#one of my favs that episode!!! the heavy silence! the maybe it doesnt have to] when they were just speaking how odo is uncompromising

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[ID: 13 gifs from season 2, episode 8 “necessary evil” from the tv series “star trek: deep space nine”, the gifs show kira nerys and odo inside odo's office. odo is behind his desk, while kira is standing in front of the desk.

1st gif: "i misjudged you, major. you were a better liar than i gave you credit for." odo tells kira.

2nd gif: the camera cuts to a close up of kira, "you were working for the cardassians." she leans forwards.

3rd gif: the camera returns to odo, "i haven't been for more than a year. you've had all that time to tell me the truth." he stresses his point by leaning forwards as well.

4th 5th, 6th gif: kira replies, "i tried to tell you the truth a hundred times." she straightens up before continuing, "what you think of me… matters a lot." she looks downwards, "i was afraid…"

7th gif: "that it might affect our friendship?" odo inquires.

8th gif: kira nods, she is still looking down towards the ground.

9th gif: "maybe it doesn't have to." odo is not looking at kira while saying this.

10th gif: kira looks up and at odo, "will you ever be able to trust me the same way again?"

11th gif: odo slowly lifts his head up and looks at kira. he doesn't say anything.

12th gif: kira looks straight ahead.

13th gif: the camera shows both kira and odo standing from the side. the silence echoes between them. kira is still looking straight ahead at odo, while odo averts his gaze and looks down. /end ID]

#startrekedit #ds9edit #deep space nine #deep space 9 #trekedit #kira nerys #ds9 odo #startrekladies #my stuff #ds9 #ds9* #long post #** #tv* #one of my favs that episode!!! the heavy silence! the maybe it doesnt have to] when they were just speaking how odo is uncompromising #in his ideals ! what to do when your best friend is a collaborator and just by refusing to choose a side he in fact had chosen a side? #ah i wish they dug deeper about this like i know i know its a great moment but doesnt have any bearing so far (im still in 4x07) #its the same with miles and julian when miles sabotaged julian's efforts to aid the jimhadar ! perfect moment and wont have any effect

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honestly a big difference ive noticed between moffat and russel t davies was the way they portayed moral arguments on the show thats Meant for Kids

now, just so you know, doctor who is Supposed to be a kids show, and the best kids shows Almost Always end up tackling big ideas and moral arguments and painful moments and breaking them down in a digestable way for kids (atla, shera, the dragon prince, fucking sesame street, Steven universe, etc)

knowing it’s a kids show, the whole part of breaking things down and explaining heavy topics is sort of where russel t and moffat breakoff (and many other differences ofc)

in a lot of rtd episodes, he comes up with some bs “future science” things that dont make sense but the episodes still have an impact because of the moral argument behind them

for example, in world war three and the other episode, we have a pig being stitched together, we have giant green aliens that Zipper themselves into humans that also fart a lot ??? as u can see , this is the silly part meant for kids

but behind all of this you have the argument, greed kills and drives people to be terrible and acting only for money and prestige can not only hurt yourself but the people around you (also im p sure they were scavenging the planet for oil, which, Not Subtle bruv)

however, with moffat, a lot of the bullshit space science that isnt even supposed to be the interesting part is sometimes at the center of things for no reason ????

like the vashta nerada episode where if u turned on the light these micro creatures would slow down a little and then we’re introduced to river song who explains the time travel that doesnt really make any sense and we also have CAL and stuff like that (this is supposed to be like a darker scooby doo episode i guess)

and honestly that wouldnt have mattered if there were a Bigger driving force behind it. maybe showing Children that destroying someone’s or your own planet has repurcussions (the vashta nerada’s trees were cut down w/o their consent) which would be an Incredible thing kids can learn from

with moffat, science and reason are usually at the forefront. sure he’s had some Very well done concepts that havent revolved around a moral issue (blink is cool but its also just that. its interesting) and some that have (how doing wrong and trying to win no matter what causes unseen damages from the empty child)

eventually theres also something that a lot of kids shows deal with and thats Death. and honestly my fav kids shows have almost always dealt brilliantly with that topic (in atla, people tell aang that killing and death are sometimes necessary but he decides that u have to always try to be better. in steven universe, death is talked about as something inexcusable but also something that has unforseen consequences)

anyways, lets start with moffat for once. moffa t doesnt really, Kill anyone. which for companions, i understand. its tricky to kill off a companion. but the way he does it ? it sucks. he treats death as something people just come back from. the “lesson” is : hey u dont have to Fucking mourn because death isnt actually real its something i use to scare the audience than revert because its more “interesting”

and other than that, the second message is who Gives a Fuck if u kill some meh bad people. like seriously thats it. we see the doctor fool the human race into commiting genocide because the silence stole One baby ? the purpose/moral arguments behind those episodes dont exist except murder is bad unless that person sucks, then Treat yo Self.

this isnt even the only time the doctor does this, like in Dinosaurs with a Spaceship. just straight up fucking murder. and its not even called out or really explained why the doctor Had to make that choice. nothing. (also murder isnt even that interesting for a while. to me the harshest and one of the lowest points for the doctor was when he granted Immortality to the family of blood and also saved the people from Waters of Mars.)

with russel t tho, he tries to explain to the audience (FUCKING CHILDREN) that “everything has its time and everything dies.” and i fucking Loved that. i really did. one of the episodes that Really deals with that, is the School Reunion. we see a beloved character come back (which is also to have more things an older audience can relate to) and its about these creatures that evolve and are trying to take command of reality by using a school etc etc whatever its kind of interesting but shhh

anyways one of the reasons this episode is So Fucking Good is because it uses that as a set up for tackling something So Important with kids. which is Loss and death. loss doesnt always mean death of a loved one but it can also mean just losing someone close to u. with sarah jane, we see the effects of losing an important relationship and how its impacted her life (showing u should be considerate in who u end up ghosting, jk jk i jape and i jest) but it also shows how thats Alright. losing a relationship, no matter what kind, is and Can be tough but its inevitable. its something u can learn from and the relationship shouldnt be seen as tragic but rather a part of ur life where u learned and loved and gave u hope

it also shows how fear of losing a relationship is something thats normal and okay to deal with but also something u should talk about. the doctor and rose end up talking about Both the doctor and rose’s fears of losing one another, whether it be to rejection or to time. it shows that people make mistakes but communicating and expressing ur love is Encouraged. people have a past and have made mistakes but thats something that makes them knowledgable and wise and open. loss for the doctor and sarah jane has made them sad and lost and anxious. but it also caused them to grow and to love

an episode that Greatly deals with death (especially that of a loved one) is Fathers Day. rose changes something in the past and now reapers are coming out and people are dying etc etc (also Really interesting but im not talking about that)

the forefront, the true Focus and purpose and the Lesson of the episode is rose (the audience pov) coming to terms with her fathers death and learning to cherish their small moments. rose tries to save her father but that has untimely consequences. (aka people die and u cant change that thats not up to u). during the term in the church, she learns about her father and about how normal he was. and since its 2 am and idk how to explain it, rose comes to terms with the fact that some people die. thats how it works. she’s allowed mourning and she doesnt get told down for that and she learns about it but she Gets it Now. she learns that losing someone is terrible but that doesnt mean its a waste. doesnt mean u cant grow. u will always have what u shared with that person and thats beautiful. fantastic even

in the end, i genuinely believe some shows are so good not Only because of how interesting their ideas were, but because they Teach you and show you and give u hope. and when i watched moffat, i didnt get any of that. all i got was lying can be good and murdering when convenient is encouraged. and it makes me Sad becuase dw used to be so much more you know ? ive learned a lot from this show and it saddens me how some kids might not get the silly stories with all the life packed into them

#dw #doctor who #steven moffat #rtd #russel t davies