There are Jews who have European backgrounds and *some* of them have benefited from eurocentrism or being white passing, but in moments of crisis or need the social tides that create white privilege have never seen Jewish people as part of that group. Whiteness is a social category which has changed with time and attitudes and, at least for now, it has never and still doesn't include Jewish people.
Continuing to use the term "white Jews" is ignorant at best and harmful at worst. Even converts once converted are othered and can no longer rely on any previous white background to save them if they are identified as Jewish.
Dumb question maybe but i gotta ask. I saw a girl post about being born to a Jewish family, fully ashkenazi, and converting to Christianity later on. What does that make her? Is she still considered Jewish?
Girl you can't convert your ethnicity away....religiously she would be whatever she converted to, ethnically she's still jewish...if a Japanese person converts to Christianity he doesn't magically turn mayo colored and his facial features don't mutate...
Are you living in the US?
It feels like there is a cultural divider here.
Here in (Eastern) Europe we have (and had) people who are proud to be nazis and proud to hate Jews, so all those people who (like that protester) say things that could mean something else as well, may feel more like a different group.
Nazis were never shy about their opinion about Jews, even though "Final Solution" was not their original plan.
If your Holocaust-survivor grandparents are still alive, It would be interesting to hear their opinion.
Yes, I am an American. I guess there can be a cultural divide.
But in my honest opinion, I feel like itโs more of an experience divide.
Since I grew up with Holocaust survivors as grandparents, (who both have sadly passed away), I grew up exposed to the Holocaust really young. Now obviously I donโt know what the experience of an Eastern European is learning the Holocaust, but usually when Jewish kids learn about it, with survivors in the family or not, it becomes very ingrained in us.
This may sound weird, and Iโm fully aware that it is, but I feel like Iโm protective over the Holocaust. Due to my grandparents experience, I never want something similar to happen to Jews again, and I donโt want people to use terms from it, wether they truly mean it or not. ๏ฟผ
Now granted I donโt have as much experience with right wing Nazis, as my parents or grandparents do, but living near a lot of pro-Palestinian protests, I see a lot of Nazi sentiment in them.
I mean, honestly half of the time, I donโt think they actually mean to spew Nazi propaganda and rhetoric, but it still harms people. ๏ฟผ
The person who took the Final Solution sign to the protest probably didnโt mean it against the Jews, but the phrase still has meaning to it to us, and like stated in my first reblog, it still is antisemitic because of Holocaust inversion.
Which is a special type of antisemitism that tries to take the Holocaust away from the Jews, and as disturbing as it sounds, the Holocaust is an integral part of Jewish history, and it canโt be taken away from us.
Like mentioned above, I donโt have much experience with right wing antisemitism as other members of my family do, but many pro-Palestinians arenโt shy about their opinions about โZionistsโ which are often just antisemitic rhetoric.
Such as โdeath to all Zionist,โ โgo back to Europe,โ so yes, Pro-Palestinians arenโt as open about their opinions about Jews as Nazis, but end just being antisemitic.
Now of course not every pro-Palestinian is antisemitic, but their movement is filled with it.
Also as I stated earlier, I canโt get my grandparents opinion because both of sadly passed away.
I don't want to reblog that post again, so I try it here.
Final solution means - yeah, killing everyone, a genocide.
Yes, Nazis used it, but as the Holocaust is now used in a more general term (e.g. "Cannibal Holocaust") I still wouldn't be that sure that the sign on that photo is a call to action to kill all Jews not an accusation of Israelis.
Seems a bit weird to me that so many people are that eager to find genocidal Nazi messages :(
PS Feel free to message me, I couldn't since you restricted the option B/C you don't follow me.
I am a Holocaust studies major and the granddaughter of survivors, I know what I am talking about, even if I come off angry.
Final solution is a Nazi phrase that cannot be reused. Simple.
Final solution has always meant death to all Jews as a way to solve all problems.
Even if these people mean it in a different light, it still has its original meaning.
Pro-Palestinians use the word Holocaust all the time, doesnโt mean it loses its original meaning.
Also fuck using Holocaust as a general term. Itโs antisemitic and downright offensive. (I am against things like Cannibal Holocaust, or other things taking the Holocaust in vain.)
The Holocaust was one of the worse Jewish genocide ever, it is not a general term meaning just genocide. It has meaning and definition, like final solution.
These are not just phrases pro-pails can throw around without being criticized, and without being seen as antisemitic.
I will never ever let anyone reclaim final solution, because number one, itโs not thereโs to reclaim, and number two, it can never lose itโs original meaning.
Besides I donโt look for Nazis everywhere, they just happen to be everywhere.
Hey, @hack-saw2004, why does yelling equal aggression when ((Zionists)) do it?
But when pro-pails yell go back to poland, itโs advocating?
Seems double standardly.
ONE HOUR AGO: the zionist protesters at the gates of columbia are actually being aggressive bigots after a week and some change of accusing student protesters of that very thing.