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colorisbyshe · 3 years

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if you want to complain more about clamp I am listening :) as someone who owns many volumes of the manga in multiple languages...... I am listening. <3

okay i’m just gonna rant in a very, very long post everyone please just avert your eyes mental illness is happening

but like....... as someone who was nostalgically reading these manga to bring back some happy memories i had as a kid, discovering that these series (ccs which i remembere dfondly despite not having actually watched/read as a kid, and trc and xxxholic which i read with some of my best friends at the time) are not just deeply flawed but harbouring so much like... frankly heinous shit in them is like??? deeply hurtful to me???

and like... i could handle cardcaptor sakura being full of evil shit because i had no deep personal connection, i just wanted to better understand ccs references in tsubasa and lik better appreciate syaoran and sakura and like its 90s shoujo OVER COURSE ITS FUCKED UP! just like sailor moon and fruits basket like it’s not good but like... i can process it

trc hurts me because like... the character writing for kurogane and fai is fucking PHENOMENAL, the concept is cool and interesting and unique, it (for the most part) has great themes and the way it explores concepts like grief, trauma, sacrifice, and healing was a balm to my quarantined soul

but you can tell where they realized they literally... did not know how to resolve their plot? and it got so complicated it legit gave me headaches but at least i had kurogane nad fai and then they’re shoved to the side just for it to be revealed that syaoran... is syaoran and sakura’s son... looking to meet up with sakura... to be with her... so they can be his parents

like... wow so great to watch this beautiful relationship be explored with kurogane and fai saving each otehr from the worst part of themselves just to be sidelined for “what if those fourth graders from cardcaptor sakura where husband and wife AND mother and son but like NOT REALLY becaues syaoran is also syaoran’s own dad so is it incest or just really confusing” but no it’s both like legit when falling in love with sakura he comments on how she’s just like his mom like hello bitch? you’re 14 but i’ll still kill you that shit is WEIRD

so that wAS NOT GREAT and then it ends with THE GROUP SEPARATED AT THE END?? SO I COULDN’T EVEN GET A HAPPY ENDING like yeah maybe it’s good sakura and syaoran were separated but kurogane and fai got to stay together beacuse... fuck the incest but like... where is my catharsis where is my happiness??

and i’m rereading xxxholic which was my favorite of trc/xxxholic as a kid and... first off, it’s boring, secondly, it thinks it’s smarter than it is an dhas contradicting themes every other chapter, but FUCK it’s so interesting but doumeki, himawari, watauniki, and yuuko don’t have half the bonds as the TRC gang and like... i still don’t know why doumeki was going so fucking hard for watanuki

but the concepts were interesting enoguh and watching watanuki grow was nice

but you can ALSO tell AGAIN clamp just got bored and didn’t know how to wrpa it up so suddenly watanuki gives up ALL HIS BONDS AND HURTS ALL HIS FRIENDS just to be reunited with yuuko??? despite the themes of the story being about how self sacrifice causes scars on others?? and that’s BAD like if you love your frieneds you don’t hurt them by undervaluing yourself??? THATS A BASIC THEME OFT HE STORY

and then they rush to pair off doumeki with a girl THEY HELPED RAISE so he can have children to stay with watanuki... himawari is written off despite her last interactions with watanuki being about them caring for each other anad choosing to stay in contact despite her curse... and like yuuko’‘s entire character is never explained she’s just like “i’m a woman who exists as a vehicle of plot in both TRC and xxxholic i will never be given depth beyond that... well also i’ll ruin watanuki’s life”

and hen the last chapters are just watching everyone grow up while watanuki is alone, never aging, helping grant wishes where he watches other immortal beings suffer and lose everyone, and it just ends with him relizing he likely won’t ever see yuuko again but he’ll keep waiting?? even though it’s been 100 yers and everyone he loves is dead??

and that shit is not good for my mental health like i feel like i have been isolated fo ra hundred years beacuse of covid watching watanuki choose it hurt edeply

like half the manga is about syaoran and sakura begging him not to vanish (also that plotline was WEIRDLY dropped) and the series ends with him effectively... vanishing a sa person and just becoming shopkeeper

how fucking depressing??

i could handle a sad ending if it had value. if it said something. if it didn’t have doumeki marrying a girl he knew since she was an abused elementary schooler while he was like 17. ESPECiALLY when IN THE PANELS REVEALING IT it weren’t like “atcually neither of them love each other they love watanuki but it’s fine” like HUH????????? FOR WHY

and ive really had to grasp the reason why there’s so much fucked up shit (incest, pedophilia) in those series is core to CLAMP’s messages accross all their mangas about soulmates nad how about love can triumph over everything

and like using such a PURE message to be like “if an adult is in love with a child and they’re soulmates, it’s to be” is so fucking evil

like they’ll tip toe around kurogane and fai, yukito and touya, doumeki and watanuki, and all the gaybait that i KNOW is in their other series because i’ve grown up seeing shit like tokyo babylon and legal drug and all their other dropped manga

because gay peopl ebeing soulmates is a wink and a nod

but ADULTS WITH CHILDREN THEY ARE IN CHARGE OF??? MOTHER AND SON MAYBE??? oh that’s fine they’re REAL soulmates who will go against TIME AND DIMENSION MAGIC ITSELF to be in love

like...............................

gay people are second class characters compared to pedos and incest... does it get worse than that? like besides emotionally destroyed by the sad endings, i get that shit too?

it hurts on a deeper level like feels like a betrayal and i’m kind of really sad i revisited something i enjoyed so much as a kid (even when i didn’t understand wtf was going on, because i was literally reading it at the same time my friend was and rushing) andd discovered this like... deep rot inside it

i could have continued to remember it fondly but now it’s just like... reaching the last bite of cake and being told it was made with maggots like... well i already ate it all...

there’s no point reading clear card or the unfinished tsubasa/xxxholic sequels because they’ve already ruined themselves like they can’t fix it

kurogane and fai still won’t be allowed to be together. watanuki still outlived everyone who ever loved him for a mother figure that can never come back. cardcaptor wrote off the fourth grader engaged to hre teacher but like... sakura’s dad is still a preadator

like... what do i do with these left over feelings then?

i’ll be over it in a dya but like for tonight i really do feel unwell

okay thank you i got it out in one post i am processing the feelings

i am gonna cry about watanuki being alone tho

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ladyhindsight · 5 years

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To me, it seemed like Clare almost *fetishized* the Jace-Clary sibling plotline. It was like them being siblings but still being ~in love~ made them some sort of modern day Romeo & Juliet. While I’ve only watched the first season or two of GoT, from the beginning it’s made clear that Cersei and Jamie are antagonists, and that almost everything they do is wrong. Their incest is never romanticized, their murder attempt of Bran isn’t made to seem like some attempt to cover “their love” but rather to cover their misbehavior, both incestuous and adulterous. The show sends the clear message that their behavior is wrong (and I’m assuming the books do, too, but please correct me if I’m wrong). With CC, on the other hand, everything ridiculous and selfish and potentially hurtful to others that Jace and Clary do is swept under the rug with the ultimate message that it’s all okay, because in their world what matters most is their love for each other, no matter who they hurt in the process.

TLDR; Clare seems to romanticize incest between her protagonists, while GoT uses it as a tool to villanize their antagonists further.

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So I finally managed to sit down, sorry again for taking so long.

I definitely agree with you where Clare is considered. Jace is written as a hero and the story caters to him and is more often than not in his favor. Clary’s, too, when the occasion rises. Like you said, Jace and Clary are written as characters whose moral ground ends up always being the highest, no matter how questionable and wrong their actions seem to the readers. The narrative actively pushes readers into thinking that their choices and actions are always superior and right in the end.

Same goes with their relationship. I’ve said before that Clare’s writing is incredibly biased, whether she realizes it or not. That bias exempts Jace, Clary, and sometimes Simon from being responsible or facing repercussions. It also colors the way she wants readers to perceive Jace and Clary’s “incestuous” relationship because nobody in the books really gives two shits about it. Nobody deems it morally wrong nor voices opinions. Clare doesn’t entertain those ideas because she most likely doesn’t want a conflict where Jace doesn’t get to be the number one.

I don’t quite agree on that incest is a tool used to villainize Jaime or Cersei per se. At this point, Jaime and Cersei’s relationship is more of a footnote, really, though in itself it doesn’t make them antagonists. What I appreciate about the narrative that Martin creates is that it simply states things as what they are. It doesn’t force you into thinking you must like a character because they morally “better” or hate them because they are eEeVil. You are free to like and dislike whatever characters you wish but the story still has other things and characters to offer.

Clare’s writing doesn’t really allow that. If you dislike this one thing then too damn bad, the whole book’s going to suck because this one thing is all she’s going to write about. There seems to be no wiggle room to even argue these points to her because the ones that have tried, for what I’ve noticed, have simply understood something wrong because they don’t like that Jace and Clary get to be an assholes with no consequence.

And those consequences that Clare believes are weighty don’t end up mattering at all in the long run. Nor do they develop the characters or make them grow as persons.

I am also in the sort of understanding that Martin and his readers are pretty much on the same page as to what the characters are about. Martin doesn’t mask his characters’ immoralities and vices as something they’re not, his writing doesn’t treat them as better or worse than others, but rather he explores them in different ways and with different outcomes. Whereas Clare favors few and romanticizes and dilutes themes that are far more complex than some angsty forbidden love.

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