#tls123

[eileenwdj]

love made them g̶o̶d̶s̶ monsters

#art #orv #yoohankim #kim dokja #yoo joonghyuk #han sooyoung #omniscient reader's viewpoint #omniscient reader #orv spoilers #oldest dream #secretive plotter #tls123

[matchaflavored]

all-seeing

#kim dokja #han sooyoung #yoo joonghyuk #secretive plotter #oldest dream #most ancient dream #tls123 #omniscient reader's viewpoint #art.png

[stubbornjerk]

you know, i don't think im still done about yapping about han sooyoung's former chronic illness, so here's more

kim dokja is kind of freaked out about the fact that han sooyoung FORGETS things when her avatars die or just in general leave her main body, because he can't fathom the idea of forgetting things about himself. he's formed his personhood around significant events in his life, whether or not he's remembering it correctly.

but han sooyoung has spent most of her life asleep or bedridden. she would be remembering and misremembering events all the time-- the mixing of two egos between her and tls123 but also the lines blurred between dream and memory, reality and fiction.

this is why she has to read and reread SSSSS-grade Infinite Regressor so much, and why she was so confused about WoS's existence as a story, but not to the point of having a crisis about her own originality and creativity, not to the point of wondering if she really ever was a plagiarist.

seeing han sooyoung as someone with memory problems to begin with makes it so her overuse of the avatar skill isn't something scary or a measure of trust in her own abilities, it's just something she's lived with for over a decade before the apocalypse

#orv meta #orv spoilers #han sooyoung #tls123 #orv #omniscient reader's viewpoint #hsy #i should tag this uhh #disabled han sooyoung

[wanderershu]

The ORV timeloop is insane actually. I get into deep thoughts whenever I start thinking of it.

As messed up as the cycle may be, it was pre-destined and nobody knows where it begins and where it ends. The regression cycle of yoo joonghyuk was just one small part of what the entire picture actually is and it's just so insane to think of.

A story existing for that one sole reader and the end result being the destiny of the thousands of worldlines. I still get the chills thinking of it.

#I really love the pace of the story #the revelation had me gasping so loudly because of how insane it is #the sheer horror I felt when everything had clicked into place was really something #orv #orv spoilers #orv novel #omniscient reader #omniscient reader's viewpoint #omniscient reader viewpoint #omniscient reader novel #kim dokja #han sooyoung #TLS123 #regression depression #time loop #yoo joonghyuk

[drowndazaijustice4chuuya]

This is a very very late Happy Birthday Han Sooyoung post because I just thought about the context of this post today.

In TWSA, one of it's defining sentences is "There are three ways of survival, I've forgotten some of it, but i know that if you are reading this, you will definitely survive." And I don't know about you but sentence gave me the vibe of a dying man recording down his last words, perishing while clutching his most valuable information in his hands, in the hope that someone will pick it up and use it to secure a better future.

It reminded me of that Doomed Hero Trope Talk I was listening to. How a doomed hero can send a spark of hope into the future for the future protagonist to grasp onto and use to save the world.

And it resonates so well with ORV. TWSA is essentially the doomed (not exactly)hero Han Sooyoung's final words. The moment she finishes letting them out she draws her last breath and disappears. And it's the exact spark of hope that Kim Dokja uses to survive and later save Yoo Joonghyuk and the world with.

I just really wanted to share my thoughts because the TWSA summary always gave me chills when I read it.

Also Happy Super Belated Birthday Han Sooyoung.

#orv #omniscient reader's viewpoint #omniscient reader #hsy #han sooyoung #kim dokja #kdj #twsa #three ways to survive the apocalypse #happy birthday my dear hsy #happy birthday hsy #1863 hsy is underrated #the way she clinged onto life and shared a body #just to record down what will essentially haunt everyone forever #the way the story had already started without Kdj's knowledge #tls123 #i jsut think it's very powerful #the narrative tragedy of her reaching out to touch kdj #but being unable to graze him in rhe end #and that being her dying moment #makes me feel smth

[demonlike-judge-of-fire]

anyway what life knowledge do you think tls123 left for kdj in ways of survival

#leon likes talking #orv #ways of survival #kim dokja #tls123

[gay-panic-at-the-disco]

I was today years old when I found out Han Sooyoung's online handle was called 'tls123' not because it's a cool acronym like 'The Last Survivor 123' or 'The Last Story 123', but basically, when you type 'tls' on a Korean keyboard, it will appear as '신' which is the Korean word for 'god'.

Han Sooyoung literally had her username as 'god123'. I'm surprised girlie wasn't given an actual god complex by this point.

#omniscient reader's viewpoint #orv #han sooyoung #tls123 #manhwa #webtoon #webnovel

[bellevillenaty]

An explanation to the main loop in ORV

- Beware of spoilers of the novel's epilogue -

I come to explain in the simplest possible way the loop that happens in ORV for those who want a more concise and less "philosophical" answer of the whole thing. But I must say that ORV, in general, is drawn to the philosophical side of human existence and that mainly revolves around its protagonists, because this is the story of Kim Dokja and a few other people, so don't expect a precise reason why things are the way they are.

With that out of the way, I'll explain mainly the three "main existences" in ORV which are: Secretive Plotter, tls123 and the Most Oldest Dream (not in this particular order) and how they are connected

[[….Oh, you sad, pitiful child.]]

[[Oh, hear ye, my dear god. I have endured a truly lengthy period of time just to meet you, but….]]

[[You are this universe’s most powerless existence, aren’t you.]]

...

[[….Is that why you needed us? This is a very cruel request for help, indeed.]]

...

[[You couldn’t even control your own imagination, is that it?]]

Chapter 515.

Some might consider that the Universe, or at least the entire tragedy of TWS, begins with the existence of the Most Oldest Dream because of this single sentence uttered by the 999th Uriel.

A child who had suffered years of abuse, neglect, and terrible trauma made a fictional story come true. That child dreamed to escape his own reality and forced himself into fiction to do so. By repeatedly saying "I am Yoo Jonghyuk," Kim Dokja gradually brought that man's story to life. But how did this child gain such power? How could this little child be the "Creator"?

...However, This story already existed and Kim Dokja just read it somewhere. So, if not the dreamer, who is the true creator of this universe?

At this point, many people who read ORV, just like the 999th gang and Secretive Plotter, are confused by the loop created by Han Sooyoung from 1863th turn, also known as the tls123.

The perpetuation of cause and effect "begins" in the 1863th turn, but also doesn't.

“Is this the price of the Outer World Covenant that you received? In exchange for killing Yoo Jonghyuk, you will get the power to make your own world?”

Kim Dokja to the 1863th Han Sooyoung - Chapter 295.

To recap, Han Sooyoung makes an Outer World Covenant with Secretive Plotter on the third turn and, like Kim Dokja, is taken to the 1863rd to kill Yoo Joonghyuk. However, unlike Kim Dokja, only one of Han Sooyoung's avatars is sent there, with the other one continuing to exist on the third turn.

Han Sooyoung's idea of "killing" Yoo Joonghyuk of that turn was to put him in deep slumber for eternity and thus create a new story out of the original story (out of Three Ways to Survive in a Ruined World) without him.

This implies that not only will she be able to push the boundaries of the original story that the protagonist himself failed to pass and go beyond the Final Wall, but she will also gain the power to create a brand new world. Perhaps when making the Outer World Covenant, Secretive Plotter had no idea of the details as contracts made within that Universe can have multiple interpretations and can be easily manipulated, even unintentionally.

Her ability also includes writing the Three Ways to Survive that Kim Dokja read and, with that, the combination of her power and Kim Dokja's dream allowed them to turn fiction into reality.

But, again, how did tls123 experience a story that was supossibly created just after her own existence? Yoo Joonghyuk's life already existed for Han Sooyoung to write about it, so she cannot be the creator.

Plus, if it weren't for her meeting Kim Dokja in the 1863th turn and the desire to see him survive, Han Sooyoung wouldn't have written TWS in the first place and would simply have continued her story beyond the 1863th turn.

“Something felt off to me about this world.”

It was my first time hearing such a shrewd tone of voice coming from him.

“One day, I suddenly came into existence in this world.”

0th Yoo Joonghyuk to Demon King of Salvation - Chapter 525

A conveniently-crafted life, a series of adversities created solely to become a tragedy later. This quote about Yoo Joonghyuk could explain his whole character, at least in the reader's mind.

After all, what is the reason for the existence of this character. Who is Yoo Joonghyuk? This question was on Yoo Joonghyuk's mind from the 0th turn all the way to the Secretive Plotter.

His life happened out of nowhere, and also, out of nowhere, thrown into the tragedies of a novel. On his first time in the scenarios, an unknown being helped him immensely using it’s strange knowledge about everything.

And after that, Yoo Joonghyuk felt that his life had been completely taken care of by someone else. As a final request, he wished to learn the truth about this world and himself.

But he was also curious about the existence of the being who had assisted him, and as a result, Yoo Joonghyuk regressed.

My interpretation

⸢The night sky was reflected in Yu Jung-Hyeok’s eyes.⸥

As if he was a child wondering about his origins, Yu Jung-Hyeok estimated where in the sky the [Wall] might be and extended his hand towards it.

He’d become the ‘Secretive Plotter’ someday, and…

….And at the same time, also become the 1864th turn’s Yu Jung-Hyeok that I knew.

Chapter 525.

For me there is a loop within a loop. Yes, Yoo Hoonghyuk would become Secretive Plotter and he would also become 1864th turn's Yu Jung-Hyeok, but not the ones we know.

Because, at the end of the day, they're both people from different universes. The Secretive Plotter is no longer a character within a novel for thousands of years, the fact that he has the power to travel to other turns and, above all, change many things from these turns (Outer World Covenant with 999th Yoo joonghyuk, and other Outer World Covenant with Han Soyooung and Kim Dokja) already shows that Yoo joonghyuk's will is what changes everything.

Yoo joonghyuk is the most powerful being.

He makes the decision to become a Regressor. Because he is a person who came from nothing and became everything.

He becomes a protagonist in an author's story, and he becomes a protagonist in a reader's story. Is there anyone more powerful than a protagonist?

Is there anyone more powerful than a protagonist who regress?

Yoo Joonghyuk is a real person, who became a legend, and finally became a protagonist. The loop occurred first with Yoo Joonghyuk himself and then spreading to those around him.

There is a dialogue between the Secretive Plotter and Yoo Joonghyuk from 14864th in which the Secretive Plotter says the following thing:

[…]

[[Did you know? There was this young boy in the front-most subway car that always died during every regression turn.]]

That question came out of nowhere. Yu Jung-Hyeok naturally recalled the events of the subway train. The very first scenario, the very first encounter with Hell that he had to experience every single time.

However, Yu Jung-Hyeok didn’t know anything about such a boy. Because, there were simply too many people who died in that manner back then.

[[While regressing several times, I tried to prevent his death, but it was impossible.]]

“…..”

[[He was really a young boy. Younger even than Yi Gil-Yeong. However, even such a child had to ‘prove his credentials’. For all of the 1863 lives, that child couldn’t even put up a proper fight and had to die. He died, and died, and died over and over again.]]

Chapter 458.

There's a theory that this boy was the Most Oldest Dream, however why would the supposed "God" of this world be dead in every regression that the Secretive Plotter faces on, and more importantly, why didn't our own Yoo Joonghyuk know about him?

There is a chance that such a boy will only appear because that is how the 1863th Yoo Joonghyuk wants it. Because the Secretive Plotter wanted it.

Secretive Plotter's greatest desire was to find the ‘creator’ of his tragic life and kill him.

It is strange, yes. But it is worth mentioning that our own Yoo Joonghyuk is someone who is in a new story created by himself and therefore he does not know this boy.

Remember? Our Yoo Joonghyuk is someone who has fled the novel story and is no longer a protagonist. The 1864’s turn Yoo Joonghyuk is no longer a character.

He escaped the barriers of TWS wanting to live that life shown by Kim Dokja. Living that turn that seemed perfect and so he did. From his own free will, he regresses and is now living that life.

As Yoo Joonghyuk had wished, he unwittingly erased his memory of all of his past lives and started a brand new story. And we all know that the Regressor Yoo Joonghyuk's life begins with the third round, but now, with Kim Dokja by his side, just as he wanted.

Unlike the Secretive Plotter that always wanted to find and kill The Most Oldest Dream, our Yoo Joonghyuk's wish was to find someone in particularly and fight alongside him. (Thus, the 0th turn Yoo Joonghyuk who Dokja thinks is the one he knew and our own Yoo Joonghyuk from 1864th turn. Both choose to regress for this reason).

The timeline will only move according to Yoo Joonghyuk's will (mostly), which is why the loop thing is so confusing when it comes to the other two.

Without Yoo Joonghyuk, neither Kim Dokja nor the Three Ways to Survive story would be possible.

As one of Kim Dokja's very first statments about Yoo Joonghyuk is:

"The first way to survive this ruined world is this man."

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I think I lost my hand here and I still have A LOT to say about, and I haven't even mentioned the Dokkaebi King or the Winny King yet and what they meant to this whole thing.

Did you guys have any opinions on this take? That’s my interpretation and maybe in the future I update this on a re-read or when I come with new ideias.

Because in the ORV story itself it is said that if you read it again, a new perspective is created.

(I also post this on Reddit)

#orv #omniscient reader's viewpoint #yoo junghyuk #kim dokja #orv kim dokja #han sooyoung #secretive plotter #tls123 #most ancient dream #most oldest dream #Yoo Joonghyuk #orv theory

[s-hanna-h]

ORV NOVEL SPOILER

Our protagonists as their other selves. Even though I expected some of the reveals i was still blown away with the explanations of how it all played out this way. Writing about time travel, parallel universes and loops is so hard and extremely rare well done. But I believe ORV is the perfect example for a novel where it all just works out. In a extremely beautiful and tragic way. Secretive plotter - the oldest dream - tls123 The truth couldn’t have been better.

#orv fanart #orv novel #orv novel spoilers #oldest dream #orv #kim dokja #han sooyoung #yoo joonghyuk #secretive plotter #tls123

[uniquephantommiracle]

Why do you all look so sad? Why are you so miserable? You have reached your finale, this is your happily ever after.

What are searching for? I played my part like everyone else did.

This is how the story always ends, so why aren't you walking towards the horizon with happy smiles?

The story has ended, so it is my destiny to leave, as a reader.

..................

Just why did our happily ever after have to crumble away? How can you even think it is possible for us to go on when our whole world, our reason for existence has left us?

WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY W-

#kim dokja #omniscient reader novel #omniscient reader's viewpoint #orv kim dokja #kimcom #omniscient reader spoilers #omniscient reader webtoon #yoo joonghyuk #han sooyoung #tls123 #the only reader #their dokja

[gkstndjd10]

NOVEL SPOILERS

if you think about it hard enough, the identities of tls123 and the oldest dream are easy to predict based on the features explained about them

like how tls123 is the writer of TWSA and od is "much closer to being a reader" as said by the 1864th round's dokkaebi king. not only that but we know how od is yjh's sponsor (a constellation) and in kdj's explanation, constellations are voyeurs — just watching the whole thing unfold and let the(ir) incarnations do the rest — similar to what readers do

but it seems that i don't understand the identity of secretive plotter as yjh (kim dokja moment lmao) i can't find or i don't remember any defining characteristics that could lead to the conclusion that the secretive plotter is yjh

#orv #omniscient reader's viewpoint #omniscient reader #orv novel #orv spoilers #oldest dream #tls123 #secretive plotter

[metanarrates]

hey kim dokja why does the protagonist you identify heavily with and who is foundational to your identity have so much transfem coding. why did the character you invented to put into the story literally become a trans girl while you weren't looking at her. come back here I have more questions for you

#narrates #orv #YES part of the point of both yjh and jhy is how these characters exist outside of the fate imposed on them by the text #AND the ideas kdj has about them. what tls123 intended doesn't exactly matter in the face of their self determination #same with kdjs interpretation of them. it does and doesn't matter #but HMMMMM is all im saying

[blerghie]

i think the funniest thing about kdj's fawning purple prose narration of yjh's handsome face is that tls123 has never described yjh in detail. all she wrote was he was handsome

[chapter 48]

and kdj's gay little ass just took it and ran

#tls123: how do i describe yjh's handsomeness to fit kdj's taste #dk: just say he's hot our reader is gay he'll figure it out #then add the fact that yjh is EXACTLY kdj's type...od i know what you are i know what you did #joongdok #orv

[stubbornjerk]

final post before bed sorry if its unintelligible but i think it would be so fucking funny if plotter went through all that, met teen dokja with 999th’s companions, and then it all falls through

kim dokja, depressed and lonely at 15, thinks this is all too good to be true and runs through the mental gymnastics and somehow lands on “im on a prank show and i must make sure they dont catch on that ive caught on” so he, after a few days of living with them after they basically kidnapped him, runs the fuck away and tries to contact tls123

except its a trap bc tls123 is also in on it. its like those horror thriller mysteries where the deep undercover spy believes their cover so well that when ppl break them out of ir they FREAK they go Rogue.

imagine that but its a 15 year old who calculates weapon power scaling in his notebook to have something to do to avoid bullies

#orv #orv spoilers #kim dokja #secretive plotter #most ancient dream #the oldest dream #tls123

[orvcoded]

wait i just had a thought... was it ever mentioned in orv that twsa skimmed over some yjh regressions and only focused more on certain more noteworthy ones cuz if thats not the case then it means that each regression lasted about one and a half chapter?? omg kdj really didn't know shit about him did he 😭😭

#orv #yoo joonghyuk #kim dokja #i think there's a part where kdj mentions that he told tls123 to start skimming future regressions cuz it was getting repetitive #but still insanity #twsa i would like to study youuuuu #tho now i think abt it maybe it wasnt a linear narrative and im just used to the orv structure

[mieowkoid09]

DokJoong AU with Werewolf!YJH and Vampire!KDJ

Joonghyuk, as a werewolf, should have really good tasting blood to vampires but for some reason most vampires /hate/ the taste of his. But Dokja isnt like most vampires and LOVES the taste of his blood.

Thinking about how wolfhyuk is canon now (in the sidestories) and how Vampires and constellations are /extremely/ similar in what they eat.

#maybe before Joonghyuk transformed (and lost his memories) he donated blood #and when KDJ was but a fledging and was STARVING NEARLY TO DEATH he got gifted a blood bag by TLS123 #<- TLS123 being the one who turned him into a vampire #or maybe it was the dokkabei who gifted him the blood bag to keep him from starving to death #UGH I have so many ideas #orv #omniscient reader #omniscient reader's viewpoint #dokjoong #dokhyuk #joongdok #Werewolf Joonghyuk #Vampire kim dokja #jdj