#oh also noticing that a loquarium was probably all the more relevant when piero seems to note The Rule frowns on too much conversing for fu

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interestingly the only mention i can find of a monastery loquarium is (rendered "loquorium") in "the california padres and their mission" by charles francis saunders and joseph smeaton chase, a book in the public domain:

The Mission relics at Santa Inés are many and interesting. Besides those used in the present-day church services, and the beautiful old vestments that are in the sacristy, there is a considerable collection arranged for interested visitors in an interior room of the convento — a room formerly used as the loquorium, where daily, after dinner and after supper, the friars were at liberty to come to rest for an hour from their laboring and praying, and relax in human chat.

the next paragraph also mentions this room now housing relics "patiently got together from all sorts of places," including "from the earth of the surrounding fields as the plough turns it up"

#originally the search yielded archive.org's text version which seems to have been like that autogenerated version from (their own) scan #where it clearly results in a lot of typos as it's ''misread'' like ''inés'' becoming ''in6s'' #so it made it difficult to cross reference w/the pdf scan lol...''convento'' had become ''comento'' like i figured that was wrong but had t #actually see the original text to know what had gone wrong there #speaking of limited information recorded in specific places.... #how that santa inés is i believe from saint agnes; the portuguese form being inez #akd's character in ''the outside story'' being called ''inez'' in some articles but in the movie they're only called/credited as ''izzy'' #a potential nickname; i could believe that this jumped off from them being named inez but thus far it remains apocrypha lol.... #pentiment #it's also ofc like; how many resources on olden monastery rooms that aren't scanned / converted to text / public domain available thusly... #but you can somewhat expect Monastic Trivia to potentially show up in other sites or even via like online dictionaries.... #checked as much by looking up another [term for Special Room in a monastery] and getting various results defining it #oh now i'm remembering some fun research moment learning that some like Christian Order was defined by standing during prayers instead of #kneeling...and the definition is available and they're all exactly the same b/c they all come from One Resource offering that definition #this came from that ''i'm drawing winston's Standing Posture a certain way'' moment where i read the wikipedia page for [standing] lol #which stemmed from reading the wikipedia page for contrapposto in an effort to learn other Artistic Terms For Standing Certain Ways #orthostasis....yep there it is in the ''see also'' section of the wikipedia Standing article: agonoclita / the agonoclites #7th century christian sect who Never Kneeled...name from greek for like ''i do not bend the knee''...One Citation = everyone's sole citatio #oh also noticing that a loquarium was probably all the more relevant when piero seems to note The Rule frowns on too much conversing for fu #like i've been to Dinner With Benedictines In Their Monastery multiple times lol no such pressure modern day to not chitchat #but that when Rule manifestations were thusly; a room that was like ''exempt'' from that would be unsurprising....fun chitchat hq #monasteries of w/e various orders having zones dedicated to being more chill than is supposedly required outside it.... #hmm wikipedia's saying benedictines maintain silence As Much As Possible outside bonus silent hrs / social convos are Limited #news to me. also says ''but such details'' abt the day to day life is technically left by The Rule up to whatever Superior of an abbey #evidently the way of doing things at the one i was familiar with / around were not so pressed about silence / rare/limited socializing