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okay you know what here comes nothing…

steve's character NEVER made sense to me and never will.

first in the avengers movie: who the hell out him in charge when he's the least qualified after bruce. like clint has had like 20 years of experience in shield and nat has had at least like 15 years of grueling training in the red room and then like 5 years in shield okay? so these two know how to lead a team and how to act on a battlefield and come out victorious. next we have tony who has been iron man for 2 years and he has fought terrorists and maniacs all around. and then we have thor who has HUNDREDS of years of war experience. steve on the other hand has like a year of war experience. so i don't get why HE is the leader and the one calling the shots in the avengers when you have three people WAY more qualified than him.

then in catws i just do not get how he just simply recruits people to join him in his suicide mission like… if sam had a couple additional working brain cells and wasn't fanboying hard, he would not have joined him. and listen there is loyalty to friends and then there is steve who multiplied it by four hundred thousands which leads us to the shitshow called

cacw… like where do i start. did steve have a point in opposing the accords about not wanting to be on a leash, yeah he did. but instead of keeping him emotions in check and talking it out he instead worked on splitting the team up and beat up the ones who don't agree with him. i know tony is not an angel and he made mistakes but the accords were gonna happen whether they liked it or not and if the team stayed together then they can show up as a united front and demand changes in the accords. but once again steve saw bucky and he couldn't see anything or anyone anymore no matter who he hurts in the process.

so half the avengers ended up in jail and wanda treated like an animal. like even if bucky got arrested, if he had been honest with the team and especially tony, you want me to believe that they wouldn't have all helped him get bucky out. so that's why agree mostly with nat's take on the events and when she emphasized the necessity of the team staying together.

and then he goes out calling the shots in aif like he's the man in charge, and his biggest mistake is always counting on luck to solve his problems… he always has this stupid optimism that everything is gonna work out simply because he is captain america like that is supposed to erase all his failures and flaws and mistakes.

and last but not least you cannot convince me that steve went back in time KNOWING that bucky was being TORTURED and BRAINWASHED and turned into a mindless soldier by hydra and steve sat around looking pretty for peggy who he couldn't have known that well to fall this hard for. like he let all the awful things happen around him and he just watched from the sidelines eating popcorn when throughout all the movies he is shown as that self righteous hero who would not let anything slighty bad happen on his watch.

honestly i can go on and on roasting every single one of the characters in the mcu except most the women cause women are always right but i'll just stop here :)

so after my rant the important question is… where the hell is my tshirt??!

Okay, so this is gonna be like an essay to match yours, so get ready for that under the cut lol

The first point: You are so right about that and I've never thought about it that way before.

Thor, Clint, Nat, and Tony have the most experience and qualifications out of all of The Avengers to run/be the leader of a team like that.

While Steve has maybe a single year of out of date war strategies and experience.

Now, don't get me wrong, I love Tony, but at that point in his life (during the first Avengers movie) he was not yet ready (be that bot experience and some forms of maturity) to run The Avengers.

Same goes for Thor, as we were shown in his movies.

He's not a King/a leader, even if he is worthy to be one. He is a fighter. So that's him out of the running.

So, that just leaves the logical option of Clint and Natasha sharing the position.

But no. It had to be Steve. Why?

Because of his over-glorified title of 'Captain America'.

That's the only reason.

Now, on to your second point. I honestly don't have a problem with him recruiting more people to take down H.Y.D.R.A. controlled S.H.I.E.L.D..

But! What I do have an issue with in that movie, is Steve thinking that he needed to know everything that happens in S.H.I.E.L.D., even when it's above his clearance level.

His reasoning?

He's Captain America, so he has to know this stuff.

I couldn't agree more with your points on Civil War.

The Accords are flawed at best.

But they could have kept a level head, stayed together, got the best lawyers and have all the human rights violations removed from the Accords. While still doing what's right by the civilians.

But no.

Steve wanted his way or the highway.

And the thing is, I honestly don't think he understood that the bad things of the Accords could have been changed and/or scrapped entirely. Because that's how laws and stuff work. That you can fight to have them changed, the right way. And not be on the run to do it. Especially in more modern times.

But, let's be entirely honest here, he wouldn't know as deeply as the rest of us.

He went under the ice in WWII.

He never lived through most of the Civil Rights Movement's (be that the Civil Rights for black people, the LGBTQ+, the disabled, for mental health etc..), nor did he grow up with the knowledge, and the change of the world after they had happened.

He only found out about them once he had gotten out of the ice. When they were all very much still happening back in the Mid '40s.

So, that only leads me to believe that he doesn't get the full extent, or the full sense, of how fighting the legal system can work.

But yeah, you're also right, he did just get tunnel vision when it came to Bucky (once again) and thought, "fuck all my other friends and people who care for me, they're not my Bucky!"

Also, side note, I hate it when people demonize Tony and his team for fighting Team Cap when they were the ones pulling their punches the whole time and Team Cap were in it for the kill if needed (sans Clint to Natasha).

And people rag on at Tony for bringing Peter into the fight (when they didn't even want or intend for it to be a fight), because he was a minor.

While yeah, I get that, having a teenager there wasn't the best decision. But at the same time, he was meant to just be there to "web them up" if anything started to stop them from fighting them, and not to get into the actual thick of things.

Granted, that didn't happen.

But hardly anyone talks about the fact that Steve could tell that Peter was a kid, and still threw a like four tone container crate on him, then walked away when he was buckling under the weight.

If Steve would have had a sit-down and a long talk with Tony about Bucky, his brainwashing, and what happened to his parents, in a controlled environment, I guarantee you Tony would have been fucking pissed beyond belief, but he would not have snapped the way he did when he actually found out about it and in that way.

So, all in all, yeah.

Nat was right.

Yet another reason that she should have been the leader of The Avengers from the start, and not Steve.

Honestly, Steve going back to be with Peggy is one of the most stupid things he (and the MCU) has ever done.

He kissed her once, started to and pretty much did get over her, buried her, kissed her niece, then went back to her.

In what fucking universe does that make sense??

Not to mention all of the bullshit he pulled for bucky, just to leave him in an unfamiliar world, because lbh, he's not fully used to it either, basically alone (like Steve was) to go back to Peggy, while Bucky was getting tortured at that time.

This is what makes me believe that wasn't really him.

Oh yeah, most of the characters, minus most of the women, are 100% flawed and can be problematic.

Like, I love Tony, but he's not perfect (when truly nobody is). But I still love him, bc he has a personality and some of, if not the best growth out of all the guys.

So, T-shirt, jacket, hat! Whatever you want!

Welcome to the club!

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