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nadziejastar · 5 years

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Do not get offended, but I think you're pretty obsessed with the relationship between Axe/Lea and Saïx/Isa. I do not deny that their friendship has been fundamental and essential in many aspects regarding the development of their characters, decisions and stories. But sometimes I think that you always try to go further, gilding the lily, only looking for details to justify a relationship beyond friendship, giving your theories as real, when it's clear that this is not the case.

Eh. I feel no reason to be offended because I know that what you’re saying about me is simply not true. I mean, I am obsessed. But…I have an obsessive personality. For better or worse, it’s how I have always been with anything that interests me. But I’m not obsessed in the way you are characterizing. It sounds like you’re saying I have shipping goggles on and I am deluding myself into seeing “signs” that don’t exist just because I’m so obsessed with this fictional pairing.

But that’s not the case. I’m so “obsessed” because I think there was a really great idea behind this ship, and it would have made a great story if it was allowed to run its course. But it was so underrated compared to Roxas/Xion/Axel that it got treated extremely badly in canon.

Axel: Well, I think you can be inseparable even if you’re apart.

Roxas: Really?

Axel: Sure, if you feel really close to each other. If you’re best friends.

Roxas: What’s it like having a best friend, Axel?

Axel: Couldn’t tell ya. I don’t have one.

Let’s not forget that this isn’t the first time Square-Enix has used a combination of sunset and waning crescent moon imagery for their characters. Final Fantasy X did this, too. Nomura is quite fond of that game. He knows damn well what those symbols mean.

Yuna: I want my journey to be full of laughter.

Tidus: Okay.

Yuna: If we should get separated, just whistle. I’ll come running. I promise.

The Okinawan word tida means “sun”. Yuna means “moon”. Most people probably know their story. They are Twin Flame lovers. Complementary opposites. Light and Dark. Yin and Yang. Inseparable.

Yuna: Pretty…

Tidus: Sure is.

Yuna: I wish I could live in a place like this. Peaceful… Living with a smile on my face every day.

Tidus: You can, once you beat Sin, right?

Yuna: But then a new Sin will be born anyway.

Tidus: Well then, you can just beat it again.

Yuna: I wish I could.

There are two particularly important scenes. One is the sunset on the Highroad where Yuna was recording a sphere saying her goodbyes to everyone.

Yuna: “So… So this is what it feels like. It’s a much more wonderful feeling than anything I had ever imagined. Wonderful…but it hurts, sometimes. I wonder. I…I just want to say, thank you for everything. Maybe…maybe that’s why it hurts. When I… When I think about us never being together again at all…”

She accepts that they cannot be together, even though she loves him.

Tidus: “Let’s go to the sea, before the sunrise. The city lights go out one by one. The stars fade…Then the horizon glows, almost like it’s on fire. It’s kinda rose-colored, right? First in the sea, then it spreads to the sky, then to the whole city. It gets brighter and brighter, till everything glows. It’s really…pretty. I know you’d like it.”

Yuna: “I’d like to see it, someday.” Tidus: “Well you can, Yuna. We can both go! Yu..?”

Yuna: “I can’t. I just can’t! I can’t go!”

And the other is the lake where they share their kiss under the moonlight. Tidus tells her that the sunset in Zanarkand is so beautiful and he wants her to go.

Yuna: “Stay with me until the end. Please.” Tidus: “Not until the end…Always.”

Yuna: “Always, then.”

She can’t, but they promise to always be together.

Yuna: “Everyone…everyone has lost something precious. Everyone here has lost homes, dreams, and friends. Everybody… Now, Sin is finally dead. Now, Spira is ours again. Working together… Now we can make new homes for ourselves, and new dreams. Although I know the journey will be hard, we have lots of time. Together, we will rebuild Spira. The road is ahead of us, so let’s start out today. Just, one more thing…The people and the friends that we have lost, or the dreams that have faded…Never forget them.”

Yuna was planning on sacrificing herself to bring peace to Spira. She kept it a secret from Tidus so he would not be sad. His cheerfulness made her journey happy. She lives, but Tidus fades away in the end. He kept the fact that he was a dream a secret so Yuna would not hesitate defeating Sin. She never wanted to forget him.

Axel: “As long as we remember each other, we’ll never be apart. Got it memorized?”

She was always very guarded about sharing those memories with anyone else. Axel always gave off the exact same sense of secretive sentimentality that Yuna did when it came to his memories. He had the sense of a person who was heartbroken over a lost love. The day Axel said his memories of the past were what he valued most, it’s titled “Too Precious to Lose” in Roxas’ Diary. Yuna would whistle into the air sometimes. Tidus taught her how. It was like Axel eating ice cream all the time. It just helped him feel connected to his memories.

Lea: “I want everybody I meet to remember me. Inside people’s memories, I can live forever.”

Isa: “I know I won’t forget you. Believe me, I try all the time.”

Lea: “See, I’m immortal!”

Sunset and waning crescent moon are used as symbols of death, tragedy and parting in both games. The final stage of a cycle. The ending. I would argue lost love as well. Isa basically died and Axel is left with nothing but the memories of him as he looks into the sunset. The Moon Rabbit is a symbol of self-sacrifice, just like Yuna. Moon characters in general tend to be very empathetic and willing to sacrifice themself. Tidus couldn’t accept Yuna sacrificing herself. Same as Axel. Sun characters are bright and cheerful and inspire hope and optimism.

The letter χ can be pronounced both “key” and “kye” (leading to some confusion) and symbolizes the perfect crossing of light and darkness. The χ-blade can be forged via a high-dimensional clash between those two poles. It is believed that the Recusant’s Sigil also derives from χ. —KH3D Glossary

Gilding the lily is basically trying to improve what is already perfect. Basically you think I’m imagining signs of a romance when it’s a perfectly good friendship, right? I’m just seeing what I want to see. I guess that’s one big disagreement I have with you right there. I don’t think their relationship, even platonically, was handled well. At all. Isa and Lea’s platonic friendship turned out to be pretty pointless in canon, if you ask me. Didn’t amount to much of any substance or value. That’s not what I wanted to see.

Xehanort: Behold… These lifeless keys used to be full of power–united with the hearts of their masters. On this barren soil, Keyblades of light and darkness were locked in combat…as a great Keyblade War raged. Countless Keyblade wielders gave up their lives, all in search of one, ultimate key. And it will soon belong to me…

TAV’s main theme was their unbreakable connection. No matter what, they always found their way back to each other. That’s the power of the heart. What was Lea/Isa’s main theme in canon? Anything involving the Recusant’s Sigil? Nope. Anything involving the power of the heart? Y’know, what Kingdom Hearts is all about? Nope. Just sequel-baiting. I guess Isa was also a plot device for fan pandering, too. I don’t view anything in the story with a shipping bias. I think Lea/Isa was written like total shit in canon. Doesn’t matter how much I like the ship. I’m not going to lie to myself and say it was well-written. I know how to separate my wishes from my observations.

Terra: Yep, hard to believe there are so many worlds out there besides our own. The light is their hearts, and it’s shining down on us like a million lanterns.

And I am just observing what is there. I think that everything you said sounds more true of all the Axel/Roxas arguments I’ve seen than Lea/Isa ones. People seeing things beyond a platonic friendship when there is absolutely no textual basis in the story to support that interpretation. It all comes down to artistic intent. You analyze the story the same way you would during English class. Critical reading. Why are events being presented in such a manner? What message is the author conveying?

Xemnas: There hangs the heart of all hearts–Kingdom Hearts–shining down on us at last. See the countless hearts that have gathered? Hearts full of rage…hate…sadness…and bliss. There, in the sky, hangs the promise of a new world.

There is a TON of evidence supporting the existence of artistic intent for a very specific idea. Xehanort is trying to forge the X-blade by initiating a clash of opposite polarities. An idea inspired by Freemasonry, hence the black and white checkerboard theme associated with him. Scala ad Caelum is Latin for “Stairway to Heaven”, a big idea in Masonry. And Masonry uses the two luminaries, the Sun and Moon, to represent Light and Darkness. The letter “X” is all about opposite polarities, as well as death and endings. Saïx sports a big fat “X” on his face as his defining characteristic (which is never explained). Lea and Isa are described as complementary opposites in the novel.

Naminé: We don’t disappear… We’re only reborn.

Axel: I’m not like you and Roxas. It’s because I don’t have a heart. I don’t want to disappear, but I’m not upset or sad about it.

There are seven Guardians of Light. There are seven colors of the rainbow. Light is made up of seven different colors. Lea’s Keyblade is based on the Phoenix, a solar bird. It represents the red Rubedo stage of alchemy. It’s called the “Flame Liberator”. In alchemy, the Phoenix symbolizes “the freeing of the spirit from the bounds of the physical”. It’s about spiritual enlightenment and eternal life. They made a point in Days of showing that cutscene about the red sunset right from the get go. It was important.

Axel: Hey, Roxas. Bet you don’t know why the sun sets red. You see, light is made up of lots of colors. And out of all those colors, red is the one that travels the farthest.

The Sun sets red because red light travels the farthest. In Luxord’s tarot deck, “The Sun” is Hazard Gear.The Sun card represents a feeling of optimism and fulfillment, and the dawn which follows the darkest of nights. Saïx’s weapon in this category is called “Light Year”, and is shaped like a Reiki angel. Reiki is a method of energy healing using one’s aura—their inner light. The weapon has a pale yellow aura. The color of renewed hope and emerging spiritual awareness. Axel’s weapon in this category is a red weapon called “Omega Trinity”, and it is shaped like a transmutation circle. The name is referring to the Tria Prima of alchemy. Sulfur (Sol), Mercury (Luna), and Salt (the Philosopher’s Stone).

“The Moon” is Dual Gear. Dual means involving two parts. The Moon represents your fears and illusions. Axel’s weapon in this gear is “Dive Bomb”, as in Dive into the Heart. And Saïx’s is “Luminary”. It’s also shaped like Reiki, and is gold. The ultimate aura color of enlightenment. Both “The Sun” and “The Moon” are shaped like the 4 of Pentacles. This card indicates that you are trying very hard to cling onto people or possessions out of fear of losing them. “The Sun” is pink, which is associated with love and forgiveness in Tarot.

Saïx: Pitiful Heartless, mindlessly collecting hearts. The rage of the Keyblade releases those hearts. They gather in darkness, masterless and free…until they weave together to make Kingdom Hearts. And when that time comes, we can truly, finally exist.

Isa is a Moon character, and pretty much all of his weapons are feminine terms. He has a weapon called “Queen of the Night”. In Japan it is known as “Gekka Bijin”, meaning “Beauty under the Moon”. This white flower only blooms one night a year, usually under a full moon. This weapon is listed under Glory Gear. In Luxord’s deck, this is “Strength”. This card is about inner strength and the human spirit’s ability to overcome any obstacle. It represents the ability to ‘tame’ your animal instincts, gut reactions, and raw emotions, and channel them accordingly. The symbol on the card it the Two of Cups. It represents a partnership that is built on the union of forces, a strong connection and a balanced and equal partnership. Each party’s emotions are intertwined with the other’s, and each participant’s feelings have profound effects on the other. It symbolizes the joy of two becoming one.

“See anything interesting out there, Poppet?” Xigbar patted her on the shoulder.

Meanwhile, Axel plopped down on the sofa and pretended he wasn’t listening in. Xion turned to look up at Xigbar. “Just Kingdom Hearts.”

“Is it all that interesting?”

“It’s kind of pretty.”

Xigbar let out a low chuckle. Axel didn’t see what Xigbar found so entertaining about that reply. But then he could never quite follow what he was thinking.

Xion looked rather confused herself. “What’s so funny?”

“Oh, nothing—you’re just making so much progress.” Xigbar kept laughing, as if there was an uproariously good joke in it somewhere.

He has another weapon with the same shape called “King of the Night”. In alchemy, the Sun is the Red King, the Moon is the White Queen. This is Raging Gear. In Luxord’s deck, this is “The Devil”. The Devil card represents your shadow side and the negative forces that constrain you and hold you back. The Devil card appears in a reading when you have been tricked into thinking you have no control over your shadow self or these negative forces, and that you can never break free from their hold. It is shaped like the 10 of Pentacles, which is an omen for success, no matter what your current lot in life is. Axel’s weapon is the yellow stage of the Phoenix wings. Citrinitas represents “the transmutation of silver into gold,” “the yellowing of the lunar consciousness”, and “the dawning of the solar consciousness inherent in one’s being”.

In alchemy, the Red King and White Queen are associated with the Emperor and Empress arcanas. The Empress represents the feminine principle and is Valiant Gear. Axel’s weapon is purple and called Double Edge. It is shaped like the Third Eye chakra, which is on the forehead, and controls the ability to “see” things with the mind’s eye. It’s where Saïx’s “X” scar is located. Saïx’s weapon is “Moonset”, which is when the sun rises and the moon disappears in the sky. It’s pink and shaped like the symbol of Vesta, a goddess of chastity known as the “Keeper of the Sacred Flame”.

The Emperor represents the masculine principle and is Ultimate Gear. Axel’s weapon is called “Rapid Spinner” which refers to the chakras and is shaped like the Crown Chakra. The highest one that connects a person to higher consciousness. Saïx’s weapon is called Horoscope and is shaped like Venus/Sagittarius (a fire sign). It is pink, an aura associated with love, affection, compassion, healing, and a new or newly revived romantic relationship.

Star and Crescent—the symbol on Isa’s jacket in the epilogue—is a Sun and Moon symbol meaning a union of complementary opposites, and romantic love. Alchemy is all about a union of complementary opposites. The Sun and Moon’s marriage and sexual union is a symbol of the Philosopher’s Stone, along with the Phoenix, gold, and the color red. It’s all there in the story. I certainly didn’t put it there. The writers did. Some people might just say that Sun and Moon imagery is not necessarily romantic. 99% of the time it is, though. But if ALL that wasn’t enough, there’s the way Axel was paralleled with the Beast.

Beast: The last rose petal is about to fall… When it does, I’ll lose– No! I can’t bear it–I don’t even want to think about it!

Axel: I guess the closest thing we Nobodies have got is our past. You know, memories of the stuff we couldn’t bear to lose, back when we couldn’t bear to lose it.

The Beast’s rose is like Axel’s memories. The rose represents the Beast’s last hope to return to his past. And it also represents his desire to love and be loved by another in return.

Beast: Belle… I couldn’t bear to see you…or the other’s hurt. A master protects his castle… I don’t want to lose you.

Roxas: That still doesn’t explain what love is… Is love fighting to protect what’s most important to you? Where does its power come from?

Love is fighting to protect what’s most important to you.

Roxas: I found out about love on today’s mission–that it’s something powerful.

Axel: That’s true. It is. But I’ll never get to experience it.

Axel’s memories are what he considers most important to him. “Because that’s all we have to remember the pain of losing something.” The Beast is tired of strength. He wants to experience love, but thinks he never will. Axel doesn’t care about Xemnas’ promise of power. He wants to complete Kingdom Hearts to experience love, but thinks he never will. Wink wink, nudge nudge. I’m sorry, but you don’t just write things this way by accident. It’s all intentional.

Axel: Love is what happens if there’s something really special between two people.

Roxas: More special than friends? Like…if they’re best friends? Inseparable?

Axel: Well, you can care about your friends, I guess, but that’s not what I’m talking about.

I’m not imagining any of it.

Roxas wouldn’t let it go. “Do you think we would, if we had hearts?”

“Once Kingdom Hearts is complete, I bet you’ll be able to figure it out.”

The magic words again, Axel thought. It’ll all make sense when Kingdom Hearts is complete. But was that true? No one had ever seen it happen before. So who knew?

Still, all they could do was believe in it. Pitiful Heartless, mindlessly collecting hearts…

It all supports the idea of Lea and Isa originally being viewed as a romantic pairing by the writers. I don’t get what you mean by me giving my theories as real. I’m not claiming to be a Square-Enix insider or anything. I post my opinions and I assume that the people reading are smart enough to decide for themselves whether they find them persuasive or not. I don’t have to force anyone to think anything. If the evidence is strong enough people will be able to see it themself.

#kh isalea #kh leaisa #kh meta #kh theories #kh isa #kh lea #kh axel #kh saix

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card-gays · 7 years

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Theory Time!

Re: The Millennium Cube, Shadi, and Ancient Texts w/ Possible Double Meanings

(tagging @death-complex, and @accidemia as requested~)

DSOD spoilers, and awesome but also definitively theory-only thoughts, below.

Warning, it. got. long.

Before we start in on the speculation. Let’s establish some stuff!

So the title of “the eighth millennium item” is probably a dub exclusive, it may not be, but it likely is. So while I will say that, if it’s referred to as a millennium item in the original Japanese, it’s lack of a place within the statue for the other items supports this; if it is a dub exclusive, it’s specific parameters still keep the theory level. Possibly more so, honestly. But idk, I am admittedly quite partial to it. But until we get a proper sub, or someone who’s seen it in Japanese or at least Korean (as they have the most similar dubs) chime sin, we won’t know.

What we do know is that, unlike the other magical egyptian artifacts, which were meant to serve all pharaohs, this one was tied to one pharaoh. The pharaoh; Atem. This is a distinct and important difference, because Shaadi was telling the Plana kids about it well before the puzzle was completed, but obviously it wasn’t mentioned or even seen during the Memory World Arc.

So WHERE DID THE CUBE COME FROM? Why tie it to the rebirth of “the pharaoh” at all? Exactly why should the cube become defunct if Atem returned to the earth?

For the speculative and incredibly fun part of this, LETS GO BACK IN TIME! to 3000 years ago.....

Okay so, after Atem died, someone else had to take up the overall control of the items and the magic inside them, right? Right. Because while each priest(ess) controls one, there’s one sovereign ruler of all seven, and that leader is always the current pharaoh.

And who exactly was the pharaoh, after Atem?

Right.

But CG, you say, you’re the one who said the cube probably isn’t called an item in the original script. And you’re ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, but I’d like to point out aesthetic, proximity, and relation.

[EDIT: As of the release of the official subs, we have confirmation that the cube is, in fact, considered the eighth Millennium Item. But other than this note, this post will be left in its original state]

The first, aesthetic, is pretty straightforward. The Quantum Cube has one unmistakable physical aspect that’s clearly meant to tie it to the items. The eye.

The eye is a recurring symbol, but because it’s a version of the Wedjat, obviously it’s always tied to the magic of ancient Egypt. It’s on the puzzle and the rest of the items, it appears on Atem’s forehead, it’s all over the place. But always representing ancient Egyptian magic. Therefore, right off the bat, we know this came from the same magic. While the rest of my theory is definitely theory-heavy, this is the one thing where I’d say (despite it not necessarily being explicitly stated), we can say is true. Because the Wedjat wouldn’t be on anything from anywhere else, especially if they used the same version of it.

Second is proximity. Proximity is equally obvious as aesthetic, as we see the Cube was not only kept within the same place as the statue where the items come from, but its first guardian that we see is also the guardian of a Millennium Item. These two duties were clearly mutually important, because of all the places to be Shaadi never left the place with that stone.

Third, relation, may be less concrete due to a lack of verbal or visual explanation, but it’s equally supported. We know it’s tied specifically to Atem, because it’s supposed to lose its power should he ever return. Not, mind you, in the form of the spirit of the puzzle, that didn’t do it, but as something... else. Something that seemed to equal the way he appeared at the end of the film. But still, specifically, him. This is what my theory stemmed from, with the other supportive information falling into place after that. Why Atem, of all people? To me at least it heavily suggests that whoever made this must have been tied deeply to Atem. They thought of him as part of it. And here’s where we spin out in the Speculation: The Big Leagues.

To me, all signs so far point toward the person behind the Cube being Priest-turned-Pharaoh Seto. It had to be someone who knew of Atem from his own time, because Atem was all but lost to history afterwards, and Ancient Egypt!Seto was shown as one of the people most devoted to Atem. He was the one left to monitor all of the items, all of the magic. And likely would have been the one to establish the base guidelines for future guardians of the items. It, to me at least, could only have been him.

But why?

We come now to the ‘Ancient Texts w/ Possible Double Meanings’ portion.

“to the place far away where souls meet- guide me”

We all know the Pert Kertu. We all know Isis (Ishtar) attributes it to Atem’s deck in Battle City after the Fiend’s Sanctuary pull, and honestly? I don’t think that’s wrong. Obviously. It was the intention at the time, after all. However, as many people have pointed out, the ending of DSOD also fulfills the end of the poem. More succinctly, even, with more obvious and clear cut success, when Kaiba’s relationship to Atem is at its closest to what (Priest) Seto’s was with him.

I think Priest Seto made the cube with the intention of transcending dimensions in an attempt to reach Atem while he was within the puzzle, and when that didn’t work he left it as a tool to himself for when the time came that Atem was finally freed to Aaru, so that if he wasn’t still in that dimension, he could go the way he (now living as Seto Kaiba) does in DSOD. I know that sounds like a leap, but think about it. Why shouldn’t it work just because Atem is returned to the world? Because the most obvious way for that to happen would be if he was reborn, and if he was reborn then Seto wouldn’t need the cube.

As for how he could possibly feasibly plan for this... remember that Isis Ishtar, through the power of the Millennium Necklace, could see as far back as Atem’s time in Ancient Egypt. Why, then, should we assume that in her past life as a trained and powerful sorceress, she wouldn’t be able to see as far forward? The details could be off, or unclear, like her current self’s visions of the past, but she’d still see it.

And who fights hardest to get Kaiba to accept that connection to Atem? To get him to open up to and acknowledge his bond to him, past and present, to such a degree that when Atem leaves he is hit as hard as he is to attempt to get him back? To go and find him when he can’t? Isis.

Obviously, the standout contrary piece to this would be... Then what about the Plana? What about making a new world? And see... I don’t think that that was actually ever the intention of the cube? Like how the fandom has long speculated that the abuse and violence of the Ishtar clan’s rituals stemmed from a twisting of the original teachings into something oppressive and dark, on the opposite end I believe the Cube was co-opted from its original purpose into a tool for a new world, and at least from Whomever’s perspective of helping hurt children create a home where they could be safe and happy, it was decidedly more positively intended than what happened with the Ishtar rituals.

I concede that I have nothing but speculation behind that one, but no matter where I come at it from, it makes sense. And honestly, far more sense than the idea that the Cube was always meant to do what Shadi proposes.

See, this is something that was tied to Atem, but he would never even have been able to use it. One could say that if the Cube was always meant to create a new and beautiful world, and if the Cube was designed to be tied specifically to Atem for any reason, it would make The Most sense that it would be that he should have the duty of leader of the Plana. He’s selfless, he’s kind, he is a great leader, and if anyone would deserve an idyllic life in a Utopia, it would be him. And yet just by virtue of being reborn, the power would be lost.

What sense would it make to create a cube for such a purpose, if the most qualified person to carry out that will is the one who shuts it down?

And the clincher for me is... Kaiba.

In TRANSCEND: GAME, we watch Kaiba try to perfect a system that, through the use interlinking multiple consciousnesses, would give him the possibility of creating a doorway into another dimension. Both the how and the why are exactly the same as the Cube, the Cube that at the time he knows nothing about. But we know that Kaiba has bits of the past that prick at him, see it as recently as making his summoning system within that VR project nearly identical to the one used in Ancient Egypt, despite him not ever seeing it firsthand within that canon. And here he was, so close to recreating the system of what we know as the “Plana” from nothing, from the air.

Or, as I’ve argued, from a memory.

#thoughts and theories #and also #meta #shadi #seto kaiba #priest seto #isis ishtar #priestess isis #atem #quantum cube #dsod #dsod spoilers #dark side of dimensions #dark side of dimensions spoilers #I imagine these tags are automatic eyebrow raisers but I promise I've thought it through #atem (all)

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megashadowdragon · 7 years

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oscar pine will join team jnpr and be the new p his inspiration is tip/ozma

Given that Oscar's last name is Pine (and that last names are used to make team names, like Sky Lark of CRDL and May Zedong of BRNZ and lie ren ( ren was his last name his fathers name was li ren (in that spelling) ) ( plus it fits for him to join team jnpr (juniper) since Both Pines and Junipers are evergreen trees ) and that he's got Ozpin's cane, I think he will be Pyrrha's replacement especially since ozpins aura is merging/merged with oscar ( he's a reincarnation who goes from person to person by merging with their Aura ) which led him to go on his journey and pyrrhas arc/crisis in v3 had been about possibly going through the procedure to forcibly merge ambers aura with pyrrhas and losing her identity and oscar is going through that process ( though the process is natural very different from the mechanical transfer done to Amber and Pyrrha, ozpin had reason to believe it would be similar to his own experience ) with ozpin and we get to see what would have possibly happened to pyrrha

( in ozpins original body he was named ozma (so rwbys ozpin/ozma is a reference to both princess ozma and the wizard of oz) ozma is based on princess ozma and oscar pine represents tip who was princess ozma turned into a boy where she lived most of her life on the farm and oscar lived on a farm for most of his life

Ozma was first introduced in the original book series as a boy named Tip who got an involuntary sex-change by the Wicked Witch of the North

http://oz . wikia . com/wiki/Tip who lived with the old witch Mombi on a farm in the Gillikin Country of the magical Land of Oz. and oscar pine lived on a farm with his aunt

Princess Ozma and Tip are basically the same person.

http://oz . wikia . com/wiki/Princess_Ozma

princess Ozma and rwbys ozma both carried around a scepter. . ( I believe that ozma and oscar are both wizard of oz and princess ozma and tip

and oscar inherited ozpins cane (so basically oscar pine is a reference to tip and oscar has the same voice actor as ozma and has a strong resemblance to ozma (ozpins original body)

It fits with JNPR's theme of being heroes who have crossdressed in their stories ( including actually pretending to be of the opposite gender with an exception being joan of arc jaunes inspiration who people knew was a woman ) and being the opposite gender of the heroes who they were based ( the gender they dressed up as ) on

(basically being genderflips of characters who have crossdressed

jaune = joan of arc

pyrrha nikos = achilles ( a man disguised as a red haired woman named pyrrha) nora = thor ( who disguised himself as freya)

lie ren = mulan ( disguised as a male soldier

so oscars inspiration being ozma would fit that since ozma was turned into a male by the wicked witch of the north

and ozma being forced into a body that wasn't hers which is referenced with ozmas reincarnation curse

and ozma/ozpins reincarnation curse is also a reference to how In the original The Wizard of Oz book, the Wizard appeared to Dorothy and her friends in several different forms all claiming to be the same person.

and more references that ozpin has to the wizard of oz is

The initials of the Wizard's name, Oscar Zoroaster Phadrig Isaac Norman Henkel Emmannuel Ambroise Diggs, spell OZPINHEAD, which may be the origin of Ozpin's name, as well as his position as headmaster of Beacon Academy.

The Wizard lived in Emerald City, and Ozpin's green motif likely comes from this.

In "Known by its Song", Raven Branwen states that "Old Man Oz has a great and terrible secret". This alluded to the Wizard's title, "Oz, The Great and Terrible."

Oscar's first name suggests that he is also inspired by the Wizard of Oz, like Ozpin is (that he has the same first name certainly lends to this). in the books oscar Diggs supplanted the true ruler of Oz, Princess Ozma, in order to take over. and with Ozpin's backstory reveal, of each incarnation gaining the spirit of Ozma before Ozma eventually takes over. In this case, the roles are played with. Ozma will always reincarnate into a new host, in a sense, taking over their body, while Oscar, the latest incarnation is at risk of this happening, but desperately doesn't want it to happen. The usurper however isn't happy about it though, and tries to work with owner of the body rather than just take over, much like how Oscar Diggs eventually returned to Oz and became a trusted ally to Ozma. Only difference is, the roles are reversed.

so ozma/ozpin alludes to both princess ozma and the wizard of oz, and so does oscar who was a farm boy which connects to ozma starting off as a farm boy named tip ( and you could say that oscar specifically references tip ) and his first name being the same as the wizard of oz

so oscar alludes to both wizard of oz and ozma

and there is a theory by @littlemisssquiggles that oscar is ozmas true incarnation

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The popular notion with RWBY Theorists is that Oscar is based off of Princess Ozma/ Tip. This is why I love the concept of Oscar being revealed as the original Ozma—His true reincarnation as the revival of his original form resurrected in Modern Remnant.

Just as how Tip was later revealed to be Princess Ozma—the rightful ruler of Oz, I believe that Oscar is Ozma’s true incarnate. Unlike the previous Wizards of Light who were the lives of other men that only Ozma’s soul was only paired too, Oscar is Ozma himself. The adolescent version of his previous form reborn in current time.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. The war with Salem started with Ozma and I believe it would be fitting for it to end with him. Ozma was the beginning and Oscar is the end.

I really like this because it paints a pretty fitting twist. I quite dig the irony of Oscar worrying about losing himself to the Merge when the reality is that he isn’t destined to lose himself but be made complete. The Wizard persona is neither Professor Ozpin nor Ozma. Ozpin described himself as a culmination of his old self and the many men who sacrificed their lives for the greater good of humanity.

By my hunches, Oscar is just like Eriol Hiiragaizawa from Sakura Cardcaptors. In Sakura Cardcaptors, Eriol was one half of Clow Reed—the most powerful sorcerer in the world and creator of the Clow Cards. The other half of Clow Reed was Fujitaka Kinamoto —the father of our protagonist: Sakura Kinamoto. Unlike Fujitaka, Eriol retained all the magical power and memories of Clow Reed.

What if…Oscar Pine is just Fujitaka Kinamoto in this sense? What if…Ozma’s reincarnation was divided in two: body and soul? While Ozma’s soul was reincarnated and paired with the souls of many other men over the years, he never regained his original body. At least, not until his original form was revived in current Remnant as a 14 year old farm boy from Mistral named Oscar Pine?

While Ozma’s soul, similar to Eriol, retained his memories and magical power; Oscar—the adolescent embodiment of Ozma’s original form did not. At least, not until Professor Ozpin—the current Wizard person became paired to Oscar.

people might say that Oscar is a reference to Dorothy because of the aunt but Dorothy was never ozs successor and Dorothy was already referenced in ruby rose

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there are three more main protagonists missing! Dorothy, Toto, and the Cowardly Lion. The identities to the first two are easy. Just look for the girl with ruby red slipp-

-boots. We’ve even got our trusty canine companion!”

though in the in the wizard of oz books the slippers dorothy had werent ruby slippers but silver slippers so ruby rose has references to the slippers from both the book and movies with her name and her eye color/ the silver eyed warrior powers which possessed great power and when ruby revealed them the bad guys became interested in her so and ozma and dorothy were best friends so it would fit for oscar/ozma to be close to ruby which is what I and @littlemisssquiggles predict what will happen in the future

and so it would fit with the theme they all have had unlike penny whose inspiration pinocchio never crossdressed

, achilles, thor, joan of arc, mulan all crossdressed

but pyrrha, nora and rens inspirations are the only ones who had lied and claim they were of the opposite sex (achilles and thor pretended to be women while mulan pretended to be a man) while joan of arc crossdressed people knew she was a woman so ozma will be the only one who crossdressed unwillingly by being turned into a member of the opposite sex

edit ( I had made several edits my original version had oscar as ozma with his aura merging with the character who alludes to ozpin but given how the first incarnations name was ozma I think maybe they both reference ozma

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and the ozma and pyrrha parallels adds to my belief that oscar will join team jnpr as the new p

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I just cannot believe

for years now I’ve been saying Arkos was classic heroic romance tropes with Pyrrha in the classical male role and Jaune in the classical female role

and this is actually true in-universe, because Pyrrha parallels Oz and Jaune parallels Salem.

Arkos is paralleling Ozpin and Salem but better and not screwing up the way they did, with Pyrrha as Ozpin and Jaune as Salem

(the multiple scenes where ozma disintegrating in the exact same fashion that pyrrha nikos had disintegrated in at the end of v3

There’s also the part where Jaune was unable to save Pyrrha and had to struggle with a death wish (seriously jaune was borderline suicidal and some may say that was until his fight with cinder but I think its still there )

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Ozma’s Pyrrha parallels are making Jaune’s current suicidal tendencies even more painful tbh

WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT OZ AND SALEM WERE ACTUALLY GENDER-FLIPPED ARKOS “

I mean seriously Ozma is destroyed by the God of Light and darkness in the same manner that Cinder destroyed Pyrrhas body

and I forgot to add about how salem was suicidal

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Righteousness n. the quality of being morally right or justifiable.

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So.

Ozpin interrupting the Light God to say “I’ll do it” before he fully understood what was being asked of him.

And the Light god just taking it as assent without explaining further.

Wow I guess we know now why he looked so stricken when Pyrrha did the exact same thing before he’d finished explaining.”

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And then Ozpin said, “No, please, let me explain what this could do to you.”

and even gave her time to think

.” basically he saw the parallels between himself and pyrrha how they said yes before they fully understood what was being asked of them and told her to think it over and explained what it could do to her and the way he described it sounded just the way he described what was happening to oscar and him .

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“ wanted to delve deeper into the idea that jaune and pyrrha are also mirrors of ozpin and salem. but here, jaune is the reflection of salem, while pyrrha is the reflection of ozpin. pyrrha was the righteous, moral, talented soldier while jaune is the grieving person that was saved, and sought vengeance for their lost love. pyrrha also stuck to a moral code, like ozpin did, while jaune and salem both used alternative, immoral methods to reach their goals. there’s also the fact that salem’s emblem looked like jaune’s AND jaune’s semblance has the same visual look of the magic that made salem immortal “

edit : plus it would be neat because it would require jaune to go development where he loses the resentment at ozma and realizes it wasnt ozmas fault that pyrrha chose to go fight cinder that she chose to be the fall maiden and that ozma gave her the choice to say no he explained what it could do to her and gave her time to think it over ( people bring up ozpin not telling her about salem etc but he really couldnt he couldn’t give her the entire story without basically forcing her into the fold. He told her as much as he could for her to make a decision without giving her so much they couldn’t take no for an answer. He urged her to think it through and not make a choice too quickly. and let her know what it could do to her rather than taking her I´ll do it as assent which the god of light did without explaining further and even at the fall he hesitated and asked her again if she was sure and when she nodded he said he needed her to say it

a long ask I sent to kiwi about my thoughts on what I hope happens in the future with jaune and ozma:

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plus it would be fitting for jaune to end up befriending both ozma and oscar. and it would be fitting for oscar/ozma to be jaunes new partner for jaunes inspiration is a saint and ozmas goal is to unite humanity to survive judgment day to have them find absolution. which is somethings that the catholic ( among other religions) believe will happen someday (judgement day ) and absolution is a part of catholicism the belief that people can be forgiven for their sins which is what god wants and god in catholicism end up wiping almost all of humanity out because of their sins https://en . wikipedia . org/wiki/Absolution

the parallels between ozma and pyrrha add to my belief that jaune and ozma will reconcile and become close to each other

plus joan of arc was a saint noted for hearing messages from dead saints and god where at first she was put on tasks until she was put on a “divine mission from god “ ( vision of god ) and ozma literally received his mission of uniting humanity from god and his reincaarnation process starts when he appears as a voice in someones head

etc @it-is-i-rv

@the-kiwi-is-not-a-pewee

@fandomsallaroundme

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