#tme ppl

[strawberry-crocodile]

there's a post where someone said "can you respect trans women who look like men" and someone responded something like "hell yeah I love people who fuck with gender!" and like... yeah that's cool, but in a lot of spaces "trans woman who looks like a man" is a lot less likely to be someone who is intentionally comfortably presenting masculine, and a lot more likely to be a girl who hasn't started transition, or can't safely, or just didn't or couldn't put in the effort to pass as fem today, and a lot of them will just look like schlubby dudes and not a radically presenting queer person. and you should be able to respect that.

#blogodile #tme ppl

[spacelazarwolf]

i’m not even going to bother addressing the “dumbasses making transfem’s oppression about them!!!!!!!!!” bc that’s just you admitting you haven’t listened to a single thing trans men and mascs and other ppl talking abt this have said.

here’s the thing bud, there is no such thing as “plain old transphobia.” transphobia is based in sexism and gender stereotypes, which means the way it manifests is entirely dependent on the person’s gender or gender presentation. there is absolutely no brand of transphobia that you face that will not be gender based. even garden variety misgendering! because most likely the reason someone is misgendering you is they still haven’t unpacked what a man or woman or nonbinary person is “supposed to” look like, or they’re just malicious and intentionally calling you the wrong pronouns to hurt you.

also, trans men and trans mascs and ppl in that sphere do face misogyny! sometimes they even face transmisogyny!

this obsession with downplaying what we face is not going to save you from it, and it’s not going to help the trans femmes you’re pedestalizing. all it’s going to do is drive a bigger wedge between two groups that should be working together for collective liberation.

#atm #love when ppl try to give their two cents on this issue and make it SO clear they’ve never even spoken to any of us who are trying to talk #abt this. all they want is approval from the other self described ‘tmes’

[butchmartyr]

how come ppl just thoughtlessly reblog nonsense like that last post like if i saw a post that was like “lol dykes rock males wish they had our swag” i would immediately check op and be like okay so this is a transmisogynist like clearly i can see this in their blog and about. but others just. dont? ok ✅

#‘ppl’ I mean tme dykes #sasha speaks

[pigeontakeover]

Congrats ppl you've done it! Now i have to check every transmisogyny awareness post that sounds just a tad too radfem to see if the op is like, normal, about transmascs and uh wow, a lot of yall are not! Can we stop tearing each other down? Conservatives want us all to stop existing, the whole oppression olympics thing needs to stop

#omg im the op #im sorry for the transmascs that are transmisogynistic #but like saying shit like All TMEs Should Die and Transmascs Are All Oppressing Transfems is very stupid #use your fucking brain challenge! #like over half the time its a white transfem saying it too which tbh checks out #white ppl are def something else 😭 #like i promise that poc transmascs are not suddenly becoming part of the Oppressor Class post transition #transandrophobia

[cruelsister-moved2]

feels like a lot of you didn’t see the study which found that lesbians are the most likely of the whole LGBT+ community to support trans people because i still keep seeing takes like “not ALL lesbians are terfs, just because a lot are 🥰” or “most lesbians aren’t terfs, but most terfs are lesbians, so it’s fine to hold lesbians to extra scrutiny 😍” or casual, unsupported claims that “transphobia is a big[ger] issue in the lesbian community” by people who actually think they’re doing lesbian positivity and it’s INSANE because you’re wrong! and this leads to a significant proportion of lesbians actually delaying coming out because they’re afraid of being assumed to be transphobes, meanwhile transphobia among bi people and gay men (and transmisogyny among tme trans people) often goes completely unchecked. 

#i think everyone owes trans lesbians a big fucking apology today and every day!! #like every day i lose my mind that we live on a planet where tme people will accuse trans lesbians of being [transmisogynists] just for #being lesbians like actually kill yourself #anyway saying those kinds of things is literally just as lesbophobic as the ppl who say lesbian flag is a terf dogwhistle or w/e

[obscenicon]

its so interesting how the most basic things that i thought most trans people had agreed on already (not assuming ppls genders, not using heavily gendered words on somebody whos gender you dont know, fucking asking before you use said gendered terms, etc) just all seem to go out the window the moment the person is a trans woman. so very interesting.

#and like. lots of trans women do repeatedly ask not to be casually misgendered and it doesnt fucking work #bcs tme ppl and especially tme trans ppl will just double down and claim that 'my guy man dude bro' is gender neutral #whatever. i guess i shouldnt expect ppl to do anything basic to be kind. bcs kindness is too much emotional labor to extend to trans women #transmisogyny #🍔

[craycraybluejay]

Why is every popular transfem on Tumblr a neobaeddel.

Like yes! Transphobia sucks. Yes! Healthcare is a human right. Yes! Capitalism bad. No! Transmasculine people aren't "not oppressed" or "exempt from transmisogyny" nor should they be referred to by their "birth sex" or extremely othered by queer communities. Wtf.

Yes yes yes no.

Like. Can you people please be normal about trans men and transmascs for like. One second.

#transandrophobia #intersectionality #baeddelism #trans masculinity #anti tma and tme #'you don't experience transphobia' #girlie you are being transphobic at me and ppl like me rn wtf are you talking about #people try to uplift themselves without putting down another group of people challenge (impossible) #it is not that hard not to throw people under the bus #disabled people are cool except for those with disabilities i dont like or that i think garner more sympathy #trans people are cool except for those i dont like or i think garner more sympathy #just say you don't care about people even mildly different from yourself and go #stop trying to sow division you are indistinguishable from a government plant hope this helps

[lttleghost]

reclaiming fagdyke for myself not just from cishet bigots but also from the group of tme queer ppl who identify as such that keep revealing themselves to be transmisogynistic

#this comes from a call w/ pepper last week where i was like #'ya know i really like the term fagdyke for myself but- #that group of other tme ppl who use it but are super transmisogynistic give me a sour taste' #and she says smth abt reclaimining it similar to this post im making #stealing her funniness #meat.txt

[mettaworldpiece]

yt ppl crine abt carceral culture cus Black ppl dont wanna be around their racist asses is so gross and so violent but I mean what do you expect from oppressors that continue to center themselves while whining abt how you make them feel “guilty” for discussing race and oppression that they are complicit in on posts. Esp when i saw firsthand how it was racist ass yt ppl targeting dogpiling and harassing Black trans ppl for discussing their racism they tried to hide behind kink firsthand :/

#like the levels to the antiblackness #I hope yall die #and to still be vaguing tme ppl when ive been spealing on this from the jump but no hos wanna actually talk abt it

[gremlingirlsmell]

tme people Actually listen to what transfems are Actually saying instead of going 'haha me but reversed' or entirely projecting a completely different message onto it Challenge: Impossible, Never Achieved (not clickbait)

#jeady rambles #it gets so exhausting #tme ppl when they see a post about the objectification and fetishization of transfems: #what if i wildly misinterprete this and make it about me #transmisogyny

[strawberry-crocodile]

i told my mother (who still slips up and he/him's me regularly) that Silence of the Lambs is transphobic, and after a minute of thinking she said "oh it is! you never notice but it's everywhere huh?" and that's like. more than so many people on this website are willing to do. you're doing worse than my mom.

#blogodile #tme ppl

[spacelazarwolf]

“stupid fucking theyfabs making up things to be mad abt for attention ur not oppressed for having blue hair and pronouns”

transphobes and misogynists 🤝 other trans ppl for some fucking reason

#inb4 ‘ummmmm why are you targeting trans women??????? #i’m including all y’all in this #i’ve seen trans women do this but i’ve also seen a lot of self proclaimed ‘tme’s do this too #like what r u doing u r literally using rhetoric ppl use against YOU

[ramenheim]

About prev reblogs: I have never seen TME used to complain about & demarcate cis men's behaviours.

Despite the term ostensibly lumping together *almost any gender configuration that isn't binarily trans woman*, the only times it's used recently is to complain about (trans) ppl that get lumped in with cis women (as intersex ppl trans or otherwise are *never* factored into this dichotomy anyways), including cis women themselves.

I have never once seen it used to delineate trans women from cis men, even as it gets used to delineate cis women's experiences from trans women's experiences. I have only seen /haphazard/ acknowledgement of non-binary experiences included in TMA, but only really as an afterthought or when it's framed as the precursor to 'fully realizing trans womanhood'. I've only seen intersex folks brought up if they elect to use the terms TME/TMA for themselves, with bizarro interrogations into 'how' they were raised/had their genitals 'corrected' only once they individually disagreed with the terminology or had a confounding opinion in a public discussion.

It is regularly used to delineate trans men from trans women; but its users almost uniformly deride any attempt by trans men to coin a term to describe their own unique combinatory transphobia that isn't TME; again despite TME literally just supposing to mean 'transmisogyny-exempt'.... so why would it be used to discuss trans men's *unique* experiences with hatred directed at the fact that they either "are/aren't (real) men" by anyone who wants them to suffer?

It's been *changed* into hastily recycled AGAB terminology bc of wider recognition of the flaws with /that/ but without the driving flaws of that **tool for analysis** ever being fully addressed; and therefore has gotten subsumed into the 'new euphemism' for the Innie vs Outie false dichotomy as its usage became more widespread.

I think it still is a useful discussion tool ONLY when it's viewed *as a tool* and not some inherent marker of identity. It is DEFINITELY just bigotry when used as a NOUN that has negative behaviours ascribed to it, esp in the context of complaining about trans men** as a whole homogenized group, instead of highlighting individual behaviours/belief systems for the harm they contribute to against TMA trans/nb ppl.

Young queers really need to stop swallowing the tradcath radfem juice of "Women Pure + Good & Men Bad + Evil" [**that tumblr feminism has always had a problem with] and acting like you aren't being a transphobic shitheel by adding the word Trans in front of it-- & This is ESPECIALLY a problem when non-trans "Allies" do this, as it sets up trans women for failure whenever they make a mistake/can be reframed as 'being a cause-traitor' since women are punished more harshly for any percieved failure of Righteousness, AND allows them further to enact their unbridled transphobia onto trans men (& enbys/genderqweirdos) and pass it off as 'being an ally to trans women'..... despite them just being extremely transphobic (+ misogynistic + homphobic + intersexist) & then hiding behind """"TMAs"""" as a negative PR meatshield.

TL;DR if you are using TME to mean (nc)AFAB in vent posts, just have the guts to fucking use that as the word & see how it reads then.

(**since transmasc & transfem do not imply either a 'starting' or 'finalized' gender state; they are personal adjectives in and of themselves. Please do not warp them into new innie vs outie binary divides).

[**see related: the raw ass treatment of 'AMAB enbys' on here and in similar online/irl "feminist" environments. (Which was one of the driving factors behind the original TMA/TME coinage & is where I still find useful inter-trans discussions utilizing it as a term; importantly I don't think the term should stop being used altogether!!)]

#(nc is the non-coercive perisex gendering to seperate it from the coercive gendering that intersex babies face) #(I don't think that's the term but it's what I'm trying to describe; I can edit if there is a better way to say that!) #also it's not above my notoce that most of the women using it in a shitty way came out of incel heavy spaces like. #if you KNOW you came from misogyny heavy spaces & you KNOW about the ideological pendulum effect-- #then you should take more time to step back and analyse WHY you think certain ppl are '''acceptable targets''' to lash out at #bc none of these bitter ass TME posts EVER complain abt behaviours or spaces associated with cis men #but DO complain abt spaces associated with 'women and women-lite' and have a specific spite towards ppl who celebrate queer men #it's not that cis men & their hobbies/subcultures are an OK target; but their noticable exclus from complaints is Informative in'n'of itsel #anyways if you see someone talking about their experiences with transmisogyny using it to talk about themselves-- that's not what this's abt #if you see someone noun-ing tme to complain about 'trans afabs' oppressing women then you've found a trans radfem & should act accordingly

[trans-leek-cookie]

every day I lose sympathy for other trans men. Suffer in silence until you can be normal you stupid bitches

#STOP!!! BRINGING UP!!! TRANSFEMS!!!!! #GO ATTACK CIS MEN OR SOMETHING YOU STUPID CUNTS. ILL KILL YOU #or other trans men. I ❤️ infighting #Grabbing trans mens faces. Listen to transfems and shut the fuck up. You're still tme and are priveledged in comparison #Even if ppl see u as a woman and you don't receive most of the benefits a man receives. You're STILL NOT AFFECTED BY TRANSMISOGYNY!!!! #AND THATS A BIG FUCKING THING BC TRANSMYSOGYNY IS PERVASIVE NORMALIZED AND OFTEN ACTIVELY DANGEROUS!!! #YOU STILL EXPERIENCE TRANSPHOBIA AND POTENTALLY MISOGYNY!!! BUT YOU DONT EXPERIENCE TRANSMISOGYNY AND THATS VERY IMPORTANT #like. I still have shit I gotta unlearn but it's fucked up seeing the way other transmascs talk #Bc I grew up reading a lot of transfems perspectives. And the way trans men r centered n catered to and trans fems are excluded and further #Marginalized in a community thats supposed to be inclusive of them is 1. BAD 2. CONSISTENT!!! THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS!!! #MEN AND AFAB TRANS PPL ARE CONSISTENTLY CENTERED!!! TRANS WOMEN ARE PUSHED OUT AND HURT!!! #ITS THE SAME SHIT BUT WITH SOME FANCY NEW WORDS!!!! IF YOU BELIEVE IN TRANSANDROPHOBIA/TRANSMISANDRY #IM JUST GOING TO STOMP ON UR RIBS I SWEAR TO GOD!!!!!!!! SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! #I'm going to be so honest rn seeing other trans men be fucking shitty has actively affected my feelings Abt being a man. Like #I wanna be a man but do I wanna be in a community w these fuckers????

[gayvampyr]

y’all really gotta be more diligent about posts that talk about “gender liberation” with a weird lean on women being oppressors because 9 times out of 10 the op is just a misogynist or mra reframing their bigotry as progressive

#so many times i see those posts reblogged uncritically and then you go to the op’s blog and find 3 posts in a row about how pushback against #women and feminism is necessary and good for ‘male liberation’ #the especially transmisogynistic attitude peeks through too when they call trans women either men or women with privilege over trans men #anyway tme ppl stay annoying me

[mewsporridge]

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#not a big fan of the tme/tma or afab/amab stuff #afab + amab make sense 4 intersex ppl + doctor stuff #but idk 4 tme/tma bigots don know whos a trans woman & whos a woman they think is different #i get seen as a transwomen!! im not!! anyone can be affected by transmisogyny!!! my fucking dad has hes a cis man!!! #idk mayb is the tism but i don get it #discourse #ig? idk