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demifiendcruithne · 3 months
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i saw your pfp and thought of minecraft sculk it's so over for me
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the face of sculk apparently
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acti-veg · 11 months
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hello! I'd like to ask, do you have any tips on how to perform harm reduction and be vegan in a very unsupportive/toxic house? my parents would berate and insult me for being vegetarian so while I live with them this is not really an option... I try to avoid animal products as much as I can but since my parents buy the groceries and pretty much everything else I don't know what to do
every time I tried telling them to at least buy things vegetarian for me if they're too lazy to search for vegan options, they'd come back saying "well we don't know what to buy for you! we don't have anything else in the house that you can eat, shame that you have to eat meat right? 🤭" so for them I should be starving instead of eating (at the very least) something different from meat and fish, nevermind the fact that I could eat only potatoes, mushrooms and spicy hummus and be happy like that
I'm sorry to hear you're in a difficult position at home, this is something a lot of us deal with early in our veganism, so you're definitely not alone in it.
As much as they should be making an effort for you, it's clear that they're not, so it's is up to you then, to make your transition to veganism as effortless for them as you possibly can. You could volunteer to cook your own meals if you don’t already, you could shop for/pay for your own food if that’s a possibility, you could accompany them to the supermarket to point out good vegan options, or you could make a list if that would be easier for them. Go to the supermarket with them or go by yourself if you can, make a list of options (including which aisle they're in) and they really have no reason to refuse you at that point.
Faux meats are not difficult to find in a supermarket and you cook the same way you do meat. The advantage of that is that you can eat the same meals as them, you'd just subsistute the meat part for faux meats, and remove any dairy/eggs. Failing that, they can definitely find most of the common vegan staples, like pasta, noodles, rice, canned chickpeas/lentils, beans etc. That's really all you actually need. We eat the same things they do, just without the meat.
Just showing them the kind of meals you can make and how simple the food can be can sometimes be enough, because many people just can’t conceive of what a meal without animal products even looks like, and they object because they are picturing themselves having to buy expensive ingredients and cook from scratch because none of the meals they cook for you now are vegan. This isn’t the case of course, but it will take some time for them to realise how simple and straightforward cooking and eating vegan can be.
In terms of dealing with them serving you meat now, how you do that will depend on how safe your household is for you. Most parents are realistically not going to let their kid's starve, and if it's safe to do so then you absolutely should put your foot down here and refuse to eat animal products when they're served for you. In my experience, people who are not supportive will only respect boundaries if they're insisted upon - if they know you'll eat meat when it's served to you, they'll keep serving it. Sometimes boundaries can only be put in place by insisting on them, and enduring that initial battle of wills.
That only applies if it's safe for you to insist and be stubborn on this, if it's not, then all you can do is the best you're able to in your situation. Eat plant-based when you can, and buy vegan products whenever it is your choice to do so, until you're in a position where you can shop for yourself, or preferably, get the hell out of there. Good luck with it either way anon, and remember that my inbox is always open if you need advice or resources.
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Whenever I see TERFs bickering with people about the definition of a woman or lesbian or man or whatever, I just let out a loud sigh.
"Well the term for lesbian is homosexual adult human female!"
Okay.... and? I would have argued with them some time ago but now I'm just like... so? I don't think they understand that 1. terms and definitions can, have, do and will change over time. How homosexuality was classified as a mental illness or how women having negative emotions as hysteria and now they aren't because society has progressed and changed the meaning and view on topics? I recently learned that in the beginning, mushrooms were actually concidered plants for a long time because humans have only made two categories: plants and animals. Yet now, it's common knowledge that fungi are neither, because it is a biological fact that they are different from plants AND animals.
2. Just because YOU think that x = y doesn't mean anything to me. Sure, believe what you will about terms and definitions of words but I'm not obligated to agree with any of that.
And lastly, it is literally all made up. Words and definitions are all imaginary made up things by us humans. Money is fake. Half of the things we have and do in our daily lives are concepts that a bunch of people created, it does not reflect reality in any way. A piece of paper or a rock or a metal has no value, just like March isn't the "official beginning" of Spring. All of this shit's made up. Get a grip. There are better things to do than argue with random people online by trying to get them to debate your weird faschie TERF cult by sending them random asks like "What is a woman?". Goddamn.
And when you don’t answer their question bc you know they’re asking it in bad faith and will just mock or twist any answer they don’t like, they act like it means you “don’t know what a woman is”. It’s why I just insta block anyone who tries to ask me that kind of question.
That and definitions are not the law. No matter how you define woman for example? You are going to exclude someone who you would consider a woman. And every time they’ve tried to argue this isn’t the case, I’ve been given definitions that literally exclude me as an afab person.
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solosol · 9 months
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you know what i want to be doing. I want to be growing my own food, not in my garden but in my wild food forest, rejoicing when its time to harvest the fruits of my labour, contemplating the next harvest, and what I might change, but I also want to put in the work, I want to plant the seeds and do whatever it is I'm meant to with the soil. I want to be painting with handmade pigments, however you do that, or locally sourced I don't know. I want to find all the records I really care about and then play them in my room, on a warm summers evening or a cold winter morning.
I want to still make music with the people around me, but just for creation sake, to express and not to become the next viral musician. i still want to take photos of everything and everyone around me. I want to work in a local bookshop where I can advise people about what book to buy next if they are unsure, then make them coffee and ask about their day. maybe start a book club for fun. i want to actually be integrated into a community where I know the people and they know me. they come to my place after a long day for dinner, or maybe to borrow some milk or sugar. i kind of want to build my home and help build the homes of those around me. i want to be able to help in a meaningful way.
i want to be walking barefoot on the ground and letting my toes spread how they should naturally. i want to climb up a tree and smoke a spliff while I watch the sun set or rise. i want to forage some mushrooms and give my leftovers to my neighbours. i want to be feeding the local animals, provide them shelter when they need.
i want to be making communal art, communal love, communal happiness.
although i am eternally grateful for the roof over my head, the warm bed that I sleep in, the food in my stomach, the people around me who inspire me, love me. in this place I am no longer thriving, I don't even want to thrive here because my spirit does not align. all these things I want to do should not be luxury, should not be only afforded to those who can choose not to work. i can't accept that I am expected to work a potentially mind-numbing job, trying to climb higher and higher on an invisible ladder, one that wasn't even made for me. trying to win at a game that I have lost before I even started. the world is falling apart, she has been for a while and I simply refuse to keep doing this. i am not sure how I will remove myself from this matrix* but somehow I will. otherwise, I am sure my mind body and soul will rot here.
this is not a comment on those who choose to follow said path, some have the power, the drive, the will to win, and they will. me...i just simply can not. I thought it was a lack of ambition but i realised i just don't want to kill myself for an idea of happiness. in the end, being a famed photographer or poet or musician or even a revolutionary will not make me happy. as amazing as that would be, and i want to stress some parts of me would love that and do crave that. i know that in the end my soul, my spirit is not intertwined with those paths, i know that i would follow those paths for the image and not for the true purpose. i can find true purpose* in a different way.
again i say all of this but I have no idea how i am going to make this my reality, but somehow i will. i believe i am not going to be here for very long ( i really don't want to be) so sooner rather than later pls
*i hate using this word bacuse honestly its been bastardised
*i dont know what my true purpose is, or what true purpose actually means...its for lack or a better term.
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miniscule-meow · 2 years
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Yes you can.
I haven't decided which asks, so, "Please don't make me look up."
You can read more about Charlie and Felix: Here, Here and Here
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“It’s spring break next week! Are you excited?” She asks, shouldering her backpack.
“Not really.” He shrugs.
“Oh. Why not?”
“I don’t know. I don’t have any crazy plans or anything. You?” He shoves his hands into his pockets as they walk across the campus
“I don’t really have any plans yet either. I was actually going to ask if you wanted to do something together.”
“Oh, sure. What do you have in mind?” He glances over to her, knowing her she probably already has a whole plan mapped out.
“Well! I was thinking we could go camping! Have you ever been before?” She tries to gauge his reaction to the idea. He doesn’t give her much in terms of enthusiasm, but he does shake his head to let her know he’s never been on a camping trip before. “There are a few national parks and like state forests not too far from here! Staying at a campsite is relatively cheap, and I already have a ton of equipment.”
“Were you a girl scout or something?”
“No. I just like camping.” She laughs. He supposes it makes sense; her major is something like wildlife biology. “The weather is supposed to be awesome next week. Plus, it’s a great excuse to eat s’mores!” She grins over at him with pleading eyes.
“I do like s’mores,” He nods. “Sounds like it could be fun.”
“Awesome, I can’t wait! I’m so excited!” He grins as she does a little happy dance. They continue their way through the courtyard before having to go their separate ways for their next classes.
The week flies by, and soon the day approaches. They load up in Charlie’s truck, and a few hours later they are settled in at their campsite. He spends the day following her down hiking trails. She stops frequently to point out cool plants, to inspect fallen logs, and to doodle mushrooms and flowers in her journal. It’s cool seeing her in her element like this. That night, they do have s’mores, as promised.
Later that night, they’re in their respective sleeping bags in the tent, fast asleep. There’s a rustle and a clatter outside in the middle of the night, waking them both up.
“Oh shoot.”
“What’s going on?” He mumbles, barely coherent.
“I think we might have left some food out. That’s probably just a racoon or something. I’ll go scare it off.” She whispers, grabbing her flashlight and exiting the tent. “Get out of here ya trash panda! Go- oh!”
He hears something out there that sounds an awful lot bigger than a racoon. He bolts from the tent and finds Charlie’s flashlight illuminating a large bear. It's the largest creature he's ever seen, well. Aside from himself. The bear roars. Panicked, he practically tackles Charlie to yank her out of the way of the charging animal. In a matter of seconds, he’s up to his full gigantic height, shifting Charlie in his arms until she’s cradled safely in his palm. A flock of birds are disturbed from all of the nearby trees and the now frightened bear quickly scampers off into the woods.
He laughs nervously once the danger is passed. “That was crazy! You could have died just then. We both could have died. Gah, I might throw up! Oh gosh. No, sorry. I’m freaking out right now. That’s probably not very comforting. I’m fine. We didn’t die. We didn’t even get mauled. So that’s great." He realizes he was rambling and clears his throat. "Anyway... how are you holding up?” He unfurls his fingers, and finds her curled up into a little ball, pressing herself into his palm. That’s not what he was expecting to find. “Uh. Charlie?”
Without shifting much, she holds out her arm and gives him a shaky thumbs up. He frowns, pulling her up closer to his face. She responds by curling in tighter on herself. “Did that bear freak you out? I was really starting to think you weren’t afraid of anything.” He jokes, in an attempt to lighten the mood. He only gets more concerned when she doesn’t shoot back with a snarky comment like he was expecting.
“Earth to Charlie? Hey. You’re alright. You’re safe. I’ve got you, the bear’s gone. He’s probably gone off to tell all his bear friends about the crazy human he found in the woods toda- Oh.” He stills, a realization setting in. “Am I scaring you?” He takes his free hand, and gently brushes an index finger against her arm. “Charlie… could you look at me, please?”
“Please just... Please don’t make me look up right now.” Her voice quivers as she speaks.
“I really didn’t mean to scare you. I mean, I probably should have asked before just grabbing you like that but … there was a bear… I mean you saw that. So. Uh. I was just trying to…” He starts tripping over his words. Trying to explain, trying to apologize.
“No. That’s – I’m not afraid of you, Felix. Chill. I don’t think you could scare me if you tried.” The argument would be very strong, except she’s still curled up into a fetal position, trembling in his hand. Her voice is muffled by his palm because she refuses to sit up and look at him. He raises an eyebrow. “What you did was really cool, absolutely saved my life. I just. I’m... I think i might be afraid of heights? That's something I discovered about myself right now. So.” He jolts with the realization that he’s holding her 40 feet off the ground right now, if not higher.
“Oh, sorry. I didn’t even think about that.” Quickly he drops to his knees, wincing and mumbling an apology as she lets out a startled shriek, scrambling for purchase in her palm. He lowers her to the ground.
“Have we landed?” She says after he’s still for a moment.
“Yeah. Yeah, you’re good.”
Now she looks up. He expects her to scramble off of his palm as fast as possible, and dash away from him. She looks around, making sure they’re on the ground again before flopping over onto her back and staring up at him with a huff. She doesn’t seem particularly uncomfortable with being held in his hand. It was really just the height thing. Interesting.
“That was seriously like the tower of terror, dude. Oh gosh.”
“The drop in tower of terror is like… twice as tall.”
“What?”
“Sorry. That doesn’t matter, I get the point. I guess I should have lowered you down a bit slower than that.”
“I don’t think you could have done that any faster.”
“Sorry. I um… I don’t have a lot of experience holding people like this.” They look at each other for a moment. “This isn’t… particularly comfortable for me.” He says, his arm cramping from the awkward way he’s holding it. “If I stay sitting like this, do you think I could … not keep my hand on the ground?” She looks around, considering it for a moment before tentatively nodding. “I won’t drop you or anything. I promise.”
“I didn’t think you would I just…” She shrugs, not knowing how to articulate the rest of this thought.
He moves slowly this time, keeping her as steady as possible as he shifts to lean back against a tree. He raises her gently to his chest. She stiffens but doesn’t seem to be freaking out this time. She sits and leans against him.
He thinks about how his heartbeat must be completely audible to her. She could probably even feel it pulse through her with the way she is leaning against him. And then when he speaks, do the vibrations of his voice surround her as well? What must that feel like to her? Is it relaxing? Exciting? Scary but she just won't admit it? He's never had a person so close to him before. He blushes thinking about it. Then he remembers the part about how she can hear his heartbeat, and he tries to think about something else. He doesn't want his racing heart to give him away.
“I didn’t know you were afraid of heights.” He says casually, thankful that his thoughts don't get louder at this size too.
“Neither did I.”
They stay up chatting a bit, still ruffled from all the excitement. They are illuminated by the stars and the dying embers of their fire, surrounded by the gentle rustling of leaves and the songs of the first cicadas of the season. Eventually, they crawl back into their sleeping bags and go back to sleep.
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yffresbeard · 3 years
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Bestie what do you think is the most canon friendly take on how the green pact works (mushrooms okay or not, only in valenwood or applies outside, can opt in or opt out) / how would you rewrite things to form a more consistent set of rules
The most canon friendly interpretation is not my personal favorite interpretation so this is actually a pretty good question, and I'll answer how I'd rewrite the Green Pact separately to that.
NOTE THE FIRST: I will be basing the first portion of this answer on some NON-QUEST IMPACTFUL DIALOGUE EVELI SHARP-ARROW GIVES IN THE BLACKWOOD CHAPTER OF ESO. If you consider this a spoiler, don't read further. But, again, the dialogue I reference gives nothing of the plot away and will be entirely contextless.
NOTE THE SECOND: I'm exclusively talking about ESO because it's the only game that explores the Pact in any real detail, even if those details tend to contradict each other, much to my chagrin.
So the most solid based-only-canon interpretation I can come up is that mushrooms would probably be prohibited since they're a plant-like growable, the Pact applies only within the borders of the Green (i.e. Valenwood) and it is somehow optional.
During Blackwood, Eveli talks at one point about being excited to eat cake, as "you don't get to eat a lot of pastries under the Green Pact" - which implies that while at home she is bound by the Pact, but in Blackwood is able to indulge in Pact-unfriendly foods.
ESO does also show us unavoidable consequences for breaking the Pact, which can even apply to non-Bosmer supposedly not BOUND by the Green Pact so long as the punishment is decided by the community that IS bound by it. But it also shows us Bosmer breaking the Pact within the borders of Valenwood who face no retribution, divine or otherwise. So the only possible conclusion I can draw is that it must be somehow an "opt-in" thing since both conditions are shown to us AND we already know that the Meat Mandate (that states the bodies of fallen enemies must be eaten before they rot) is not practiced widely by the more "cosmopolitan" Bosmer.
One thing to note before I talk about how I would rewrite both the terms of the Pact and it's consequences is that we don't have a primary source on the Pact's terms. The clearest list we have comes from a book on how the Green Pact affects the Aldmeri Dominion, and vice versa;
Its rules are clear. Do not harm the forest. Do not eat anything made from plant life. Eat only meat. When you conquer your enemies, eat their flesh. Do not leave them to rot. Do not kill wastefully. Do not take on the shape of beasts. You are Wood Elves. Your form is sacred.
This is what we know of the Pact in the clearest terms, but it's still not a direct source (or at least not exactly what I'd consider one).
The first thing I would alter is "eat only meat" to be "eat only what you can derive from animals" which would broaden the scope to include things like dairy, eggs and honey explicitly rather than vaguely. Mushrooms would probably still be a source of debate depending on whether or not the people of Tamriel know that mushrooms aren't plants.
I'm not opposed to the meat mandate, but I would adjust the reasoning slightly - I think the Good Death of a Bosmer would be being returned to the Green, to nurture that which housed and fed you in life. Consuming the corpses of fallen conquered enemies denies them this, while also respecting and honoring their sacrifice.
And I think the last part, of being forbidden from changing their form, is perfect as is - it's literally the REASON the Pact was made with Y'ffre, to save the Bosmer from their formlessness.
Which leads me into the consequences of breaking the Pact and becoming an apostate. The Green Pact isn't just an aspect of Bosmer belief, it is a literal Pact that the Bosmer made with Y'ffre and therefore it should have actual divine consequences.
The way this is dealt with in game is inconsistent at best, but what we do know is that the ORIGINAL Oathbreakers were buried in the Tar Pits at Ouze, and their spirits subjected to the purgatorial state of Ooze until such time as they return to the Bosmer people to be whole again. We're shown a couple of instances in ESO of pactbreaking being litigated in a sense, with the infraction being investigated by an impartial third party (namely, the player) and ultimately culminating in the accused being kinda Thanos'd by nature spirits? It's unclear where they go but my assumption would be Ooze? Of course it's possible in this specific quest for the accused to not be a Bosmer, but regardless.
My solution would be to state explicitly in a book or maybe in dialogue with a Spinner or something that apostates one and all will have their spirits committed to Ooze regardless of whether or not a Treethane doles out a punishment to them. In the most severe cases of oathbreaking a Bosmer may be physically interred in Ouze like the original Apostates if a Treethane decides.
EDIT: I forgot to mention originally but I would make the dietary restrictions universal but obviously you cannot harm the Green if you’re not IN the Green so gathering plants and wood and such outside of Valenwood isn’t off-limits - Bosmer build and craft with imported timber as it stands already.
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Upside Down Headcanons:
Gonna tag @kingbillyharringrove because the two of us have talked in depth about this before, and @paladin-cleric-mage because they requested me to tag them! Love you guys. Lots of this will be me babbling about cool facts too because I love biology so much.
The most commonly accepted and seen headcanon- the Upside Down wildlife (with the possible exception of the Mindflayer) are a form of semi-sentient plant evolution. That being said, I'm now going to break down the different plant aspects of wildlife I have developed and would like to share, as well as habitat, time cycles, and weather.
Parasitic Plants
I would like to bring to your attention Rafflesia Arnoldii, also known as the Stinking Corpse Lily. It has a putrid, decaying flesh scent and produces the largest known individual flower in the world. "It is parasitic on members of the genus Tetrastigma (in the grape family, Vitaceae). It has no roots or leaves and most of the time lives unobserved inside the woody stems and roots of its host." (Source) Also, it looks like this:
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I can absolutely see the Democreatures being evolved from this beauty. In their larval stages, they would have to have a host to survive(as seen with Will, who was the host for what was probably Dart) There are many different types of Rafflesia that look very similar but are smaller however, so that's food for thought as well.
While we have not seen much in terms of the actual Upside Down (which is both a shame and a crime), it is easy to assume there are more living variants to the ecosystem than just the three we have been shown. It is, after all, an entire realm parallel to our own. And so, I would like to introduce you to Hydnora Africana, another unique parasitic plant, that grows in the roots of Euphorbia caput-medusae, a succulent. It's undetermined whether or not it has roots or a stem, though it's makeup lends it more towards having one root system and no stem. It's appearance is also fascinating, and it's far too easy to imagine some monstrous creature based off of it:
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The fine white threads when in first bloom are just wide enough for beetles to get in through, but may find it difficult to escape through. After a few days the "teeth" pull apart so that the beetles may escape and distribute their pollen. (Source)
There is also the plant Orobanche fasciculata, or Clustered Broomrape. They are endangered in many states, including Indiana! (Source) "Clustered Broomrape (Orobanche fasciculata), also known as Yellow Broomrape, has mostly 5-10 long, slender, 1-flowered stalks rising from a short, trunk-like stemusually 2-6 inches (5-15 cm) long. It occurs in the midwestern and Plains states." (Source) It is also nicknamed the Cancer Root, and it's a parasitic herb.  The species has both male and female reproductive organs, and is a perennial(meaning it comes back each year.) (Source) It is parasitic on the roots of Ambrosia and other members of the Compasitae. It is one of plants I have based herbivorous creatures off of, prey animals that act as a food source for Rafflesia and Hydnora variants. The reasoning for this is because of its medicinal uses. "The root is pectoral. The chewed root has been used as a dressing on wounds and open sores. An infusion of the leaves is used as a wash on sores. Forms of the plant that are parasitic on sweet sage roots have been used as a treatment of cancer." (Source) It looks like this:
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Fungi
With the spores that are constantly in the air of the Upside Down, and the often-times toxic nature of fungi, it's all too easy to picture variations of wildlife as evolved sentience from them as well. Here are some good contenders for potential wildlife!
Hydnellum Peckii, or the Bleeding Tooth Fungus, is a creature I've actually drawn and designed before! Similar to the Demogorgon, it is a humanoid omnivore. "Scientifically known as hydnellum peckii, the young bleeding tooth fungus’s thick red fluid oozes through its tiny pores, creating the appearance of blood. The underside of the cap has tooth-like spines. As it matures, the mushroom’s pale pink centre becomes dark, almost black, in colour... The bleeding tooth fungus is a mycorrhiza fungus, engaging in a symbiotic association with the roots of a vascular plant. The fungus receives fixed carbon from the host and, in return, improves the host plant’s mineral absorption." (Source) It looks like this:
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The Bleeding Tooth Fungus creature is a stealth hunter, lying in wait completely still. The blood colored fluid is also scented like blood, luring in unsuspecting prey for the creature to strike quickly and effeciently. It is not built for speed but rather strength and quick movements.
Armillaria mellea, also known as a Honey Mushroom, is a parasitic version that colonizes dead or dying plants, and will kill living hosts. It has an enzyme that gives it bioluminescence, and colonized plants where this fungus is present are known as Foxfire. (Source) It looks like this:
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Creatures based off of these fungi would loan themselves to bioluminescence, in either a total glow or perhaps something with design, such as species patterns.
Bioluminescence
This one is purely self-indulgent and festures heavily into an AU I've had in development for months and talked about at length with @kingbillyharringrove and @wickedlittleoz for being a rare jarringrove au.
I like to headcanon that there are enzymes that exist naturally in the water of the Upside Down, and when ingested and entering the bloodstream have a reaction with white blood cells that cause a bioluminescent reaction. I like to headcanon that this is why, despite the darkness of the night, it is never truly dark. There's always a dull glow at the very least.
Day & Night Cycles
I love the idea of the Upside Down having a day time, and I now feel ROBBED knowing that the original concept art had considered it! I like the idea of the Upside Down having a Red Sun instead of a sun like ours. During the day, the world os illumimated in a reddish glow and colors appear distorted to what we are used to. The plants tend to have more bluish purple tones during the day.
The dusk and dawn times are brilliant and full of life, with all the glowing beasts and fungi bursting to life in the first hour after sunset and right before sunrise. The late night period is the darkest, when things are either sleeping or hunting. Carnivores have evolved so that their glow is hidden, patterned like the flora surrounding them. This helps hide them from prey animals who might have eyes and flee.
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(Early concept art for the Upside Down)
Weather and Habitat
Now aside from the storm surrounding the Mindflayer, we don't have any real basis for the weather in the Upside Dowm aside from stale and still. My own headcanons include a few other phenomena including:
Acid rain storms. It's a world of death and shadows and decay. Acid rains fit in beautifully with this ideal.
Extreme heat waves, especially during the summer months when many of the creatures travel deep deep south or high high north towards the ever-frozen poles. Alternatively, the summer is when the heat-based creatures come out from hibernation or migrate back from their position at the equator.
Speaking of the equator, much like our world it's considerably warmer than the rest of the planet. Unlike our world, it's literally uninhabitable by the rest of the planet. It's a scorching barren wasteland with extreme volcanic activity and large pockets of gas below the surface of the earth that frequently boil over and explode. The gases are deadly to breathe in even for the native creatures.
Sand and glass storms. Sand storms are prevalent on the outskirts of the equator, where deserts line the center of the globe. Glass storms are closer to the center of the equator, where freak lightening and rapid heat rising keeps the sands crystalized and when the wind catches them and cools the molten sand rapidly, it turns into glass. It's not fun.
The Ocean
This one is fair game, and honestly? Not one I've put too much development into because the possibilities are wider than we can even imagine. I mean, hell. Our OWN oceans provide otherworldly horrors on a daily discovery basis. What would the Upside Down have to offer?
The only thought we've really put into it is @kingbillyharringrove and I decided that the deepest part of our own ocean was a connector to the Upside Down's. When it comes to the oceans, our worlds overlap consistently.
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