he idolised Big Boss.
In this call, Para-Medic says to Snake, "[Ocelot's] not Kirk Douglas." Kirk Douglas plays Doc Holliday, making Snake Wyatt Earp. These are real-life historical figures but the following is solely based on the depictions of them in this movie.
Wyatt Earp is a virtuous lawman who crosses paths with crooked (but strangely refined) gambler, gunfighter and former dentist, Doc Holliday. Through circumstance and debt, they save each other's lives and develop a familiarity with other. Their friendship is unusual considering they operate on either side of the law. Similarly, Snake and Ocelot form a bond despite their opposing allegiances. Snake spares Ocelot's life multiple times and also saves him from falling debris during the motorcycle chase in MGS3. In the novel, Ocelot concludes that every instance of him and Snake evading death at each other's hands is fate. In the game, the only time Ocelot is "allowed" to shoot Snake is when his gun is loaded with a blank.
Doc becomes somewhat distracted by Earp, even to the point of arousing jealousy in his former brothel worker girlfriend. Both she and Doc are broadly considered to be socially undesirable. He tells her plainly that people like them "haven't mattered since the day [they] were born". Doc also expresses indifference when warned that he might be killed if he confronts another character (played by Lee Van Cleef!) who is hostile to him:
Bartender: "You act as if you want to get killed."
Doc Holliday: "Maybe I do."
He later tells Earp he would prefer to die in a gunfight rather than waste away "little by little".
Ocelot was always thrilled by combat. He refused to shuffle off and succumb to illness or allow old age to snuff him out. He found fulfilment in the brutal fistfight immediately before his death at age 70. It held great meaning for him to fight with an opponent he respected in the image of an aged Big Boss.
Like Doc Holliday, Ocelot holds himself in low regard, which is referenced in the MGS4 novel with the line about his "insignificant personality" and he certainly believes himself to be disposable given the damage he voluntarily inflicts on his mind. Ocelot does not value himself as an individual and instead lives his life devoted to Big Boss and his ideals.
Doc repeatedly refers to Earl as "preacher" which is again reminiscent of the relationship between Ocelot and Snake. Before Operation Snake Eater, Snake idolised his mentor, The Boss, who became elevated to something of a sacred figure after her death. Snake is The Boss' spiritual successor and acts as Ocelot's mentor. Ocelot respects and reveres him, and in MGSV, helps to further cement Big Boss as a battlefield legend, granting him an almost supernatural status akin to The Boss'. In the Japanese script for MGS3, Snake's initial advice to Ocelot is described as "preaching" and Para-Medic later calls it a "sermon".
Until that moment at Rassvet, Ocelot obeyed but likely didn't respect many people in his life. The Philosophers, who abducted him as a baby, raised him as a tool to carry out their orders. As a teenager, he is stationed at Groznyj Grad where his only role model is the sadistic Colonel Volgin, who rules his men with fear. Ocelot has never been allowed input into the direction of his life. He has never known his parents, never had stability and is obsessed with westerns, indicating that he longs for freedom. Snake encouraging him to use revolvers is hugely significant for Ocelot. Snake's advice to switch from modern standard gear to an outdated weapon is actually a recognition of Ocelot as an individual, something that he has likely never experienced. As a child of the Philosophers, he has been trained since birth to deceive and suppress his true emotions in order to make him a more effective spy. The revolver suits Ocelot's style and brings him genuine fulfilment, even though it's tactically obsolete. He was already wearing spurs at Rassvet and was able to procure at least three revolvers within a week. If he was interested in westerns and had easy access to revolvers, the fact that he wasn't suggests that he was suppressing part of his individuality. Ocelot looks up to Snake as a guiding figure after this.
Eventually, Doc falls deathly ill and becomes bedbound. Miserable in his weakened state, he learns that Earp's brother has been killed. On the day of the fight, he becomes invigorated and by sheer force of will, sets out to join Earp and his other brothers in avenging their sibling. He says, "If I'm going to die, at least let me die with the only friend I ever had."
Ocelot constantly risked his life for Big Boss and eventually died for him after the distinct impact of his words in 1964. He pushed the young Ocelot towards true freedom and helped him shape what little personal identity he had. He irreversibly changed the course of his life. No other person or organisation could ever do what Big Boss did for Ocelot and so were undeserving of his loyalty. Doc fighting alongside the Earp brothers is indicative of his relationship with Wyatt being so strong that it approaches the familal. Ocelot is first introduced in MGS1 as one of the "Sons of Big Boss" and then, after grafting Liquid Snake's forearm onto his elbow, can be partially described as a literal "son", which is explained in the MGS4 novel:
"He had been born an ocelot but was now—even if only in fiction—a snake. That might have been what he had always desired—to be the son of the warrior whom he respected more than anyone else."
The dynamic between Wyatt Earp and Doc Holliday is similar to Snake and Ocelot in that their friendship is unexpected, strong and has elements of admiration and devotion. Earp is dedicated to his duty and inspires a loyalty in the notoriously devious Doc after displaying genuine decency and treating him fairly despite his reputation, a decision criticised by other characters. Snake plays a similar role for Ocelot throughout MGS3, where he consistently shows strength of character, skill and devotion to duty, even in extreme circumstances. Snake is also able to see past any prejudice he might be expected to have towards Ocelot as an enemy operative and reaches him on a personal level. Their budding friendship, like Wyatt Earp and Doc Holliday's, is questioned by their respective associates and colleagues.
Doc's character shares multiple traits with the many iterations of Ocelot as he appears across the series: he is refined, duplicitous, cynical, a loner and a remarkable gunfighter. Wyatt Earp also says this to him:
"I hear you did some pretty fancy shooting, Doc."
The influence of all three westerns mentioned in MGS3 on Ocelot's character is clear: A Fistful of Dollars typified the shrewd cunning he is known for; The Magnificent Seven demonstrated his youthful pride and idolisation; and Gunfight At The OK Corral evoked the strong friendship and devotion that defined his life.
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my disgusting twitchy offcolour dead arm drew these
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my eva playlist. some songs are silly some are not but they all make me think about her. tracklist and reasons down there vvv
hi eva fans!! these explanations aren't deep or anything, just little notes... the most vague, redundant notes. notice how they get shorter and shorter because if you listen to the songs and read the lyrics with eva in mind it'll make sense as to why they're on there. the songs aren't in any kind of order btw
I Like 'Em Big and Stupid - Julie Brown
off to a great start. looks like this was the song that made me create an eva playlist. sorry big boss. eva loves when her targets are big n stupid. makes it easy for her
Love and Affection - Joan Armatrading
see they're not all silly!!
"not in love" = spy with no true allegiance. "east or west" omg cold war. eva looking for a genuine connection/something to believe in
She's Always a Woman - Billy Joel
mercurial, manipulative women. "garden of eden"!! bb seeing her as a woman and not as a tool
Hips, Tits, Lips, Power! - Pigface
knows her strengths. using her body to get what she wants. says "china" in it
Evil Woman - Electric Light Orchestra
stealing what she thought was the philosopher's legacy then suffering the consequences. "open road" = motorcycle. can sound like "eva woman" if you make it
On A Mission - Gabriella Cilmi
you go girl 💖 impossible to hear and not think about eva. "foot on gas, key in ignition"
I Know What Boys Like - The Waitresses
eva being a very well trained charm agent
Bad Habit - The Offspring
ROAD RAGE
A Girl Like You - Edwyn Collins
seductive sounding song. eva is special to everyone she targets. the "devil/god" bit idk big boss or something
TheWhisperers - The The
eva despondent reflection moment. backstabbing. whispers = rumours to follow/intel
Chinese Spy - The Tremelo Beer Gut
too complex to explain
I Can't Believe You Would Fall for All the Crap in This Song - Sparks
stringing targets along and feeling superior about it
(You Make Me Feel Like) A Natural Woman - Aretha Franklin
disillusioned with spy life but then being seen by bb yay. more than a body
Seventeen - Ladytron
disposable. cycling through young charm agents. that likely insidious comment she makes if you interrogate her: "and then... when I was seventeen...!"
Not My Idea - Garbage
controlled, no agency and the despair that comes with it
Bitch - Meredith Brooks
that bitch was wearing perfume. multifaceted, many faces. hard to know after years of suppressing true self. BITCH! BITCH! BITCH ...BITCH!
Big Log - Robert Plant
more emptiness. driving metaphor
She's Not There - The Zombies
lying, causing harm. physically vanishes after snake eater but also "not there" as in empty spy
Femme Fatale - Velvet Underground, Nico
charm agent life 💋
Sexbomb - Tom Jones, Mousse T.
sexy spy song idk. is eva not a sexbomb?
Pet Body - Miya Folick
detachment from body because of her job. violent lines = nature of her work. "I'm just a sack of flesh", "I'm a delicate piece of equipment"
Don't Believe a Word - Thin Lizzy
leading targets on and lying about her feelings
Lorraine - Bad Manners
eva wronging bb/target. spy backstabbing and violence
Spy of Love - INXS
tricks and tracking. eva does all that
Left Outside Alone - Anastacia
idk why this reminds me of eva. distance between her and bb? any religious references in lyrics are always about bb. that's the mgs playlist rule
THE END!! HAPPY LISTENING AND THINKING ABOUT EVA 🎶 🍎
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I have heard that dedovshchina of the past was, while very bad, apparently not near the severity it has become in the past decades, so combined with his status i want to believe the most ocelot ever got was getting called "pussy cat" a la cheesy 50s leather jacket style. they meant to tease and he was mad about the teasing but secretly he was pleased about it still being a cat related insult
this I can accept
every soldier at groznyj grad is frightened of volgin, so I don't think they'd risk harming ocelot. if the dismissive way the kgb guy at rassvet addresses him is any indication of how he is generally treated, he's seen as nothing more than a bit of a nuisance, not someone you want to beat up or anything - more like someone you roll your eyes at when they insist you watch them perform yet another gun trick that looks identical to the last
aside from snake, we only ever see him torment tatyana and sokolov, who are both ostensibly weak characters and a spy and traitor respectively, so although he already has sadistic tendencies, he reserves acting on them for those who "deserve it" and by that I mean he's not going around punching random friendly soldiers raikov style. that might actually help his reputation
there might naturally be some resentment over the special treatment he receives but he always has the ocelot unit around him and they're extremely protective so cat and cowboy jibes are all that reach him :)
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