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thatonesongyouretryingtoremember · 1 year

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Stranger Things Spiderman AU

There's pictures at the end

I got some ideas from the byler-centric one, but I kinda went hyperfocus mode on El and didn't sleep, so here it is.

I've decided that the kids are 16 when the story takes place, more or less arbitrarily.

Brenner was doing spider-related experiments. As I built out the story more, he's kind of in the place of Norman Osborne I think. Tbh I wasn't too worried about him being in character. He's at this point gotten several human subjects- the lab kids.

Brenner kind of raised El to think she was dangerous to the other kids for (insert whatever the fuck the canon reasoning was which is still beyond me) this is where she starts playing drums (bc I made her as Ghost Spider and Gen Stacey plays drums) Brenner days is so that she can "release all her psychic energy so she doesn't blow the building up" but really there's guards trained to check in if they hear the noise stop in case she escapes.

When Will and MJ/Mike are on a field trip, they find El and help her escape disguised as a student, while another spider lands on Will's jacket unbeknownst to them.

El and the other lab kids always wore plain black and white suits and sweaters, but after El sees Will painting, she gets inspired to customize hers with blue and red or pink (I haven't decided) webs.

El immediately stays with the Byers bc they're isn't the whole yk Will missing thing. I have a convo halfway planned where they decide her cover name is Elenor. Fight me.

El's telekinesis allows her to remain unseen when she starts out so she gets called "The Ghost Hero" until her spider emblem gets spotted, earning the name "The Ghost Spider"

Mikhail is Harry Osborne. Fight me.

Since Mikhail is here, I thought I'd include Enzo and somehow relate him to Oscorp. Most of them are scientists, but then I remembered a Spiderman villain called Rhino who isn't one and who could tie into the whole Spider-Super Soldiers plot.

Will and Mike childhood best friends -> dating, obviously.

I looked up Gwen Stacey (Spider Gwen/ Ghost Spider)'s band name- it's the Mary Janes. I decided to change it to the Mary Sues as a joke bc yk El has powers. Max is obv in the band as well but I haven't decided her instrument yet. I remember the MJs having just girls in the band, so maybe I can incorporate the Goth Girlfriend from Lenora High... or the Art Gfs tbh. I don't know yet whether Max should know about El's powers or anything or whether there's elmax, but I'm not really writing this writing this, so I can pick and choose what's canon by the day. Probably not since she's fresh out of the lab...

Click bc tumblr crops images.

So here's the story: Brenner has the kids in the lab, probably as part of some scheme to have spider super soldiers or something. They all wear plain white suits and plain black and white sweaters. They aren't very warm and don't have even pockets or drawstrings, they really just serve as identification. They also have on marks that are meant to protect them, but they're also intentionally impersonal and not very emotive to keep the kids from socializing. The original design is on the left, and next to it is two of my ideas for color schemes once El customizes it with the spider webs on the sweater sleeves and boots. Cyan with pink-y bright red webs or dark blue with baby pink webs. I also chose to add a heart to the face to make it more "her" and cute bc canon El has homemade hearts in her room, but I'm not sure about the placement. The back of the sweater also has a spider emblem.

Fun fact between all the designs and thumbnails and my app crashing I drew 36 webs :) I'm still not good at them :) I have SO much respect for comic artists that regularly draw Spiderman's web design in action shots repeatedly by hand how tf are some of y'all still alive?

Color scheme thumbnails+progress shoot from when I was going to have cyan highlights on the dark blue boots

I also gave El a secret identity and some civilian clothes! I have a halfway planned conversation of how her identity gets established that I might post later if anyone (read: me) cares enough. I tried to keep some aspects of El's own canon fashion but a little different from Will and Jonathan. I kept her layers and patterns (El's style had my heart) and a stylized version of the sports jersey inspired shirt that she wears at the end of S4. I think adding bracelets and wearing embroidered clothes is something she would do just because it's *more*. Putting more of herself out in stark contrast to her bland uniform. The capri jeans have a heart patch, a flower patch, and a star patch on the keg we can see and decorative top-stitching on the hems. The high top converse have a smiley patch on one and a heart patch on the other and her shirt is embroidered with scattered daisies. Her long striped undershirt (totally stolen from Max) is slightly inspired by Gwen's fingerless gloves looking design in next year's Spiderverse movie. "Long range spider sense" is listed in her powers and just means the weird telepathy grey area that canon El has as opposed to Will's Peter Parker-esque Spider Sense. I also gave her super strength because I wanted to.

On second thought she probably wears running shoes but oh well.

#spider el #<- i think @spideywillandmjwheeler is using this tag?#ill also use #elenor byers #since that's not a tag that's being used otherwise probably...#stranger things spiderman au #song's spidey bullshit

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serendipitousrambles · 2 years

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I really hope they expand on mikes character in the last episodes of season 4 volume 2 and season 5. Same with will! I feel like all the other characters this last season had a lot of character building aside those 2. I also want to make a comment on Mike and will's friendship but you don't have to answer this ask if it draws too much attention. I know the Blyer fandom can get intense but I can't help but feel frustrated they are so adamant about shipping a clearly straight boy with a boy who hasn't stated his sexuality. I honestly hope will doesn't state his sexuality at all because then that's all his character will be because even without stating it that's all everyone is doing. I find it quite toxic tbh. Why can't a boy have a deep and emotional friendship with his best friends? What sort of message does that send that a boy being sensitive, truly loving his friends just means it's because he is gay? I feel like they are forcing stereotypes onto him. Noah even stated himself that it's up to interpretation and he believes will is just missing out on his childhood. You can tell in S4 he was lonely and had zero friends and I feel like THATS the angst. Mike is clearly his best friend and he felt left out yet again like S3. I don't care if he is gay or not but I feel like that would be lazy writing if that's all his character arc is when he was a pivotal character in S1 and S2. I noticed Noah was wearing a harness in behind the scene photos... so im hoping he gets more involved with this vecna stuff... I don't understand why two males can't just be best friends and love each other without it becoming romantic love. I just feel that sends such a bad message when we are trying to address toxic masculinity and tell men it's okay to be emotional, sensitive and to love your male friends! Also, why does someone have to date anyone? It's okay to not want to date and fall in love at all either! That's also an option, mostly as a TEENAGER!

Hi yes I really hope we get more of Mike in vol. 2 bc he felt very sidelined, especially since in all other seasons he's been such a prominent figure. I feel like this vol was focusing on Max and El more, so now that we've learned more about El's past and how vecna came to be, we might see more development in the other parts of the plot, and I think Will does play a huge part in all of this somehow bc he's the one it all started with (well, him and El)

As for Byler I agree to an extent. I think Will being gay has definitely been more blatent this season whereas before it's been skirted around (e.g Joyce calling him "sensitive", "not like the others" etc), but like with Robin I don't know if they'll explicitly say the word gay bc it's the 80s. I definitely do think though we might get something with Will talking to Mike bc they've alluded to all these emotional speeches happening, but he cares so much about Will and it's very clear so whatever happens we know he's 100% there for his friend.

I agree with what you're saying about how two boys can't show any emotions towards each other without it being bc they're gay. It does send the message that boys can't have those deep, emotional, caring feelings towards their other male friends which is bad. Two girls doing the exact same thing doesn't get the same treatment (I mean there are elmax shippers out there but it's no way as loud as the bylers).

Mike is just a very caring person for the people he loves, and he does love Will but it's clearly not the same way as he loves El. I liked seeing Mike and Will have those deep emotional conversations together like in s2 bc we never get to see boys share that kind of deep friendship but saying it's just bc they're gay means that boys aren't allowed to express their feelings, and it makes gay boys feel like they can't show friendship to their straight friends bc they don't want to make them think they're in love with them. It's messy.

Just to be clear, I'm not attacking byler shippers, at the end of the day this is a fictional show and it's not a harmful ship so people are free to their interpretations. But I personally don't like it bc it's just so rare to see a friendship like that portrayed between boys in the media without it being anything more.

Also ngl Will deserves someone better 😂 someone who actually likes him back instead of someone who clearly has eyes for one girl and one girl only.

#stranger things #st 4 spoilers #that was super long sorry and i ramble #but yeah #mike wheeler #will byers

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palmviolet · 5 years

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season 3: my thoughts

CONTAINS SPOILERS

so. we’ve got the good and we’ve got the bad. starting off with what i liked:

joyce. she was so powerful and strong this season. they didn’t diminish her trauma from bob or even s1, showing she has ptsd. they also allowed her to be the one who saved them all and i’m so proud of my tiny wife :’)

jancy. i loved jancy’s storyline. probably the only storyline i didn’t have any issues with. i loved how they discussed the different issues facing them - sexism and classism respectively - and managed to come to an understanding. it was good to have another explicit recognition of the class issue with the byers family as well, rather than just subtext. but like, them as an investigative duo, ‘you’re relentless, you know that?’ like GAHHH

robin. now this was something i really didn’t expect. i was very apprehensive about the scoops troop because of the four of them only one was an original main - but turns out i didn’t need to be. i actually really enjoyed these scenes and they didn’t pander to the meme too much. and robin’s coming out scene?? poetic cinema. i actually felt so understood and while it’s likely not very realistic (especially from steve, who has been homophobic in the past) steve’s immediate acceptance felt so warm and nice.

erica. at first i was worried because they were going with the sassy black girl stereotype, but then- THEN- they fleshed her out, they made her a ‘nerd’ too, and honestly it was really good. she could have been annoying but she managed not to be. (congrats to priah, she did a good job).

elmax. i did enjoy elmax this season, though only tentatively (see below). finally we got some good solid female bonding. the mall scene was great. i also loved the scene when el came down the street to meet her with the skateboard. iconic.

mike and will’s fight. ‘it’s not my fault you don’t like girls.’ phew i got whiplash from that line - will’s face- i really wish they’d actually had will coming out this season or having any plot at all but i actually got chills with this. and then will destroying the castle???? i was crying.

jopper, murray, and alexei. i really liked this storyline. hopper being a smug bastard, murray playing freud again, idk i loved it. im glad jopper didn’t get together directly after murray psychoanalysed them like jancy did tho, because it felt a bit more mature which was right :) and alexei was so cute lol

hopper-byers family (ish). i am so goddamn happy that el ends up with the byers. it’s the only sensible place for her to end up after hopper dies. i just wish it was foreshadowed a bit more with joyce having a more obvious role in her life as a co-parent.

now, onto the dislikes. yikes.

hopper’s character for 80% of the season. i’ve talked about this already but honestly?? they screwed him up so much. horrifically overbearing parenting, drunkenness, and snark that was less sarcastic and funny than cruel. i didn’t like him half the time which honestly sucks, especially since this season they should have been building him up to make his death more tragic. so-

hopper’s death. it was done well, with his final acceptance and everything, giving joyce permission to flip the switch, but holy shit. joyce has been through so. goddamn. much now. the duffers are actually making their own jobs harder, because you can’t keep on piling your characters with trauma upon trauma without them suffering the consequences. they will have to be very careful next season with their handling of joyce. especially since this season the grief for his death was mainly focused on el, when it was joyce who spent all season with him. they should have grieved together, as the two who loved him most, but instead even when joyce does get her moment el has to come and interrupt it and make it all about her again. which leads me onto-

female bonding. sure, we got elmax. but it was placed in direct opposition to mileven. idk i got a lot of vibes that el could either be friends with max or date mike, which was not a great message to send - the whole elmax friendship seemed to be based on ideas about the boys. (does it pass the bechdel test? barely, probably.) and then the only other female bonding we get (aside from erica and robin, which was minor) is nancy and karen. they share a lovely scene, but it’s completely out of the blue. karen has been so absent and problematic these last few seasons and now she’s suddenly mom of the year again? it was a good scene, but personally i actually think it would have worked better with nancy and joyce. they have so much in common, they’ve been through a lot of the same things, and yet all we get is a silent hug at the very end. hmm. or even better, we keep the nancy & karen scene and get lots more female bonding scenes too. but i guess that would be too difficult.

will. oh my god, will. why the hell did they do him so dirty? his entire arc was ‘can we play d&d now, oh girls are stupid and gross, oh my friends treated me like shit but it’s all cool now.’ he had so much potential, even if we didn’t go with the will has powers storyline, even if we didn’t go with the coming out storyline like- ugh. noah is such a talent and they’re squandering him. like.. what??

m*leven. ugh i’m sorry i just... don’t care about m*leven. they’re cute?? i guess?? but so much time was spent on them. and they’re literally 14, i really don’t think they’re old enough to say they’re in love.

b*lly’s death. i guess he redeemed himself?? but ugh i didn’t want him to. didn’t shed a single tear ngl. and why was max so upset? he’s treated her like shit the entire time they’ve known each other.

the epilogue. the entire thing was awful in my opinion. the hopper voiceover was done well and i had tears streaming down my face the entire time but the context of it, and the scenes surrounding it- ugh. so we start off with a steve & robin scene that feels so incongruous i got whiplash. it’s really long, as well, and i just couldn’t concentrate on it because it lacked all the emotional weight of the scenes before. it was not good. and then we go through all the other characters’ reactions to the byers moving before we finally get to el and joyce, the two most affected by hopper’s death. el gets a very, very long scene. which is fine, because she needs to grieve her father figure. but throughout the season the el & hopper bond was so lacking that it felt odd for it to be so laboured at the end. meanwhile joyce gets little more than a sad look - an excellent look, winona deserves all the awards - but just a look. it lacked the emotional payoff we needed. and them all leaving? i get that joyce desperately needs a fresh start after hopper’s death, of course, but el needs her friends. and how the hell is s4 going to work? tbh i’m wondering if they’re just going to end it there. i hope they don’t, but they’re going to have to work very hard to make s4 succeed.

byers family. where the hell were my family interactions? joyce was apart from her sons all season (which in some ways was good, because she could grow beyond just being a mother) but the byers are what make this show so special. jonathan and will barely spoke to each other despite being in loads of scenes together. will should’ve been allowed to talk to jonathan or joyce about what he was going through with his friends. there should have been some bonding, goddamnit. maybe if they’d cut that karen and b*lly bullshit at the beginning, which, by the way, served absolutely no purpose?? at all? it didn’t advance the storyline in any way, shape or form?? wtf

anyway i’m sure there’s stuff i’ve missed, but here’s my preliminary thoughts. i actually did really enjoy this season, but i obviously have a lot of issues with it lol. it also didn’t really feel?? like stranger things?? like the vibes were completely different idk. feel free to drop me an ask telling me what you thought!

#jopper #joyce byers #jim hopper #stranger things #will byers #st spoilers #stranger things spoilers #st meta #st3

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starsbythepocketful12 · 6 years

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Alright I fucking love Lucas Sinclair, Caleb McLaughlin, Mike Hanlon and Chosen Jacobs AND THE FACT Y'ALL ONLY CARE ABOUT MILEVEN AND REDDIE AND ELMAX PISSES ME OFF BECAUSE THEY DESERVE BETTER

So many people's reason for not liking Lucas is because he was mean to El for most of season 1. For a while I felt the same. But now things have changed. Think about it this way:

You're (seemingly) one of the only black boys in your school/town. You already get bullied for being black and you know because it's Indiana 1983 most likely get a lot of crap we don't even see just for being black. Just for fucking existing.

Then one of your best friends goes missing out of nowhere. Then you find a random creepy girl with a shaved head who barely talks the exact same place your friend went missing and she has fucking superpowers which you were pretty positive weren't real until you met her. And then when you finally get a chance to maybe find your friend, the girl and her superpowers screws it up. I'd be fucking pissed too! And she barely ever even gave him a reason! And then because of her you almost fucking died!

Under these circumstances Lucas's actions make COMPLETE AND TOTAL SENSE. I would behave the same way in his situation, and don't try to tell me you wouldn't also. We as audience members know that El isn't dangerous and she isn't responsible for Will's disappearance, but Lucas doesn't! All he knows is his best friend is missing, this weird girl with superpowers is messing up his chance at finding his friend, and his other best friend is too heart eyes and clueless to even consider it.

Another thing: HE COMES AROUND IN THE END!!!!!! Character fucking development! He changes because people change! I know a really strange phenonemnon right!!!

In the last two episodes he defends El alongside Mike and Dustin with no hesitation. And in S2 he shows no anger or resentment towards her in the slightest. And in general as a character, Lucas is funny, smart, loyal, kind, sweet and thoughtful. Lucas is awesome and the fact he is not getting the appreciation he deserves is as Nancy would say, "bullshit."

And Caleb! He is also so smart and sweet and nice and talented and stylish and cool! That boy is a fashion icon! And he's so cool in interviews and he's so sweet meeting fans! Why are we ignoring him he's amazing!!!!

And Mike Hanlon! He's brilliant and brave and selfless and modest and sweet and kind and an amazing friend and deserves better than this! In the movie their treatment of his character and the fact they gave his librarian historian thing to Ben and made him more of a physical violent character is honestly just racist tbh. Also the movie spent way too much time on a stupid love triangle for the audience to actually get to know Mike as a character and like 85% of what I know about Mike is from tumblr. So let's not make the movie writers/directors mistakes. Let's give Mike the love and appreciation he deserves.

And Chosen Jacobs oh my lord!!!!! He's literally got the voice of angels I'm not even exaggerating! And he's so sweet and grateful and he's also super funny and as well as Caleb a style icon and once again deserves better than this! Y'all are too invested in stupid ass drama with Jack's girlfriend (which by the way, Jack's personal life is none of your business, stay out of it. If he wants to date Ellie let him date Ellie! It's his decision! He can make choices for himself! And stop hating on Ellie. Bullying sucks and the way I've seen people treating her is disgusting. I do not want to share a fandom with bullies.) to notice the gift that is Chosen Jacobs!

In conclusion:

Stop hating on these amazing characters and actors because they're black. Because we all know that's the truth. That's the real reason why you haven't been giving them the same love and attention you've been giving Finn or Jack. It's because they're they're the only people of color in their groups. Once again, bullshit.

#it #stranger things #lucas sinclair #mike hanlon #caleb mclaughlin #chosen jacobs

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