#like the. my body isn't meant to have babies my body kills babies directly translates over to the lines about not being meant to be happy

[karmaphone]

dude as someone who understands the nuances of enmeshment + the varying degrees of abuse-versus-codependency I'm really more of a Beveryly-Did-Nothing-Wrong-er than the show, which is a Beverly-Is-Equally-At-Fault-er

#am I saying she did nothing wrong? no she did a bunch of stuff that was wrong #mostly lying to Genevieve when she asked her outright if it was her the whole time #but all the stuff that Elliot was doing on her own that she had no idea about? all the intrusions into her life and relationship that #Beverly didn't know how to stop? that doesn't seem like HER FAULT like it seems more like Elliot doing whatever the fuck she wants and #justifying it to them both retroactively by saying that it was all for beverly #like. the misusing her eggs to do something very very illegal and possibly unethical WITHOUT HER KNOWLEDGE OR PERMISSION the second that she #sets a boundary is um. like a big red flag to me about the nature of their relationship #I'm not saying they're not codependent or anything but like. holy shit how do you get off blaming Beverly for any of this #the end was very much Her Choice (kinda? hormones + trauma + cycling back into toxic patterns is uh. something really hard to break out of) #but like. holy god do you not see how Elliot was the bigger influence on this outcome #most of Beverly's unhappiness was due to the certainty of it making Elliot UNhappy #THATS what was killing her not that she wasn't meant to be happy. we need to compare this to the scenes of women feeling deformed for #uterine Abnormalities or for having miscarriages #like the. my body isn't meant to have babies my body kills babies directly translates over to the lines about not being meant to be happy #like. that's not the case it makes sense for you to feel that way but I promise that's not the case! fuck! this was such a compelling show #I'm mad that it ended on such a shitty note!! I can't say I didn't see it coming but like. fuck!!! what was any of it For!!!!!

[devotedlydeepeststrawberry]

I rewatched Dragon Ball GT and the one thing I love about Dragon Ball GT is Goten and Vegeta interactions in the sub version. But before I start I just want to say Goten is 22 in GT and it's implied that the girl at beginning of DBGT is not Valese.

Anyway, despite Gohan saying that he will go with Goku, Vegeta was the one in the sub that suggested that Goten goes instead. The best part is that it is implied that he asked/talked with Chichi about it.

I just love his smirk while telling Goten that his mother agreed with Vegeta.

Then the next time we see them is in epispde 25. Vegeta was shaving his mustache and Goten was talking on the phone with Valese. They meet each other when Goten is about to go on a date. AND Vegeta, while smiling, asks Goten about his opinion, and Goten, not realising Vegeta shaved, just left. This made Vegeta doubt himself and when Bulma commented how he looked better without the mustache, he smiled, again. But then he saw Chichi and he got embarrassed. Vegeta was completely comfortable with smiling in front of Goten and asking him his opinion but he was incredibly embarrassed by Chichi who didn't even say a word. What's more, it seemed that Vegeta wasn't even aware that Chichi was at their house, meanwhile he didn't even question Goten being there despite Trunks being of to space.

And then we have Baby Gohan and Baby Goten vs Vegeta.

In the sub Vegeta said that he is going to blow baby away together with Kakarrot's son'.

Ok, side note: one of my pet peeves in Dragon Ball fanfiction is Vegeta calling Goten 'Kakarrot's son'. In the manga and the original Japanese dub of DBZ he called Goten 'Gohan's little brother'(which for whatever reason was changed to Kakarrot's son in eng dub only, every other version stayed with Gohan's little brother) and after that he called him Goten. The only times Vegeta even acknowledged Goten as Goku's son was directly to Goku when Goten fought Trunks and at the end of Z. Aside that I just want to remind people that Gohan had no clue Chichi was training Goten nor the fact that Goten and Trunks play fought meanwhile Vegeta didn't even hesitate to ask Trunks if Goten can turn SSJ as well nor ask who is stronger, knowing full well that Trunks has the answers. Also there seems to be a misconception of when Goten turned SSJ because of the eng dub. Goten did not turn SSJ because of his mother. That flashback was meant to show the time Chichi found out about it and she DID NOT call him a monster but a punk/delinquent.

Anyway back to GT, Vegeta didn't hesitate to say that he is fine with killing Gohan and Baby wasn't surprised nor did he thought of taking Gohan's body as hostage. Vegeta was about to kill Baby when Goten turned up. Vegeta told him to 'stay out of his way'. However, Goten went to Vegeta's side and said how that is clearly Gohan. And Vegeta only seemed midly annoyed at Goten for disregarding his orders. Vegeta put the arm with which he was threatening Baby with in front of Goten and in a non angry manner told him to stay back. Instead of finishing off Baby, Vegeta was more concerned with Goten being there.

What's more, when Vegeta realised Goten was controlled as well, he actually seemed worried.

I like the fact that Vegeta let his guard down with Goten enough to make him bleed while from the first moment he saw Gohan he didn't trust him.

Their interactions might be rare but I really do enjoy them. And I like the fact that DBS anime(in the manga Goten seems to barely exist), also sneaks in some interactions. Like when Vegeta watched Bulma exercise and Trunks realised how worried Vegeta was. Goten explained how the exercise will help Bulma and wasn't afraid of saying that Vegeta must be excited for the baby(crunchyroll translation are really off with DBS). While his pride was hurt a bit, he was not mad at them for their observations. He forbid them from training and told Trunks to go and finish the Bulla's bed. Or when Vegeta was completely comfortable with changing Bulla's diaper in front of Goten and Trunks and even seemed proud when they complimented him.

I like to think that Vegeta even after all the years and character development still isn't comfortable showing his caring side to people outside his family. With Goten being the exception because Goten is so often at their house that it would have been a hassle to constantly keep his tough guy persona in front him.

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