Rewatching When the Levee Breaks
Welcome to “Sam’s Got the DTs (Dimples, Tortured): A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!
Up today, s4e21: When the Levee Breaks
Dean and Bobby keep Sam locked in the panic room, trying to detox him from the demon blood. Sam’s pleading and screaming clearly bother Dean, but they agree that they don’t really have other options. Sam hallucinates all manner of things, including his mother, himself as a teen, and his brother who calls him a monster. Dean calls on Cas for help, who says that Sam likely could kill Lilith but he’d have to drink so much demon blood that he’d no longer be human. He tells Dean that he’s the only one who can stop the apocalypse, and Dean reluctantly swears loyalty to heaven. Cas then, unbeknownst to Dean or Bobby, lets Sam out of the panic room. Bobby catches Sam trying to leave the property, but can’t shoot him. Sam knocks him out and goes to find Ruby, who tells him that there are only a few seals left and Lilith is the only one who can break the last one. Anna comes to Cas to berate him for his actions, but he protests that he is acting on orders before more angels arrive and capture Anna. Sam and Ruby are ready to leave to meet up with a demon Ruby says is close to Lilith, but Dean finds them and tries to kill Ruby. He and Sam fight, and Sam nearly knocks Dean out. As Sam is leaving, Dean tells him that if he leaves he should never come back.
Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here. Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.
[and we begin:]
Lor:
"if it smells like a duck"?
Mace:
HA
Sam is so hot when he’s mad
Lor:
he IS
Mace:
your Dean is being a butt
Lor:
aw but lookit how tortured he is about it
Mace:
is he though?
i think we’ve seen him much more so
Lor:
well. that's probably true
Mace:
the self-righteousness is helping with it
Lor:
he's in a mood
Mace:
ew gross this dude
DONT YOU TOUCH MY STRINGBEAN
Lor:
right?
ooof, Sammy. your mind is being so mean to you
"oh wait. no one ever wrote one" BOBBY
Mace:
HA
SUCK DIRT AND DIE RUFUS
Lor:
"suck dirt and die" HAAAAAAHAHAHAHA
"he knows"
"you look just awful" SNORK
Mace:
christ he’s hot
Lor:
right? he's all sweaty and tortured
Mace:
YES
Lor:
look, MARY
Mace:
yeah she’s the worst
DIMPLE
TORTURED DIMPLE
Lor:
YAAAS
Mace:
he could just…embrace the evil? I’d still love him…more prolly
Lor:
YES
Mace:
Look, Cas, don’t confuse Chosen One with One You Want to Bone
Lor:
HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA
"if it gives you comfort to see it that way" ooooooof
Mace:
“say it” oooo, dom vibes
Lor:
omg the LOOKS they are giving each other
Mace:
right?
Lor:
"now you wait" PREFERABLY ON YOUR KNEES
Mace:
guys, stand a smidge closer, why don’t you
Lor:
LOLOLOL
"i'm sorry. you prefer sucker?"
Mace:
“the angel’s bitch” a little on the nose there Bobby
Lor:
lolololol
"that's a little too much nothing"
Mace:
toddler parent speak
Lor:
LOL
CLOSE THE DOOR
Mace:
well i think Bobby may actually have been born in a barn, so
Lor:
haahahahaha
Mace:
yeah, dean, quit hurting Sammy
Lor:
omg Dean, your face
Sam's hallucination of Dean has a collar that is VERY popped and real Dean's collar is not at all popped
Mace:
interesting!
Cas, what are you up to
Lor:
poor nugget. doing what heaven tells him to
Mace:
yeah Anna, go away
Oooh, I don’t like that she calls him Cas. Only the boys get to call him that
Lor:
right?
Mace:
oh honey
Lor:
oooof
"i am on call, in my car on the way to murder the bitch"
Mace:
sigh simmer down, dude
Lor:
lol
Mace:
oh sweet jesus that was hot
Lor:
RIGHT?
Mace:
“I know that kid”
I love that he thinks of him as a kid, always
Lor:
YES
and that he really does know him that well, even though Sam thinks he doesn't
like, Dean HAS been a dick to him, but he does really care
Mace:
yeah
Lor:
mmm slicked back hair
Mace:
meh
not my jam
not on him at least
Lor:
that's why he wears it all loose and luscious most of the time
Mace:
YAS
yeah, Dean, stop being a dick
ah, we’ve entered Bigot Dean era. Awesome.
Lor:
yeeeeeah he sure has some trouble with his grayness sometimes
oh Dean. do NOT say that to Sammy
Mace:
Dean, don’t draw lines like that. not cool
Lor:
i mean. Sammy, don't choke out Dean, either. but.
for real, Dean. you know what that means to Sam. don't say that
Mace:
he had it coming
Lor:
squinty eyes
Mace:
i know you love him, but it’s really hard for me to like Dean right now. so self-righteous and I-Know-Best and hypocritical
oh, Sammy’s the monster? Who loves torturing people in Hell, Dean? Huh? WHO?!
Lor:
yeah, he loses me at the monster bit. it's like, is this an addiction or isn't it? cause if you're gonna be all "addiction intervention we have to help you bc you are not capable of helping yourself right now" you can't turn around and be all "you're evil" 12 hours later
(I also kind of don't buy it. it feels like bad writing for Dean. I don't think he ever gives up on his little brother Sammy, and this turn to "you're the monster" feels like giving up on him)
Mace:
OR - hear me out - it IS in line with what we know of Dean: He’s not giving up here on Sam so much as he’s giving up on himself and his ability to save Sam. “Sam is a monster” = “I’m a complete failure as a brother and human garbage because I can’t save Sam from whatever is happening to him, which is just further proof that I’M the monster, but I’m not self-aware enough to understand all this, so I’m taking it out on little bro because Dad never taught me how to figure out feels.” See? It all comes back to John being a Major Bag O’ Dicks.
Lor:
HA! I am HERE for all interpretations that make it John’s fault. That dillweed
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Rewatching Jump the Shark
Welcome to “Adam is the New Dawn Summers: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!
Up today, s4e19: Jump the Shark
The boys answer a call on their dad’s old cell phone, and the caller claims to be John’s son. FRAUGHT. They go to meet him, Sam ready to see what’s what, Dean *certain* that this is some monster laying a trap. But all signs point to Adam really being John’s son and therefore the boys’ younger half brother. Adam’s mother has disappeared, and while Sam and Dean try to find out what happened to her, the three brothers have all manner of moments of strife and snipe and hurt and grump. (Dean is especially grump.) Turns out, whoops, that Adam IS a monster (a ghoul) laying a trap, but the ghoul has taken the form of the real Adam, who is very dead but was also very much Sam and Dean’s brother. Ooof.
Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here. Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.
[and we begin:]
Lor:
oh fuck off, John
jeez, Dean
Mace:
sammy brushing his teeth is hot don't ask me why i don’t make the rules
Lor:
"but I'm hungry now" me and Dean are the saaaaame person
LOL it is adorable
Mace:
HA
Lor:
omg Sam also has mouthwash
Mace:
YAS
Lor:
our poor boys
Mace:
yeah
dean is PISSED
Lor:
yep
and underneath his anger iceburg is a whoooole lot of hurt
Mace:
yeah
don't just throw the silverware on the floor, Dean, you’re better than that
Lor:
right?
I will forgive him a lot right now, but still
Mace:
poor Adam
Lor:
yeah
"a car fell on him" DEAN
Mace:
“a car fell on him”
you’re being a turd
Lor, slap him upside real quick
Lor:
yep. we've crossed over into "no pie for you"
nah he enjoys that. and then I get all....
Mace:
yeah right, you would never
Lor:
yeah, I wouldn't. not enough that he'd feel it
Mace:
i meant deprive him of pie
Lor:
oh that.
I meeeean. maybe for a minute or two
what diner has real silver on the table?
Mace:
Lor. we just watched Dean switch them out and throw the diner’s stuff on the floor
get your head in the game
Lor:
oh yeah! I was... distracted
oh Dean, honey
Mace:
oh man, Dean. poor thing.
his head is near asploding
Lor:
yep
and his heart
Mace:
admit it, Dean, your dad was a DICK
Lor:
as if he could hate John more AND dammit he'd thought the man had run out of ways to hurt him
YEP
oh DEAN. he needs a hug. maybe he should pray to Cas
Mace:
that’s the problem - i don’t think he does hate john and he really needs to
Lor:
well not enough anyway
Mace:
he hates himself for not being a better son instead of blaming john for being a shit father
Lor:
sloppy, John, getting your pic in the paper. terrible hunter
oooof YEP
Mace:
so this is going right into the I Must Be a Shitty Son because He Loved This Kid More
Lor:
ooooof
see, he needs pie
lololol Dean
stop throwing scissors!
Mace:
omg the spazzing
Lor:
(course, maybe he's doing it on purpose to protect Sammy from having to go down there)
Mace:
(maybe)
Lor:
(I can never decide which I think it is)
Mace:
EWEWEW
Lor:
ick
oooo you clean that gun, Dean, you clean it good
Mace:
HA
Lor:
I mean. Dean is
just not for a JOB
Mace:
yeah
oh Sam
always steps up with the logic
Jesus, Dean, sitting as far away as he can
Lor:
"nobody just says okay"
YEP
Mace:
Dean. It’s not HIS fault.
Lor:
nope
Dean is SUCH a whirl of emotions
Lor:
omg both of them yelling "no" at little brother
Mace:
YES
“welcome to the family”
AHAHAHA
poor Sammy
Lor:
poor Sammy. welcome to being the middle kid, Sam
Mace:
Somehow he’s always been the middle kid
Lor:
HA!
YES
(do you remember how this goes?)
Mace:
(i do not)
Lor:
(oh HO. very good, then)
Mace:
(well, I mean, Adam ends up as Michael, if that’s what you mean)
Lor:
(that is not what I mean)
Mace:
I love that little bracelet on Sam’s wrist
Lor:
it COULD have been over if the writers hadn't dropped the ball all the way to the center of the earth at the end
YES
Mace:
YUP
Lor:
nnnnnggggg Dean crouching by the car
Mace:
is he wearing…italian boots?
Lor:
he is wearing SOME kind of very special boots that he did NOT buy at Macy's, that's for sure
pets him
this is why you never park over top of shit
Mace:
Ha!
Lor:
lol poor Bobby. "MORE of you snot nosed Winchesters to look after? I'm gonna resurrect your son of bitch father so I can shoot him myself"
Mace:
AHAHAHA YES
oh WAIT I THINK I REMEMBER NOW WHAT HAPPENS
OOOOOO
Lor:
LOL
Mace:
Dean is STRUGGLING with stuff
Lor:
he REALLY is
Mace:
wants to hate the kid but also wants to protect him
Lor:
YEP
Mace:
Big Brother pull is strong with this one
Lor:
yep
oh Sam
Mace:
“i think it’s too late for us"
oh DEAN WINCHESTER
they are beautiful boys, but DAMN they are messed up
Lor:
they REALLY are
"well then I'll look again"
Mace:
stubborn
Lor:
his little hufflepuff heart can't handle not caretaking his little brother
Mace:
ha!
“sloppy Joe” DEAN WINCHESTER NO
Lor:
lol I love that he makes his quips when there's no one to hear them though
Mace:
I prefer when he says “son of a bitch"
Lor:
ditto
oooof Dean
Mace:
yeah
oh he’s got his thinking cap on
Lor:
lol
EW
Mace:
agreed
EWEWEW
STOP CUTTING MY STRINGBEAN
Lor:
RIGHT?
ooof Dean you can stop now
Mace:
Jesus, Dean.
Lor:
you probably wanna raise them higher than that too Sam
Mace:
yeah
Lor:
"Adam's in a better place" not for looooong
Mace:
i don’t remember how he comes back
is it because dean says no to michael?
Lor:
the angels bring him back when Dean says no, yeah
Mace:
stop insulting sammy, dean
Lor:
"you take it any way you want" ooooooof
The Fraught Brothers Ride Again
Mace:
cripes, boys
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Rewatching After School Special
Welcome to “Stay Gold, Jenny Thunder: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!
Up today, s4e13: After School Special
Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here. Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.
[and we begin:]
When a high school girl drowns a bully in a school toilet and insists later that she felt like she was possessed during the incident, Sam and Dean are on the case. And the high school in question? Just so happens to be one they attended briefly as teenagers. The boys go undercover in the school as a janitor (Sam) and a P.E. teacher (Dean) to see what they can find out. As more students are hurt by possessed classmates, the boys discover that the culprit is the ghost of a boy named Dirk who attended the school with Sam and Dean and was horribly bullied after they were no longer at the school. Through a series of flashbacks, we learn what Sam and Dean were going through themselves at that school, and see that Dirk had been a bully to Sam and his friend until Sam knocked Dirk out in a fight and labeled him with a moniker that would become the focus of the bullying directed toward him. Sam and Dean rid the school of the ghost, but not without a considerable amount of fraught. And in the end when Sam seeks out a teacher who had been important to him to say thank you, the teacher asks if Sam is happy. End episode. It’s outsiders all the way down, man.
Mace:
what a bitch
Lor:
ug terrible high school kids
Mace:
welp, she’s a bitch too
Lor:
YEP
Lor:
(this was not my experience of high school. there was definitely meanness and cliques but if that level of awfulness was happening, I wasn't aware)
Mace:
(same)
Lor:
also, no one got possessed and drowned anyone
Mace:
well, sure. Although, to be fair, again, we don’t KNOW for certain that no one got possessed
Lor:
TRUE
and no Sam and Dean ever showed up
Mace:
yeah we would have known about that
Lor:
(god, I would have DIED at Dean Winchester when I was 17)
Mace:
(SAME)
Lor:
mmmmrf Sammy in that white v-neck
Mace:
YAS
Lor:
she thinks she was possessed but Sam's crazy? come on, child
Mace:
honey. you’re in the nuthouse and you’re calling Sammy crazy?
Lor:
commit to the bit
Mace:
HAHAHAHAHA
Lor:
LOLOLOLOL
IS THIS THE DEAN IN THE SHORTS EPISODE
Mace:
Swedish exchange students?
I need to hear that accent
IT IS
Lor:
LOLOL
this is 1000% not what Dean looked like at 18. he was Jenny Thunder in his dad's leather jacket trying to be cool
Mace:
HA
Lor:
like I buy the bravado and the attitude but he was PRETTY. I will not be convinced otherwise
Mace:
snork
Mace:
The Outsiders. subtle, writers. subtle.
Lor:
he would have that teacher eating out of his hand
LOLOLOL
Mace:
Hm. I kind of like the idea that he hasn’t perfected his game yet
Lor:
mmmmm. yeah, okay. he hasn't quite learned what level of sass he can get away with yet
WHISTLE
Mace:
HAAAAAAHAHAHA
yeah, Dean wouldn’t slam that kid like that
Lor:
DEAN
RIGHT?
Mace:
Sam in a work suit does things to me
Lor:
he would have every one of these kids doing physical activity, enjoying themselves, and feeling better about themselves
YAS
Mace:
yep
Lor:
and he would go help that kid
is he possessed by John or what?
Mace:
HA
oh ewewewewewew
EWEWEWEWEW
Lor:
OH JEEZ NOPENOPENOPE
I can't with hands in blendery things
Mace:
Sammy’s concerned face is so adorable
Lor:
it IS
OMG
Dean in his track suit
Mace:
those shoulders
Lor:
YAS
Mace:
and he looks so COMFY
Lor:
I think someone should quality check that zipper
Mace:
DEAN WINCHESTER
Lor:
DEAN
KNOCK IT OFF
Mace:
it’s all talk to annoy Sam. he would never
Lor:
YEP
and maybe he's actually uncomfortable being reminded of high school and is leaning into the persona?
Mace:
yeah
Lor:
(or this one was written by someone who wasn't as invested in Dean and just got him a little OOC. it is a Sam ep)
Mace:
(i agree that the writer doesn’t know Dean, but I think it’s pretty equally and Sam and a Dean ep)
Lor:
Oh Dean. trying to act like it's cool that he doesn't have a parent looking out for him in a normal way
Mace:
yeah
Lor:
yeah, I had forgotten about this other stuff with him. I mostly remembered the sam and the bullying stuff
Mace:
I love that this kid does Baby Sam so well
Lor:
RIGHT?
poor Sam
Mace:
poor both of them
Lor:
oh Dean
right?
John Winchester has so much to answer for
Mace:
big brother Dean I love it
yep
Lor:
YES
oh Dean. he's so twitchy.
and baby Sam just wanted to be normal
Mace:
yep
Lor:
AND baby Sam has a VERY cool jacket
Mace:
he DOES
Lor:
Dean has definitely stolen Sam's copy of The Outsiders and read it after Sam fell asleep
Mace:
yep
Lor:
he has a crush on Darry
Did Dean just reference Dead Poets?
That boy watches EVERYTHING
Mace:
yeah
oh SAMMY
Lor:
oooof
aw the way he's holding the girl that was possessed
Mace:
oh i love the parallels here with Dean being all big brother again
Lor:
OMG Dean yelling the same thing!
YES
Mace:
yeah, I was worried another adult would come out and see it
Lor:
oooof, yeah
Mace:
LORE
Lor:
they are so very sketch from the outside
DRINK
Mace:
HAHAHAHA
Mace:
they are
Lor:
"ghosts getting creative. well that's super"
Mace:
like, hanging out on a school bus with a sawed off shotgun
Lor:
"ghostie ghostie"
YEP
Lor:
do not name your kid Dirk if your last name is MacGregor, come on
Mace:
snork
Lor:
ooof it's being called freak that finally sets him off
Mace:
yep
Lor:
this poor father
Mace:
yeah
Sammy do NOT feel guilty, the kid WAS a dick
Lor:
Dean knows that a whole load of upset Sammy is coming
right?
Mace:
YEP
Lor:
Sam, you were fourteen. this was not ON you. SHOCKINGLY, the adults around you failed
Mace:
“all of him?” DEAN
EXACTLY
Lor:
LOL
Dean trying to act like this is a normal question and he's just a normal guy asking normal questions
Mace:
snork
21 Jump Street
Lor:
YES
Mace:
he watched it for Depp
Lor:
"bus driver sells pot"
he DID
Mace:
snork
Lor:
the way they turn the bullying thing around
Mace:
YEP
Lor:
(i don't think it was Sam's fault, but. just the flipping of the outsider bit)
Mace:
Sammy is giving SUCH good sad face
Mace:
(i get it)
Lor:
YES
DEAN WINCHESTER
Mace:
HAHAHA
Lor:
ooooof Dean
Mace:
ooof she is hitting him where it hurts
Lor:
YEP
Mace:
you’re a kid, honey
Lor:
oooof
John shoulda left the boys with Bobby waaaay back
Mace:
YEP
and never come back
Lor:
YEP
Mace:
oh SAMMY
Lor:
RIGHT?
I just love that moment so much. that Sam takes the time to go talk to the teacher and the teacher is still seeing things in him others aren't
Mace:
YES
Lor:
and the way in both the past and the present, Dean is being supportive in his own way but not really GETTING the issue Sam's dealing with
Mace:
YEP
Lor:
and the teacher, probably because HE is outside their group, DOES see the issue
such a nice little moment
Mace:
I think it’s because he’s good at spotting the outsiders, which is what good teachers can do, not necessarily because he’s outside their group because if that were the case then lots of other people would see what’s going on and they clearly don't
Lor:
oooo, YES I like that
and yes SUCH a good skill in a teacher
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Rewatching In the Beginning
Welcome to “‘1.21 Gigawatts!’ ‘You are my density!’”: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!
Up today, s4e3: In the Beginning.
Cas sends Dean back in time to meet his parents and his grandparents and to witness the moment when the Yellow-Eyed Demon sinks his claws into Mary. Dean decides to try to kill YED so that he and Sam can have a normal childhood, but, of course, that doesn’t work out. We also find out that Cas likes watching Dean when he’s sleeping. But they’re just friends. Uh-huh.
Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here. Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.
[and we begin:]
Lor:
ngggggg Cas
Mace:
YAS
Mace:
his LIPS
Mace:
I mean, honestly
Lor:
YAAS
Lor:
tsk, Sammy, sneaking out while Dean is sleeping
Mace:
oh Sammy, sneaking out
Mace:
HAHAHA
Lor:
LOL
Lor:
aw, Dean, get under the covers, baby
Lor:
"Hello, Dean"
Mace:
“hello, Dean”
Mace:
OMG
Lor:
LOLOLOL
Lor:
no Dean, he only likes to watch YOU sleep
Mace:
YAS
Mace:
Marty McFly vibes
Lor:
YES
Lor:
the little nods are SO GOOD
Mace:
YES
Lor:
oh look, young John takes care of strangers better than Dad!John will take care of his own kids
Mace:
YEP
Lor:
I love that it takes Dean a minute
Mace:
YES
Lor:
probably because based on the furniture in any house of anyone he's every liked, it still is the 70s
Mace:
omg yes, and all the motels
Lor:
YES
Lor:
I love the screaming angel wings title card
Mace:
me too!
Mace:
we’ve moved into the seizure-inducing era of the openings
Lor:
LOL yep
Mace:
Cas’s HAIR
Lor:
"well bend it back!"
Lor:
YAAAAAAS
Mace:
I would LOVE to have that van
Lor:
YES
Lor:
though I would take the Impala first
Mace:
of course
Lor:
Dean Van Halen haaaahahahaha
Mace:
DEAN VAN HALEN
Mace:
HAHAHA
Lor:
LOL
Lor:
"been any cattle mutilations in town lately?"
Lor:
I love him
Mace:
SNORK
smooth, Dean
Lor:
oh yes. super smooth, super subtle
Mace:
omg Dean in a mirthmobile I LOVE IT
Lor:
YAAAAAS
Lor:
I love Mary's shirt
Mace:
YES
Lor:
"I'm going to hell. again."
Mace:
“...again"
Mace:
HAHAHA
Mace:
that’s hilarious because I was just thinking in the last scene, “Is John…attracted to Dean here?"
Lor:
RIGHT?
Mace:
oh look, Dean’s now been abused by both parents
Lor:
HA!
Lor:
yep
Lor:
"are you a hunter?" poor Dean. just upending his WHOLE life
Mace:
YEP
Lor:
"we're practically family"
Lor:
"clearly not enough"
Mace:
HA
Lor:
"Samuel and... Deanna?"
Lor:
HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Mace:
omg, I don’t think I caught that the first time around
Lor:
I LOVE that Mary named her firstborn son after her MOTHER
Lor:
I LOVE IT
Mace:
YAS
Lor:
omg Dean's face
Mace:
HAHAHA YES
Lor:
"the web of information you have assembled"
Mace:
HAHAHA
Mace:
OMG FATHER!DEAN
Lor:
OMG I forgot they both showed up separately in priest outfits!
Mace:
AM DED
Lor:
"Father Chaney" haaaahahahaha
Mace:
YAS
Mace:
he looks SO GOOD in that suit
Lor:
RIGHT?!
Mace:
and I want Mary’s coat
Lor:
YEP
Lor:
dun dun DUN
Mace:
HAHAHAHA YEP
Lor:
that is SO MUCH fruit salad for four people
Mace:
HA
Mace:
“who, where, and when” “why?” HAHAHA
Lor:
LOL
Lor:
you do not, Dean
Mace:
YEP
Lor:
"what's he like?" oh, Dean
Mace:
right?
Lor:
oh DEAN
Lor:
his FACE
Mace:
yeah, Mary, outsiders can’t break in
Mace:
right?!
Lor:
RIGHT?
Lor:
him trying to make her not get killed in the future I CANNOT
Lor:
OH DEAN
Mace:
oh DEAN
Lor:
CAS APPEARING IN THE CAR
Mace:
YAS
Lor:
"Sam is not looking for you" OOOOF
Mace:
right?!
Lor:
"oh, I care"
Mace:
he’ll feel guilty about it always of course
Lor:
of course
Lor:
god Dean's green eyes
Mace:
right?! He looks SO GOOD in this episode
Lor:
YES
Lor:
man, I LOVE when he lays it all out for someone and then lowers his gun
Mace:
YEP
Mace:
oh FUCK YOU SAMUEL
Lor:
Samuel, you deserve everything you get, you putz
Lor:
is bobby the ONLY father figure who ever tells Dean he's proud of him or similar when he's NOT possessed by a demon?
Mace:
omg right?!
Mace:
Dean is SUS
Lor:
YES
Lor:
aaaaaand now he gets to be assaulted by his grandfather. this boy needs so much therapy
Mace:
oooh Angry Dean Thrown Against a Wall
Mace:
HAHAHA
Lor:
YES
Lor:
the way this is almost sexual
Mace:
yeah it’s...weird
Lor:
it is SO CREEPY
Mace:
SO. CREEPY.
Lor:
god Dean's ANGER
Mace:
YAS
Lor:
Jensen kills this
Mace:
he does
Mace:
oh Mary, you dummy
Lor:
right?
Lor:
also, why does she not remember?
Mace:
RIGHT?!?!
Lor:
the Dean stuff gets wiped, but she should remember the demon deal?
Lor:
you don't just forget that?
Mace:
correct
Lor:
O.M.G. the way Cas and Dean look at each other there
Mace:
the look on Dean’s face
Mace:
YES
Lor:
YES
Lor:
"destiny can't be changed, Dean"
Lor:
they way this becomes the theme of the whole SHOW
Lor:
I love it
Mace:
then why say “you have to stop it” Cas?!
Mace:
YES
Lor:
RIGHT?
Lor:
so he would try, I guess?
Mace:
oh wait it was a reference to Sam I guess
Lor:
I guess
Mace:
but it’s still bad writing
Lor:
I feel like sometimes Cas wakes Dean up in the night now to apologize for doing this to him
Mace:
AW
Lor:
i mean, it's so CRUEL. it definitely plagues Cas
Lor:
yeah, it feels like the writing there is supposed to make you go "oh! i see" and instead you just go "eh?"
Mace:
yep. I think we’re supposed to think it’s clever in hindsight, but instead it’s just slipshod and clumbsy
Mace:
wow, that b does not belong in there
Lor:
LOL
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Rewatching Long-Distance Call
Welcome to “Pack Your Panties, We’re Going to Ohio: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!
Up today, s3e14: Long-Distance Call.
People in a town in Ohio are getting phone calls and IMs from the dead. Always someone who was very close to them and whose return they long for. The catch? Eventually the phone calls end in their gruesome deaths. The boys are on the case, but when Dean receives a call from John, he goes off the deep end—juuuust a little. Sam saves the day, but it’s clear Sam and Dean are both getting desperate and emotions are high as the clock ticks down for Dean.
Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here. Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.
[and we begin:]
Lor:
(omg only three eps till Cas!)
Mace:
(OHMYGOD YAYYYY)
Lor:
tsk, pull your collar down in the back over your tie, dude
Mace:
snork
Lor:
1 demerit
Mace:
harsh!
Lor:
I don't make the rules!
Mace:
SNORK!
Lor:
it's all right he's not gonna live long enough to care about his demerits
Mace:
that’s very true
CREEPY
Lor:
YEP
Mace:
EW the blood splatter sound
Lor:
haaaahahahahah the splatter on the phone
LOL
Mace:
prolly brain splatter too
Lor:
LOL our different reactions
Mace:
YAS
“pack your panties, Sam"
Lor:
"no we were actually talking about our feelings"
YOU COULD USE TO TALK ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS, BOY
Mace:
you KNOW you have a favorite boy band, Dean
YES
Lor:
he DOES
he absolutely does
(it's the Backstreet Boys)
Mace:
of course it is
BOYS. SO FRAUGHT
Lor:
"you really wanna talk about who’s keeping secrets from who?" oooooh FRAUGHT
LOL
Mace:
YAS, SAMMY, COME TO OHIO
Lor:
"guess I"m going to ohio" SASSY
YAAAAAS
oooo I LOVE it when they communicate without talking like that
Mace:
YES
Lor:
"a capital offense" and Sam's clearing his throat
Mace:
HAHAHA
my god, Sammy looks good in that suit
that checked shirt, his hair
Lor:
he DOES
Dean wants a lunch
OMG I love him
Mace:
YAS
omg lookit THOSE suits
Lor:
RIGHT?
Mace:
“worth every penny”
DEAN WINCHESTER
Lor:
oh Dean
Mace:
OMG THEIR STERN FACES
Lor:
mrrrrrg Dean all stern voice
Mace:
HAHAHAHA
Lor:
AND THEN THE SMUG SMILE
Mace:
YASYASYAS
Lor:
excuse, am ded
Mace:
SAME
I think this is my favorite phase of Sammy hair
Lor:
it IS good
"cause I was sort of busy"
OMG Dean's smile
Mace:
YES
Lor:
I WISH people from the phone company dressed like that
Mace:
HA
Lor:
THAT ISN'T A CHEAP SUIT
Mace:
seriously, Sammy is KILLING ME right now
DIMPLES
Lor:
the collar with NO BUTTONS
the HINT of ridiculous sideburns but they aren't ridiculous YET
Mace:
YES
the little flippity curls in the back of his hair
Lor:
YAAAAS
nrrrrrg now it's UNBUTTONED
Mace:
DEEEEDDDDD
Lor:
omg the girl walking past him who gives him the look
Mace:
YES
Lor:
oh DEAN
Mace:
oh DEAN NO
HAHAHA
Lor:
you KNOW it's not your dad, honey
come ON
"like OPRAH"
Mace:
SNORK!
poor tiger he’s SHOOK
Lor:
HE IS
okay, Sam, you need to swaddle your brother in a soft blankie and lock him in a room. he is not okay to do this case right now
Mace:
RIGHT?!
(I’ve been to Milan, OH)
omg the EYEBROWS
Lor:
(woot! did you go to the museum?)
YES
Mace:
no
but they have edison signs all over
Lor:
"what's with the quotey fingers?"
Mace:
HAHAHA
Lor:
"we're walking and we're not touching that" OMG she's hilarious but I would have to smack her in real life
Mace:
YEP
Lor:
"the moldy are calling the freshies" omg
Mace:
SNORK
oh Dean, sitting up waiting for the call
Lor:
RIGHT?
"do what?" omg his voice
Mace:
“you’re my boy, I love you” aaaand it’s definitely not him
Lor:
he said he loves you Dean, you KNOW THAT'S NOT HIM
HAAHAHAAHHAHA YES
this is SUCH a creepy concept
Mace:
IT IS
Lor:
"my ass is too sweet to let out of sight" DEAN
Mace:
he’s…not wrong
Lor:
TRUE
omg the way Sam is trying to be patient and Dean is going off
Mace:
Dean, eat a piece of cheese, dude
YES
Lor:
LOL
they both need hugs
Mace:
YEP
Lor:
"maybe that's all I got okay?"
Mace:
oh DEAN
Lor:
"please don't go anywhere until I get back
sam I TOLD you to swaddle him. he's just gonna flail and cry and take off now
Mace:
they never listen to us
Lor:
nope
silly boys
Mace:
um, what little kid would just matter-of-factly answer that play phone?
Lor:
RIGHT?
Mace:
I would have pooped my little pants
Lor:
YEP
though I like the parallel of the little boy answering the phone that's his mom and then immediately Dean answering the phone that's his dad
Mace:
oooh YES
Lor:
Dean can't stop being a little boy here
Mace:
NOPE
Lor:
"is that a sandwich?"
Mace:
“is that a sandwich"
HAHAHA
Lor:
"this is herman munster" HAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Mace:
HAHAHAHA
Lor:
omg stop hitting Sammy in the head
Mace:
Ope, Sammy and the head concussions
HAHAHA
Lor:
LOLOLOLOLOL
poor Stewie
Mace:
ew
Lor:
oooooh boy
Mace:
yeah
this is just cruel
Lor:
(I assume Dean is at the dude's house. i don't remember)
Mace:
(yep)
Lor:
omg moving his hair with the knife
Mace:
YES
Lor:
omg that move with the gun
Mace:
YES
SO COMPETENT
Lor:
YAAAAAS
and hot
Mace:
EWEWEWEWEWEW
Lor:
and hotly competent
Mace:
YES
Lor:
GROOOOOSS
SEE that impaling I believe would kill someone
UNLIKE SOME
Mace:
HAAAAAHAHAHAHA
oh that Dean LOOK
poor kitten
Lor:
RIGHT?
HOW DID HE GET OUT OF THAT ONE?
"i see they improved your face" "right back atcha"
Mace:
BOYS
Lor:
"i gave you a hell of a time on this one" oh DEAN
Mace:
DEAN
Lor:
"I'm scared, Sam. I'm really scared" "I know" GAAAAAAAAH I CAN'T
Mace:
ME NEITHER
Lor:
"and me"
GAAAAAH
Mace:
YAS
Lor:
"that's what you come back with? and me?" "you want a poem?"
HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
drinking together in the motel room sigh
Mace:
THESE TWO
Lor:
holds them
Mace:
YES
Lor:
our poor boys
Mace:
INDEED
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Rewatching Dream a Little Dream of Me
Welcome to “Perchance to Dream!Dean: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!
Up today, s3e10: Dream a Little Dream of Me
After Bobby falls into a coma that seems to have no medical explanation, Sam and Dean work to recreate the case he was working on. Turns out Bobby is stuck inside his own mind, being tormented by nightmares controlled by Jeremy, the man he was hunting. The boys go in after him and are able to get him to wake up, but they still have to contend with the troubled young man who doesn’t want them to take away his ability to invade people’s dreams. Dean gets stuck in his own nightmare where he fights back against a version of himself who claims it’s Dean’s destiny to become a demon, and Sam finally dispatches Jeremy as parallels between Jeremy’s abusive father and John pile up. In the end, Dean brokenly admits to Sam that he doesn’t want to die or go to hell. Sam promises that they will find a way to save him.
Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here. Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.
[and we begin:]
Lor:
oooooh is this the one where Dean finally admits that he doesn't want to go to hell?
Mace:
maybe?
Lor:
tentative bounce
Mace:
poor Bobby
Lor:
yeah
he sure does get stuck in his head a lot
Mace:
SNORK
Lor:
"you're drinking whiskey" "I drink whisky all the time" "no you don't"
oh Sammy
Mace:
RIGHT?!
poor SAM
Lor:
"how can you care so little about yourself"
JOHN
the answer is JOHN
Mace:
“what’s wrong with you?”
HAHAHA YES
Lor:
FRECKLES
Mace:
YES
Lor:
"extremely lame vacation" lololol
Mace:
“some sort of sign of…something”
Lor:
poor Pittsburgh
Mace:
right?
Lor:
aw Dean. putting it behind the clothes in the closet is not really peak covering up his tracks
Mace:
SNORK
Lor:
he's a loyal little bean
Mace:
he is
Lor:
if Dean Winchester comes round asking me questions, I am angling to spend as much time with him as possible, not trying to blow him off
Mace:
DEAN
RIGHT?!
Lor:
"permanent record" HAAAAHAHAHAHA
Mace:
“look officer, I can tell you what I know, but it’ll need to be over burgers and shakes later tonight…”
Lor:
YES CORRECT
is he lowering his voice while he's doing his interrogating?
Mace:
HA! Possibly
Lor:
ooooof Dean at Bobby's bedside
Mace:
yeah
Lor:
omg a hacky sack reference
Mace:
YES
Lor:
serious flashback to the soccer team boys wearing Dave Matthews Band shirts and kicking those around. they got SO MAD if you walked through their little circle
Mace:
HAHAHAHA OMG
“how bad could it be?”
oh Dean
Lor:
RIGHT?
he's a HUNTER, Dean
CHIASMUS
Mace:
“crap. Bella?” “Bella? crap."
YAAAAASSSS
Lor:
YES
I was just gonna say she always looks like she's not wearing anything under her coat HAAAAAHAHAHAHA
Mace:
SNORK
HAHAHA OMG SAMMY
WHAT NO ONE NOTHING
Lor:
LOLOLOLOLOL
"Brad Pitt?"
he always goes there
Mace:
oh DEAN WINCHESTER
YEP I WONDER WHY
Lor:
Right? WHAT could be THE REASON?
Mace:
omg SAMMY
Lor:
lololol SAM. she's wearing clothes, hon
Mace:
a boy can hope
Lor:
omg Sam
Mace:
YAS
Lor:
and interesting that given their chemistry, it isn't Dean dreaming about her
it's polyjuice potion!
Mace:
ESSENCE OF GOYLE
HAHAHAHA OMG LOR
Lor:
HAAAAAHAHAHAHA MACE
DON'T SEPARATE
Mace:
RIGHT?!
Lor:
why are they dumb?
if this were me, I'd be holding hands
Mace:
well that goes without saying
Lor:
LOL
YES
daaaaw passed out boys
Mace:
YAS
did they never wonder how Bobby became a hunter?
Lor:
admires the quick, effective way of establishing what we're seeing is in a dream after the commercial break
no
Mace:
oooh yes!
Lor:
he's their dad. they haven't thought about him as a person he existed before them yet
Mace:
Very true
Lor:
mmmm pocket doors
love em
Mace:
my parents have those
Lor:
my grandparents had them in their house
"everybody got into hunting somehow"
Mace:
oh Bobby
Lor:
YES
and Dean acknowledging the heartfelt thanks in the least way possible
he looks like JOHN, Sam
Mace:
omg Dean’s FACE
YES
Lor:
"aw, I dunno, it wasn't that dumb"
YES
"I was thirsty!"
"you seem a little caffeinated"
Mace:
HAHAHAHA
Lor:
"don't yell at me, boy!"
Mace:
SNORK
Lor:
Dean's emotional dysregulation gets bad when he's sleep deprived, poor thing
Mace:
Same, Dean. Same.
Lor:
RIGHT?
Mace:
oh you chuckleheads
Lor:
"cause I don't want you digging around in my head" oh Dean
the way he looks at Sam
"stop looking at me like that"
Mace:
so the writers think pretty women inviting them to picnics is the be all and end all, then?
YES
Lor:
it's so DOMESTIC
Mace:
YEP
Lor:
LOL I guess
I mean, I buy it for Dean
Sam not so much
Mace:
yeah
Lor:
dreams on TV are never anything like real dreams. mine anyway. like they don't WORK the same
Mace:
correct
oh damn. this scene.
Lor:
"aren't you a handsome son of a gun"
YES
Lor:
"how worthless you feel"
OOOOOOF
Mace:
RIGHT
Lor:
omg he keeps trying with the fingers
adorable
Mace:
YES
Lor:
oooo Dean thought dream!Dean was Jeremy and Sam thought Jeremy was Dean
Mace:
OOOOOOH
Lor:
I'm not sure you can survive that, actually? not dreaming for 15 years?
Mace:
yeah I’m pretty sure you can't
there’s an actual disorder like this but the people die way before that
Lor:
yeah, that's what I thought
I mean, on that TNG ep they all went unsurvivably insane in like 72 hours or something
"look after your little brother, boy!"
Mace:
HAHAHA
oooof yeah
Lor:
"Daddy's blunt little instrument"
Mace:
“daddy’s blunt little instrument"
Lor:
YES DEAN
Mace:
yoicks
Lor:
Speak this truth about John
Mace:
YAAS DEAN
oh DEAN
Lor:
"I didn't deserve what he put on me and I don't deserve to go to hell!"
good, Dean, good! holds him
"this is what you're going to become!"
Mace:
yes, but he’s still beating himself to a pulp
Lor:
ooooooof
YEP
"you answer me when I'm talking to you, boy!"
Mace:
oooof
Lor:
I could write a short paper on the use of the word "boy" in this ep
Mace:
oh poor Dean
Lor:
it's GOT to be intentionally paralleling what dream!Dean says John said to him
yeah
Mace:
oh yeah
Lor:
I love how Bobby brings things up with the boys but doesn't badger them about it
Mace:
YEP
NOT LITERALLY
Lor:
"you boys better check your pockets" "not literally" haaaaahahahaha
Mace:
HAHAHAHA
“dammit boys"
Lor:
YES
Mace:
that’s Bobby’s side of the show right there
Lor:
YES
oh Dean
why would we share anything with people who love us
Mace:
DEAN WINCHESTER YOUR PANTS ARE ON FIRE
Lor:
RIGHT
"I've been doing some thinking. I don't wanna die. I don't wanna go to hell"
"okay, good" HIS VOICE
Mace:
oh DEAN
oh honey
Lor:
THE SNAP AS THE FINAL SHOT
Mace:
YEP
Lor:
holds him
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Rewatching All Hell Breaks Loose: Part 2
Welcome to “Damned DeanDean, Undead Stringbean, and Sad Poppa Bobby: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!
Up today, s2,e22: All Hell Breaks Loose, Part 2
Dean breaks down at the thought of life without Sam and can’t handle the idea that he failed at his one job: to protect his little brother. He makes a deal with a crossroads demon to bring Sam back to life. The price? Dean will go to Hell in one year. Sam comes back to life, as promised, and seems fine, but he’s sus. As is Bobby. Of course they both sort what it is Dean did right quick (cause they aren’t DUMB), and they each separately and in their own ways try to convey to Dean that he’s worth so much more than he thinks he is. Meanwhile, demon stuff. Azazel uses Jake to open a gate to hell. The boys manage to kill Azazel, but hundreds of demons are let loose before they can get the gate shut again. John also escapes, pats Dean on the shoulder, nods at Sam, and ascends to Heaven. Swell.
Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here. Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.
[and we begin:]
Mace:
SIGH
Lor:
NOW we get the song
Mace:
YES
Jensen is SO GOOD in this episode
Lor:
YES
Mace:
the look he gives Bobby MY GOD
Lor:
"you don't think I've given enough?" Oh HON
Mace:
right?!
Lor:
omg the SHOVE
the way they are looking at each other
Mace:
the poor baby
Lor:
"I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Please just go" I CANNOT
Mace:
Bobby’s poor heart, too
Lor:
YES
THE TEAR
Mace:
one son dead and the other hurting so much
Lor:
those are HIS BOYS
Mace:
YES
Lor:
YES
Mace:
I can’t help but like Jake even if he did gank my Stringbean
Lor:
AGREED
Mace:
“I just wanted you to be a kid”
AAAAAAAAHHHH
Lor:
"Dad didn't even have to tell me. it was always my responsibility" GAAAAH
Mace:
“I had one job. and I screwed it up”
Lor:
"I had one job and I screwed it up" AND THE CRACKING VOICE I CANNOT
Mace:
DEAN WINCHESTER NO
SOMEBODY HOLD HIM STAT
Lor:
DEAN BABY YOU ARE MORE THAN JUST YOUR BROTHER'S KEEPER
(Fuuuuuuuck 327)
Mace:
(YEEEESSS)
Lor:
"what am I supposed to do"
Mace:
the chin waivering
Lor:
GAAAAAAAAH
Mace:
(wavering?)
Lor:
(lol. that one)
Mace:
(I never remember)
Lor:
roaring baby mrrrrrrffffff
Mace:
oh Dean honey no
Lor:
Do NOT DEAN MICHAEL WINCHESTER SO HELP ME I WILL SMACK YOU SO HARD
Mace:
and thus starts the vicious circle
Lor:
YEP
omg the sexual harassment vibe
Mace:
YEP
do NOT call his soul tarnished
Lor:
RIGHT?
look, lady, if you think he's a turn off GET OUT OF LINE
Mace:
HAHAHAHA
Ooof that “Sammy?"
Lor:
YES
and that HUG
Mace:
YES
Lor:
Are important things happening here? bc I am very distracted by dean and his henley and his scruff and his freckles
Mace:
YAS
and Sammy’s puppy eyes
Lor:
YES
Mace:
and he’s HURTING
Lor:
YES
OMG Bobby's face
Mace:
oh Bobby
Lor:
And the look he gives Dean. like "oh we are SO talking about this later"
Mace:
YES
Lor:
yeah Dean he has SOME BOOKS IN THE TRUCK
Mace:
HAHAHA
You are gonna GET IT, DEAN
Lor:
YES
Mace:
Papa Bobby is PISSED
Lor:
YES
god Dean trying to joke and it's not working
Mace:
oh Dean. OH DEAN
Lor:
yes, Bobby he is that screwed in the head
please hug him
Mace:
poor Bobby
just think how much he must hate John right now
Lor:
"you can't tell him. you take a shot at me or whatever you gotta do, but please don't tell him"
I CANNOT
YEP
Mace:
YES
Lor:
omg the way Dean hugs her
Mace:
yeah
Lor:
nope, Dean, the other Samuel Colt
Mace:
snork!
Lor:
it's a radioshack. a radioshack is inside
Mace:
HAHAHAHA
Lor:
who directed this ep? why all of a sudden we are up everyone's nose?
Mace:
snork!
Lor:
"is that so?"
Mace:
“be all you can be"
I don’t like him, but he’s witty
Lor:
right?
no no, Jake, the end of the world is S5
Mace:
HA!
Lor:
shoulda shot him, Jake-o
Mace:
YUP
Lor:
mrrrggg wee Dean Winchester behind a tombstone with a gun
WHY IS THAT HOT?
Mace:
YAS
Lor:
the way Dean can't look Sam in the eyes
Mace:
ope, cat’s out of the hellbag
Lor:
HAAAAHAHAHAHA
Mace:
why didn’t he just make them all put their guns down with his mind?
Lor:
I was just wondering that myself
Mace:
or have them all shoot themselves
Lor:
maybe there's a limit to his power?
I mean, NOW there is, but
Mace:
snork!
Lor:
dang, Sammy
Mace:
right?!
that’s probably fine
Lor:
ooooof the look on Dean's face and then Sammy wiping the blood off
YEP. definitely fine
Mace:
definitely
if it’s a devil’s trap, how exactly are the demons breaking through it?
Lor:
right?
Mace:
ooof DEAN
Lor:
sheer numbers? I dunno
his poor pretty little head
Mace:
maybe devil’s traps only work one way? and this one was to keep ’em out and away from the gate?
Lor:
oh maybe
(their use of "ever" in "better deal than your dad ever got" makes me NUTS. it implies either John made several deals OR that John's deal was a LONG time ago. NEITHER IS TRUE)
Mace:
ooof, yeah
Lor:
grumbles in copy editor
Mace:
if Yellow Eyes were smart he wouldn’t have kept that gun loaded...
Lor:
right?
PUSH HIM BACK IN!
Mace:
you know how much I love this show, but there’s a lot of loosey goosey writing going on here
HAAAAHAHAHAHA
Lor:
oh yeah there is
a shoulder touch and some tears don't make the last 23 years okay JOHN
Mace:
yeah, JOHN
Lor:
Target
he's at Target, Sammy
Mace:
HA
Lor:
I need someone to clean up Dean's forehead
I VOLUNTEER
Mace:
SNORK
oh SAMMY
he’s got the hurt puppy going ON
Lor:
"don't get mad at me. don't you do that." I CAN'T. Dean you're killing me. that's not fair, baby
Mace:
“there’s nothing I wouldn’t do for you”
Lor:
oh my boys
Mace:
YAS
no one cares about you Ellen
go home
Lor:
lololololol
Mace:
oh…WAIT
Lor:
seriously
haaaaaahahahahahahaha
Mace:
too soon?
Lor:
"we've got work to do"
Mace:
“we got work to do"
YAS
Lor:
I still CANNOT BELIEVE that (among other things) they did not take the opportunity to call back that line in the finale somehow
Mace:
don’t they?
I thought they did
it was definitely in the last few eps, right?
Lor:
do they? maybe like in the middle of the ep they do?
but I wanted like a reverse. "our work is done" or something. or "we have shit to do" and they close the trunk and they're at the beach or something
Mace:
YES
[after the episode had ended]
Lor:
so, given that Dean actually did go to hell, I guess his deal is fulfilled and Cas pulling him out didn't count as wiggling out of it? cause while Dean was making his deal I had a truly AWFUL AU idea of Cas pulling him out and Sammy goes back to being dead because Dean didn't fulfill the deal
Mace:
LOR, NO
WHY
Lor:
IT'S NOT MY FAULT
Mace:
YOU’RE THROWING MY SAMMY BACK INTO DEAD
HOW VERY DARE
Lor:
I AM NOT
Demons. DEMONS, MACE
Mace:
YOU had the idea, LOR
but it’s okay because your precious DEAN is OKAY i guess
Lor:
whistles. looks around innocently
Mace:
(I can just hear Cas chiming in with “well, Sam IS an abomination…”)
Lor:
(Haaaaaahahahahahaha)
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Rewatching A Very Supernatural Christmas
Welcome to “I Saw Sammy Ganking Pagan Gods: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!
Up today, s3e8: A Very Supernatural Christmas
Once upon a balmy Michigan December, something in a red suit is coming down chimneys and hauling people away. Sam and Dean are on bad Santa’s case, and while they’re at it, Dean is angling for a proper Christmas celebration while Sam is dragging his feet hard at the idea. They visit a sketchy Christmas wonderland, go caroling (they don’t know the words, bless them), and have a beautiful brother moment where they discuss why they each feel as they do about the coming holiday. (Spoiler alert: it’s because it’s gonna be Dean’s last Christmas.) Turns out pseudo-Krampus is a pair of pagan gods masquerading as a middle-aged couple named Edward and Madge, and after a hilarious (and disgusting) torture scene, the boys dispatch them with their own festive decorations. Throughout the episode are interspersed flashbacks to the Christmas when Sam learned the truth about why John is never around, Dean tried to create Christmas for his brother through theft, and Sam gave Dean the amulet that he now never takes off. The final scene of the episode sees present-day Sam giving Dean the best Christmas he can, complete with tree, presents, eggnog, and a football game on the TV while outside snow finally drifts down on Baby.
Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here. Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.
[and we begin:]
Lor:
Christmas with the boys! bounces
Mace:
YAAAAS!
it looks like there’s a bowl of potatoes on the table
Lor:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Mace:
festive
Lor:
I was wondering what those were! Oranges?
Mace:
apples, I think?
Lor:
THE TITLE CARD
Mace:
YAS
“up on the rooftop demon seeeeed"
oooh, fix that collar, Sam
Lor:
mrrrrrg Dean in his suit and with his riiiiing
Mace:
YAS
Lor:
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
LORD those suits are nicely tailored in the shoulders
Mace:
POPPED COLLAR
Lor:
YES
Mace:
YES
Lor:
DEAN you know you've watched Mary Poppins, stop it
Mace:
YEP
Lor:
"yeah, that's crazy." "yeah."
Mace:
HAHAHA
Mace:
SAM SAID LORE EVERYONE DRINK
Lor:
YAAAAS
Mace:
HE SAID IT AGAIN DRIIIINK
Lor:
"santa doesn't have a brother."
Mace:
snork
Lor:
chugs water
"who's childhood are you talking about?"
oooooof
boys
Mace:
“not exactly hallmark memories” dude, those were the best memories Dean has
Lor:
YEP
"a pony" SASSY BABY SAM
Mace:
YAS
learnt it from his brother!dad
Lor:
YES
"because everywhere we go, they get sick of your face" haaaaahahahaha
Mace:
SNORK Jesus, Dean
Lor:
so perfectly twelve
Mace:
YES
Lor:
DRINK AGAIN
Mace:
LORE! DRINK!
HAHAHAHA
Lor:
LOLOLOLOLOL
Mace:
“we only came here to watch” HAHAHA
Lor:
Dean's little head shake
Mace:
“ew"
HAHAHAHAHA
Dean’s laugh!
Lor:
"thanks a lot, Dean. thanks for that"
YES
Lor:
"that was Ripple"
Mace:
I love the parallels between adult boys and boy boys
Lor:
YES
Sam drank all the coffee and then later in the flashback Dean gives Sammy the end of the cereal! I never picked up on that one before [Ed: that’s a different episode, of course. But still!]
Mace:
OMG YAS
omg the bong
Lor:
"mr gung-ho christmas might have to blow away santa"
YES
Mace:
YES
Lor:
THE SINGING
Mace:
“jingle my bells"
Lor:
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Mace:
AND THEY DON’T KNOW THE WORDS
Lor:
THEY DON'T KNOW THE WORDS
Mace:
hilarious and tragic
Lor:
YEP
and then this immediate switch to the beautiful version of the song and the big Christmas living room set up
Mace:
and all these versions of the perfect christmas (both the houses where people get attacked and the pagan gods’ house) look beautiful but are awful, but then at the end Sam & Dean get an on-the-surface shitty christmas that is way more wholesome
YES
Lor:
YESYESYES
Dean's FACE when Sam asks about the wreath
Mace:
Dean’s confused face at the wreath question
YAS
Lor:
and he wants to try to back Sam up but he's got NOTHING
Mace:
YES
my god those SUITS
Lor:
"I know. I was just testing you" pets him
YES
"that we're morons"
Mace:
oh Dean, your pants are on fire
LORE! DRIIINK!!
Lor:
lolololololol
Mace:
SING IT, SAMMY
Lor:
"what will you tell me next? Easter bunny's Jewish?" hush, Dean, you love that Sam knows all these things
Mace:
YES
Lor:
"we were playing Jenga over at the Walshes the other night"
Mace:
“it was yummy”
HAHAHAHA
Lor:
Dean playing on the thing where people are assuming they're gay, I cannot
Mace:
YEP
Lor:
"I sell a lot of wreaths, guys"
Mace:
SNORK
Lor:
"people pay a buttload for this crap"
Mace:
HAHAHA
Lor:
oh Dean
Mace:
yeah, and I love you Sam, but THINK. This is his last Christmas
Lor:
RIGHT?
bc Sam refuses to accept that, I think
Mace:
yeah
oh Sammy.
Lor:
the way Sam's voice breaks on "dead"
Mace:
BOYS. FRAUGHT
Lor:
YES
Mace:
YES
Lor:
the way they just sit there
Mace:
YEP
Lor:
is John's journal thinner than it is later? that's an awesome detail
Mace:
“are monsters real?” and the parallel to losing your Santa innocence
it IS
Lor:
YES
"we have the coolest dad in the world" oh, Dean
Mace:
yeeeeah
Lor:
oh baby Winchesters. it is exactly like that
Mace:
YEP
Jesus, how did they grow up as functioning adults at all?!
Lor:
RIGHT?
it's because Dean is an astounding human
and Bobby
Mace:
YEP
“oh fudge!”
Lor:
YES
awww, Dean wants some peanut brittle
Mace:
aw, let him have some peanut brittle
Lor:
RIGHT?
Sammy's always harshing Dean's desire to take sweets from strangers
Mace:
he IS
stupid salads
Lor:
HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA
"see? plastic!"
I luff him
Mace:
snork!
ewewewewew
Lor:
(don't lots of people have good locks on their interior basement doors? because there's likely a shitty door to the outside down there that doesn't lock good? or at all?)
Mace:
(hm. possibly?)
Lor:
see, if you comment on irrelevant things at length, you can not look at the ew
Mace:
HAHAHAHA
Lor:
stop hurting their heads! that's where all the knowledge and humor lives!
"I guess we're dealing with mr and mrs god. nice to know"
Mace:
YES
Lor:
"don't get all wet"
I love these two
Mace:
YAS
Lor:
"i guess we'll just have to cancel the sacrifice"
Mace:
HAHAHA
Lor:
they DO look darling. but hands off, Madge
Mace:
YAS
Lor:
"times have changed!"
"this Jesus character"
Mace:
“this Jesus character”
YAS
Lor:
YES
Mace:
omg the WINK
Lor:
YES
"oh my goodness me! someone owes a nickel to the swear jar"
Mace:
“I’LL FUDGING KILL YOU”
I LOVE HIM
Lor:
"if you fudging touch me again, I'll fudging kill ya!" "very good"
YES
NOPE
Mace:
NOPENOPENOPENOPE
Lor:
the fingernail NOPENOPENOPE
Mace:
CORRECT
oh god, I’m still cringing
Lor:
YEP
and it gets worse
TEETH
"sweet Peter on a popsicle stick"
Merry Christmas, Sam
Mace:
HAHAHA
this is too soon. i’m having a tooth pulled in a couple of weeks
Lor:
"somebody gonna get that?" HIS COMEDIC TIMING JENSEN
ooooooof
Mace:
YAS
Lor:
tsk tsk tsk, you left Winchesters unattended
Mace:
yep. big mistake
Lor:
YEP
using all that "perfect" house stuff as weapons. the big hutch, the perfect tree
Mace:
they’re gonna be so sappy-sticky when they get home...
YES
Lor:
YEP
they should pick up some baking soda on the way home
Mace:
yep
Lor:
Dean's like full body eye roll at Sam's "merry christmas"
Mace:
HAHAHA YES
oh god, Dean.
you’ve got too much on those little shoulders
Lor:
Dean as Santa Claus/Dean as father
YOU DO
Mace:
YAS
Lor:
oh Dean. disappointed that the presents don't actually work for Sam
Mace:
YEP
also, FUCK YOU, JOHN
Lor:
RIGHT?
"no. no, that's for Dad" over the present
Mace:
YES
Lor:
Dean's not allowed to have things
Mace:
and Sam choosing Dean over John
Lor:
YES
Mace:
this right here is the pivotal moment for Sam
Lor:
and Dean still wearing it all these years later
YES
Mace:
YAASSS
omg their FACES
Lor:
SAM'S DECORATING
Mace:
Sam hopeful, Dean’s astonishment
Lor:
YES
the eggnog is too strong for him I can't
Mace:
YES
Dean’s delight that he got presents
Lor:
YES
and Dean CARES if Sam is happy with those last-second presents
Mace:
and so does SAM I CANNOT
Lor:
YEP
Mace:
you can’t tell me that they don’t keep those silly presents FOREVER
Lor:
YEP
Mace:
oh god, they’re both about to cry
BOYS
Lor:
(I also love that Sam's presents to Dean are better than Dean's presents to Sam both in the present and the past)
YES
Mace:
YES
Lor:
that face Dean makes with the drink
THIS SHOOOOOOOT
Mace:
YES
Lor:
through the window. snow. lights. BABY IS WITH THEM
Mace:
YES
Lor:
such a good episode
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Rewatching In My Time of Dying
Welcome to "Do You Think Sam Knows 'Light As a Feather, Stiff As a Board' Too?: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog" with Lor and Mace!
Up today, s2,e1: In My Time of Dying
All three Winchesters experience their own Supernatural cold open when they are rushed to the hospital after that crazy-surprise crash at the end of last season. Sam and John are superficially banged up, but Dean is in a coma and the predicted outcome isn't great. He spends most of the episode out of body, trying to beat the reaper who's after him. Meanwhile Sam and John butt heads, as per usual, and also as per usual, John goes off to do what he sees as The Hero Bit without telling Sam anything about it. We witness our first Winchester-thinking-a-deal-with-a-demon-is-the-best-option, and it has the same kind of outcome it always does: other Winchesters are pissed and sad and in the end the deal doesn't really do much good. Awesome, John. Great job, as always. But for now, Dean is saved and safe, although more emotional damage has been dealt. Sigh
Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here. Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.
[and we begin:]
Lor:
oooo, it's gonna be the Dean wandering around in jimjams, I mean hospital clothes, episode
Mace:
Ha! yep
Lor:
(I watched an S11 ep last night where Sam references Dean and John out after vamps when they were kids and we just watched that ep where John said he thought vamps were extinct and I was more annoyed by that inconsistency than is reasonable)
Mace:
(I would be too)
Lor:
oh, my beat up boys
(not you, John)
Mace:
ha!
poor Sammy
Lor:
yeah
god LOOK AT HIM
Mace:
yeah
Lor:
(I will forgive the nonsense of a car accident victim being dressed like that in the hospital because it looks so good)
Mace:
how many times are the boys the subject of the cold open, I wonder? Not very often, I think?
Lor:
yeah, not often
and... hmm. Every one I can THINK of involves one or both of them being dead or we're worried they are
Mace:
that makes sense, since the cold opens are all about people dying
Lor:
oh. YEP. they are
wow, I never... thought of that
Mace:
taps forehead
always thinkin'. that's me
Lor:
LOLOL
YES
Mace:
YOU TELL HIM SAMMY
Lor:
oh JEEZ. hold me back from going RIGHT through the TV and strangling John
LIAR
"well you sure know something"
Mace:
yep
I love Sammy saving the impala for Dean
Lor:
YES
he understands that Baby is Dean. UNLIKE SOME PEOPLE
Mace:
YUP
Lor:
"I gave you everything I ever had" OH DEAN
Mace:
"what the hell kind of father are you?"
There you go, Dean. THAT'S the question
Lor:
hold on to that feeling, baby.
Mace:
banged up and angry Sam is sending me someplace
Lor:
yyyep
"Dean is dying and you have a plan"
omg, Dean is pissed at John and heartbroken and he's STILL trying to get between John and Sam
Mace:
DO NOT PUT THAT ON SAMMY, JOHN
JFC
Lor:
RIGHT?!
"now what?"
Mace:
HAHAHA
Lor:
poor Dean. he's having a day
Mace:
yep. Sammy too
Lor:
yep
Mace:
but honestly, that's sort of the show
Lor:
lol. it IS
aw, listen to him rattling off lore
Mace:
he pays attention when Sammy talks. Adorable
Lor:
LOLOLOLOLOL
hey now
LIAR
Mace:
YUP
Lor:
"you can either roll over and die or you can fight"
Mace:
"you always have a choice” FUCK 327
Lor:
RIGHT?
Mace:
(327? I can't remember the number)
Lor:
it's like when they wrote the finale someone erased every episode of the show from their minds
Mace:
yup
Lor:
don't sit on a hospital floor! gaaaaah
Mace:
ha! honestly it's prolly pretty clean?
Lor:
Dean would only ever do this when he's a spirit, my little germophobe
Lor:
shudders
nopenopenope
Mace:
Sammy's relieved reaction is adorable
Lor:
YES
that gives me the SHIVERS even though we already KNOW that's what's happening
Mace:
"you can't kill death" HAHAHAHAHA
Oh Dean, honey
Lor:
lolololololol
Mace:
yeah, this is a pretty great episode
Lor:
YEP
spirit!Dean framed in the tubes supporting his body
Mace:
yeah cool
Lor:
"thanks for not giving up on me, Sammy" sobs
"you know, you read the most interesting things" THUD
Mace:
HA
Lor:
omg that shiver when she touches him
Mace:
yeah
the yellow eyes are so gross. sort of milky and just EW
Lor:
right?
"we were just starting to be brothers again" oooof
Mace:
"we were just starting to be brothers again" omg Sam
Lor:
YES
uh, he was in a car accident
how is that a warrior's death?
Mace:
well the enemy did stage the crash...
Lor:
okay, I’ll allow it
poor Tessa. Doin’ some of her best work
Mace:
HA!
Lor:
why does John do this? because he thinks Dean will have a better chance of helping Sam not turn evil than he does?
or is it bc he's afraid someone's gonna have to kill Sam to stop that and he's gonna leave that mess for Dean cause he can't do it himself?
or... wait. I guess originally he wasn't planning on bargaining with his own life
nevermind
pay attention, Lor
Mace:
Hm. I think he thinks it's what a father is supposed to do and it's heroic so that fits with what he's actually willing to do
Lor:
Dean's "what are you doing that for?" like he was getting okay with the idea and then he got scared
Mace:
YES THERE IS AN ANGEL WATCHING OVER HIM
Lor:
THERE IS
Mace:
"well that's specific"
YOU TELL HIM SAMMY
Lor:
lol
YES TELL HIM
Mace:
that cryptic shit is so tired
Lor:
yep
Sammy, you tell him, then take your brother and get away from him
Mace:
YES
Lor:
THAT IS NOT A POSITIVE MEMORY FOR DEAN, JOHN
CORRECT
Mace:
YUP
it's too little too late, but at least it's something, I guess?
Lor:
"it this really you talking?" OMG
Mace:
RIGHT?!
"why are you saying this stuff?" = "that sounds like a goodbye" and omg Dean Winchester you sad little muffin
Lor:
OMG YOU'RE RIGHT
EVERYONE DIES ON HIM and they just KEPT DOING IT instead of FINISHING THE STORY
Mace:
admission of tender feelings is always followed by loss for him and that's so flipping tragic
Lor:
YEP
[after the episode ended:]
Lor:
(the part of me that has a PhD in creative writing is INCANDESCENTLY peeved at the ABJECT failure of storytelling that was the finale. like, other parts of me are sad and hurt and other squishy ow feelings, but that bit? wants to THROW DOWN)
Mace:
AGREED. I am hurt for the characters but I am LIVID at the shitty writing
Lor:
EXACTLY
it's just especially galling that they had something pretty excellent set up and some awesome parallels right THERE. and just... nonsense. Tragic blither that ignored fifteen years of character development and themes
Mace:
YUP. It seems almost spitefully done. Like, fuck you and your fancy story arcs and show development maturity, I want to revert back to the macho bullshit This Show Is Only About The Boys nonsense and fuck all if it doesn’t even make logical sense.
Lor:
Ug YEP
And the thing is, if they wanted to kill off Dean in a stupid mundane way and have the whole show really just be an interlude in Sam's life before he ended up doing pretty much just what he would have otherwise (I think this always would have been a dumb ending, but if they ACTIVELY WANTED THAT), they could have set up S15 in a way that made that WORK as an ending. Something with inevitability and fate and God/Chuck and no longer being the heroes and etc BUT THEY DIDN'T DO THAT EITHER
Mace:
NOPE
in every way possible that last ep feels like a shitty writer went rogue
Lor:
Yep
It feels like the shitty first draft of a workshop story by a third-year undergrad who thinks tragedy and fatalism are automatically substantive and Art
Mace:
Yes. Who also feels threatened by the more talented women in the room and listens to Led Zeppelin because he knows he’s supposed to think they’re cool. And doesn’t actually understand why
Lor:
SNORK
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Rewatching Crossroad Blues
Welcome to “The Weasleys 100% Know about Goofer Dust: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!
Up today, s2e8: Crossroad Blues
The episode opens with a dramatization of the legend about the end of Robert Johnson’s life, with mysterious invisible hounds only he can see seemingly mauling him to death. When we join Sam and Dean, they are discussing the case of highly successful professionals dying after reporting hearing vicious dogs no one else can see. As the case progresses, they discover that all the people dying had been to the same dive bar at a crossroads, and eventually we get our first glimpse of the crossroads demon lore in Supernatural. As all this is unfolding, Sam and Dean become increasingly sure that John made some kind of demon deal trading his life for Dean’s, and this tears Dean up inside. As he confronts the crossroads demon associated with their case, Dean tries to get information out of her about what John did and briefly contemplates a deal of his own—to bring John back in exchange for Dean being damned to hell in ten years.
Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here. Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.
[and we begin:]
Lor:
yaaas the Robert Johnson episode
Mace:
YES
I LOVE the Robert Johnson mythology so much
Lor:
YES
Mace:
I much prefer to explain extraordinary talents in humans as deals with demons/fey than calling it "god-given"
so much more interesting
Lor:
oh YES
and it leaves the agency with the person. they choose to make the deal
Mace:
YESYESYES
Lor:
more interesting and it TELLS you something about them
Mace:
and it's much more logical - why would God bother to give someone super basketball talent but let children die of cancer? NOPE thanks but I don't buy it
Lor:
right?
aaahh boys picking on one another
Mace:
Ha! Yes!
DEAN WINCHESTER
Lor:
lololol
it's the GRIM
Mace:
SNORK
Lor:
wait. is the architect the same actor who played the wrestler in S...11?
Mace:
absolutely no idea
Lor:
I'll check later. I enjoy how many of the actors come back later
Mace:
YES
Lor:
awww, Dean you little hedonist you
Mace:
"some sort of porn site" OMG DEAN
Lor:
"is that some kind of porn site?" haaaaaaahahahahaha
he only reads the newspaper
Mace:
technologically challenged hedonist
Lor:
YES
Lor:
I hope she asked for the SKILL and EXPERTISE to be the chief surgeon along with the position
Mace:
Right?!
Lor:
mmmm Baby engine rumble
Mace:
YAS
god, I love the crossroads mythology
Lor:
YESYESYES
Mace:
I love that they get cozy enough with Crowley that they don't need to do all this, but I also miss it when they stop
Lor:
YES
Lor:
(this is how I feel about much of what changes on this show. I miss the old way but I ALSO like where they went)
Mace:
Agreed.
Lor:
I just love that they bothered to put all the Robert Johnson stuff in. it's SO great and gives it such an atmosphere but they wouldn't have HAD to
Mace:
YES
my goodness she's lovely in that dress
Lor:
YES
Mace:
and how she stands on tiptoe to kiss him
Lor:
YES
and her hair
Mace:
YAS
oh DEAN this attitude does not age well
Lor:
yeeeeah
Dean's indignation that Sam doesn't know Johnson's music. Dean. who, exactly, would have taught him that?
Mace:
HC: some girl he picks up in a bar in the south teaches him a deep-seated love for blues
and he takes it to heart
Lor:
oooooooo
Lor:
"you boys think you know something about something but not goofer dust"
I LOVE that line
Mace:
SNORK!
YES
I bet Bobby knows about it
Lor:
YEP
Dean Winchester. get off your high horse, boy
Mace:
YUP
and I love that they include the Foolish Wish element too
Lor:
YES
and the idea that the demon stuck around and made more deals and he feels bad about it
Mace:
YEP
Lor:
I mean, it's not really the DYING, Sammy. that's bad enough. it's the hell part
aaaaaas you babies will find out
Mace:
sweet innocent babies. they'll learn
Lor:
LOL
Mace:
HAHAHAHAHA omg
Lor:
aaaah #us
Mace:
YAS
Lor:
TELL YOUR WIFE YOU LOVE HER MORE OFTEN DUDE
Mace:
RIGHT?!
UGH CREEPY
Lor:
YES
haaaahahahahah the "beware of dog" sign on the fence
Mace:
SNORK!
Sam catching Dean's foot!
Lor:
haaaahaha Sam catching Dean's leg and that little shrug at him
YES
Mace:
HAHAHA
Lor:
"bowl the perfect game" DEAN
Mace:
oh DEAN
take notes here, Dean
Lor:
OOOOF Dean
Mace:
Again I say that this will not age well for you, Dean
Lor:
NOPE
oh RIGHT he's right smack in the middle of figuring out what John did and leaving them behind
just cycle that trauma, DeanDean
Mace:
snork!
Mace:
oh sweet baby Dean
Lor:
RIGHT?
someone wrap him in blankets and pet his hair
Mace:
YAS
YOU'RE WORTH IT, KITTEN
Lor:
YOU ARE, BABY
lolol the way Sam steps inside the goofer dust circle
Mace:
the way Sam quietly steps into the circle
Lor:
HAHAHAHAHA
Mace:
HAHAHA YES
Lor:
"your misery is the whole point. it's too much fun to watch" thaaaaat's the show
Mace:
YUP
Lor:
GOD the lip tremble
Mace:
RIGHT?!
Lor:
OMG DEAN
Mace:
YAAASSS
Lor:
the STUFF going on here with Dean and considering that deal. like he ISN'T but he IS and does he really WANT John back or does he JUST feel like his life isn't worth another’s
Mace:
YES
Mace:
it's like Black Widow "I got red in my ledger"
Lor:
YES
Mace:
Dean and the "violated" language
Lor:
YEP
Lor:
and the way when she was selling the idea of bringing John back she was getting all up in his space and he looked so uncomfortable
Mace:
yep
Aw, Sammy. "that's his legacy"
Lor:
UG keep going for YOURSELVES, Sammy, please
Mace:
he'd make SUCH a good counselor
Lor:
HE WOULD
Mace:
YES, but also that's not what Dean needs to hear right now, yeah?
Lor:
oooof Sammy asking him if he ever considered making that deal
Lor:
well SURE but
I might be having fuck 327 feelings
Mace:
HA
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Rewatching Hunted
Welcome to “The Sam Who Mistook His Fellow Yellow-Eyed Minion Friend for a Ring: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!
Up today: S2E10: Hunted
The cold open follows a young man describing his strange new powers to a psychiatrist. He is disturbed by his abilities and not getting much help. When his session is over, he is brutally murdered by an unseen assailant. Then Sam and Dean argue about John’s declaration that Dean would have to kill Sam if he couldn’t stop Sam from becoming evil. Dean wants to just cut and run to keep Sam safe, but Sam’s not having it. A tense scene follows of Sam breaking into an abandoned building and getting blown up, but wait—it’s a nightmare, of course. But it isn’t Sam’s nightmare? It’s a young woman we’ve never seen before waking up in a sweat and a panic. When Sam runs off to investigate the death of the young man from the opening, he meets Eva, the woman who had the nightmare—who’s come to warn him that she saw his death in a dream and that he’s in danger. Sam and Eva continue to look into the death until Gordon, who thinks Sam’s powers mean he should be hunted and killed, arrives and makes trouble. Gordon kidnaps Dean and uses him as bait to bring Sam to the very situation Eva saw in her dream. The boys make it through, of course, (after a few very tense moments), and Sam sets Gordon up for arrest. When Eva doesn’t answer her phone, Sam and Dean go to check on her, but find her fiancé dead in pools of his own blood in bed. There’s no sign of Eva, but her engagement ring is on the bedroom floor.
Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here. Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.
[and we begin:]
Lor:
the use of this music here is brilliant and kind of freaky
Mace:
agreed
Lor:
the way the scene escalates as the music escalates
makes me wonder if they picked the song first before they wrote the scene. or maybe you can just manipulate the footage you have to make it work in editing
Mace:
interesting
I have no idea how that sort of thing works
Lor:
me either
I can recognize that they did a thing with the pacing, but no clue how they make that work
Mace:
yeah
Lor:
oh boys. our poor babies
Mace:
right?
and Dean still being stupidly loyal to John
Lor:
yeeeah
and I can't decide who I feel worse for and I just circle back to fuck John
Mace:
YUP
i feel awful for both of them
Lor:
YUP
and poor Dean is like let's just run away. which is SO NOT HIM. only for Sammy
Mace:
YES
he’s choosing flight because he’s so scared he won’t be able to save Sammy if they stay and fight
Lor:
YEP
and the idea that he could be faced with having to decide if he's gonna kill his brother
Mace:
YEP
Lor:
which is EXACTLY where they end up but not til season FIVE and just. One show should not luck into/stumble onto so many neat resonances like that. I mean, it's one thing if it was aaaaalll planned beforehand but
HA! this fakeout
Mace:
snork! agreed
and YES to the fakeout!
Lor:
I love the idea of Dean just absolutely making the road house phone ring off the hook
Mace:
yep
Lor:
oh, never mind about that drama we stirred up a few eps ago...
Mace:
SNORK!
god, Sam can do the hurt puppy look so well
Lor:
he really REALLY can
ha! Supermassive Black Hole
is that the most recent song that's ever on the show?
Mace:
no idea but possibly
Lor:
I mean, I don't either, but it jumped out to me as having been recorded, like, after they were born
Mace:
snork!
Lor:
DANG Sam is good at this getting people to talk bit
Mace:
he SO IS
UGH I hate that they make us kind of love this girl now
Lor:
RIGHT?
hahahahaha I love someone else giving a Winchester the “there's weird shit” speech
Mace:
YES
Lor:
lolol her delivery on "one of who?" I love it
Mace:
YES
and it’s hilarious that she thinks Sam’s nuts instead of believing that they’re alike
Lor:
LOL YEP
Mace:
“your weirdo ass” HAHAHA
Lor:
his weirdo ass would help you address those invitations
LOL
Mace:
HE WOULD
he’s such a sweetheart
Lor:
YES
omg poprocks and coke
Mace:
YAS
Lor:
"thank god you're okay"
Mace:
OMG DEAN “Sam you sly dog"
Lor:
LOLOLOL YES
Mace:
oh god I JUMPED at the shot
Lor:
ME TOO
Mace:
what a dummy
HAHAHA
Lor:
I FORGOT about this part. I mean I remember about the later stuff in this ep with Gordon, but
"you'd do that to my brother?" pets him
Mace:
I even remembered it was coming but STILL jumped
YES
Lor:
lol
Mace:
“DUDE. WHO ARE YOU"
Lor:
her gesture and the little noise!
"I watch a lot of TJ Hooker" omg what a thing to pull out
Mace:
I love that he calls Dean when he realizes he needs him no hesitation
Lor:
YES
FUNKY TOWN
Mace:
YAS
Lor:
"he thought of it"
Mace:
of course he did no question
Lor:
"sorry I shouldn't laugh"
Mace:
snork!
Lor:
oof the look on Dean's face
Mace:
YES
“doesn’t matter. it’s my brother"
Lor:
YES
I love him so much I'd definitely, you know, call 911 if he got bad hurt or anything...
Mace:
HAHAHA
Lor:
species, Gordon
Mace:
do NOT call him Sammy, Gordon
Lor:
RIGHT?
HOW much do I wish they'd made either Gordon or Victor a recurring GOOD GUY (I'd have preferred Victor, but whatever)
Mace:
RIGHT?!
Lor:
cause honestly Sterling K. Brown does an AMAZING job here
Mace:
he does
Lor:
god that silohoutte
silouhette
FUCK IT
Mace:
HAAAHAHAHAHA
Mace:
yes, Dean has the best silo hoot I’ve ever seen
Lor:
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
the way he's pushing all Dean's buttons and it's working
Mace:
yeah
and Jensen is PLAYING this scene
Lor:
YES
his microexpressions and body language is just spot on
Mace:
YEP
of course Gordon aligns with John
Lor:
that makes John a horrible person, GORDON
Mace:
YEP
Lor:
oooof Dean
Mace:
right?!
Lor:
god that scene. kills me
Mace:
YEP
Lor:
haaaaahahahahaha and they've faked us out again
I LOVE IT
Mace:
YES
don’t worry, Gordo, he’ll circle back round and get you later
Lor:
HA yep
"it's Sam"
Mace:
YAS
Lor:
the way Dean shakes his arms cause he wants out of the ropes
Mace:
YES
Lor:
the WAY HE LOOKS AT HIM AND THEN IS READY TO GO MURDER GORDON
Mace:
YAS
Gordon calls himself a hunter and then holds his gun sideways like an idiot
Lor:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA yep
so this is very clever of Sammy but I really hate watching this scene
Mace:
YUP
I both revel that Gordon is getting his but am super uncomfortable with the idea of just how much he’s gonna get
Lor:
YEP
and just that image of the police cars swarming on a black man. just, we could not
Mace:
the worried look on Dean’s face when he realizes that now he has to worry about hunters too
Lor:
oooo that fog/mist coming out of the woods onto the road
Mace:
AGREED
Lor:
THAT'S NOT FUNNY, DEAN
YEP
Mace:
“screw the job” Oh DEAN
Lor:
"I'm sick of the job anyway"
maybe in, oh, 14 years or so you should settle down with your very own angel, Dean
Mace:
HAHAHA YES
Lor:
"are you sweet on her?" that's kind of an adorable way to put that. and... old fashioned?
Mace:
it really is
Dean doesn’t look a bit surprised
Lor:
he does not
no, Sam, that's a ring
Mace:
snork!
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Rewatching Devil’s Trap
Welcome to “Wooof, It Stinks Like Daddy Issues in Here: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!
Up today, s1e22: Devil’s Trap
Meg calls Dean to gloat that she’s captured John. The boys go to Bobby, an old family friend, for help. (We squee.) Bobby explains that demonic possessions are way up (that’s bad) and helps them snare Meg in a devil’s trap. They torture Meg for info on John, and in the process discover that Meg is a human possessed by a demon. They exorcise her but can’t save the human Meg. Sam and Dean proceed to rescue John from the other demons. Eventually Dean realizes that John has been possessed since they rescued him (because he’s BEING TOO NICE), and a fraught showdown ensues. In the fight, Dean is badly injured by possessed John, and the episode draws to a close with Sam and exorcised!John arguing about their next move—go straight after the demon or get Dean medical help. Then: whammo! The Impala is T’ed by a semi.
Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here. Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.
[and we begin:]
Lor:
oh right. pre Carry On My Wayward Son
Mace:
Ha! Yep
Cripes, the Previously Ons are half the episode this time
Lor:
right?
Mace:
the quaver in Dean's voice when he says "they've got Dad"
Lor:
YES
I was just gonna say that
Mace:
"listen tough guy" DEAN
Lor:
LOL
this episode. the stuff with Dean and John what isn't actually John. just kills me
Mace:
YUP
and how he knows it's not actually John is such a gut punch
Lor:
YES
oh boys
Mace:
yeah. let the 14-some-odd-seasons of fraught begin.
Lor:
YEP
Mace:
BOBBY
Lor:
BOOOOBBBY
Mace:
HAHAHA
lookit his cute little curls in his hair in the back
Lor:
YES
I LOVE that the last time Bobby saw John he threatened to shoot him
Mace:
he's been on screen for a whole 30 seconds and he's already 1000% times a better father figure than John
Lor:
CORRECT
He's treating them like adult humans he has affection for, so
Mace:
YAS
while John fannies about with his Colt and his over-developed sense of vengeance...
Lor:
YEP
poor Rumsfeld
Mace:
his dog's name is Rumsfeld OMG
Lor:
lololol
Mace:
(for the record that was a mix of quotes from Bridget Jones and Princess Bride. I am impressed with myself, to be honest)
Lor:
(lolololol)
Mace:
Dean's "gotcha" nnnggg
Lor:
YAAAAAS
whatever that little thing he did with his lip there.... mrrrrf
Mace:
YES
Lor:
I want to know if John knows this and didn't tell them or if he's just too dumb
Mace:
again, Bobby is a much better dad to them - he doesn't yell at them or make Dean feel like he's an idiot for not knowing about how possession works. he just calmly explains it
Lor:
YES
oh Dean, baby, thinking he can march into hell
Mace:
not realizing that he...will...
Lor:
yeah
"I LIED"
Mace:
I'm...not sure why Sam is uncomfortable with this. I mean. Demon.
Lor:
is he uncomfortable or does he just think they can still use her?
Mace:
he seems troubled to me
Lor:
yeah, he did then when he went back to it
Mace:
always with the water and blankets
Mace:
like they're some sort of miracle cure-all
Lor:
LOL
(if they are willing to call 911 here, for a girl who is broken to bits and they have NO explanation for why, there is NO WAY Sam could not have called 911 for Dean in the finale)
Mace:
(RIGHT?!?!)
Lor:
at least the blankets might help if she's going into shock
the water is probably a terrible idea
Mace:
snork
Lor:
don't introduce stuff into a broken system!
John should have lived so they could bring him round to Bobby's and then the first time he said shit to one of them, Bobby could have decked him
Mace:
omg the way Sam twirls the pen I CANNOT
Lor:
we deserved to see it
Mace:
YES
Lor:
YES
lololol Dean
Mace:
Ha! but Smarty Sammy!
Lor:
YES
oh dEAN
Mace:
yeah
sweet little kettle
Lor:
lolol YES
he's so afraid of everyone dying and leaving him alone holds him
Mace:
yep
"this sucks out loud"
Lor:
YES
omg 2006
7 minutes exactly?
Mace:
snork
Lor:
is that a thing? I don't think that's a thing
Mace:
yeah I have no idea
Mace:
a yorkie, Dean? really?
Lor:
"I got a Yorkie upstairs and he pees when he's nervous" OMG
DEAN
pets him
Mace:
FIREFIGHTER OUTFITS
DED
Lor:
OMG
he wanted to be a firefighter... because of his mom dying in a fire?
Mace:
I suspect it was before she died, when he was still a kid and was allowed to have When I Grow Up I Want To Be thoughts...
Lor:
mmm. that is certainly less heartbreaking
Mace:
post mom-on-ceiling John would never allow for such dreams.
you're welcome.
Lor:
lol. thanks
Mace:
hey, any time. s'what I'm here for.
Lor:
locking the door and the hatchet coming through it right after!
Mace:
yes! very The Shining
is that Carson Daley?
Lor:
I have no idea
Mace:
(I was trying for a joke - he just looked like him)
Lor:
omg that shot of Dean with the joke
Lor:
(SNORK sorry)
Mace:
DEAN WITH THE JOKE HAHAHAHA
Lor:
GUN
DAMMIT
get outta my head, MACE
Mace:
braces self for THE SCENE
Lor:
ooof, yep
Mace:
"I'm trying to thank you here" Yes, DeanDean, bE GRACIOUS
Lor:
this scene where Dean pleads with possessed John not to let the demon kill him? that lived in my head from the moment I saw it 2006 all the way up till we started watching it 2019
Mace:
ooof
Lor:
"for you or dad, the things I'm willing to do or kill... it scares me sometimes" THAT'S IT THAT'S THE SHOW
Mace:
"you're not mad?" sounds of my heart breaking
YUP
Lor:
YES
Mace:
my god he looks so confused at the praise from John
FUUUUCKKK YOU JOHN
Lor:
UG. the way it's telling him what he's wanted to hear from his Dad since he was five
RIGHT?
Mace:
"he'd be furious"
oh DEAN WINCHESTER YOU SWEET SAD THING
Lor:
"he wouldn't be proud of me. he'd tear me a new one"
SOMEONE HOLD HIM
Mace:
Ha! Sammy's "what the hell"
Lor:
lol
Sam's "Dean, how do you know?" it's a genuine question, not, like, an accusation
Mace:
SAM CHOOSES DEAN YAS I LOVE YOU SAMMY
Lor:
YES
Jeffrey Dean Morgan is so good here
Mace:
HE IS
Lor:
I mean, it's not like John hasn't metaphorically been tearing Dean apart for 24 years
Mace:
RIGHT?!
okay they used that "oh that's right" joke twice in one episode. come on, guys.
Lor:
seriously
he just put his finger on so much of Dean. hiding behind the humor.
Mace:
YUP
Lor:
the way the demon is literally just speaking the truth
Mace:
i love that trope of the bad guy speaking awful truth to the hero
Lor:
YES
Mace:
SMARTY SAM
Lor:
YES
ooo, and this is the first time someone who loves Dean overcomes possession in order to not hurt him
Mace:
YEP
Lor:
omg the dual begging of Sam
Mace:
YES
this is one of my favorite season endings
Lor:
YES
Mace:
so BLAMMO good
HA! I still jump every time!
Lor:
YES
"no sir, not everything" and then Sam looking in the rearview at Dean
Mace:
YES
poor Baby
Lor:
right?
She gets banged up SO many times
Mace:
she does
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Rewatching Everybody Loves a Clown
Welcome to “Something Winchester This Way Comes: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!
Up today, s2,e2: Everybody Loves a Clown
The boys are hanging out at Bobby’s, reeling from John’s death. Dean buries himself in fixing Baby, while Sam tries to get him to open up about his grief. When they discover an old voicemail on John’s phone from someone called Ellen, they head off to find her and discover she runs a roadhouse with her daughter Jo where hunters tend to hang out. She puts them on the case of a carnival with a carnivorous clown, and off they go. Once they take care of the clown (poor Sammy), it’s back to Bobby’s, more emotional wrangling, and Dean ends up taking a crowbar to Baby (and so essentially also to himself and therefore to our hearts.)
Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here. Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.
[and we begin:]
Lor:
god the LOOK on Dean's face when John pulls away after telling him
Mace:
right?
UGH
CREEPY CLOWN
Lor:
yeeah, I hate the creepy clowns ones
except I love them because poor Sammy
this kid looks so much like the child of one of my high school friends. it is uncanny
Mace:
ha! weird
I kind of love the detail that the kiddo isn't actually scared of the clown at all
Lor:
yeah
that is a really neat touch
oooof Sammy crying and Dean just staring blankly ahead
Mace:
Right?! Somebody hug them both so tight
Lor:
YES
Mace:
watch out, Dean, your pants are on fire
Lor:
SNORK
OH JEEZ
it's the mechanic Dean bit
THUD
Mace:
LEGS POKING OUT THE BOTTOM OF THE CAR
the red rag in the back pocket
falls down ded
Lor:
the little ROLL
Mace:
YES
Lor:
also, not to be missed: Sam's polo over a tshirt
Mace:
YES
and the shaggy hair with the little curly flip
Lor:
YES
the grease on DEAN
Mace:
YAS
the little cut on the bridge of Sammy's nose
Lor:
YES
and his STUPID ADORABLE single gel bracelet
Mace:
YES
and how that stupid tshirt hangs perfectly on Dean's stupid frame
Lor:
RIGHT?
Bobby ABSOLUTELY gave them that van bc he was tired of Dean being a prickly mope
Mace:
HAHAHAHA YAAASSS BOBBY
(And Dean would make a GREAT soccer mom. And he knows it.)
Lor:
(YEAH HE WOULD)
(also the bit before about him and Sam hugging? YES YOU TWO SHOULD DO THAT.)
"naw I’m just real happy to see you"
Mace:
(YES)
"I need some help in here"
HAHAHAHA
Lor:
Dean being all smarty and then Jo just clocking him. I LOVE IT
Mace:
I wish I liked these women better than I do, but I just...don't
Lor:
agreed
I like Ellen okayish. sometimes. Jo is the best right there. all downhill from here
Mace:
Yep
but I can't put my finger on what's wrong with their characters? We get so few strong women in this show, but something's just missing with these two
Lor:
yeah
it's like they are too conscious of making them strong, maybe?
Mace:
I think that's getting to it
they're caricatures of strong women?
something like that
Lor:
like neither of them hold a candle to Missouri or Jody or Donna or Charlie or Rowena or even Mildred
Mace:
yep
Ash, on the other hand, is PERFECT
Lor:
YES
and whatever Dean is doing here interacting with him is...flirting? or something?
I’m not going to hang anything on Ash/Dean, but like, they have more chemistry than Dean and Jo
“51 hours”
Mace:
well he's already made a "I know what it's like to have a penis poking me from behind" joke in this scene...
Lor:
LOLOLOLOL
and he stops him from leaving just to tell him he likes the hair? which is supposed to be a dig but... isn't?
(which is how Dean operates, it's not new, but)
Mace:
yeah
Lor:
THAT HENLEY
Mace:
YAS
no one actually wants in your pants, Jo, cool your jets
Lor:
SNORK
look, if Dean Winchester wants to get me pizza and play some Zepp for me, I’m good
Mace:
RIGHT?!
Lor:
"PLANES CRASH"
oh Dean
Mace:
"AND APPARENTLY CLOWNS KILL"
Lor:
yaaas
Mace:
Just having finished Something Wicked This Way Comes, this is extra-creepy
Lor:
oooo
I SAW you really liked that
Mace:
Bradbury can do no wrong
Lor:
weirdly, I snared myself a copy thinking I might read it right around Halloween and then didn't. I should read it, huh?
Mace:
you absolutely should
Lor:
cool
adds it to a teetering pile next to the couch
Mace:
excellent!
Lor:
CLOWNS ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS
Mace:
DO NOT tell your child that a group of people generally are your friends
Lor:
what the ACTUAL heckles, dude? I mean, even if you don't want your kid to be afraid of them, WHAT?
Mace:
JFC
Lor:
RIGHT?
serves him right. I mean, clowns are your friends
Mace:
HAAAHAHAHA
YES
HAHAHA poor Sam
Lor:
YES
Mace:
omg the curled lip look Sam gives Dean
Lor:
YES
also, how much do I love Sam and Dean working at a carnival? the outsider stuff just INHERENT in it
Mace:
YAS
and they don't even belong THERE
doubly outside
Lor:
RIGHT?
omg Dean
Sam's "not really"
Mace:
MR. COOPER
that's the name of one of the carnival characters in the Bradbury
Lor:
oh COOL
omg Sammy's laugh
Mace:
YAS
Lor:
"Nope"
Mace:
"NOPE" omg Dean
I'm sorry, but a grown man calling his father "Daddy" is skeezy
Lor:
ah. I am inoculated against this I think. South
Mace:
"live regular" OMG
Lor:
this dude telling Sam and Dean to live regular
YES
Mace:
that's so heartbreaking
Lor:
YEP
Mace:
the cautious hope in Dean's voice here
Lor:
yeah
oh boys
both of them are just giant bundles of conflicted feelings about everything here
Does Dean want Sam to go back to school or stay? Is he mad about what Sam wants, whatever it is? What DOES Sam want?
Mace:
oh sure, just here. only here.
Lor:
lololol
yep. only here
the rest of the time they know precisely what they want
Mace:
YUP
Lor:
DEAN WINCHESTER
Mace:
I sort of think part of Dean's anger here is at himself for being so vulnerable at what Sam's decision will be
Lor:
YEP
"skeleton, actually"
"I was just sweepin"
Mace:
"we don't like outsiders"
Lor:
YES
their little red windbreakers
Mace:
HOW do they look so good in those stupid windbreakers?
Mace:
OMG LOR
Lor:
MACE
I love it when we do that
Mace:
YAS
Lor:
of COURSE they had some sort of falling out it was JOHN
correct, Sammy
Mace:
YAS SAMMY
"this strong silent thing it's crap"
SING IT SAMMY
Lor:
but Mace, HE'S FINE
Mace:
oh DEAN NOPE BACK OFF
Lor:
yeeeah
Mace:
Now he's done it. Now Sammy's really mad
Lor:
they both need a minute
OMG THE CHEWING ON HIS FINGERS
Mace:
Dean needs a minute in the time-out corner
Lor:
I'll uh tell him
Mace:
oh sure
Sam's little smile
THUD
Lor:
YES
and the two of them walking along an empty road carrying all their stuff
I love it
Mace:
YES
UGH THE WAY HIS FACE CHANGES
Lor:
RIGHT?
so creepy
it's a maze, just like their feeeelings
Mace:
HAHAHAHAHA OMG
dude, Sammy, they're steaming so they're probably HOT
Lor:
LOLOL
Mace:
SMARTY DEAN
Lor:
YAS
"I hate funhouses" CORRECT
Mace:
yup
Lor:
no he wouldn't Ellen and you know it
Mace:
yeah
"Clowns?! What the..."
HAHAHA
Lor:
so I DO believe that Dean is afraid of Ellen, but also. that is not why, Dean. you're just not in the mood. that's okay, baby
Lor:
lololol
Mace:
agreed. and Jo isn't really his type
Lor:
nope
"it's a school in Boston"
Mace:
YAS ASH
Lor:
YES
Lor:
and Dean's little grin. you're right, Dean, Ash is more interesting than Jo
Mace:
YUP
Lor:
oh GAWD it's the kneeling and the biceps
Mace:
aaand we're back with the greasy tshirt THUD
YAS
Lor:
YAAAS
Mace:
oh Sammy
OH SAMMY
Lor:
yeah
Mace:
SOMEBODY HOLD HIM
Lor:
"and I'm not all right. not at all. but neither are you"
YES
Mace:
YOU TELL HIM SAM
Lor:
someone just WRAP THEM UP
Mace:
and here it comes
Lor:
oh DEAN
Mace:
Baby's condition = Dean's condition
Always
Lor:
this kills me, him wailing on Baby
Lor:
YEP
and it's like he's hammering on himself
Mace:
yep
Lor:
the lip tremble
jeeebus
Mace:
yep
he needs an angel in a trenchcoat to come and fix him up
Lor:
HE DOES
[after the episode ended:]
Lor:
is this one of the longest times we see them with persistent visible injuries?
Mace:
i suspect so, yes
Lor:
their faces are both very clearly banged up and it lasts a long time
Mace:
yes!
Lor:
I just love that detail so much, where they only stay injured if it matters
Mace:
YES
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Rewatching Dead Man’s Blood
Welcome to “Machete Size Apparently Matters: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!
Up today, s1e20: Dead Man’s Blood
An old hunter is attacked and killed by a group of vampires. When Sam and Dean go to investigate, they run into John, who shares that the vamps stole an old Colt from the hunter that can kill “anything.” The boys and John team up (not without some serious friction) to try to clear out the vamp nest and steal the gun. John thinks the Colt is finally the answer to how to kill the demon who killed Mary. Bring a machete because there’s lots of fraught to hack through in this one. Plus, it’s handy for beheading vampires.
Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here. Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.
[and we begin:]
Lor:
grrrrrr
Mace:
ugh, I have an actual, visceral reaction when Sam calls him Sir.
Lor:
RIGHT?
Mace:
How fun would it have been to be in the prop dept and help make those hunting journals?!
Lor:
YES
Mace:
If we ever cosplay the boys together, we NEED to make one
Lor:
OMG
that would be SO COOL
Mace:
YES
Lor:
Dean and his newspaper
Mace:
YES
"boys, we're eating in tonight" if any vampire actually said that, the others would sooo make fun of them, honestly
Lor:
hahahaha right?
Mace:
Aw, Dean wants Sammy to have a girlfriend
Lor:
yeah
"or oops I spilled the popcorn salt"
Mace:
HA!
...
now I want popcorn
Lor:
LOLOLOLOL
YEP
do they keep Elkins's journal? I don't think anyone ever mentions it again, but jeez, take that with you
Mace:
Oooh, excellent question! I don't know. Maybe there's a CODE and you don't touch another man's journal unless he says it's okay...
Lor:
oooo maybe
Mace:
SMARTY DEAN MAKING A SQUEEZE
Lor:
god, Dean pressing the paper down into the blood so it doesn't move
Mace:
yep
FUCK YOU JOHN
Lor:
FUCK OFF, JOHN, jeeeeesus
Mace:
Sammy smells the bullshit that John came for this dead friend but keeps away from his own sons
Lor:
YEP
apparently he didn't teach you not to knock on the window like that and scare the crap out of your kids
Mace:
YEP
Aha! John isn't there because of his dead friend but for the fucking gun
Lor:
YEP
Mace:
I forget that they've not encountered vampires yet
Lor:
he THouGhT tHeY wERe EXtinCT
yeah
Mace:
(Buffy would kick John's ass so hard)
Lor:
I feel like he isn't even that good at his job
(YES)
Mace:
NOPE
I mean, there's no evidence that he is. He's well known to demons not for his own sake but because of his sons
Lor:
yeah
Mace:
Makes Dean's worship of him that much more tragically skewed
Lor:
I think maybe some people say he is? but also he seems to have had a falling out with... everyone
yeah
Mace:
OHO, don't question dad, Sammy
FUUUUUCK YOU JOHN
Lor:
and the way he doesn't tell them ANYTHING
Mace:
YEP
you know, I kind of love this idea now, that John actually isn't anything special at all.
Lor:
god he does things to make them feel SMALL. i HATE him
Mace:
OH FUCK YOU SO HARD JOHN DO NOT TALK ABOUT BABY LIKE THAT
Lor:
ooo YES
Mace:
YESYESYES
Lor:
RIGHT?
Dean loves that car like it is HIMSELF don't be such a JERK
oh, Sam is driving
Mace:
Sam is the chosen one for the yellow eyed war, Dean is chosen by Chuck, ffs. They're the ones that matter. John is in fact nothing. and maybe he senses that and it bothers him
Lor:
ooooo
Mace:
oh submissive DEAN
Lor:
YEP
do you hear that, John? revenge isn't worth much if you end up dead
OR YOUR KIDS DO
Mace:
YUP
Ooooh, angry Sammy
I LOVE IT
Lor:
YES
poor Dean, getting between them
Mace:
yeah
"and I said no" YAS SAMMY
Lor:
YAAAS
Mace:
but poor Dean saying "stop it, both of you"
Lor:
yeah
oh Dean. I just want to wrap him in blankets. this isn't supposed to be your job, baby
Mace:
yeah
vampires just shouldn't be skanky
it's wrong
Lor:
no
like, they are immortal, why are they living in a crap barn being crappy?
Mace:
right?!
Lor:
FUCK YOU JOHN. FUCK YOU AND YOUR BIGGER MACHETE
Mace:
YUP
Lor:
so I will never watch it again, so I'll never know I guess, but is the barn in 327 supposed to be this barn?
Mace:
no idea
stupid 327
WHO CARES
Lor:
i suppose knowing where they're both set would help
but that's Jenny, right? the woman they turned?
Mace:
yeah? is she in the last ep? I have blocked most of it from memory
Lor:
yeah, she's the like head vampire of the nest they're fighting in that one
Mace:
ah
"you gotta understand something: I'm a raging douchebag."
Lor:
HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
you became their abuser
Mace:
YUP
Lor:
it never occurred to him what Sam wanted? JESUS
Mace:
yeah
my god, Jared has a gorgeous smile
Lor:
YES
I do love that they frame Sam as the one who is like John
Mace:
yeah that's clever
Lor:
"you know what to do" and then cut to Dean as bait
I HATE HIM
Mace:
YEP
Lor:
and it's sexualized too
Mace:
of course it is
Lor:
YES DEAN
omg the way his voice breaks
Mace:
YAS
Lor:
the way Sam yells at John and Dean pleads with him
Mace:
yeah
Lor:
that's probably personality difference, but I wonder if it's also partly bc Dean remembers when John wasn't like this
Mace:
hm, maybe
i lean more toward personality
Lor:
yeah I think I do too, honestly
I don't like the way he's dealing with these vampires either. like, it's almost cruel
the rope? using the feelings they have for each other against them? gross, John
Mace:
hm. yeah, but I think sam and dean do similar things, no?
we just hate John
Lor:
I am conveniently forgetting that fact
Mace:
Ha! I suspected as much
Lor:
lol
Mace:
oooh rebel Dean I LOVE IT
Lor:
"I am?"
YES
[after the episode ended]
Lor:
I feel like there was a lot of vampire lore in there they abandon after this ep
Mace:
yeah? I can’t keep track
we really don’t see a lot of vampires
that one really old dude
and a couple of eps here and there
Lor:
yeah
The vamps’ eyes do a thing in this one I don’t think we see again? and that stuff about a vampire once getting your scent never leaving you alone. and the herbs stuff so they can’t smell you
yeah, they aren’t around super a lot
Mace:
ah yeah, I think you’re right about that
Lor:
but there’s the whole Gordon thing. and then that nest Dean is a part of for a hot second in S6
Mace:
Oh I forgot about that
and BENNY HOW COULD I FORGET BENNY
Lor:
Mace:
I’m so sorry, teddy bear. hold it against me
Lor:
HAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Rewatching Something Wicked
Welcome to “Oh, DEEEEAAAN: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!
Up today, s1e18: Something Wicked
Something is causing kids to fall into comas and wither away. And John has sent the boys (cryptically, of course) to check it out. Through their investigation, and with the help of some flashbacks to the boys’ childhood, we learn that the something is a striga and that it attacked Sammy on nine-year-old Dean’s watch. John blamed Dean. Dean blames Dean. And now John has sent Dean to take care of his “unfinished business.” Which he does, with the help of another young boy who cares deeply for a little brother. But before the striga is completely dead, it goes after Sam. Big brother Dean is not okay with that. The boys have a moment. Also, Sam wears The Best Shirt Ever Made.
Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here. Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.
[and we begin:]
Lor:
oooo, I love this one
Mace:
this is the doc who's actually a strega or something right?
Lor:
yep
Mace:
yeah this is a cool one
Lor:
the bony hand shadow separating out from the branch shadow!
such a cool shot
Mace:
YEP. V. creepy
Lor:
"because I'm the oldest, which means I'm always right"
Mace:
omg the little smile
Lor:
and then his little smirk
Lor:
YAAAAS
SMARTY SAMMY
Mace:
YAS
I mean, I'd never have thought of that
Lor:
and then Dean picks up on it without any more prompting
RIGHT?
me either
HANNAAAAAH
Mace:
Is this the second time we've seen her?
Lor:
yep
Mace:
cool
Mace:
bikini inspector HAHAHAHA
Lor:
wait, hang on, kids are getting sick, so the parents are keeping them away from each other? sounds unlikely
Mace:
snork! RIGHT?!
OMG THE SNICKER
Lor:
LOLOLOLOL YES
Lor:
lolololol I love how freaked out he is
Mace:
Yes! And I love that the creepy old lady turns out just to be a creepy old red herring
Lor:
YES
Mace:
I feel like this episode may mark the start of the shift of the show toward Dean-centric...
Lor:
ooooo interesting
Mace:
the flashbacks, if I remember right, are about him being Sam's caretaker, right?
and his relationship with the motel kiddo
Lor:
yeah
Mace:
this one is certainly more about Dean's background than Sam's
Lor:
definitely
is Dean's hair darker than usual in this one?
Mace:
and it sets the stage for moving Sam into more of a supportive little brother role
Mace:
hm, dunno
Sam's looks dark too
Lor:
maybe it's just the lighting
Mace:
yeah
"you know I'm not stupid"
Lor:
"you know I'm not stupid" ooof
Mace:
oh DEAN
Lor:
HA!
Mace:
also, FUCK YOU JOHN
Lor:
YES
Mace:
most important = watch out for Sammy FUUUUCK YOU JOHN
Lor:
"it only takes one mistake" FUCK YOU JOHN JUST FUCK YOU SIDEWAYS
Mace:
HE IS YOUR CHILD NOT YOUR CO PARENT
Lor:
no wonder he holds himself accountable for everything and abuses substances JEEEBBBUSSS
gaaaawd the creaking of Baby's doors
swoons
Mace:
yes!
Lor:
lolol this little shit of a kid
Mace:
YAS
oh DEAN
Lor:
oh, Dean
and Sammy offering him the prize
I CANNOT
Mace:
RIGHT?!
UGH
Lor:
PURPLE DOG SHIRT
Mace:
YAS
well, you'd *think* it's Latin but not the way you're pronouncing it, Sammy, honey
Lor:
HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
what did Dean just take out of his bag? is that his OWN JOURNAL?
Mace:
Oooh, I don't know! I wasn't paying attention
the fact that Dean didn't grow up to resent Sammy so much that he couldn't stand to be in the same room with him, but instead loves him with the fiercest brotherly love ever witnessed by man is just...amazing
Lor:
RIGHT?
the LOVE on that boy
no wonder Cas falls for him the second he touches him
Mace:
RIGHT?!?!
Lor:
"an old person, huh? in a hospital? better call the coast guard"
lolololololol DEAN
Mace:
OMG HAHAHAHA the old lady jump scare
Lor:
the hand over his face
YAAAAAAAS
Mace:
YES
adorable, these two
Lor:
the LOOKS over the crucifix I LOVE THEM
Mace:
YAS
Lor:
SAMMY GIGGLING
Mace:
omg SAMMY'S LAUGH
YAS
Lor:
YAAAAS
A CHILD LOOKS SAD DEAN MUST FIX
Mace:
YAS
oh DEAN
he KNOWS exactly what this kid is feeling
Listen to yourself, Dean
Lor:
the way he works SO HARD to make sure no other kid has the childhood trauma he does
Mace:
TAKE YOUR OWN COMFORT
Lor:
RIGHT?
Mace:
YES
nothing hurts Sammy and nothing hurts kids
the Dean Rule Book
Lor:
YES
and nothing can be any kid's fault because everything is Dean's fault
Mace:
YUP
just another way in which Dean is SPN's Jesus - he takes the faults of the kiddos onto himself
Lor:
YES
oooof Dean. that is what it looks like when a man is using his all not to punch you
Mace:
YES
Dean, I love you, but don't use the phrase "burned a clip in him"
Lor:
yeeeeeah
Mace:
"he sent us here"
oooooo
this is a really interesting take on protecting the kids - Dean's version vs Sam's
Lor:
yeah
so John was hunting a thing that goes after kids and he left his two kids alone right in its path?
god I hate him
Mace:
RIGHT?!
And poor Dean. The one time he takes a minute just to be a flipping KID...
Lor:
RIGHT
Mace:
FUUUUCK YOUUU JOOOOHN
Lor:
and what TF was Dean gonna do about it if he had been there?
Mace:
RIGHT?!
Lor:
"he looked at me different. which was worse. not that I blame him" DEEEEEEAN
Mace:
"he gave me an order and I didn't listen"
parents doN'T GIVE ORDERS
Lor:
and then he passive-aggressively sends Dean to go clean it up now
WHAT A DICK
Mace:
YEP
"i'd give anything not to tell you this"
DEEEEAAAN
Lor:
I do love that Dean asks the kid for help and when he says no he drops the idea
Mace:
YES
Sammy having healthy expectations about kids and Dean knowing kids are actually capable of more I LOVE THEM BOTH
Lor:
YES
he prepares him for what's gonna happen I love him so much
Mace:
Dean prepping him for the gunshot is so sweet
YES
Lor:
YES
the fact he even THINKS OF THAT
Mace:
"it's okay I won't be mad" Oh DEAN
Lor:
RIGHT?
Mace:
so much better with this kid than John ever was
Lor:
YES
awwww, Sammy
and Dean appreciates it but they are NOT gonna talk about it
Mace:
and again the fact that he came out of that childhood better than John because John was awful and not as a John himself is so flipping impressive
YES
Lor:
YES
first thing he does is check on the kid
Mace:
yep
ooof and it goes for Sam again
Mace:
"little brother"
Lor:
"okay, little brother?"
YES
oooof Dean shooting it more
Mace:
yeah
Lor:
how many kids are there in the country who grow up with Dean Winchester as their hero because he saved them once and was nice to them?
Mace:
aw, yeah
and Sammy worried about Michael knowing about all the bad things now
Lor:
"sometimes I wish you could too"
he doesn't want the innocence for himself, he wants it for Sammy
Mace:
yeah
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Rewatching Salvation
Welcome to “Truck Size Apparently Matters Too: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!
Up today, s1e21: Salvation.
Sam, Dean, and John are hot on the trail of the Yellow-Eyed Demon and think they have a good lead on where he will strike next. But then Demon Meg issues an ultimatum: John comes alone with the Colt or lots of people start dying. So Sam and Dean take off for Yellow Eyes and John goes to deliver a fake Colt, knowing that it won't trick anyone but may buy the boys some time. Things...don't go well on either end, although Sam and Dean do have a nice brotherly moment in the car. And Dean holds a baby.
Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here. Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.
[and we begin:]
Mace:
i love that they seem to think priests just hang out at the pulpit all day
Lor:
lolol
right?
also, isn't this pastor Jim? the trappings of this church do not look like he'd be a pastor
Mace:
yeah I don't remember
but the catholic church doesn't call their clergy pastors, I don't think?
Lor:
yeah
Mace:
poor guy, anyway
Lor:
he could be... Episcopalian? I thiiink? their churches would look like that? but I still don't think they'd be called pastors
Lor:
mmmm sammy's polo over a long sleeved t-shirt
Mace:
interesting. i have no idea what their nomenclature is like
YAS
Lor:
oh my boys
Mace:
yeah
Lor:
of course john is in front with his jacked up monster truck of penile fortitude
Mace:
YUP
"at Jim's place"? the church is his "place"? Weird
Lor:
yeah
weird
he makes "you got any better ideas" sound like "fuck you" and FUCK HIM
Mace:
YES
Lor:
does he HEAR himself?
Mace:
and then the little emotional display because he wanted the boys to know how 'sad' he is? UGH
Lor:
he dragged his poor babies all over everywhere and fucked them up and wouldn't answer their calls when they were DYING but “ooooh, Pastor Jim died. End it. no matter what it takes”
BLECK
Mace:
YUP
FUUUUCK YOU JOHN
omg the raised eyebrows when he sees the girl
Lor:
YES
Mace:
sweet little pumpkin of a hedonist
Lor:
YES
and just a hint of "ah. I have an in for getting info"
Mace:
yep
Lor:
how many shirts is he wearing?
three? under the jacket?
Mace:
SNORK!!
it's raining and he's chilly
Lor:
yeah
Lor:
maybe he needs some snuggles
Mace:
muffin needs layers
Lor:
LOL
Mace:
YES YES HE DOES
Mace:
Lor:
lololol
Mace:
Monica is adorable
Lor:
she IS
Mace:
CREEPY CLOWN MOBILE
NOPENOPENOPE
Lor:
WHO PUTS THAT IN THEIR KID'S ROOM
Mace:
RIGHT?!?!
honestly
Lor:
go OFF, Dean
Mace:
YES
Lor:
go off more than that, baby
"I'm not crazy about this new tone of yours" HE IS 27 YEARS OLD, JOHN
Mace:
RIGHT?! My god, just fuck right off you asshole
Lor:
interesting how much Dean is (literally) in the background in this episode
Mace:
yeah
Lor:
"it doesn't really matter"
Mace:
"so you think Meg is a demon?" HAHAHAHA that seems like such a silly question at this point
Lor:
LOL
"I want you to go to school. I want Dean to have a home" like the only time he ever thinks about them, right there
Mace:
yep
like, maybe you should have thought of that YEARS AGO, ASS
Lor:
RIGHT?
Mace:
you want those things for them, but only after YOU get what YOU want
that's not parenting
that's not putting your kids first
Lor:
and does he realize that HE is the reason his boys don't have those things? it's not the demon, it's HIM
Mace:
that's literally putting them second
Lor:
YES
the way Dean's voice cracks when he says "you're no good to us dead"
Mace:
ooof
Ugh, I hate that John's such a fox. It's annoying because I need to hate him completely.
Lor:
LOLOLOLOL RIGHT?
if he had a soul, he would (well, first, he wouldn't have done all this) but he would have wrapped Dean up in a crushing hug before he left
Mace:
EXACTLY
but NOOOOO, that's not manly
Lor:
nope
but that's what Dean wants. he wants his DAD. the dude who picked him up and asked him if they should throw the football around with Sammy
Mace:
yep
not to mention Sammy, who gets to sit back and watch this angsty tragedy play out and also doesn't get any love himself
Lor:
YEP
"naaaah" omg Dean's face
Mace:
don't you have to be an actual priest to bless water?
Lor:
a REALLY feel like you have to be a priest to do this
Lor:
HAHAHA
Mace:
HAAAHAHAHAHA
Mace:
#US
Lor:
YES
Mace:
when John does it, it just turns to jagweed water
Lor:
SNORK
Mace:
oh SAMMY
Lor:
YES
Mace:
Dean needs this right now and Sammy knows
Lor:
and the way Dean is completely taken aback by this
Mace:
YES
Lor:
oh Dean
Mace:
I don't like Meg but I do love her haircut
Lor:
lol YES
Mace:
how did John not realize that they'd of course test it
Mace:
numbnuts
Lor:
yeah
maybe he did though
I mean, i don't put it past him to go off on what he suspects is a suicide mission/trap and not even hug his kiddos first
little turd
Mace:
oh yeah, that's a fair point
omg Meg is such a bad actor: "HOLY. WATER. JOHN. REAL. CUTE."
Lor:
LOLOLOLOL
in a SHOCK, John doesn’t answer the phone
Mace:
SNORK!
such a twist to the story, that
Lor:
lol
Mace:
Dean with a baby in his arms is peak ovary asplosion
Lor:
YES
oh Dean. he's gonna need a hug after this rescue. AND NO ONE'S GONNA GIVE IT TO HIM
Mace:
do you volunteer, Katniss?
Lor:
I DO
Mace:
so many shocking twists today...
Lor:
SO many
Lor:
"i don't care! I DO!"
Mace:
YES
Lor:
everybody STOP trying to sacrifice themselves and leave Dean bereft
Mace:
yes, because DeanDean NEVER has that notion. EVER.
Lor:
NEVAH
Lor:
aaaand that's the complete turn around from the pilot
Mace:
YUP
how many times does Dean get slammed into a wall in this show? We should start a tally
Lor:
YES
"sometimes I feel like I’m barely holding it together, man" DEEEEEAN
Lor:
(sometimes, baby? all the time. I hear angels are good at helping with that)
Mace:
(YAS)
Mace:
[in reference to Dean saying that Mary is never coming back, which echoes Sam saying this in the pilot]:
(it also makes no sense either time. They are, in fact, never coming back. Why does that make the boys so angry?)
Lor:
yeah, I dunno
Lor:
maybe they read it as some kind of disrespect to their memory? the suggestion that it might not be worth it to get revenge?
Mace:
I suspect that yeah, that’s what they’re going for, but the writing is weird, then. Because it’s just a simple statement of fact with no hint that they don’t care that they’re gone. Just that nothing is going to bring them back. No hint of “it’s not worth it/their memory isn’t worth it” or whatever. I just think they could have written the dialogue better in both cases to make such violent reactions make some bit of sense
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