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brookheimer · 1 year

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truly do not understand how people are JUST NOW seeing roman as a geniune character with depth and not just "haha funney man mommy issues sexual problems lol!!! 🤪" like listen i started watching succession like. 3 weeks ago. and people that were watching this from the second it came out couldn't see the importance of his character until now?? fucking eleventh hour??? anyways hes the queen of my heart 4 ever and ever

no literally like i genuinely just... cannot conceive of someone watching multiple episodes of the show and still not taking him seriously or seeing how tragic he is. it's one thing to think he's an asshole -- he is -- and it's another entirely to think he's a one-note sex-freak funny-guy who isn't written just as carefully and tragically as kendall and shiv. and it's not like this is new news either -- in the second episode, when logan was in the hospital, everyone was trying to figure out who would run waystar and roman was like can you guys shut the fuck up and worry about our dad? and then roman made greg go back to the penthouse to get him something that smelled like logan?!?! this was, again, EPISODE TWO!!!! and somehow people are only saying just NOW that, like, 'turns out roman roy is the most caring/empathetic/family-oriented/etc of them all'! like oh wow turns out logan roy is a bad father. turns out kendall roy is an addict. turns out shiv roy is not the best feminist activist. we have known all of this for a very long time and none of it contradicts the other parts of the characters -- logan is a bad father and a good businessman who is honestly not wrong about his kids, kendall roy is an addict and he is trying so hard not to be and to escape the cycle of abuse, shiv roy is a bad feminist and entirely the product of a family and an environment that refused to value her for her entire life simply by nature of her gender. why could everyone acknowledge these things for the other characters but not roman? why couldn't roman be both an asshole and a deeply tragic character like everyone else?

like, just bc you can't reconcile the unlikable aspects of a character with the nuances of their backgrounds/psyches/etc doesn't mean those depths don't exist, it just means you fundamentally missed the point of his character for at least 3 entire seasons. crazy how articles are really out here saying shit like 'improbably, roman roy shows emotion' like that is actually so incredibly embarrassing ? like, you're a cultural critic at a well-known magazine, your job is literally just getting paid to watch and analyze television shows, and it took you until the final season of succession to realize that roman roy is an interesting character and not just perverted comic relief? why would you admit that to the world for real

#queen of my heart 4 ever and ever 4 real. like . so real #idk what i'm gonna do w myself now that i no longer have to defend his honor. just kidding i am going to spiral about him anyways #also welcome to the lovely world of succession anon! enjoy your time here and by enjoy i mean undergo severe emotional pain #<3 #succession #asks #anon #roman roy #casey shut the fuck up about roman roy #<-- i have made a new tag for me rambling about roman #shouldve done this with like amy brookheimer and people too tbh but cest la vie #100 #this time on posts i didn’t expect to get notes

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kimwexlers-brownhair · 2 years

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L to OG?

That Guy.

Part of why he's so bitter about modern society is that back in the day, he was considered liberal and even a feminist because he was one of the first CEOs to hire women in roles other than secretaries (forget the fact he often still used these women as work mommies/wives). He supported Kennedy's campaign and that was the first president he met (at a photo shoot for young enterpreneurs).

He really only turned red in the mid-70s, thanks to racism, homophobia, and most importantly because republican policies clearly supported his growing business model more than the democrats.

He was never a movie buff, but he hated Orson Welles and everything he stood for.

His first celebrity crush was Cyd Charisse. He met her at a party once and got so nervous that instead of flirting with her, he exploded at a busboy and she gave him one withering look and walked away. He's never told anyone this, obviously.

In fact, he's very, very good at blocking out embarrassing memories. I think on a conscious level he truly does not remember freaking out at Andrew Dodds at Shiv's wedding.

Shiv has Rose's hair, but that's the only way she reminds him of her. Kendall and Roman remind him far more of Rose when they're at their most vulnerable and loving.

Succession Game:

Send me a character and I'll come up with a headcaon for them

#logan roy #succession #ask memes

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reasoncourt · 2 years

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good morning sursh <3 what do you think the roys’ favourite films would be? i’ve been turning the question round in my head for a while and i wanted ur input

Dee, I love you, great question. I'm lazy so I'm going to copy paste my roman and kendall answer and then go from there:

Roman tells everyone his favourite movie is fight club or pulp fiction - proper film bro™ movies. Has he watched either? Idk, probably maybe. Fight club has Brad Pitt in it, so definitely at least that one. But Caroline made him watch all the Audrey Hepburn movies with her when he was a kid so he’s secretly a Sabrina or Breakfast at Tiffany’s stan.

Kendall. it’s gotta be something really pretentious like citizen kane (I’m convinced people who list citizen kane as their favourite movie have no personality, I’m sorry. Or they haven’t watched any other movie. It’s like when straight men tell you Ryan Gosling is hot - I’m sorry??????). Or Kendall’s favourite movie has to be a girl power™ film bc he’s a feminist <3. Something like Portrait of a Lady on Fire (I love this movie, don’t get me wrong, but Kendall would absolutely think he destroyed toxic masculinity by naming it his favourite film). Secretly, though, Kendall really likes Adam Sandler movies.

Logan - something vaguely racist that has insufferable fans... It’s gotta be Gran Torino and Logan tells everyone it’s Gran Torino, that’s no secret.

Shivvy Shiv Shiv. The question isn’t what Shiv’s favourite movie is, the question is what movie does Shiv think Logan thinks should be her favourite movie. Answer - Gran Torino. So, Shiv tells everyone her favourite movie is Gran Torino and her and Logan bond over this. She watches it with him and grinds her teeth. But, secretly, Shiv loves when harry met sally and/or love actually. And Tom knows this because they are also his favourite movies and they watched them together all the time back when they still liked each other <3

#grain of salt these truly are my first thoughts #if you like gran torino no shade but it is very anti-asian #and it's very clint eastwood #and i think logan would think clint eastwood is neat #and that's probably one of the most damning things i could say about clint eastwood #logan also really likes westerns #all insufferable men like westerns #asks #dee #mwah ily <3 #succession

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mermaidsirennikita · 2 years

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Thoughts on the Tom and Shiv marriage/relationship?

I enjoy watching it so much but also it is so dark to watch?

I've said this a lot but I do want to point out that it's a bit weird to me that people sometimes act like Tom... deserves it? Or that it's like, a great feminist subversion? Because I have seen those takes, and while there is some level of feminist critique that I think you can use when discussing TomShiv, on a very practical level she's totally abusive to him and I think Jesse sees it that way as well--the last episode kind of sealed that for me. Like, genderflip Tom and Shiv and everyone would have a hugely different reaction to them. Which is probably the point, right?

The thing is that I do think Tom sincerely loves Shiv. Sure, there is an element of social climbing and power and money there, but above all else I do think he has a genuine love for her. It's in the way that Matthew delivers lines like "well I fell in love with your sister" to Kendall, almost off the cuff. Zero pretense, almost a disdain for the fact that his love is being... doubted? Which to be fair, is a legitimate complaint, because Tom has been through enough for the family that like... I think it's clear that there have to be emotional stakes in it for him. It can't purely be motivated by what he can get outta the relationship, because he is getting N O T H I N G. Like, was Tom even gonna get a good jail funding package? If Tom had gone or goes to jail, 10/10 Shiv is gonna forget to restock his commissary account or whatever. First week in.

And I will add that while I absolutely agree that there is a homoerotic subtext... text... between Tom and Greg, I think that what we are actually seeing, tbh, is a fuckton of projection on Tom's end. I don't think Greg reeeeeeeally cares that much about Tom anymore. At one point he did--in s1, when he told Tom about Shiv cheating, that was genuine. I think Greg is being super corrupted, which of course he would be, and in turn he is resentful of Tom's admittedly outrageous behavior towards him.

But Tom's behavior is coming from a place of basically taking out his pain from his relationship with Shiv on Greg. Which, like, the show has BASICALLY told us this. In season 2, when Greg told Tom he wanted a "business open relationship"--not super long after Shiv asked Tom for an open relationship... Tom lost his shit. In the same sense, Tom took Greg asking him to take more prison time for him in stride because fuck, has Shiv not essentially been implicitly asking Tom to be okay with taking prison time for her family all season?

Tom does this because he is basically powerless, in his mind, against Shiv for several reasons. Chiefly because he does love her, as many victims of abuse do love their abusers; secondarily, because he is wrapped up in her life financially on every level (which, tbh, is like.. also a pretty classic hallmark of abuse); and thirdly, because I think he holds Shiv up as this ideal of where he needs to be in life. Tom has always been a social climber--from the pilot, he's been intensely aware of where he is in life compared to the Roys. They are aspirational to him. Letting go of Shiv would be letting go of a dream, in a sense. So it makes sense that he wants to have a baby with her, because not only is this something permanent that they can't deny, tying them together forever; it's also a way of legitimizing himself, by tying his blood to the Roys.

Shiv's feelings are so fucking murky--or they were, but that scene with her mom pretty much spelled it out, didn't it? Shiv is really just perpetuating a cycle of abuse. Her father kicked her and her brothers and waited for them to come back, which they always did; and she's essentially testing Tom's love by kicking him constantly and seeing if he'll come back. This past episode was perhaps one of the DARKEST episodes of television I've ever seen, and I was genuinely disturbed by Tom and Shiv's "foreplay".

But also.... and lol I do speak from experience... every one of those kids have daddy issues. However, there is some truth to the specific kinds of daddy issues you develop when you are the daughter of an emotionally abusive or absent father, which I think Shiv displays brilliantly. She is guarded, putting up emotional walls that Tom cannot break down and truly, I don't think she wants broken down--and at the same time, she is desperately trying to create this relationship with a male figure who will give her all of the love she needs, while receiving none in return, and who will never leave her.

I struggled for a while last season with why Shiv ultimately couldn't throw Tom to the wolves, and I think it's for the same reason that she's finally (seemingly) giving in to his desires for a baby.... to an extent. (I mean, I think going from let's have a baby to let's freeze embryos is definitely a ploy, but I also think that Shiv is dumb and quite possibly got pregnant during the whole "I don't love you" sex.). She doesn't love Tom, really; she almost seems to resent his existence. But she needs someone to fill that gap that Logan left. Which is different, I think, than the totally emotionally frozen relationship he has with his sons; we see him have these little phony cutesy moments with Shiv. "Pinky", and all that bullshit. It's a different kind of pain that I imagine is quite intense, because that illusion of an emotionally close bond, the "special" daddy's girl/father bond was dangled as a carrot for her.

I mean, then you go into all of the psychological theories about how women who are into men and were raised or at least partially raised by men are essentially taught how to flirt and develop romantic relationships with men based off of their early relationships with their fathers. Look at Shiv and consider that.

It's just a sad, strange little relationship and I feel bad for both of them in different ways but I..... probably feel worse for Tom. Tbh.

#succession

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ladyofpembroke · 2 years

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One thing I think is interesting about Shiv is that she is very clearly bothered by what was done by the company but she feels like she can’t bring it up because the toxic environment she’s in/been raised in that rewards her for being ‘one of the boys’ and being a woman is only ever used as a token or shield for their misogyny. Like I think that with Shiv so much of her trying to prove herself is tied up the fact that she’s often trying to fight with the role that the family has made for her as the token woman. And maybe I’m wrong but I think that besides being interrupted and undermined during speech she was partially upset that Kendall was making light of what happened with the song.

Obviously not giving shiv a free pass on everything she’s failed to do but I think it really bugs her that Kendall’s posturing as a feminist when he’s explicitly misogynist, like ‘yeah I might not be acting like a feminist, but you’re a fraud pretending to care about these women when you don’t’

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I was expecting Meghan to drop some bombs about how the royals treated her but it was way worse than I thought

Anyway I’m so proud of Meghan

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I think one of the things that makes it clear that Kendall is in it for himself (besides his hypocrisy with misogyny) is he’s just spewing the same bs you’d see on any get rich scheme, he doesn’t have an actual business plan. Also using Alexander the great’s empire after his death as an model when it’s one of the most iconic examples of the problem with not having a clear line of succession, when his generals took over different parts of his empire they became weaker and less influential not more, and the fallout and instability lasted for decades. I love these writers

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