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verycharismaticdragon · 1 year

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Okay, continuing this thought, I pulled up the quotes I wanted, I checked back with the original text (or, well, older version of original text), let's see.

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First, ch.1, p.9 (eng.edition), Shen Yuan describes himself as a "veteran reader of this novel". I double-checked with Chinese, and yes he specifies this novel. So it's not related to his "Expert" status on the forum mentioned in the Airplane extras (that seems to be a general webnovel-discussion forum, not a PIDW-related forum).

This does not really prove anything either way (maybe he considers anyone who made it to the end at all a veteran of PIDW), but I'm putting it into the evidence pile for later.

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Then, on to the main point from yesterday, Shen Yuan's death:

ch.1, p.12 (eng.edition)

the bit that seems most relevant is: "would find himself persevering before his untimely death to finish a novel [...]"

Now, this has some implications I haven't even considered: the use of "persevering" implies some kind of effort. You could possibly even read this as 'Shen Yuan has been dying before he finished PIDW, and was holding on to see it finished', like some sort of prolonged illness situation. Buuut I've decided not to jump to conclusions before checking with CN text. (Well, once again, older edition of it, but from what I'm seeing, this fragment shouldn't have been edited.)

So, here's the full phrase with the relevant fragment highlighted:

想他一个规规矩矩花钱买V看正版的大好青年，临终之前坚持看完的居然是这样一本种马程度令人发指咋舌的骗钱注水文，他能不骂吗？

Let's break the fragment down further:

临终 línzhōng: approaching one's end; immediately before one's death; on one's deathbed

之前 zhīqián: before; prior to

坚持 jiānchí: persist in; persevere in; insist on; be bent on; cling to; hold on to; hang on

看完 kànwán: to finish reading/watching.

Okay, I know we're seeing "immediately before one's death" and "persevere to finish reading" and it kinda supports the previous theory, but let's not get too excited. Because here's the thing: in all of the usage examples of 临终 línzhōng I've seen, it was not used together with 之前 zhīqián (before, prior to). Probably because 临 lín part already has a meaning of "just before; approaching; about to" included in it (it can also be translated as "to face" for example, making "to face death" or "to face the end" other valid translations of 临终, but the meaning of "just before" is still included in the concept).

So, wtf is 之前 zhīqián, another "before", there for? From what I see in the usage examples, unlike 临 lín which implies immediate before-ness, 之前 zhīqián is about a more removed event. In fact, it seems to strongly imply that the speaker is referencing two points in time that do not overlap. (I mean, correct me if you're fluent and I'm wrong, but that's what I'm seeing in literally all examples.)

Thus, in our sentence, we have two separate events, only held together by referencing the order in which they occur: 临终 línzhōng "to face the end" (I've decided to use this tl for conciseness), and 坚持看完 jiānchí kànwán "persevere to finish reading" (or "be bent on finishing", or "insist on finishing"...) So, "[...] before facing the end, [he] persevered in finishing reading [...]".

And if we take these two events/actions as separate, there is in fact logic in putting them together like this. The previous sentence talks about Shen Yuan's "dying breath", so "before facing death" is a transition from that part. Then, the "persevered in finishing" part is expounded on in the next few paragraphs, which talk about SY finishing the novel despite all his gripes. In other words, this is a transition sentence between SY dying (later event) and the gripes he had with PIDW (formulated before dying, so earlier event).

All this is to say: I think ultimately this sentence does not actually state for fact that Shen Yuan died immediately after finishing PIDW. All it says is that he finished reading at some point before dying - which, uh, obviously - but the lack of concrete proof of him dying immediately is information too.

(cont. under cut)

Then, to the other bit I mentioned yesterday, about the 20 days binge-read:

ch.1, p.38-39 (eng.edition)

Here I'm going to look at the "He'd spent twenty days binging the novel from start to finish, [...]" bit in particular.

The paragraph above, excerpt in question highlighted (ch.4 of webnovel version):

可这不能怪他记得不清楚。你让一个骂傻逼作者傻逼文的人，去记连载了四年、时间线横跨两百年的小说最开头的古早内容？他可是看了二十天才看完的，入门那一段为虐而虐的苦情戏码早忘光了好吗！

Okay, it's a bit longer, but not as scary as it looks:

他 tā: he (as in pronoun)

可是 kěshì: indeed, in fact, or just an emphasis word (can also mean "however" or "but", but that doesn't seem to fit with the sentence)

看了 kànle: had read (to quote my dictionary, most of the time 了 is translated by a past tense, but it can also indicate that one action is completed before another)

二十天 èrshí tiān: 20 days

才 cái: only, just, only after, only then

看完 kànwán: finish reading (same as before, yeah)

的 de: (has many usages but in this case most likely) used at the end of a declarative sentence for emphasis (SY's narration in general uses a lot of emphases and filler words, very informal/colloquial style. just a note)

Without making it sound like human sentence, and omitting emphases, we get something like: "He had read for 20 days, only then finished reading, [...]"

So, yes, 20 days binge real. But what I wanted to see most was if there's an indication whether this is about the whole novel up to the finale, or just catching up to the ongoning series. "Start to finish" in the translation seems to lean towards the former, but I don't think Chinese is that specific.

To break it down, 看完 kànwán consists of 看 kàn, which in this case means "to read" and 完 wán - generally 'to finish, to end, to complete', but in this case most likely just 'used after a verb to indicate action completion'. In other words, 完 wán here specifically modifies the prior verb into its "finished [verb]ing" form. And while it does have an implication of completeness, this completeness refers to the action (reading) rather than the object acted upon (novel) (which is straight up ommitted from this sentence, actually. that's Chinese for ya).

So, here as well: the text doesn't really specify beyond the shadow of doubt whether Shen Yuan was binging the finished novel, or just everything that was out when he first got into it. (Probably because the paragraph in question is talking about very early chapters, that - in either case - SY likely went through on day 1 of his binge.) Which means that ultimately, the fact of that 20-day binge does not conflict with anything implying he has been following the novel for some time. (Once again, I haven't finished my reread so I don't recall what and where SQQ says about it, but I've recently checked Airplane extras for something and he mentions Peerless Cucumber's "subscribtion payments and demands for updates".)

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Okay, so this is what I have from earliest chapters. Maybe this post will get a part 2 once I make progress on my reread, but nevermind that. Anyw, tl;dr:

SY considers himself a "veteran reader" of PIDW.

There's no solid proof that SY died immediately after reading PIDW's finale.

There's no solid proof SY's 20-day binge encompassed the whole novel from first to final chapter.

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Also: thank you to everyone who replied yesterday! There are some points I wanna answer individually, but one was mentioned a couple of times, so: yeah, I also think that the new chapter Airplane is penning before he dies is supposed to be an extra. Buuuuut I also may or may not have played with the idea of sv!cucumber and sv!airplane actually being from two different versions of 'modern world' before... so let's put this under "further investigation needed" for now.

#svsss #scum villain's self saving system #scum villain's self-saving system #shen yuan #shen qingqiu #svsss meta #danmei novels

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ikuzeminna · 3 months

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Hi! How did you learn to read Japanese? If I'm not wrong that you do, is the Japanese depiction of the GW characters' personalities different from their Western depictions?

Hey! Learning how to read Japanese is definitely an adventure in and of itself. For me, I had learned how to read and write hiragana and katakana from the Yoshida Institute’s site long before smartphones existed, along with a few kanji. I would use hiragana for my cheat sheets at school. (Yes, I learned a whole different alphabet just to cheat at history and geography instead of simply studying for my exams like a sensible person, even though I realized it was way more effort. I'm not exactly smart.) I started learning kanji properly years later with the kanji learning app Japanese Kanji Study, which I can't recommend enough, then took a brief language course and then accidentally ended up studying Japanese in college for 1.5 years, which is where I learned all my beginner's grammar (みんなの日本語 anyone?) and, as is totally apt for a beginner, hentaigana.

It’s funny when you can't string five sentences together without issue, but can make out Nobunaga's scribbling, something many natives are incapable of. Great, balanced education you thought up there, folks.

At least I got a laugh out of one Ranma ½ episode where Ranma found Kuno’s journal entry and couldn’t read it because of course that doofus would write it in the most archaic manner possible.

Anyway, as far as reading aids go, I’m just gonna plug everything I’ve used over the years for anyone interested. The Firefox extension 10ten reader has been a lifesaver, as has been Jisho. When it comes to comprehension, Google translate is dog crap. I’d recommend Papago, which must have been trained specifically on East Asian languages as the results are much better. Not perfect, but better in my experience. Google translate has long incorporated OCR (image to text) so it may be less useful, but I’m very fond of the no-install Capture2Text which can convert manga speech bubbles to text, provided the scans are clean enough to read the kanji.

For grammar, I stuck to Minna No Nihongo. Bought all the books and slowly work through the lessons now.

The most valuable asset though is having a fluent or native speaker you can ask. Nuance is impossible to grasp if no one explains it to you. Even with vocab, you’ll run into plenty of words with the same meaning. Dictionaries often don’t distinguish in those cases. Having someone you can ask makes learning a lot easier.

Now for the Gundam Wing part of your question.

I’m not exactly sure what you mean by Japanese and Western depictions, or rather who you mean. If we’re talking official sub vs. dub then yes, there are a few differences. Heero isn’t perpetually constipated in the original (he actually has a sense of humor!) and Duo is a lot less flirty than his dub version. But it’s nothing grave. Certainly not Seto Kaiba levels of the dub rewriting his character to make him rant about not believing in destiny every time he opens his mouth.

Or Saber Rider being the leader of the Star Sheriffs. wtf I grew up with a lie D:<

Now, if you’re referring to fandom spaces, I am, without a doubt, the wrongest person to ask as I have never seen what the Japanese Wing fandom is up to and have never really been in touch with what the West is doing either. Have I seen fanfics and do I know 1x2 is the most popular ship? Yes. Have I spent 10 minutes looking at a manga panel, trying to figure out what is going on, only to hit the back button as fast as I could once I did? To the detriment of my poor eyes, yes. But when it comes to fandom differences, I think @muwi-translates could give you a proper answer. I can’t really say much as I’m not involved in the fandom in a way that lets me know such things.

I just sit here in my bubble, talking to myself most of the time.

#gundam wing #japanese

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prosecutingfairy · 1 year

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g r e e t i n g s

i'm clyde and i thought i had to do this post even thought it would be cringey

i speak turkish(mother language),english(fluently),and some german but not really fluent

im both an artist and a writer,so double the creativity and the pain

im aceflux and panplatonic (idk if that term exists or not,i feel platonic attraction but make it pan) and i use they/she. im still a cis female though,i still prefer they/she.

here is some useless info about me/getting to know about me:

im an infj 7w6

i went to...skopje,ohrid,prishtina and prizren (basically macedonia and kosovo)

im interested in law and willing to be a prosecutor?( i might turn into franziska or edgeworth.)

possibly neurodivergent.

i will possibly say sorry to everything? everyone says i shouldn't but idk i think im standoffish and an asshole sometimes.

anyways.

fandoms

jujutsu kaisen,the study case of vanitas,ace attorney,ENA,dumb ways to die (if it counts),deltarune,undertale,honestly idk

things i like(bands,hyperfixations and shit)

so...im going to ramble some shit out so you can skip this)

nirvana,pink floyd,guns n roses,foster the people,penelope scott (some of her songs),jack off jill,some turkish rock (i normally cant stand turkish music even it is my own countrys,but there is some specific bands like maNga,yüzyüzeyken konuşuruz etc. but idk much.),pinkshift,law,my ocs,writing,drawing,my ocs,my blanket,frogs,cats,astronomy,science,simple affection,colorful things,love letters,flowers,gardening,shopping,rambling,anyone listening to me,my fandoms...but yeah lets go on

projects

1. harper to the end of the world(dünyanın sonuna harper in turkish)

trigger warning: cringy,maybe some trauma,edgy teenager,narcissism,kind of venting and ranting,some spoilers?

harper is my kind of self-insert oc,when most people ask i say "a character based off me." so yeah my life is like shit and most people judge me for whateverthefuck i do. homever stabbing them is illegal and prohibited in Islam. i always wanted to control them and make them be sorry for what they did. i cant mention their irl name tho,i will get in trouble.(our advisory teacher and the counselor are such jerks,i don't like them.) and then harper gets the ability to...control them?

i admit i was trying to drag attention to myself in 6th grade,but that was the literal past and as my dear friend(i don't know if he still sees me as a friend.) mr. nobody,"the desire to drag attention to yourself comes from the lack of attention you are having." i couldn't agree more. i was a loner back then but i found some people that arent assholes but i don't know if they like me or not. theyre cool though. im a standoffish and attention addict girl as the girls gossip in my classroom but they talk about wanting a "big boy" or a "starboy" like wtf aren't those songs 💀 AND THEY LIKE A BOY WHO LITERALLY PULLED OFF A GIRLS HIJAB AND THERE IS RUMORS THAT HE LIKES ME 💀💀💀

but, what if there was someone who actually gave a fuck about me? yep,here comes my ocs. i get dragged into another universe where harper's and my other oc's dreams actually happens,but they have to fight with monsters and evil people etc. harper becomes a fairy and gets frogs and other pretty animals 🩷

2. interworld(dünyalar arası in turkish)

so,these characters.im going to write their name in english and turkish.most of the names have to do nothing with their original turkish names,but it suits them.

trigger warning!!

a good-looking teenage model,which is actually very nice,but doesn't want to model because the influence he gives on people,and doesn't want any bitches.also being verbally @b#s#d by his brother,the ceo of the big fashion company. xavier,our protagonist. (his name is Yıldırım.yep,thats his name.btw his mom dies after she gives birth to yağmur,her younger sister.)

a government agent,who just wants to live her teenage life. she was really depressed after her mom got fired and had to leave her for good.. has to go on murdering sprees sometimes. an ultimate spy,depressed(has tried...some things,i don't want to trigger people.) but dresses really cute. "monika" jenny. monika is her spy name,and she has a fake id for good. our protagonists best friend and lover.the turkish name doesn't change

xavier's stupid but nice,also a great listener cousin,getting emotionally neglected and verbally @b#s#d by his parents,again. He likes science and psychology. also looks like and almost is apollo justice.elliot,the protagonist's cousin.(şimşek in turkish.there is also a side character called fırtına[hurricane] and my friends call it "a weather forecast")

a standoffish but emotional and awkward fairy which is a selfish asshole to herself but actually a real mess? she either does a manspread or turns into a cat. thinks everyone is judging her of her apparence or hyperfixating. yes,thats harper,the "not ladylike" girl. i will explain the dynamics between stories later. she screams or meows often,when she doesn't want to talk/can't talk.

a monster/demon boy,that is awkward but really nice,stupid but smart,introvert but extrovert,shy but confident,basically complicated.likes to tease people .also says sorry really often. more gentle than the others but cant control himself when he's scared.he got @$$ault3d by his aunt.asterix,the fairy's lover. he will also send you shrek memes to make you smile at 3 AM. he likes cats.

a poc girlboss trying to dress like the kidcore/indie kid aesthetics? she is also a cancer survivor and she grew some hair too. but she used to get bullied by some bitches that were the complete opposite of kidcore,so she wants to dress like that way and she likes the aesthetic- marble,the confident one along with xavier. she likes makeup and still watches barbie movies.(she goes with "mermer" [marble] in the book)

these traumatized humans form a team with a void+man thing which gives them powers,and fights the evil. in the other universe. if you want to read it or have any questions,you can ask.

xavier x monika,asterix x clyde and marble x elliot looks good but xavier and asterix are gay so yeah xavier could fuck anyone honestly(he is bi).but since its going to be published in a homophobic country,theyre all straight because i need a shelter.

so uhm,this is the end.

sorry for the long post,i like introducing myself,and you don't have to read it all so...

yeah im sorry. im not trying to be edgy or attention seeking.

#writers on tumblr #oc #arrists on tumblr #introducing post #introducing myself #idk what im doing

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shisuiyes-blog · 7 years

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“i was super pissed so i went to the gym even tho it’s really late at night so i was the only one there and i was at the punching bag listening to music and you surprised me by tapping me on the shoulder, holy shit i didn’t mean to punch you, i’m so sorry, but srsly why the hell would you sURPRISE SOMEONE WHO IS ANGRY AND PUNCHING THINGS” // I'm absolutely pissing thinking of Sakura turning and decking the shit outta Shisui like poor guy wtf let me help you you're bleeding dinner's on me but WHY

WISHLIST STUFF. ll @leafmedic ll accepting !

— to say he’s caught off guard, well. that would be an understatement.

RECOGNITION stayed reflex, kept one rooted to their spot until a set of bandaged knuckles quite firmly averted his gaze.it actually takes a moment for the pain to set in, too. [ bloody hell. should spar with her some time ]

“ thanks for that, ” comes groaned through curled fingers, nasal as blood dives merrily down the front of his shirt. goddammit - “ was that really necessary ?? ” ( aimed at the ceiling this time )

ahh, lovely, the taste of blood at the back of your throat. great. fucking bless. “ ‘m gonna tell sasuke you did tha- no, wait. he’d fuckin’ love tha’. ‘m gonna tell itathi, an’ he’th gonna be thtern at you. ”

yeah, that’ll teach her. go, itachi, go. ( maybe. except then he’d have to tell itachi who, most likely, would have a hearty chuckle at his expense. pride, man. pride. )

one thing truly does deserve ( honorable ) mention, as a surge of not quite pleasure trips through the space ‘neath curved bone. “ you’right hook ith a blething to thith villatge, thakura. ”

blindly, && amid a firm pretense of ignorance to her protests ( && offers of dinner ? hahaha, sakura-chan, please ), shisui seeks out her fist to cradle it in a curl of deft fingers.lifts it. kisses each knuckle with pain-staking patience, && —- — bleeds all over her fucking fist. thoroughly.

the injury has him snigger rather than chuckle, which makes it all the better.

“ wa’ wath thab about dinnel ?? ” can she even make out the wor– yeah, probably she’s fluent in this by now.

“ ohw, fuck, pwease heal my fucging face, thakuwa-tjaaannnn ... ”

#rp #assorted leafmedic.#leafmedic #saved ic.#BUT WHY LMAO. amen but shisui is like listen sakura u know me u know my chakra ok OK??#ok so maybe i had it veiled a lill bit and hadnt thought of that kami sakura ur right hook is a blessing to this village #let me kiss ur knuckles #no i have to u made me bleed i'll fucking bleed all over your fist u tiny lill SHIT #shisui can't decide whether he's aroused or offended tbh #I'M PISSING HAHHAHAHAF UCK #thakuwa-tjan i'm PISSING

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