#jen lindley defense

[love-geeky-fangirl]

Some of you can't differentiate between:

This character is entertaining to watch vs this character is a good person

And:

This character is on a downward spiral that causes them to make mistakes and hurt people vs this character is an awful person that is actually the villain of the story

And it shows

#rory gilmore defense #jess mariano defense #cassie howard defense #jen lindley defense #jenny humphrey deserved better #idk who else to add

[love-geeky-fangirl]

Everyone's behavior towards Jen after the X incident is just so unfair. Like I could get behind Jack's initial reaction because he was scared for his sister. But to continue to freeze her out a week after?? And what reason does anyone else have to be mad at her?? Andie is a big girl and she took the drug herself, it was her decision. Like imagine if this was the other way around and Jen took Andie's drugs. Everyone would say that Jen is a trainwreck who doesn't know what to do with herself and nobody would even think to blame Andie.

It reminds me a lot of Luke and Lorelai's behavior when it came to Jess. Lorelai got so mad at him for getting into a car accident, nevermind that it could've been prevented if Rory had just driven her own car. Or after Dean punched Jess at that party. Luke automatically blamed Jess and refused to listen to him when he said that Dean started it.

#i'm just realizing jess x jen parallels #both are the banished bad seed from new york sent to live with relatives in a small town #gilmore girls #dawson's creek #jen lindley defense #jess mariano defense

[love-geeky-fangirl]

Jen and Pacey are both banished seeds from NY but they cannot be more different in personality. Jen was really nice and wanted to fit in, but she was judged by the town people (like that teacher in the ‘Dentition’ episode) because she was from NY. Also, I never saw her as the blonde bad girl bomshell the show wanted us to think she was. She doesn’t really give off NY party girl vibes, she always seemed Midwestern to me.

I agree with you about Pacey not being an angel (so does the OP of the post because she has posted about people overlooking Pacey’s flaws). I do think Jess is a punk but that’s why I found him entertaining. I think I liked him as an agent of chaos more than Rory’s bf. I was getting bored of Rory/Dean after they dumbed Dean down so I didn’t mind Jess’ antics (though I still think they were shitty). I enjoyed Jess’ dynamic with Luke, and I think it made sense for Rory to be attracted to him. I just don’t think he was mature or stable enough to be in a relationship with her.

Unrelated:

I wish Rory could have dated the more mature version of Jess. I always had a feeling that the show wanted Jess to have a bigger role in Rory’s life. Jess was the only one of Rory’s whose perspective we got, and he wasn’t just built to be Rory’s love interest, he was introduced as Luke’s nephew. Its obvious the writers wanted Jess to be Rory’s Luke, and the guy who knows Rory best but couldn’t portray it in the narrative because Milo’s contract wasn’t renewed.

In S6 Jess said he knows Rory “better than anyone”, but considering he hadn’t seen her in years, I doubt he knew her better than her friends or her mom. Thus, his speech felt unearned (I felt the same way when Dawson’s Creek kept telling us that Joey changes men and inspires them to be better. This is who they wanted Joey to be but didn’t portray it in the narrative). Gilmore Girls kind of relegated Jess to the guy who occasionally pops up in Rory’s life, gives her advice, and pops out.

Maybe in personalities they aren't all that similar other than being rebellious teenagers with a self-destructive streak but at the same time quick-witted and snarky. They also both have parental traumas and "daddy issues" (as much as I hate that expression). Where they are the most similar is the town's treatment of them. No matter what they do they're always outsiders. When something shitty happens, it's their fault. I have ranted about it already here:

As for you pointing out that Jen doesn't really give off party girl vibes I sort of agree? It's like the whole town stereotyped her for being a pretty blonde girl from New York and immediately assumed she's a dumb party girl. Like she tried to start anew and make a good impression. She pretended to be this innocent girl: "I like to party and have fun substance-free" but it didn't work. Meanwhile Jess acted out because he didn't actually want to improve his reputation and start anew, he WANTED to be kicked out and go back to New York.

You preferring Jess as an agent of chaos and not a boyfriend to Rory is your own preference which is totally valid.

I also wish Rory got back with Jess in season 6 and it did look like she was going to and I still believe that if Logan hadn't gotten into that accident, they would've broken up and she would've gone back to Jess, much like in season 3 when they got together right after her breakup with Dean. Even their last kiss parallels their first.

I think people misread Jess's statement that he knows Rory better than anyone. I think he was saying that he knows her better than anyone else HE knows not anyone else that knows Rory. He wasn't claiming he knows her better than her own mother that would be ridiculous. But he does know her and understand her very well, sometimes even better than Lorelai imo.

#gilmore girls #dawson's creek #answered #parallels #jen lindley deserved better #jess mariano defense #jess x rory #literati #anti rogan #anti logan huntzberger

[love-geeky-fangirl]

Yes, when I first watched the show and Eddie was introduced, I was like, “that’s a knock off version of Jess.” I thought Eddie and Jess were both assholes. However, I always found literati to be more compelling because of their chemistry and I was entertained by some of Jess’ shenanigans. Also we got to see Jess’ dynamic with other characters, such as Luke and Liz, and more of his backstory, which we never got to see with Eddie. We don’t know what made Eddie such an asshole. Moreover, as you pointed out, Eddie is 25 when he dates Joey so its harder to forgive his behavior.

And, yes, there are parallels or similarities between literati and PJ (especially when it comes to the shows’ respective love triangles). Both Jess and Pacey have neglectful parents (but so do most teens in teen shows) and date smart bookish girls (Rory/Andie/Joey) who help them realize their potential. Jess and Pacey not being able to buy prom tickets due to their poor academic standing is another parallel that sticks out.

It just that I’ve seen so many people (not you) say Jess and Pacey are essentially the same person even though I think they very loosely fit the same archetype/trope.

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Recently someone made a post contrasting Jess and Pacey. You may not agree with all the takes because the person who made it is an ex literati shipper. Too add on, I think one of the reasons why Jess grates on my nerves, aside from his self-righteous attitude, is due to Milo’s acting choices. He makes Jess come off overly harsh (which makes sense as he’s meant to be a bad boy) whereas Josh Jackson gives softer or more nuanced performances.

Hmm so I read the analysis and I do agree with some of it but I would like to talk about this point:

"Jess was a little shit doing petty crimes around town while Pacey was basically just existing and everyone hated him." The difference is though that Pacey was born in Capeside and grew up there while Jess was born and raised in New York. That's where his heart and home was. He was shipped off against his will so he decided to pull those pranks and act out so that Luke sends him back. But he didn't which is very admirable of him.

Maybe in this way Jess is more similar to Jen than Pacey- they're both the "banished bad seed from New York".

Also this person is obviously biased against Jess, which I know people are biased but I do not think that Jess is a little shit or an asshole and Pacey is a sweet innocent little angels, they're both flawed but overall good people.

#dawson's creek #answered #gilmore girls #parallels #jess mariano defense #pacey witter #jen lindley