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spaghett-onaplate · 1 year

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My thoughts on Marcus

He was another love interest for Simon, so obviously there's an innate hatred of his character in that. But biases (mostly) aside, here are my thoughts on his character and his relationship with Simon.

So first, he was nice. He gave Simon a taste of what dating an ordinary boy would be like. When Simon started initiating sex, I'm glad that Marcus pushed him away.

So at first I was thinking, "Marcus is nice!" My impression from the pre-release information was that he would be nice to Simon, but ultimately couldn't compare to Simon's love for Wille. And I was right, mostly.

See, that was up until this conversation. (Episode 3, 22:30)

So Simon started to break up with him. But instead of accepting that, Marcus resisted. Simon didn't bend straight away, and kept making his intentions clear.

He couldn't have made it more obvious. Then, Marcus followed it with this:

And like, wtf. That was super unnecessary. And the implication that Simon could be anything like his dad is just, so out of nowhere? And the part that got me the most:

No, Marcus, you don't know that. You can't decide what's best for Simon whatsoever. And the contrast of Marcus acting like that with Wilhelm, who accepted Simon's wishes despite the fact it hurt him so much?? This whole conversation was so extremely uncomfortable and manipulative, where Simon clearly wanted to end things but Marcus convinced him against it. Plus, Simon looks so uncomfortable when Marcus pulls him into that hug!

Their relationship was doomed to fail from the start, considering the fact that Simon was still in love with Wilhelm. But argh, Marcus was less of the unfortunate rebound than I had anticipated.

And to be honest, at first I was quite uncomfortable during the Wilmon scenes, with the knowledge that Simon and Marcus were together. And I still am, but the reflection that Simon really did make his intentions clears it up at least a little.

And when Marcus called Simon out in episode 6, I think he was justified for it, despite his own character flaws. Simon made some pretty bad decisions this season himself. But, they're teenagers, they're humans, they're far from perfect. They're realistic and gritty. And isn't that what Young Royals is all about?

Anyway, bottom line is: Marcus sucks, Simon made some iffy choices, Wilmon will always be endgame. Thank you for reading.

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iloveilovei · 1 year

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It's not that we really need (more) proof of the fact that Simon wasn't into Marcus, but it is so obvious when you look at his texts to Marcus.

Simon was not shy with emojis while texting with Wille...

And Marcus showed some emoji game in his texts to Simon...

But Simon's texts to Marcus are suspiciously emoji-less...

What can it meeeeeaaaan....? (😉)

#emoji analysis #useless because it's pretty obvious but still... it had to be done #yayayayay #young royals #wilmon #simon eriksson #prince wilhelm #simon x wille #wille x simon #marcus young royals #simon - marcus

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thiswaypleasse · 1 year

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Just a thought, very few people know how freaking DEEP Wille and Simon's love runs, and two of those very few people who know, don't have any respect for it:

August knows how much Wille cares about Simon, he got the others to blame Alexander to protect him, he was the only one to actually see them together, he even told Wille he thought Erik would want him to go with his heart, he very much knows Wille is down bad.

The queen, probably her more than anyone actually, but she dismisses it as a childish crush, a fling that could be dangerous for her own interests, and she is willing to put her kid under so much distress to get what she wants. Kinda hope we see her change a bit in S3.

But other than them, Felice, Sara and maybe Ayub, most people just think Wilmon are maybe fooling around at best, Marcus included, that's why he was so prompt to try and get into a relationship with Simon. Just saying, it's gonna be incredibly satisfying to see everyone find out just how incredibly in love those two are.

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heliza24 · 1 year

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Hey, hope you’re doing well. I loved reading your analysis on Simon and Marcus. Speaking of those two, I’d like to read your take on their final confrontation in the last episode.

There’s a lot of mixed opinions on what Marcus said to Simon. Some would say that Marcus was absolutely correct in saying that Simon always plays the victim and loves the drama and that Simon needed to hear that. Others would say that Simon is a victim and that Marcus was out of line.

That line, “you see yourself as some victim among those rich brats” really rubbed me the wrong way. I’m not sure how Simon ending things with Marcus correlates to Marcus thinking Simon plays the victim at Hillerska. Plus it makes no sense too. What does Marcus even know about Simon? That he can sing, had an intimate video released, the prince screwed him over and he had an alcoholic father. He knows absolutely nothing about Simon’s social life at Hillerska. He never knew about the drug situation or the music room fight in season 2 episode 5. So where did that line come from? And if anyone was playing the victim here it’s Marcus. Simon warned him, he didn’t listen and then he got hurt. How are YOU not gonna listen then entirely blame someone for your decisions when you got hurt. Marcus can only blame himself.

Then the whole, “you say don’t want drama but that’s what turns you on”. Saying that to someone who just had their tape released is cruel. Like tf.

And honestly, was their relationship something to get upset over? They hung out 4 times, kissed 3 times (2 of which were initiated by Marcus), a bunch of ghosting and they never got to the talking phase. They know next to nothing about each other. And when they hung out, Simon looked uncomfortable and uninterested most of the time. I know some people can’t take the hint but Marcus was on another level of blind. And it doesn’t help that Simon already told him that he was not ready for anything serious. This “relationship” was doomed from the start.

What are your thoughts and analysis on Simon and Marcus’ final conversation? Thanks in advance for taking your time to answer.

Hey there anon! Thanks for sending me your thoughts about Simon and Marcus. I have to say I agree with you! I am in full sympathy with Simon through all of his and Marcus’s arguments, and I do agree that some of the things Marcus says are pretty cruel. I dated someone a very long time ago, when I was not that much older than Simon, who treated me in the same way that Marcus treats Simon, so I find him pretty infuriating. And I think it means I have some insight into the dynamic of their relationship and how it breaks down.

In order to understand their final breakup scene, I actually think we need to backtrack to 2.3 when Simon first tries to end the relationship. To me this is the most enraging Marcus moment, and I think it illuminates the fundamental problem going on here. While Simon is trying to break up with Marcus, Marcus focuses on everything except Simon’s actual feelings in an effort to convince him not to leave. First it’s Wilhelm. Marcus thinks that Simon must be worried that he will hurt Simon in the same way Wilhelm did. Marcus claims to never have seen the tape (an assertion @bluedalahorse and I think might be a lie, but that’s headcanon), and assures Simon that he would never do something like that. Then it’s Simon’s family; he assumes that because Simon’s parents didn’t have a healthy relationship, Simon must not know how to appreciate a healthy partnership. This is the thing that Marcus says that grinds my gears the most. For him just to assume that he knows the extent and effect of Micke’s addiction, possible abuse, and abandonment of Simon is so presumptuous.

To be generous to Marcus here, I think this is a perfect example of a theory of mind issue. Theory of mind “refers to the capacity to understand other people by ascribing mental states to them” (that’s from the wiki definition). Instead of seeing who Simon is, and trying to understand Simon’s emotions as he describes them, Marcus has created an image of Simon in his head. He has decided how the abuse (both familial and the video) that Simon has endured has affected him, and has also decided what Simon needs in order to heal those wounds. Crucially, Marcus has decided that Simon needs Marcus’s help to heal. Marcus is doing this out of generosity; wanting to heal Simon is a nice thought. But the violation here is in the assumption. Marcus never finds out how Simon really feels because he never listens to him. And you could maybe go as far to say that assuming that Simon needs to be “fixed” because of those experiences is a violation too. Those experiences are what makes Simon who he is.

To be less generous, I once had a very similar argument with my then partner, where I was trying to break up and he was trying to get me to stay. I was left feeling defeated, and like he had made such a good argument that I had to stay. His approach was similar to Marcus’s. He poked at all of my emotional bruises (and claimed to understand them better than me) until I felt too confused to assert my boundaries. So I really feel for Simon in that scene.

Another thing I want to mention is that Marcus is in some ways Simon’s antagonist, and his insistence that he knows and understands Simon better than Simon knows himself is the catalyst that prompts Simon’s season 2 arc, which is about him getting in touch with, accepting, and then acting on his true emotions. I wrote about that more in depth here.

There’s another element to Marcus that I don’t see discussed much, which is the unique spot he occupies in the class system of the show. We’re used to seeing the upper, noble class that dominates Hillerska, and the working class represented by Sara and Simon (and also Rosh and Ayub). But Marcus is a representative of a kind of in between, and at first glance appears to be middle class. He goes to public school, and does manual labor at the stables. His little backyard apartment feels like something an upper middle class family might create for their teenage son. But his parents are actually land owners. They own the stables and the shooting range that they rent out to Hillerska. We never find out if Marcus’s family is actually noble and inherited that land, or if they’re new money and bought it on their own. But I think some of Marcus’s superiority complex comes from the fact that even though he has money, he isn’t, in his mind, spoiled or snobby like the kids at Hillerska. He surely could have gotten a place at Hillerska, for instance, because of the way his family supports the school. He surely doesn’t have to work to survive (I am basing this on the fact that his family has enough money to build him his own apartment.) But he stays humble and grounded by going to public school and working at the stables. He’s so humble and good, in fact, that he is going to treat working class Simon right, unlike that stuck up prince who threw him to the royal wolves. And some of the way that he turns on Simon in their break up scene, especially in the line you quoted– “you see yourself as some victim among those rich brats”-- feels like he has taken off his mask, and is exposing the classist way he actually sees Simon. If Simon, poor boy that he is, isn’t willing to let the benevolent Marcus rescue him, then he deserves everything those rich bastards can dish out. There’s also a shade of bootstrap mentality here. Marcus works hard, even if his family has money. He’s earned his driver’s license, and he knows exactly the kind of relationship that he wants with Simon. Why can’t Simon do the same?

Obviously the answer is because Simon is a different person from a different set of circumstances. And then we’re back to Marcus’s inability to see Simon as a complete independent person.

So I completely agree with you when you say that Marcus is cruel in this scene, and misinterpreted Simon’s level of interest, and is making a big deal out of a relationship that never really existed in the first place. But I also think we as viewers are reacting to some of the subtle themes that Marcus represents. The way he fits into the class structure of the show and the way that he connects to Simon’s arc is really significant.

I know Lisa and Tommy were very positive about Marcus in some of the season 2 promo, in a way that irritated some fans. But I think I understand where they’re coming from. Marcus does have good intentions, even if those intentions are only skin deep, and it’s ok to acknowledge them. Tommy especially has to exist in Marcus’s mindset in order to play him, and it’s fundamental to Marcus’s character that he sees himself as a good guy. And for Lisa, Marcus is a great character because he challenges Simon and adds complexity to the way class is explored in the show. It’s hard to summarize all of that in an interview, especially in a way that isn’t going to result in fan backlash. So I don’t have a problem with how they portrayed him in promo.

Thanks for asking anon, and thank you for reading what turned out to be quite a long post! I think we all have some unresolved Marcus trauma that we need to work through. I know I did at least.

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young-royals-confessions · 5 months

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Let me leave this with the fact that I LOVE seeing everyone's opinions and viewpoints about the show. Whether I agree with them or not, I believe all of it is valid information that allows us to form our own opinions and come to our own conclusions.

But there is one viewpoint that I fully reject with every fiber of my being, and I'm sorry but it is just a view that doesn't make any sense to me. I'm not saying it's wrong but..... You really can't change my mind on this one. I will die on this hill.

It's that Wille was being condescending to Marcus in the ball scene. I just cannot with that view. It does not make sense within the timeline of events. Wille was deeply hurting and trying to do what he thought was best in this scenario. He was not trying to be the pretentious asshole that Simon despises. He was willing to fully give in to what Simon was asking of him (which was to let him go, give him space). The last thing he's going to do is turn around and be a dick to someone he believes Simon truly likes (spoiler, we know Simon doesn't like Marcus). He's not trying to get on Simon's bad side. This is why that view just drives me up the wall. Because I feel like people are seeing who they want to see in this scene on a surface level and it hurts to think that people think this low of Wille, especially at this point in his journey.

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tsugarubecker · 1 year

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I gotta say - I was not at all looking forward to a fucking love triangle of all things in Young Royals season 2. I was like. Really? Serious? What a tired trope. Thought y’all were more inventive than this mundanity, and these two have so many other external stressors - do we really need to add this into the mix in order to create drama?

But nope I stand corrected. I have probably never seen a more realistic portrayal of what it looks like to try to rebound with someone, kinda keep them on the line just in case, use them when you’re feeling rebuked, etc etc. Simon is definitely not a perfect person - he’s human - and man if we haven’t all been in his exact shoes before. I know I’ve had similar experiences.

The best part about it was that it wasn’t a love triangle. We the audience knew that Simon’s heart was never in it - he was utterly emotionally unavailable and incapable of feeling anything for Marcus from day one. Again, the most realistic portrayal. I think of Love, Victor season 2 and the ridiculous love triangle there and how shallow it felt (the emergence of comparable depth of feeling over the course of 24 hours? Fuck off). The difference in how this was handled - striking. So much depth and grounding in reality.

Bravo to YR for being probably the only show I’ve ever seen introduce a “love triangle” that I didn’t detest.

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springjjjj · 1 year

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Me giving reasons to Simon's problem:

1. Wille appreciates Simon's idea and does not hesitate to compliment him

2. Wille loves Simon's voice

3. Wille is the only one who sincerely acknowledges Simon's presence

4. Wille always asks Simon about his day (vice versa)

5. Wille is willing to put an effort to meet Simon and get along with his friends

6. Wille is eager to meet Simon's mom

7. Wille is willing to risk it all just to be with Simon

8. Simon, you are keeping Wille's sweater and gatekeeping your memories together. How will you move on if you're acting like that?

9. No need to explain this one. This dude himself is the problem.

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daylightaftertherain · 1 year

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felice and wille’s dynamic in season one is actually so similar to marcus and simon’s in season 2. wille and simon both remember them from going to the same preschool, and they even introduce the characters with the same question of “you’re so and so’s son/daughter, right?” (erik asks that in s1, and simon asks marcus in s2). marcus and felice both wanted a lot more out of their relationship than wilhelm or simon, and they both kind of assumed the other’s feelings and were much more forward. and both wille and simon use their respective partners/friends to get over each other in s2. it’s an interesting parallel because felice and marcus are what everyone would assume are the best fits for wille and simon (felice comes from nobility, she was in love with wille, and it was a picture perfect match, and marcus was willing to be in a public relationship with simon, he came from a similar background, etc.), but wilmon obviously end up choosing each other, because their relationships with other characters just don’t have the same sparks.

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zee-has-commitment-issues · 1 year

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You’re telling me Marcus saw Simon and Wilhelm running alone together through the woods of Hillerska and thought “yeah they’re definitely over each other”

Sir I need you to be so supercalifragilisticexpialidociously fucking for real right now.

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simonsfish · 1 year

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Trying to put my finger on what I didn’t like exactly about Marcus that’s more descriptive than “smarmy” and I think it’s the way he takes away simons agency, while pretending they’re the same and on equal footing.

Like when Simon tries to break things off because he’s not ready for the relationship Marcus has made it clear he wants, Marcus is quick to not even try to win Simon back over, but to tell him that they’ll be continuing on, taking things slow, so his feeling really doesn’t matter. And bringing up Simon’s father, in the don’t worry you’re not your shitty dad way, is something meant to shame Simon, masquerading as comfort. Like it’s both “don’t worry you’re not him” and “you don’t want to be a shitty, distant partner like your dad do you?”

Marcus knows Simon’s family, so even though Simon is clearly uncomfortable, he doesn’t argue with that, he accepts that Marcus must have a point, some insight.

Really, it starts right away, with Marcus denying Simon the hook up he wants because Marcus wants a relationship, so that’s what they’re doing. And it seems like Simon can argue like hell with the Hillerska boys because they don’t fucking know him, but Marcus does, and Simon’s mom likes Marcus, they went to school together as kids, so he just gives in. Marcus must know what he’s about, and Simon does want to be wanted openly, so there’s that.

But Marcus doesn’t listen to Simon’s other wants. Simon tells him not to show up for the rowing competition and he does it anyway. Simon invites Marcus to the ball and Marcus brushes him off.

Simon’s playing ball in that scene, too—yeah it’s a reaction to Wille in part, but he’s trying to offer Marcus knowledge of this other piece of him, and Marcus just scoffs at it. He already knows Simon-he’s heard Simon sing in his room (uninvited) and on his own turf at karaoke, why does he need to hear him at Hillerska? Why would he come to an event Simon actually wants him at when it’s not something Marcus would go to otherwise? Plus the offer to come over later feels explicitly like he’s dangling what he thinks Simon does want in his rejection. It wasn’t time for a sleepover and whatever that entails before, when Simon wanted that, but now it is, because Marcus wants it.

And at least here Simon is clearly upset but he also just kind of shrugs and says okay. Like, he doesn’t want to rock the boat, he doesn’t want to be the one who ruins everything. He doesn’t want to send Marcus back to his mom and the gossip mill with the news that Simon is just like his father, ruining this beautiful connection they have.

Even when Marcus decides to come to the damn ball, it’s not on Simon’s terms. He just shows up, ready to go, before Simon’s even ready. He inserts himself uninvited into Simon’s space and acts like he’s doing Simon the world’s biggest favor here, he’s such a good boyfriend really.

(Glossing over Simon’s behavior after this because it’s not great lmao) Simon probably should have broken up with Marcus right away instead of also sort of pursuing Wille, but honestly, Marcus has already shown that he doesn’t really consider what Simon wants. If Simon had come to him right after the ball, like morning after, and told him he needed space, maybe they should slow down or whatever, Marcus would have hugged him and told him they were doing great and going slow and it was all perfect. And they wouldn’t have broken up any more than they did in canon.

And then obviously when they do end things, it’s still in a way that makes Marcus look like the victim, that paints Simon like his father’s son in some ways. Simon takes away Marcus’s say in their relationship by effectively ending it with his actions with Wille, and Marcus doesn’t like that one bit. And honestly? Marcus’s story is going to sound like the truth, it’s going to change the way Simon can interact with the people who used to be his peers outside Hillerska. So really, he’s still calling the shots.

This got long whoops but hey, I finally did put my finger on what I don’t like about Marcus. He’s an asshole lmao.

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