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menalez · 3 years

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Well, you are wrong again, because you are either ignoring the history or you are supporting the historical anti semitism among the Arab population in the area. You need to read the history of the region in twentieth century and i suggest you look into the policies of Haj Amin the organizer of the fidayeens to terrorize the jewish population, about the Arab mob attacks in Jaffa and Petah Tikvah, the Hebron and Safed massacres by the Arabic population that killed hundreds and terrorized the Jewish community. The British who had mandate over that area during that time barely intervened against the Arab attacks which emboldened them and they continued to use riots and violence against the Jewish population as a means to threaten and expel them. And in your previous answer you didn't even answer any of my questions but just went tangentially about principles of debating (lol). That land was stolen and established over the blood of Jewish people who wanted to settle there peacefully but were subjected to harsh anti semitic policies of the Haj Amin el hussein. And this may surprise you, but someone can acknowledge the right of Jewish people for a homeland in that region and still oppose the bombing of schools and civilians.

the false dichotomy of “arab” vs “jewish” is ridiculous. jewish arabs are a thing. christian arabs are a thing. muslim arabs are a thing. religious conflicts existing doesn’t somehow justify a completely different population from europe coming into the country and forcefully expelling and harming the existing population. it’s very much possible to oppose anti-semitism without supporting colonialism, war crimes, and the displacing of a population.

i actually did answer your questions lol. and this is you continuing to switch goalposts btw! here’s what you asked:

Why are you opposed to Zionism though? Isn't that just a movement for a Jewish homeland?

and here is my answer:

i’m not opposed to zionism as in opposed to the idea of a jewish state nor opposed to a jewish homeland being created. i’m opposed to a certain form of zionism as it exists TODAY, which is not about estabilishing a homeland but rather stealing one from others. let me highlight in the current definition of zionism what exactly i oppose:

1.a movement for (originally) the re-establishment and (now) the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel. It was established as a political organization in 1897 under Theodor Herzl, and was later led by Chaim Weizmann.

i oppose the idea that because a population needs somewhere safe to be and a place where they are accepted, that it somehow means that what is necessary is to harm and oppress another population. there are countless parts of the world where there are hardly any inhabitants, and the establishment of a jewish state could’ve been done in numerous ways which do not involve invading a country [after its population did not agree to giving most of their land to a smaller foreign population from europe], nor does it necessitate stealing land, and killing the existing population. i oppose the zionist idea that because a jewish state would be good for jewish people, that it must be created by taking over palestine and that it should be done at the expense of palestinians. that’s what i oppose.

and your second question:

Also, why aren't other middle eastern countries accepting and naturalizing Palestinian refugees who have been there for half a century or more?

with the answer:

they should not be doing this to begin with, full stop. they should not be stealing land and expelling people from their homes and pushing them out of their country. end of sentence, end of argument. the things you’ve brought up are justifying actions which you admit are wrong as well as calling for others to work around these actions, ie putting the responsibility on everyone else rather than the perpetrators. why do they need to steal land and push people out of their homes to begin with? why do they need to expel a population from their country? why did they need to take that particular land? why do they need to kill people and persecute them? why do you expect the rest of the middle east to work around that, instead of expecting the israeli government to stop doing such things?

i do not deny that antisemitism exists. i do not deny jewish people’s right to defend themselves, nor their right to speak up against the persecution they’ve faced, including in historical palestine. but i certainly don’t think any of that somehow justifies a different group of people in europe invading and colonising palestine and then persecuting the entirety of the palestinian population, both the ones with israeli passports and ones without. and considering countless palestinian jewish people have spoken about how they’ve also been harmed in the process and their opposition of the colonial government, i reckon they don’t think that justifies it either.

you support the right for a jewish homeland (cool, so do many people who oppose zionism in its existing, modern form) and “still oppose the bombing of schools and civilians” yet.. you still support the very government doing the bombing, you still justify their act of bombing, you still support their reasoning behind their bombing, and their persecution of palestinians. you saying “its wrong” but then carrying on with reasons why it’s justifiable to you and placing the responsibility on neighbouring countries to work around the Wrong Acts You Still Oppose tells me you’re not actually opposed to it at all, acknowledging the absolute minimum of “killing civilians is wrong” isn’t the same as opposing it.

anyways, if you want to keep switching goalposts and being intellectually dishonest, i probably will eventually get sick of it and end up blocking you, fyi.

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peaceandlovenoonecanstopthewar · 4 years

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9. Why Zionism And Nazism Are Not As Different As Many People Think: How Racist Ideologies Are Largely Accepted by Otherwise Well-Meaning Citizens

This article originally appeared in Peace & Love, and was written by AntiWar Advocate A.M. McGee

The genocide and apartheid of Palestinians by the Zionist-Terrorist State of Israel, is not something that many people are talking about, though it is something that deserves greater attention. I imagine that during the Holocaust, the “disappearance,” of many Jewish families wasn’t something that was talked about much, either. Since I firmly believe that Israel is responsible for the Covid-19 “plandemic,” the murder of the “sick, the old, and the lame,” to subdue the greater population, is another tactic that Zionists have taken out of the Nazi playbook.

Many modern proponents of National Socialism, (or “Neo-Nazis” as they are sometimes referred to) see classical Nazism as a natural response to Jewish monopolies of German, and other European, financial institutions. The official story of how these institutions came into being is because of old Christian laws in Europe that forbid Christians to engage in money-lending. Because these laws did not apply to Jews and other non-Christian foreigners, Jewish people became the primary financial lenders in society; and became rich off of accrued interest. This is where the idea of “Jewish-Zionist controlled Banks,” Jewish monopolies, stereotypes about “greedy deceitful Jews,” and the idea that Jews control most financial institutions comes from; because frankly if you look at people like the Rothschilds or Henry and Marcus Goldman (of Goldman-Sachs) they do, and so viewing Nazism, or National Socialism, as a “solution” to the “Jewish problem,” can be traced all the way back to pre-war Europe.

While Zionism and Nazism seem like two philosophies that should be diametrically opposed. This article hopes to explain why National Socialism isn’t the “solution” to Zionism, that many think it is; and isn’t an appropriate response or reaction to it, because Nazi policies towards Israel aren’t that much different from Zionist policies.

In 1948 many proponents of the creation of a “Jewish Homeland” in Palestine, saw the creation of the State of Israel as a response to the German Holocaust in Europe. Many Jews believed that without a “homeland” to call their own, they would forever be subjected to discrimination, prejudice, and “anti-Semitism,” (discrimination against the Semitic races; like Arabs, Turks, Egyptians, Palestinians, and Jews) in both Europe and the United States.

Proponents of the creation of the State of Israel used the slogan, “A Land Without a People, for a People Without a Land.” To help build support for their cause. The problem was, of course, that there were people already inhabiting the land. The Palestinians who built cities, towns, farms, mansions, and railways; all before the Zionists ever set foot there. Land that was taken from the Palestinians was seized by illegal warfare, far worse than what was seen in Europe, and far more personal. Palestinians were killed and stolen from, raped and pillaged, not because of what they were; but because of what they were not: Jewish. What was done to Palestinian Christians and Muslims, who lived peacefully alongside Jews for centuries, in 1948 and again in 1967, can only be described as a massacre and a bloodbath. And every single day since 1948, the Jewish Zionist control over the Palestinians gets worse and worse.

What is not well-known, however, is that even Adolf Hitler, (while not being a Zionist himself,) supported the Zionist cause long before 1948, and proposed the creation of a Jewish homeland as a place to “get rid” of the Jews that plagued Europe. (This agreement between Zionist Jews and German Nazis was known as the 1933 Haavara Agreement, and it offered land in Palestine to Zionists.) This is why so many so-called “Anti-Semites” still support Israel, because they see Israel as a place for both American and European Jews to go; and like Adolf Hitler, view Israel as a place to “get rid of” unwanted Jews.

While it’s no secret that the Nazi party was responsible for most of the “anti-Semitic” propaganda and rhetoric against Jews in pre-war Europe; it should also come as no surprise that most of the Islamophobia and prejudice we see against Arab Christians and Muslims comes from Jewish and Zionist sources. This is why most people who consider themselves “not racist” can still hold the most obscene racist and xenophobic prejudices against Arabs, and Arab Muslims, in particular. And I believe it is this propaganda, combined with Jewish, American, European greed; and lust for oil and other resources, that is responsible for all of our “Endless Wars” in the Middle East.

Furthermore, Jewish-Zionists also try to appeal to Christians by referring to the Bible as “Judeo-Christian,” when in reality the oldest congregation of Christians in the world lived in Palestine and have been murdered, uprooted, or displaced by the Zionist State of Israel. Israel refers to the people and lands that defend themselves from Israeli takeover as “terrorists” when Zionists are, of course, the true terrorists and Christian-killers. Adolf Hitler was largely reported to be a Christian Lutheran, of Catholic extraction, but tried to replace Christianity with a kind of Paganism based loosely on Norse Mythology. In that way, both Zionists and Nazis are the enemies of Christianity; as well the main causes of hate, fear, and xenophobia in the world today. If Israel annexes what is left of Palestine, then the Palestinians will become a “people without a land,” continually subjected to the same genocide and apartheid that they have been at the hands of Israel for decades; just as the Jews purported to be, before World War II.

As we see the patterns of selfishness and indifference play out today, exactly as they have in the past... We are reminded, continuously, that nations and citizens need not operate with extreme malice in order to do extreme harm; ignorance, complacency, and stupidity are quite sufficient. As Martin Luther King Jr. said, “He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it.”

- Peace & Love

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