#i need to get back to my timeline spreadsheet bc while the announcement that s15 happened in march 2019

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so like. watching 11x23 after having watched the rest of the show and taking time to chew on what the fuck dabbnatural is all about is so interesting bc there's a certain framing of chuck dying in 11x23 that... i'm not sure if it was intentional by dabb or just the way the editing shook out (either option is insane) but at first chuck seems to imply that his death and the death of the world isn't the result of imbalance, but it's that amara killed him and is now destroying the world. but then we learn from amara that no, the sun is dying bc she hurt chuck to the point where he is dying and that without creation there is only the nothingness that is her nature. the sun dying is the result of her actions but it's not a direct choice, just a consequence that she didn't really foresee. she has come to love chuck's creations, why would she choose to destroy that?

and it just fascinates me. bc watching 14x20 immediately after it's kinda like... was this intentional? there's a certain element of 11x23 that feels like as much as chuck says he doesn't want to hurt amara, he doesn't necessarily feel regret about what he's done, only how it turned out.

which again, could just be that the takes used in editing biased towards a less remorseful vibe from chuck. we don't know if there were other takes where rob played chuck as more remorseful but that's what we end up with. dean asking if chuck wants amara dead and him saying that even after all this, no. but still lying by omission that the sun dying is something amara is choosing to do.

like idk there's just a certain framing of that reveal and the fact that it initially comes from amara that is like. yes, chuck is dying but he's putting on his best meow meow act. if he's gonna die it may as well be as he's comforted by the characters from his favorite show. he may as well snuggle in close and send dean out to one more act of violence; to kill his sister. but this time he doesn't hold the trump card, he can't force dean to act out the violence that he wants from him. he chooses the reprieve he's been given and when amara get sick of his shit, he goes right back to playing with his favorite characters.

after all, they gave him such a good show last time.

and then i just have to wonder... would chuck have died if amara was destroyed by the soul bomb? if chuck dies, then amara lives (presumably bc she's uninjured) but if amara dies... even if he's injured, does chuck die? we only have his word that he would and in light of 14x20 and everything in s15 we have to recontextualize everything chuck has ever said in light of one thing --

writers lie.

#i'm now convinced that 14x20 was written with the expectation that they were gonna get fucked on s15 in some capacity #i need to get back to my timeline spreadsheet bc while the announcement that s15 happened in march 2019 #they would probably have known months before if the cw was gonna try to tee up something new with some of the spn actors (eg walker) #it think it was something that was a decision that was made partly among ppl working on the show and not network edict iirc? #so like. i *do* think that the decision on s15 being the ending would explain the shift in s14 and very sudden reappearance of chuck #what if we gave writers *all* the credit? what if y'all stopped acting like they were monkeys with typewriters occasionally nailing it? #you wouldn't continue to obsess over spn if it were universally bad and poorly written. it certainly has its bad moments but tbh? #to me at least the worst moments aren't necessarily the writing per se but where the show is at its most racist and sexist #i can forgive the occasional 'wait what?' about the plot or some moments where characters are ooc but the episodes that stick out #like sore thumbs to me as being bad and poorly written are the ones like man's best friend with benefits or the bad place #so what if we started giving writers credit for being competent storytellers and started criticizing the bullshit they wrote that #was actually harmful. criticize there will be blood and not carry on. acknowledge the bad place along with despair. #hennyways that's just my two cents. most of the writers were at least competent and many of them had at least one moment of brilliance #let's give them some credit #spn #feathersforcas