#thor ragnarok's also pretty noob-friendly from what i recall though it didnt lead to me looking into the rest of the marvelverse back then

[nostalgia-tblr]

one problem with getting into Fiction Franchises like, oh let's say the MCU, long after they started is that 1) there are things that refer back to things I don't know about and 2) i don't know what i don't know about, and in a way that latter is more of a problem at least for me.

i managed an episode of wandavision and was left thinking "this seems like it's good, but i have no clue what's going on here so it's not going to work for me is it?" and i am reliably told it's supposed to be Mysterious Mindfuckery but i, a noob, was unable to work out without external clarification what i wasn't supposed to know. if you see what i mean.

i notice the mcu movies (at least as it progresses?) don't have numbers on them, and we know when they're direct sequels because there's a subtitle. and if you come at these later you need to get a chart to work out whether you should watch thor: ragnarok before or after thor: the dark world. which is easily done if i am determined to get things in the right order, but any effort is too much for someone.

so while i am willing to consider the idea that the later mcu films/shows are just Less Good than the early ones (personally Doubt so far but I'm not opposed to the idea) it's very easy inside a fandom to lose sight of what your thing looks like to the casuals who make up most of an audience, and frankly the mcu is currently Very Large and confusing.

who are all these Mrs/Captain/Miss/etc Marvel ladies and which of them have already been in films I might or might not have seen? how many ant men are there prior to this one? am i supposed to know who the baddy in this or that film is? which of these side-characters are from something else?

doesn't-seem-related-but-it-is: i was surprised to discover that the general mcu fandom view of the loki series was not that it was some sort of AU situation that could be thought of an entirely separate from the main series of films. because that was pretty much why it was the one to hook me, i think - it explained the relevant backstory with clips and yet also this is a different loki so if i don't want to go and watch however many films he was in i don't have to. i would expect him to be to some extent "out of character" because it carefully explained to me that this is not really the same character as that identical guy with the same name who was in some number of films. there's a woman one and an alligator one but don't worry they're all from AUs anyway.

#that said i did actually assume the alligator was from a comic or somesuch thing #because richard e grant is CLEARLY wearing a comics costume of some sort despite me knowing nothing about comics #but it felt like if i didn't know that it'd be okay cos they're from some Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence thing anyway! #anyway it's very easy to discount the Noob Experience with anything but for older ongoing stories it's crucial to their future #for ex: i didn't know what an infinity stone was but i did get that they were A Big Deal and that the TVA had a silly number of them #idk how that scene worked if you did know but for me it was the right level of 'referring to a previous story' #and i have in the past year-and-a-bit come to terms with the fact that Proper Loki is not an alligator in ANY of the movies :( #thor ragnarok's also pretty noob-friendly from what i recall though it didnt lead to me looking into the rest of the marvelverse back then #hottest take: the problem facing tumblr loki fandom currently is that the newer things are NOT actually completely terrible #so they did bring in a newer audience who didn't know the older material and certainly didn't know The Tumblr Consensus on things #and as mentioned half of them came in via an AU so our perspective was different from the start #and then OH NO DISAGREEMENT AND CONFLICT ENSUES!!!!!! #mcu tag i guess