#it was never about rhaenyra

[bohemian-nights]

Daemon loved his brother but ultimately thought he was weak. In episode 10 when Rhaenyra is considering not going to war Daemon begins seeing that same weakness in her that he saw in Viserys (and the fact that despite being Viserys’s heir for so many years he never trusted him with the prophecy). That is of course in no way shape or form justification for choking her but that’s just how I interpreted that scene.

Yep. Daemon recognized he got a carbon copy of Viserys with the same weaknesses and obsession with his dreams instead of a new and improved version of his brother. The choking was definitely a reaction to this realization 👏🏽

#lol this is why I laugh at the ones who think this a love story #he sees Rhaenyra as the Viserys he could have and hoped she’d listen to him and wouldn’t be a weakling like his brother #turns out she really is exactly like his brother in the ‘worst’ ways in his mind #it was never about rhaenyra #he was using her to fill in a hole #and she was deficient #bnask #bnasks #anti daemyra

[hopemikaelsongf]

laenor and rhaenyra: masters of being sooooo discreet at their own wedding party

#camera pans to the table: over here we can see... the former bff the moms the dads are nAWT happy about this #also interesting to note. all the couples are drawing closer to each other and then theres alicent and viserys jhdbajsh #house of the dragon #targaryensource #targnation #gameofthronesdaily #hotdcentral #hotdedit #rhaenyra targaryen #laenor velaryon #corlys velaryon #rhaenys the queen who never was #joffrey lonmouth #daemon targaryen #viserys i targaryen #alicent hightower #daemon x rhaenyra #rhaenys x corlys #laenor x joffrey #daemyra #hotdsource #hotd spoilers #hotd

[criston-cole]

#hotdedit #houseofthedragonedit #house of the dragon #rhaenicentedit #rhaenicent #rhaenyratargaryenedit #alicenthightoweredit #rhaenyra targaryen #alicent hightower #myedit #i might never shut up about it ever #they just want to fucking love each other

[iheartbookbran]

actually you know what in retrospect the best part abt the Debling plot was that the reason he decided to not propose to Penelope after all was bc he realized that the minute he put a foot out the door he was getting cuckolded by Colin lmfaoooo

#and he was actually correct like pen didn’t even deny it asdfhkkhgdsdgj #my girl was fully committed to having brown-haired kids with two blond parents a la rhaenyra targaryen #the fact that it was cressida who told him makes the whole situation even funnier #anyways where the fics at??? #penelope featherington #colin bridgerton #polin #anti debling #not really gotta feel sorry for my guy he was never even a player #the plot device that keeps on giving and i will never shut up about it #bridgerton #bridgerton spoilers #bridgerton season 3

[feminist-cult-following]

it’s been just over a year since we got alicent’s driftmark monologue and the way olivia delivers the line “where is duty? where is sacrifice?” has never left my mind. that scene alone should have earned her an emmy nomination.

#olivia cooke the actress that you are #sorry but I’ll never stop talking about that scene #It’s my Roman Empire #house of the dragon #alicent hightower #hotd #rhaenyra targaryen #team black #team green #olivia cooke #emma darcy

[sihtriggyr]

The more I think about it the more insane I find the Driftmark confrontation. Rhaenyra was at eye level and tending to Luke with her back turned toward Alicent (her back!! She was not facing Alicent! She had no idea Alicent was coming at them with a dagger until the last moment when Alicent had already crossed the room!!) when Alicent went after Luke with the catspaw dagger AND during that entire confrontation NOT ONCE does Alicent loosen her grip on the blade but instead continues to push against Rhaneyra with it in her hand. At one point the blades point is quite literally inches from Rhaneyra’s face and then she proceeds to slice Rhaenyra’s wrist open!! and zero punishment. Just nothing. Insane.

#like actually insane #idk it just gets me #because people will say she couldn’t get away with anything #and yet #I suppose aemond losing his eye is punishment enough #but also this whole scene just doesn’t make sense to me #and I know someone will see this and give some smart ass comment #about rHAENyrA wAS neVeR PunISHed FoR HaVING baStARDS #and if that’s all you have to say because this annoys you #please just leave this post alone #just go away #pro rhaenyra targaryen #rhaenyra targaryen #pro team black #team black #pro team black stans #team black stans #anti tg #anti tg stans #anti ah #anti ah stans

[st-eve-barnes]

I usually don't engage in discourse about team green vs team black but following the link in Tom's Insta story yesterday I just posted my opinion, that the show wants us to be team black but team green is just way more interesting to watch (for me).

Within minutes someone had to point out that I was supporting a r*pist and how I was "team misogynist".

I washed my hands of the whole thing after that but still got notifications for every new comment and man do people take this shit seriously!

It's a FICTIONAL SHOW with fictional characters who are NOT REAL. Nobody actually got hurt, I need people to realize this because I don't think some do lol

Also, double standards much? If you hate Aegon so badly but make every excuse in the book to point out Daemon isn't that bad.

Girl, please.

#hotd #aegon #team green #also the way people are so shocked that team green has supporters #how?? #do you never root for the underdogs? or the villain? #literally the only thing people say about Rhaenyra is she's “the rightful queen” #do they even like her beyond that?

[kcrra]

fellas, is it gay to clutch your first love with a knife in your hand as you both bleed, physically and emotionally, over the tragedy of your love and the wreckage of your lives, forever intertwined and yet never more far apart, a wound that will never be healed but instead only deepened as what you once had rots ?

#because it is giving gay to me. i have never seen more repression in an image than this one #rhaenicent #rhaenyra x alicent #alicent hightower #house of the dragon #i literally cannot stop thinking about them. at all

[bbygirl-aemond]

i've just been thinking about how the men who should have loved rhaenyra and alicent the most were the ones who caused them the most pain in their girlhoods

#“everywhere in the world they hurt little girls” #yes this was inspired by an edit of logan and shiv roy to taylor swift on tiktok #and what about it #it's by @nabruart_ if you're interested #i have never watched succession tho so my brain went here #fire and blood #fab #otto hightower #otto #alicent hightower #alicent #viserys targaryen #viserys i targaryen #viserys #viserys i #rhaenyra targaryen #rhaenyra #hotd #house of the dragon

[lunasglow]

I have never come across a Rhaenicent shipper who acts normally about Rhaenyra ever. Hoping her death is brutal + treating deleted scenes as canon for the sake of victimizing Alicent further is just odd.

I just think it’s evident that many treat this wlw relationship as a means to make Alicent more sympathetic by framing her as the “repressed queer” and Rhaenyra as the “villain” in the dynamic bcs she doesn’t love Alicent back. It’s a comfortable framework that ignores Alicent’s transgressions against Rhaenyra and her children + makes it acceptable to openly hate the latter by placing the blame solely on her. Very little about the ship actually has to do with wlw love.

#idk but I will never take this ship seriously #I need them all to stop talking about Rhaenyra #hotd #team black #house of the dragon #rhaenyra targaryen #asoiaf #house targaryen #rhaenicent #alicent hightower #anti team green

[drakaripykiros130ac]

Green stans finding their way into the Team Black tag trying to convince people that both Teams end up losing the war - Never not funny.

Please, read the book and try to understand that even though the Blacks didn’t win the way they expected to, they still won. They’re still standing. They actually exist.

The Dance ends with the Seven Kingdoms under the control of the Blacks (since the final battle of the war was won by them):

Aegon III Targaryen

Viserys II Targaryen

Baela Targaryen

Rhaena Targaryen

Alyn Velaryon

Cregan Stark

Jeyne Arryn

Kermit Tully

Corwyn Corbray

Black Aly

Benjicot Blackwood etc.

Where are the Greens in this whole scenario? Dead? Extinct? Cool. Justice. House Targaryen’s biggest mistake, corrected.

So, you TG stans finally get the picture? The Greens are history (not even that, since history doesn’t bother remembering them).

#team black #pro team black #I don’t really care about what delusions they spew in their own tags but when you come into my precious TB tag shit will get real #Keep your fanfictions away from Rational People who understand Asoiaf tags #And stop living in denial while you’re at it. The Greens have no legacy. They are never even mentioned in current Asoiaf storyline #rhaenyra targaryen #anti team green #anti team green stans #asoiaf #canon asoiaf #asoiaf meta #hotd #house of the dragon #anti greens #queen rhaenyra #the dragon queen #daemon targaryen #aegon iii targaryen #viserys ii targaryen #cregan stark #the lads #kermit tully #benjicot blackwood #alysanne blackwood #the blacks #jeyne arryn #baela targaryen #alyn velaryon #rhaena targaryen #corwyn corbray

[ladymorghul]

the way alicent was like “the king did not wish for the murder of his daughter he loved her i will not have you deny this” and threatened jasper with sending him to the wall for his suggestions while in the black council daemon was like “that whore of a queen murdered my brother and stole his throne and youc ould have killed her for it” and “we can put every green head on a spike” and in ep. 8 before coming to kl rhaenyra was like “those vipers rule in my father’s stead” 

not even otto spoke of rhaenyra the way daemon spoke of alicent....

#alicent hightower #anyway the objective truth is that rhaenyra never cared as much for alicent as people claim to #she straight up did not #we have got to accept that and move on #this was always about the care alicent had for rhaenyra #even thought it should have realistically ended in episode 7 #the narrative wont let her let rhaenyra go bc rhaenyra is so special nothing that she can take away from alicent isnt worth it

[watcherintheweyr]

desperately need people to understand that alicent is a victim but she’s also an abuser and a perpetrator

that she actively makes choices to harm other women because of jealousy and envy and the greed deep in her bones because submitting to suffering didn’t get her what those women fight to grasp for themselves.

she is absolutely a victim, in show.

that doesn’t change that she abused rhaenyra and her children, her own son, most likely helaena given how she flinches every time her mother touches her, and is actively weaponizing the patriarchy of westeros against other women- rhaenyra primarily, but also mysaria and dyana.

she isn’t the moral, righteous force of good that even she thinks she is, she’s a wounded woman directing all of the rot, pain, and fury inside her at the wrong people and forces.

#anti team green stans #anti team green #anti alicent hightower stans #i don’t wanna say it’s anti alicent bc honestly it’s more ‘accept her for who she is bc she’s so much more complex and interesting when you #but i made this bc someone genuinely tried to say that the reason people hate her is that they don’t see her as a victim #most rational people know show!alicent is a victim #it’s the point that’s she’s an abuser as well #that makes them dislike her #that she’s a hypocrite and a traitor #i don’t even like young alicent bc i don’t at all think she was a good friend to rhaenyra #‘it’s not your place to question the plots of lords and men’ to the named heir #dismisses rhaenyra’s hopes and idealism entirely out of hand #is baffled that rhaenyra is more worried for her fathers happiness and mother’s wellbeing than her position #she knew as early as ep 3 that otto was conspiring against rhaenyra and never told anyone #condemns ‘targaryen customs’ only to wed her daughter to her son even younger than she was when otto dangled her before viserys #acts entitled to rhaenyras secrets whilst condemning and judgemental even though she did not give rhaenyra that same courtesy #made no attempt at apology for the insensitive comment of aegon’s birth #though rhaenyra DID try to apologize for the ‘imprisoned in a castle’ line and tried to comfort her #uses her power as queen to push past the space rhaenyra is trying to create because she feels heartbroken and betrayed #rhaenyra took part in alicent’s culture with prayer at alicent’s urging because she cared about alicent and alicent was trying to help her #alicent is never once shown to return that favor instead condemning it for ‘queerness’ and growing to later #erase and remove all targaryen and valyrian heraldry from the red keep to replace with her own #like alicent is a victim and i DO have empathy for her. but i don’t like her and never will #especially not after the way her stans behave #she deserved better than otto’s machinations and viserys’…. viserysness #but that can also be true whilst i condemn her actions and behaviors

[um-weird-flex-but-ok]

“Rhaenicent shippers are just Alicent stans that hate Rhaenyra”

Nah babe, we’re Alicent AND Rhaenyra stans who don't ignore the fact that they’re complex characters that both have flaws and are therefore not a woman hating tradwife and a two-dimensional girlboss feminist queen

In fact, I love that Rhaenyra’s dumb and bitchy, she’d be boring if she wasn't

#fanon Rhaenyra is y’all being delulu #grrm has never written a character as flawless as y’all pretend Rhaenyra is in his life be fr #not even the starks are that perfect and yet y’all think the a targ from a book written about how fucking stupid danys ancestors were— #is some sort of saint?????? #house of the dragon #alicent hightower #rhaenyra targaryen #rhaenicent #alicent x rhaenyra #hotd

[gwenllian-in-the-abbey]

do you think if succession war between aegon II and rhaenyra never happened, would it have happened between jacaerys and aegon III?

would daemon really allow jace to be king because his daughter would be queen?

Hi eve! I could easily go off on so many tangents about Daemon and Aegon III and Jace, but I think the question has a pretty simple answer: yes, a war is inevitable if Rhaenyra or Jace inherits, and if not between Jace and Aegon III, then between Jace any one of the seven remaining trueborn male claimants.

First, I think Daemon's role in Jace's possible succession issues is overstated. Could he arrange three very convenient accidental deaths for the oldest boys to make sure that Aegon III is set up to inherit whether Daemon himself is alive to see it or not? Sure. But he also did not do this to any of Alicent's children, instead he waited to see if Rhaenyra and Aegon would fight. My gut feeling is that by the time Daemon is in his 50s, he just does not care enough. Will he feed Aegon III the idea that he should be the heir, that he has more Valyrian blood, he's trueborn, etc.? Likely. But I think Daemon would leave it up to Aegon III to fight for it, rather than conveniently clearing his way. That said, the fact remains that Daemon could drop dead the day after Rhaenyra took the throne, and there would still be people who would find it advantageous to align themselves with one of the trueborn claimants to the throne. Jace's problems do not begin or end with Daemon.

Keep in mind, this is the argument Criston Cole used to convince Aegon II to fight. It's often conflated in the fandom with "Rhaenyra will kill your family to secure her reign," but interestingly, Criston says that all of the king's trueborn sons have a better claim than Rhaenyra's "brood of bastards," that is, he frames the real threat as occurring when a bastard attempts to inherit ahead of trueborn sons, and although it's not relevant to Criston's point so he doesn't mention it, of course Aegon III and Viserys II are included in this number. Now, unlike most of the fandom, Criston frames this threat as coming from the bastards towards the trueborn sons, rather than the trueborn sons towards the bastards, which is convenient for convincing Aegon, but also happens to be a good point. Daemon and/or Aegon III don't have to have Jacaerys killed, they simply have to corroborate the story that Jace is a bastard, and press Aegon III as a claimant. At that point, Jace can either admit to being a bastard and step aside, or go to war. And it doesn't have to be Aegon III. If there is no Dance, there are still seven trueborn sons and grandsons of Viserys who can raise a legitimate challenge to Jace's claim (and disclaimers apply about bastardy being a construct, no one can prove it etc. etc., but once Rhaenyra, Corlys, and Viserys are dead, it becomes much more difficult for Jace to defend himself against those claims). And this is in essence why it was absolutely insane of Viserys to overlook this issue, but that's a different tangent.

That's the problem with a lot of the arguments that Alicent "lied," or poisoned her kids against Rhaenyra and her kids, that Rhaenyra never would have hurt her brothers, Daemon never would turn against Jace, that Aegon III loves his brother, or what have you. Rhaenyra, Daemon, Jace, and Aegon III do not even have to be the ones who personally initiate violence against their rivals, Rhaenyra, whose claim is already non-traditional, has built her line of succession on shaky grounds. At any time during Rhaenyra's reign, or after she dies, or during Jace's reign, or his son's reign, if the lords of the realm are unhappy for whatever reason, they have a perfect pretext to decide that Rhaenyra wasn't the true heir and/or Jace was a bastard all along (take your pick) and the line was illegitimate, and challenge him.

And unfortunately for poor Jace, regardless of whatever loyalties Aegon III might hold for his brother, Aegon II has two trueborn sons who have zero reason to have any affection or regard for cousin Jace. If Aegon II doesn't want to be king, can we be sure his sons don't? And likewise, even if Aegon III is loyal to Jace, can we be certain his sons will love their uncle and cousins as much as he does? Jace is not stupid and a lot can happen in a decade or two! This is why, even though it's also true that Otto and Alicent probably would have tried to put Aegon II on the throne regardless, Criston's argument that anyone who stands in Jace's way will have to be eliminated (by Jace and whoever upholds him as the true heir) in order for his succession to be clear, is the one that convinces Aegon II. Because it's true, and if Jace does not eliminate the potential rivals, at some point someone will challenge that line, and the result will be as devastating as the Dance.

#asks #aegon iii targaryen #jacaerys velaryon #aegon ii targaryen #daemon targaryen #anti team black #team green #i hate tagging it like that because it's just a discussion #but i also don't really need people yelling at me about how rhaenyra or daemon or aegon iii would never

[mal-zoya]

certain someones: it’s CONCERNING how people are shipping alicent and rhaenyra. CLEARLY you haven’t read the book. you SHOULD read it because then you would NEVER ship them. you just WAIT. you know NOTHING. in the BOOK they have big AGE DIFFERENCE. they are NOT FRIENDS. alicent is her STEPMOTHER. but you don’t know that so i’ll TELL you. they are ENEMIES.

and like

#i have never seen fandom more angry about shipping lesbian enemies ever in my life #wtf is this #lmao #rhaenicent #alicent hightower #rhaenyra targaryen #house of the dragon #hotd spoilers