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#like im gonna be real jolene is a character i do everything i can to avoid half of the time
waywardsalt · 4 months
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Have you ever thought about how Linebeck describes Jolene as "crazier than a rabid squid"- only to then be possessed by a literal rabid squid later in the game?
Cause I sure have- especially after seeing a lot of your BellumxLinebeck stuff
mmmmghmm im gonna be honest i haven't thought about it much at all
linking it to my bellum x linebeck thoughts, im not too sure what to make of it in context with my other linebeck notes and w/e
there's also my idea that linebeck has a special interested in shellfish and by extension squids, and the idea of him having a weird thing for bellum, and just... enjoying sealife, and it's kinda of...
he compares her to a rabid squid to link in order to i think... offer a shorthand explanation of what she's like, and i think it (with some other stuff) is kinda just another little peek into how he might feel abt her?
i mean he also compares link to a dog in that one letter? i'm not sure where im going with that one. i dont think linebeck particularly likes dogs
i'm not sure abt the link between that and him getting possessed, jolene is kind of just... there a lot of the time and doesn't really do anything except 1) show that linebeck has enemies and 2) show that people know about link's quest by the end, linebeck generally references sea creatures a few times in ph
relating to bellum x linebeck, i dont see him comparing jolene to a squid an indicator of anything in relation to that, with linebeck having a thing for bellum its more of like. there's a lot of complicated ideas i have with what goes on between them during bellumbeck and bellum being a squid thing is more linebeck having a bit of a monsterfucker streak and having a bit of a thing for like. being tied up. as for literal squids he kinda just likes them as food and to dissect and learn about
like i think 'rabid squid' is more like linebeck just tossing out some derogatory shorthand to explain how he thinks of jolene as some fucking. violent annoyance he has to deal with that he doesn't fully understand
tbh i see the comparison but imo it comes down to a difference in characters and interactions and histories, there is the rabid squid thing (and i think in the manga too theres a vague parallel drawn ig) but im not. sure. what there is there just beyond. linebeck talks about sea creatures and wants to get the fuck away from jolene
i'm not entirely certain what you've been thinking about with that comparison, but i haven't been thinking much about it and it's kinda. eh ig???? its something
#asks#musicncomics#like im gonna be real jolene is a character i do everything i can to avoid half of the time#im not too sure what your thoughts on this are but i can tell you like jolene leagues more than i do so like. idk#idk i have a hard time talking abt jolene bc i Do Not like her so im not really sure beyond this stuff its just. idk#bellum also isnt a literal squid like looking at actual squids the most comparisons are surface level and dont work too deeply#he kinda just looks like one at first glance but 1) doesnt line up well enough and 2) we dont have enough info on him anyways#hes more a reference to a squid than an actual squid bc there is the reference to sperm whales and giant squids fucking hating each other#but while oshus is literal whale bellum is like. some thing in the shape of a squid#im not sure what parallels oyu can draw between the jolene thing and bellum thing. if anything theyre opposites?#w/ jolene its like things got so bad (or w/e) that he just robbed her n fucked off and she decided that was enough to warrant murder#while with bellum things get so good (w/ link and co) that he risks his life for em and is turned against them for it?#tbh this kinda comes down to me having a pretty negative bias against jolene and. that ship. so yeah sorry#im not gonna give this any main tags or anything this is way too far off the beaten path and kinda negative#idk i hc linebeck as gay and a lot of other linebeck hcs just kinda. suggest that he kinda had a really shit time w/ jolene#i dont like her im trying to figure that shit out so i can be like. fair at least in how i write her but i dont like her#salty talks#sorry that i keep tearing away from the rabid squid thing but its like a minefield when i try to talk abt anything w/ jolene#theres not a ton of parallels or like shared themes or w/e and its just too dissimilar in little ways that its just. a thing#ill add this in a few hours later idk if youll see jt but like. i can go in depth and discuss stuff#in dms like im fine with that its just weird in posts bc like tagging and my thoughts are a mess#like if you wanna elaborate on your thoughts thats fine
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fontainefuckerys · 4 years
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Okay but the women of Rapture.
Can we take a moment to talk about how wonderful they were. And how much they deserved something like birds of prey was for suicide squad?
The writing just makes me wanna table flip.
So example: Diane McClintock.
She was straight up a boring clichee pretty Girl Andrew Ryan had picked up from some bar where she was working (if I got that right from the book) and did his "I promise you heaven on earth if only you follow me and ill be passionate about it and nothing else" thing on her and she was impressed. Impressed by his strong character, his determination, his Charisma, his passion. She wanted to be less the empty pretty girl and more like him. She followed him blindly, loved him truly just to become nothing more than an accessory for social gatherings as soon as his interest had worn off. He made her his secretary after Elaine, his former secretary, decided for Bill and a family with him. (Bless them so much)
I assumr he didnt pick her because she was suited for this position, but simply because she was somewhat of his girlfriend and he could profit from that. And poor naive Diane probably still thought he believed in her, wanted to open doors for her, wanted to help her become successful as well, grow as a person.
I dont even wanna know what she thought about the "Jasmine Jolene Ryans favorite gal" posters all over Rapture. She still had the status of his girlfriend, attended dinner etc. With him. And then she gets him cheating on her pushed in her face all over Rapture? Ouch.
Then, New Years Eve 1959. The attack. She got severely injured and her mother fucking boyfriend couldn't make time in his busy schedule of martinis before 3 to visit her ONCE. Fucking ONCE.
So she tried to fix her face up, hoping Ryan would like her again like that. This woman had such a low self esteem at this point that she felt like the accident was something SHE was sorry for and had to work on so he would like her again.
In that one echo Ryan said something about suspecting her to have an affair with J.S. Steinman. At this point who could be mad at her honestly. Plus in the book it was written how he thought about whom of his friends he could pass her on to. Too much of a coward to just break up with her he tried to PASS HER ON LIKE DAMN SECOND HAND CLOTHING. FUCKS SAKE ANDY.
Okay okay focus focus.
So after he cheated on her publicly, dodged her as good as possible, didnt even visit her in hospital she was still on his side. She still supported him and his dream.
What made her turn on Ryan wasnt how he treated her. It was how he treated other people. And if that doesn't make her a good person who deserves a good ending I dont know who does. Oh WAIT. NO. THEY KEPT FUCKING HER OVER.
Okay so Diane finally notices what her fucktard of a boyfriend truly is and decided to join the resistance against him.
Diane-Naive-Pretty-Misstress-McClintock actually decided to "fuck everything" and just fight her ex and his stupid capitalism with firearms. Like I pictute her having the most pampered life ever, yet she just decides to fight for those people. Not because she had to. Not because Atlas payed her or something. She just decided to do the right thing in her eyes.
Im literally so emotional right now I feel like that is such a power move and I think we should worship her.
And this is where I'm getting angery at the writers for real.
This was such a nice plot. Such a good twist. 10/10 unpredictable, badass, breathtaking, show stopping... you know where im going.
But they decided "Nah were gonna let her seem like the bitch who sucked up to the both most powerful men and then get killed off just like that."
Why.
WHY?
WHY DID YOU DO THAT?!
It wasnt relevant to the plot, it didn't show more in depth about any character.
Whoever scripted this i just wanna talk....
Besides. Even if she knew that Atlas was Fontaine, and I dont think she had met Fontaine in person often enough to recognize his voice from a few words, but even IF she knew. Fucking Andrew Ryan traumatized her so much she probably would have high fived him about it.
I mean it wouldn't have fit his character to let her live, I get that but...
SHE JUST DIDNT DESERVE TO GET KILLED OFF BY ONE POWERHUNGRY GREEDY BASTARD AFTER SHE JUST ESCSPED ANOTHER ONE. WHERE IS THE JUSTICE?!
Remember when I said I'd talk about the women of Rapture? Here we have an essay about one of them alone and im angry enough to fistfight Ryans entire security and Atlas on my own.
So if you wanna chat with me about wholesome Diane headcanons or rage about it or I dont fucking know just please talk to me I need to talk about her okay?
Also I feel like my English gets worse the more emotional I get so you're welcome to read this in my aggressive German accent.
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