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ofbreathandflame · 11 months
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im sorry im breaking my anti fast for this bc its literally the most idiotic thing i have ever seen.
"some people hate sjm for the racism in her books"
yeah NO SHIT.
that has always been the point.
thats literally the entire point of being anti sjm posts. thats literally all we talk about in the anti tags. but shortsightedness and an unhealthy relationship with these characters has always blinded y'all to that fact.
you see this is why i could not stomach conversations because you guys constantly make a mockery of the problems in sjm's work and only acknowledge the problems for a 'gotcha' moment. EVERY SINGLE TIME we have talked about how the racism in sjm's work affects the writing of her characters you guys have made it into an anti feysand problem, and by doing that you have willingly separated yourself from the problems in the story. the reality is that the racism affects the way these characters are written -- including your favs. do not dare twist the main message of antis to fit some twisted little point you want to make toward specific blogs. i have been on my last account for over two years and EVERY TIME i -- or any anti -- has talked about the way sjm's racism bleeds onto the text we have been undermine, ran off our blogs, sent hate mail. so yeah it pisses me off to no end to be sent the dumbest post in the anti tags to ever exist. yall do not care about her racism, her misogynoir. if you did, you wouldn't be calling people brain dead for daring to dislike your favorite ship for valid reason -- i.e. the racism. we talked about the complexities of how racist the portrayal of the illyrians were -- and we were dismissed as anti feysand and therefore 'braindead.' we talked about the way women of color and the allusions of FGM (female genital mutilation)-- and we were called anti feysands and then dismissed. stay out of the anti tags -- especially if you are the ones perpetuating these dynamics. i was ran off my blog for discussing these issues for two years. y'all sent hate mail, called me tamlin stan -- called others tamlin stans -- for even daring to discuss the racism in sjm works. that's not even touching the nehemia situation, or crescent city. fuck off the tags. you literally have a blog dedicated to this woman and her racist ass characters, you shoot down any criticism of them because of it, and then yall have the nerve to come into the tags for the some hehe hahah tamlin stan bs??? double fuck off. the anti sjm tag has always been a place for that criticism. always.
addition: and these problems are not just valid when discussing characters you don't like. the illyrians are written to brutes, with the bat boys operating as the 'model minority'. the story justifies the lack of infrastructure, and the misogyny (misogynoir depending on how you classify illyrian women), the lack of progress.
'its a culture problem'
'rhysand has tried, but they wont listen'
like do you know how crazy it is to write a group of people as permanently mentally stunted? to classify their women as nameless entities that our main character can shift in and out of to satisfy her supposed 'man of color' sexually? feyre cosplays as a woman of color for SEX, meanwhile in FIVE BOOKS we've met one named illyrian woman and shes described 'interesting,' but not as pretty as opposed to nesta and gwyn, mor, and feyre who are the prettiest people to walk the earth. that don't sound CRAZY to yall??? these people of color are left without leadership, without infrastructure, no access to a golden city, no access to their high lord, are forced to breed out warriors who live and die without ever getting to enjoy the city of velaris, the house of wind for survivors. all of that so that the maincharacters can live out that power fantasy. its racist. thats what it is. please think consider reading comprehension b4 yall make these gotcha posts because it really stinks of weirdness.
the illyrians are treated like rabid animals by their leaders, by everyone and then the responsibility is on them to somehow progress when everyone is unwilling to give them nothing more than scraps. like there's a real life counterpart to this, and yall arguments are very real and very damaging.
they are written by the author to be a permanent second class deserving of their position because they're minds somehow cannot comprehend any 'progression.' all of these characters including rhysand, feyre, mor, az, cassian, tamlin, nesta say racist things toward them because THE NARRATIVE thinks they're justified in saying them. like the moralizing is wild in this case bc all of them are allowed to get away with it. its not just tamlin or nesta, not just the valkyries (which is an ENTIRELY different scenario btw). like the idea that all of the bad can be ascribed to the 'bad' characters and the 'good' characters somehow don't feed into those racist tropes is WILD. rhysand literally told us -- the reader -- the in the war against slaves and their oppressors somehow it was an equal battle. like?????? somehow 'both sides were at fault' ignoring that one side WAS LITERALLY SLAVES. like can u imagine if someone looked at the Haitian revolution and was like....yeah the side of the oppressors was somehow on equal footing when the other side WAS ENSLAVED? how can u acknowledge this author is racist and then pretend that the racism only bleeds over to the characters you *shockingly* don't like?? yes -- there is a problem with feyre wearing illyrian wings BECAUSE SHES THE HIGH LADY. she made herself that title. of course that carries a different weight. the racism is ingrained in the text, not just some little trinket to flash when you want to moralize bullying a small group of people with strawman arguments.
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acourtofthought · 1 month
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I think it's fair to say that my blog is extremely Pro Elain Archeron as well as Pro Lucien Vanserra as well as Pro Elucien.
Keeping in mind that I adore Elain.....
It's interesting how certain people in the fandom consistently downplay the importance of Lucien's character. How it'll be no big thing for a biracial disabled male who was forced to witness his first loves murder and chased out of two homes to be rejected by his mate who he longs for two years after their bond snapped while remaining loyal as he makes no demands on her as she figures out her new world.
They'll say this as if Lucien Vanserra was not someone in book 1, a book where the author thought Elain was just going to be a stereotypical "bad stepsister" sort of figure.
Can we stop and think about that for a moment? The author did not think Elain would be anyone to the series at first.
That clearly changed for both sisters and she set them both up to have epic journey's but from book 1 LUCIEN received main character energy. Tragic backstory. Hints that his business with Beron and his brothers was not over as he had never forgotten what they did to him even if he pretended he had. Right hand to a High Lord, a High Lord who said he put Lucien in the position he did because he was better at things than even Tamlin himself. We were told Lucien was fast, handsome, sassy, brave.
Lucien has ALWAYS been someone.
And when she realized the sisters were going to have their own stories beyond what Feyre was seeing, she considered having Lucien and Nesta end up together because again, Lucien was always meant to play an ongoing role which now involved his possibly becoming Feyre's brother in-law. After mulling that over she realized that she did not want this "someone" from book 1 to have a love interest who would cause him more suffering (likewise for Nesta).
So instead of Nesta, she mated Elain to Lucien. One can assume that is because she felt that he and Elain would be better suited to one another. Why would she not want Lucien and Nesta to worsen one another's trauma but felt fine with Lucien and Elain worsening one another's trauma? There's no logic to that. And an Elucien pairing would again lead to him becoming Feyre's brother in-law, seems like something she was really pushing for.
I'm so very sorry that people pretend Lucien's character is not important but it sure sounds to me that Lucien has been her focus for much longer than either of the sisters, that she always wanted him to be in Feyre's life in a major way and that she'll make sure Lucien will not end up unhappy with a rejected bond.
Of course the sisters became an extremely important part to the series in book 2 and beyond but just because her love for their characters grew, it does not mean her love for Lucien diminished. It does not mean that what some think Elain wants before her own story became more important than what SJM has always wanted for Lucien.
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azrielsbxtch · 11 months
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but the Feyre haters will go on about “Feyre still just became a boring housewife with Rhys” as some kind of pro for Tamlin/Feylin simply because of a poorly written pregnancy plot. As if this girl didn’t fight in the battle at Velaris and take out the Attor, as if she didn’t fight at the Summer Court, as if she wasn’t front and centre at the HL meeting, out and about making deals with death gods and library monsters, as if she didn’t destroy the Cauldron and Rhys literally gave his life for her to do that, as if she didn’t call the meeting for renegotiating the peace treaty, as if she doesn’t still do so many things for Velaris like attending their town meetings, building charities, teaching children (the reason we don’t see anything she does in acosf which is where the criticism stems from is quite frankly because Nesta couldn’t give a fuck about the running of Velaris and what Feyre’s doing with her days). they’re genuinely delusional if they think the girl at the start of acomaf is the same girl in the rest of the series (but tamlin stans usually are).
Honestly if people don’t understand the difference between Feyre having a baby with her MATE who is the love of her life and being forced into a housewife position by a man who abused her then it’s not my fault they have shit for brains
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nikethestatue · 2 years
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Hello! I'm new here and I'm not sure if I'll be active. I just went here to ask something. I felt like I'm reading the whole series wrong or I missed something but I am sure of what I read. After finishing acosf, I was sure Elain will have the next book. I have a hint that her story will contain breaking of a mating bond, a choice, and her seer power and another unknown. I was excited how she and Az would face Koschei but at the same time I think Vassa will be the one to kill him. That was my whole thought. And truth be told, I am excited for Elain and Azriel. I went to fb and tiktok and also started looking for fanarts. Now, I appreciate crackships, but I was still surprised to see Gwyn and Azriel. I thought I missed something, and someone told me to read the extra chapter,but it only confirmed Elain and Azriel for me? And tho I think the scene with Gwyn and Az are there, it only reminds me of Cassian and Emerie. Nothing more. Someone also told me to read their theories, I did because I was so confused. How did it happen that a crackship, which is okay, became like a "true" ship?
I read Gwyn's heritage theory, her mating bond with Azriel, Elain's pliant bone, light and dark, and everything but I noticed one thing. Gwyn's a side character that was given too much importance by the fandom. It's okay but most of who she is is not who the fandom paint her to be. It didn't make any sense for me but I still tried to understand it since they said sjm confirmed Gwynriel. As far as I know, Gwyn was written to be Nesta's friend, her story was already told, and she somehow have this power I can't point yet but not really important for the whole acotar series plot? But somehow the whole acotar world revolve around her.
And it saddened me to see Elain haters. Like everywhere. They want her to be evil or get killed or raped or something. It kinda disappoint me that they see her as a boring one who do nothing. She's not my favorite, she's not even in my top five favorite but I think she's getting this massive kind of hate because Azriel has feelings for her while she's mated with Lucien. This is supposed to be an interesting plot but the fandom thinks it is too ugly. I also noticed the way everyone hated Azriel "lusting" over Elain, which I disagree since we see how he cares for her from Acomaf to acosf and the extra chapter just proved their feelings are mutual. They paint Az as someone who barely controls himself and would fuck Elain anytime he want, which is not true, but still ships him with Gwyn who is not ready to be with a man in the books? And don't get me wrong, but I thought Gwyn is a like a teenager or a child?
I think acotar fandom are so obsessed with the ships that they will ignore everything and ship Azriel with the first person who breathes the same air as him except Elain. I am more baffled to see Tamlin fans and shipping him with Elain, because, isn't he abusive? And I see people comparing Rhys and Tamlin. Haha I am still new but I am over acotar fandom already. I don't think I will last long here. I'm sorry to say but acotar fandom by far is one of the most toxic I've seen again after so many years. The series is good, not great but good, and the fans are too misogynistic and hateful and pro abusers. I've been told by a friend the fandom wasn't like this before Acosf but I guess I'm too unlucky not to witness it.
I reached to you because I saw you got reblogged by one of Gwynriel and I'm still like one week new in acotar fandom but honestly I am so relieved to see your blog. And also other Elriels. It felt like I wasn't alone and people see Elain's true capabilities and choices. I read the series correctly. So sorry for the long rant. Thank you!
Oh Anon,
I totally understand everything you've said. And I get it. Nothing you've said is incorrect and no, you DO read the books 'correctly'!!
You are clear and concise, but people in this fandom are so lost, so utterly confused, can't tell the difference between fanart/canon/and headcanons. There is no critical thinking--just nonsense from TikTok or Reddit. Like the other day, there was a huge post on Reddit 'proving' that Elain and Tamlin will end up together. And like--just 3 weeks ago, the author herself yet AGAIN said that Tamlin is an abuser. So how can you reason with people like that? There isn't a way to argue or have a logical conversation.
Canon's been lost a long, long time ago in a sea of (non)'theories', loud TikTokers and artists who add fuel to the fire to keep interest on them.
At the end of the day, nothing surprising or unexpected will happen. Elain and Azriel will be the couple. Elain will get her book. There will be bond related issues that they'll have to overcome. Lucien will end up with Vassa. And Gwyn will remain a character in the background for the duration of the series.
That's all there is to it. SJM will write an Elain book, just like she planned for years, and Elain will end up with Azriel.
And no one will care, in the end. Some will seethe and be all mad, but then it will pass and no one will remember the Gwynriel / Elriel shipwars.
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flowerzchild · 3 years
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WHY I BELIEVE ELRIEL IS ACOTAR 5
DISCLAIMER: As you have read from the title, this post is strictly pro-elriel and my personal opinion. If you don't agree or don't ship them then kindly move along no need to be mean to people on the internet over their personal preferences and opinions.
THE CASE OF THE BONUS CHAPTERS
In my opinion, if you base your argument that Elain and Azriel will not be together by only using his bonus chapter alone then it is very unwise.
As it stands, Azriel’s bonus chapter is only extra content that can be not read by the readers. This is proven by its accessibility only extends for US readers, even then the book that contains the chapter is only sold by one bookstore chain so many US readers don't have the chapter unless they are engaging in the fandom.
The same goes for Feysand’s bonus chapter. Granted, there is nothing altering in Feysand’s bonus chapter except to give us a little insight into how they came to name Nyx and them discussing Elain and her potential. However, there is one major line that makes it clear Elain’s book is next.
“Let’s focus on helping one sister before we start on the other”. (FEYRE’S BONUS CHAPTER IN ACOSF)
The line above had no business to be in Feysand’s bonus chapter if Elain’s book is not next.
Why? Well, the bonus chapters are placed at the end of the book and by the time we arrive at that chapter Nesta’s story is very much told.
Like, Sarah has said, I don’t think Nesta’s journey is finished, what I am saying is that her story is been told then it will go to the other sister, Elain.
Thus, for me, those two chapters only intend to be a confirmation of Elain’s book and Azriel as her love interest.
Now, if you want to argue that Azriel’s POV is a confirmation that he and Gwyn are mates then it should’ve been included in the actual book.
What I mean by included is his apparent ‘mate behavior’ toward her or hell anything resembling romantic interactions.
Why? So that casual reader also notices there is something going on between them.
Now, what is the purpose of Gwyn being in the bonus chapter? When you look back at the actual book, you will notice one thing that is mysterious about her: her singing/voice.
Nesta reacted to her singing and so did Azriel’s shadows. No, I am not saying she is 100% a lightsinger, I am saying that her presence in the bonus is meant to give us a little clue of her power not her and Az as mates. Like I said, there should've been something romantic between them that is included in the actual book. Their interactions in ACOSF are incomparable with Elriel's interaction.
But again, we shouldn’t base our argument on chapters that many may think not exist. The main evidence of the next book should be from ACOSF itself.
ELAIN AND ELRIEL’S BOOK CONFIRMATION IN ACOSF
Elain who seemed to be very compliant and passive suddenly show the other side of herself in ACOSF that take everyone by surprise.
Elain who everyone thinks is a people pleaser suddenly talked back to Nesta when she was about to be coddled.
Elain who has been passive since the original series suddenly volunteered to help find the dread troves or anything to help resolve the Koschei situation.
Now that Nesta couldn’t find the missing trove because she lost her powers and Feyre bound by the death bargain with Rhysand, who else the inner circle turned to?
Now, that Koschei is still a threat, which female character that was from the original series side character that had a connection with him and that’s been highlighted the glimpse of change in character throughout ACOSF?
You may argue that Elain showed little development in ACOSF, however, she is set to be the main character.
If she is not set to be the main character then it would make sense for her development to be in the background of another character’s story.
A main character’s character development is a part of their narrative journey to become a developed character at the end of the story (as we’ve seen with Nesta and Feyre). Therefore, we need to read it from their inner thoughts to witness and make sense of the scenes that make them a changed character.
Also, may I add that Nesta’s development was regressing not developing in ACOFAS but her book is next, isn’t it?
Now, when we have established that Elain is the next main character based on ACOSF alone, we must now analyze who will be her love interest.
It is either to be Lucien and Azriel (Tamlin never in the equation just because they are associated with flowers and no Elain doesn’t want to be coddled she literally talked bak to Nesta when Nesta doesn’t let her scry, where do you get that Tamlain shipper?).
Let’s compare their last interactions in ACOSF, shall we?
“Cassian’s heart strained at the pain etching deep into Lucien’s face as he tried to hide his disappointment and longing. Elain only shrank further into herself, no trace of that newfound boldness to be seen.” (ACOSF, CHAPTER 58)
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“...Then his gaze shifted to Elain, and though it was utterly neutral, something charged went through it. Between them. Elain’s breath caught slightly...” (ACOSF, CHAPTER 58)
We have these two interactions between Elucien and Elriel in the same chapter as if Sarah herself wants to point out the obvious where Elain’s feelings truly lay.
I know Elriel's confirmation is probably not very convincing for some people. However, we must take into account both characters’ personalities.
If you have read Azriel's bonus then you will notice that Elain is very shy around Azriel (she was shaking and nervous when she gave his present remember?) and Azriel tends to mask his emotion when he is in the presence of others (Nesta is the one narrated their charged glance).
So yes, that scene is enough confirmation for their attraction, they are naturally quiet and shy. I expect no less from them as a confirmation especially when we don't have their POVs when we initially reach that part in ACOSF.
A POSSIBILITY OF GWYNRIEL/ELUCIEN BOOK IS NEXT?
The only way I could see Gwynriel getting a book is if their book is a novella.
As I have made a post here, Azriel and Gwyn do not have a direct (read: major) relation to the main plot that can carry it to its peak in ACOTAR 6.
Because of that their book should be a novella since nothing major happen in their book except that maybe they got together.
However, we know that the novella’s release date has been pushed back and forth and Sarah herself admitted in her March Instagram live that she doesn’t know what the novella is going to be.
So it safe to assume that the next installment will not be the novella, rather, the full book or the actual book which inherently will be Elain's and by default Elriel's.
The next book could be about Elucien if only they have interactions at all in ACOSF so that it will build up their unresolved conflict. I’m basing this argument on Nesta and Cassian’s interaction in ACOFAS.
In ACOFAS, despite the fact that Nesta and Cassian were fighting there were indeed interactions between them that must be resolved. Instead, in ACOSF the only interactions that actually happen and need to be solved are between Elain and Azriel.
“He’d been replaced in training by a stone-faced Azriel, who was more aloof than usual and wouldn’t even give her a smile.” (ACOSF, CHAPTER 59)
The thing that needs to be resolved between them is explained by their misunderstanding that happened in his bonus chapter.
Yes, I am aware that I said we shouldn’t base our argument on his bonus chapter, however, the line above is a direct callback and outcome to what happens between Elain and Azriel as well as Rhysand’s warning in his bonus chapter.
How else you’re going to explain why Azriel became more aloof than usual if not resorting back to that particular fight between him and Rhysand because of Elain? How else you're going to explain why Elain and Azriel suddenly stop interacting after they are confirmed to be attracted toward one another?
Regardless of our contrasting opinions and interpretation of Azriel’s POV, we must remember that it is a bonus chapter and those scenes in his bonus might not be canon for those who have not read it or learned of its existence.
Also, in order to speculate the next book's main character, we need to get past the barrier of romantic interactions and actually think about what the next main character will contribute to the main plot of the story.
As it stands, only Elain can carry a book by herself regardless of any romantic subplot. And because Elain’s book is next and we’ve seen close to zero interactions between her and Lucien then her love interest will be Azriel.
Elucien and Elriel have been built up alongside each other since ACOMAF, and yet only one of them that’s progressed and is being set up when it comes to the plotline. So yes, Elriel is the endgame.
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letsgonessian-blog · 7 years
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ToG and ACOTAR Questions and my answers...
1) Which of the ToG characters do you relate most to?
Um…. Um….. probably like, Lysandra or something? Maybe even Elide… but she went through a lot, so...
2) Which of the ACOTAR character do you relate most to?
Amren! Totally Amren! I’m sorry, I just love her, so….
3) Which character in either series do you think you would dislike the most in real life?
HAHA TAMLIN YOU UTTER *insert curse words here*
4) Which character wouldn’t like YOU in real life?
Haha…. All of them probably. Actually, I bet you Tamlin wouldn’t like me, because I would have punched his little scrunched up face off.
5) Which character would you be best friends with irl?
Rhysand. Please, please, please….
6) Who’s your otp from acotar?
FEYSAND!! FEYSAND FEYSAND FEYSAND FEYSAND!!!
7) Otp from ToG?
Um…. Manorian probably.
8) Did you ship Rowaelin from the moment he came into the picture?
Kinda sorta maybe… but I ship it.
9) How quickly did you stop shipping Chaolaena? Or do you still ship it?
I stopped shipping it the moment he became a jerk.
10) Which character do you ship yourself most with and why?
I don’t feel good enough for any of them. They’re too beautiful… but honestly, probably Lucien for no apparent reason?
11) Ships that annoy you and why.
*Claps hands together* Varian and Amren? No no no. Tamlin and Feyre? Please get out of town.
12) Do you ship Amren and Varian or would you rather Amren remain alone?
As I stated before…. No no no. No Varian. Be single Amren. Be the one single person.
13) Any theories about where Amren came from and what her real form is?
DRAGON! SHE IS A DRAGON!
14) How do you view Rhys’s actions UtM?
He did what was best. Kinda weird, but it was for the best.
15) Do you want Tamlin to die? Are you pro redemption arc? How do want his arc to end?
Haha no redemption for you. Kill him. Kill him slowly. Creatively. Just kill him.
16) Which villain out of both series do you hate the most?
Does Tamlin count? King of Hybern, probably.
17) Do you blame Elena?
Well… I mean, she was misguided, she didn’t know what she was doing, I probably would have screwed it up more...
18) Which villain do you want to slowly suffer and which one do you want a painful death for?
Again, does Tamlin count?
19) Tell me how you feel about moriel, elucien, and nessian.
Yes. Is that answer enough?
20) Thoughts on “nameless is my price?”
*Starts sobbing* PLEASE DON’T GO AELIN!!! NO!!!
21) How do you think ToG will end?
With a happy ending please… nah, who am I kidding? Maas is going to tear apart my OTPs once and for all...
22) Do you prefer the Celaena story arc or the Aelin arc? Or do you find that the difference between the two is simply character growth?
They’re the same person, but not… I like Aelin though.
23) Long haired rowan or short haired rowan?
Long haired. Don’t know why.
24) Which character would you most like to hook up with?
Rhysand.
25) Which character would you most like to fall in love with?
Rhysand.
26) How would you feel if Sam were resurrected in ToG7?
Please no. That would be so awkward.
27) How do you feel about Elorcan atm? Do you forgive him and think Elide should? Or are you angry with him?
I’m not angry with him. I just can’t be.
28) Thoughts on Fenrys and Connall?
I love Fenrys. He’s just so funny! Connall, I don’t know much about...
29) What do you think the importance of “princess of carrion” and all the other stuff the book says to Feyre is?
Oooh!! Well…. Not sure. Doesn’t Feyre think she’s a whore or something?
30) Do you think any major characters will die in Acowar? Who?
Please no. Please, please no. I think maybe…. Nesta or Elain. Don’t know why. And maybe… Mor?
31) Did you ship feylin in acotar or were you always side-eyeing it suspiciously?
I hate to admit it, but I shipped it. I did feel like something was off, and I loved Rhysand, as weird as he was.
32) How do you think Feyre will handle being in the spring court again?
She gonna be epic, she gonna be spying, then Rhys will save her and she be like, “He my mate suckas!”
33) Head canons for your otp!
?
34) Name a ship you hope ends like the titanic…
?
35) What do you think Feyre’s father is up to?
No idea.
36) Do you forgive Nesta and Elain for how they treated Feyre?
Hm…. yes, sorta, maybe...
37) Favorite morally grey character.
Would that be like… Lucien?
38) Favorite villain.
Um. Um. UMMMMM. No idea.
39) Favorite god from ToG
Anneith.
40) What theories do you have about the bone carver?
HE TOOK THE FORM OF FEYRE’S SON! I KNOW IT!!
41) Any theories about the cauldron?
Not really sure...
42) Favorite funny moment from ToG
Oooh ooh!! THE MOMENT WHERE AEDION WAS LIKE, I WOULDN’T WANT HER IRON TEETH NEXT TO MY FAVORITE PART IF I WAS HIM!!!
43) Who is funniest character?
Aedion/Rhys
44) Where is Nox???
Plotting a comeback.
45) Are you down for Rowaelin/Feysand babies in the epilogues or would you want them to wait?
Don’t wait. Call 8! Jk, please have babies.
46) What is the King of Adarlan’s name?
McDonald.
47) Do you have any f/f or m/m ships?
Hm…. Honestly, not really, because Maas didn’t really give that insight...
48) Any part of the plot in either series that you would change?
Put all my OTPs back together.
49) How do you think the lock will be forged?
Nope.
50) Who is a better male lead? Rhysand or Rowan?
RHYSAND!
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