#what happens to Lydia is pretty tame for the era

[bethanydelleman]

Hey! There's something I have been thinking about recently, why do you think Austen (and the Austen fandom in general) is so forgiving of Marianne but not Lydia for basically the same faults? They are both very young, both hopeless romantics which is understandable at their age. Lydia's biggest fault is being selfish, but Marianne can also be unintentionally inconsiderate of her sister, completely absorbed in her own suffering and occasionally rude to people. Lydia had run away with Wickham without considering that it would bring disaster on her family, but Austen heavily implies that Marianne too would probably have gone with Willoughby, the circumstances just never came to that. One of Lydia's worst moments is when she calls Jane an old maid, and while Marianne would probably not say it to anyone's face, she does hold the same opinions and believes that women who haven't married by 27 should basically just give up on their lives. It's true Marianne improves and becomes slightly more empathetic by the end of the story and Lydia doesn't? Because I can't think of any other reason.

I'm not sure there is such a big difference between Marianne's treatment by the fandom and Lydia's (that's why they have defence posts), I read a lot of pretty violent hatred towards them both. Hurting the heroine is an unforgivable sin!

Anyway, the thing is, Marianne is a lot more intelligent than Lydia, so I'm not sure if she'd run off with Willoughby without a guarantee of marriage in the way Lydia did. I don't think it's that Austen is forgiving or unforgiving, she sets up a character and then the character does what is logical within those parameters. It is established very early that even though Marianne is a drama queen, she's smart. She also really cares about her family (defending Elinor's art skills in company) in a way that Lydia doesn't. Marianne has had a better education and better guidance from her parents too, even if her mom is a little over indulgent. She also almost dies for loving Willoughby so it's not like she gets out of the story without consequences.

Also, Lydia isn't a hopeless romantic, she's a flirt. I think you can easily argue that Marianne has unrealistic views of marriage, but Lydia's are worse! Lydia doesn't consider anything other than being the first to marry at whatever cost. To her it's just a game of one-up-manship, while Marianne is determined to marry for true love. So while they are both younger teenage girls, I don't think they are that similar and their different fates follow their characters.

#question response #lydia bennet #marianne dashwood #jane austen #she's not really into moral tragedy #what happens to Lydia is pretty tame for the era

[mrjeremydylan]

My Favorite Album #185 - Mark Hart (Crowded House) on XTC ‘Drums and Wires’ (1979)

Singer/songwriter and multi-instrumental wizard Mark Hart (Crowded House, Supertramp) joins me for a freewheeling journey through the records that inspired him through his formative years, particularly XTC’s nervy, new-wave classic ‘Drums and Wires’ .

We talk about how XTC hid their intricacy and sophistication through canny pop songwriting, whatever happened to Oingo Boingo, driving to Woodstock on acid, how some Crowded House songs changed after they played them live, Mark’s possibly terrible childhood bands, a cover of “Louie Louie” in the style of Bowie’s “Let’s Dance”, the time Nick Seymour almost introduced Mark to XTC guitarist Dave Gregory on a boat, why Mark’s height got him fired from Jackshit and much more.

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