#y’all are calling the wrong person a hypocrite 💀

[touyubesposts]

This is gonna be about the Mr. Beast Jacksepticeye stuff, if you’re uninterested, just scroll :)

Am I the only one that feels like people are missing the point of Jack’s statement? He said “I don’t like that Mr. Beast makes his entire personality about money” and everyone went “As If YoU dOn’T mAkE mOnEy.” Like, that's not the point. Do I think he was being over dramatic when he said Mr. Beast ruined YouTube? Yes, absolutely. But do I think he had really valid points that people are ignoring? Yes, absolutely.

He wasn’t saying “Making money on YouTube is bad,” he was saying “making your entire personality about money on YouTube is bad” because it perpetuates flex culture that was already bad. Mr. Beast uses charity and things with a hefty price tag for content. Jack doesn’t. Jack has done charity live streams to help feed people and help kids with cancer, yes. But he doesn’t flex it like Mr. Beast does. That's the point he’s getting at.

Also, Mr. Beast claims that he hasn’t bought anything lavish (Specifically a Mansion and sports cars) and only makes content to encourage people in need.

Looking at the videos he makes below (all his most recent,) what about them encourages me to help people and not blow my money on stuff?

For someone who doesn’t buy lavish things, those all seem really expensive, right? Just saying 🤷

#jacksepticeye #mr. beast #mr beast #sean mcloughlin #jimmy donaldson #y’all are calling the wrong person a hypocrite 💀

[rivetgoth]

what do you think of cursedindustrialconfessions on instagram? and other fandom style confession accounts?

personally i don't find much issue with the accounts themselves but some of the comments and confessions are truly cursed 💀

Been sitting on this ask since I woke up trying to figure out why it doesn’t sit right but yk, here— I don’t have any interest in name dropping specific accounts or pages and talking shit on them (OR conversely praising accounts who I think are the "right" kind of fan). I obviously vagued a few specific instances I’ve seen of behavior I found inappropriate from online “industrial fans” in the original post I made but even then kept usernames out of it and even then I was trying to emphasize that all of these are examples of a larger problem, not that One Particular Guy is the harbinger of inappropriate industrial fan behavior lol. I already shared the bulk of my thoughts about “fandomizing” real life musicians and real life music subcultures/communities and my distaste for it, but ultimately every single topic (especially things that are ultimately not life threatening and I’d even go as far as to call a First World Problem) is going to have plenty of nuance and grey area and I think it’s counterproductive and even hypocritical personally for me to start making lists of the Good and Bad industrial fans/pages. That just as much goes against my view of the industrial scene as a community as the stuff I was bitching about to begin with.

I’m honestly a little nervous about the post I made getting a decent amount of notes to begin with because it’s not like I was trying to write the absolute manifesto on Correct or Moral fan behavior, though I think sometimes my posts are mistaken for such because I write a lot and very passionately (sorry), I was just complaining about trends I’ve seen in online industrial music spaces that feel disrespectful or rub me the wrong way, and ultimately was just trying to strongly emphasize that this subculture is an incredibly important real life community for me full of people I absolutely adore and I don’t like seeing the music or the people who make it fandomized or treated like weird quirky characters, with their experiences and traumas not taken seriously. Obviously there is a grey area to any of it, and ultimately I think stuff like memes or jokes about these guys, fan creations ranging from DIY’d clothing to fan art to fan edits to cosplay to whatever else, and even expressing sexual attraction towards them is generally harmless and normal when it’s done respectfully and thoughtfully, keeping in mind these are real people with real traumas, who are not that famous, who can and do look themselves up online and see what’s going on, or have friends who do and then send it to them. Like, I was planning to make that post BEFORE Ogre spoke up about how he was reading comments online about people complaining about the show not being as bloody as prior ones and how it upset him because the older shows were an expression of authentic pain and suffering and even literal self harm and this new show was an intentional movement towards something new and the fact that he’s in a better place in life now… He said that because he saw firsthand what people were saying about him online!

So idk man. But ultimately if you really really want my thoughts? I think any time something is described as “fandom style” in the context of real people or an active real life music subculture all of my hair bristles like a scared animal and my fight or flight response kicks in lol. And I ultimately think that y’all are gonna have to decide for yourselves what you’re okay with rather than ask me, because Lord knows I am not the keeper of all that is objectively right and true. I think some of MY opinions for what is or isn’t okay might actually be more extreme than others (like I said in my previous post—I’m much more neutral on RPF than many I’ve seen, which I think is a controversial take? I just think like anything else there is lots of nuance in that conversation. Idk.), I just encourage anyone calling themselves an industrial fan or viewing it as a fandom to try dipping their toes into an IRL alt music scene and start talking more to old timers and going to shows and clubs and making friends and connections that way with other people who are devoting parts of their life to actively engaging with the community surrounding this music face to face because I think it can very quickly change your perspective for the better and kinda demystify some of the more fandom-y mindsets that these guys are larger than life caricatures to be memed on the same way you would talk about like, Herbert West or Will Graham or whatever.

[charleslebatman]

As I said calling pr is weird but not really hate but if you go on twitter you can see the hate I’m talking about then again yes she liked those things I am not denying that but it’s just hypocritical to holding it against her when y’all don’t do the same to some drivers me personally I believe people can change (drivers and wags) so I am not being hypocritical right now

I talked about this once. About how fans could deal with the opinions and ethics of their favorite drivers or even celebrities. I used to say this about Charles, for example.

When he unsubscribed from that Palestinian account, I said how disappointed I was, that as a fan I had a hard time. Afterwards, we came up with some valid explanations. But I added that a driver or even a celebrity who started out young, you see him evolve over the years. You can never say, I know him. It's wrong, entirely and fanatically so. 💀

But, we see his public personality evolve, his communication, how he evolves his image. So it's normal that we'll be more inclined to, if we want to close our eyes. Or say it bothers, but we move on, because above all he's the one in the car and has the talent and we're fans for that first.

Girlfriends are external, and even more so when it's clear that she's not the woman of their life. And they're usually just there for a while. They demonstrate a media personality through another person, with nothing around them. It's not about her but they’re like trying to give this impression, to at the end say wait I’m here too.

So I don't see why, as a fan interested in gossip, I should turn a blind eye to their opinions or behavior. I'm not a fan of them. Any of them. Even Lily. 😂 I like some of them but that's about it.

It can even work for drivers, really. I adored Lando and after his bizarre comments about sexual assault, during the 2019 Austrian Gp. I really cancelled him. But I didn’t saw enough his evolution on the contrary of Charles, to say wait it wasn’t like that it was too much for me. However, with two years I’m seeing how he’s trying to take all more chill out and less pressure.

Anyways, at the end, in the F1 world a driver will never be canceling as much as a gf. Because it’s him who has the career and it’s the team and all this system who decide not so much us. In real. On the contrary, of the gf drivers which Alexandra has clearly understood.