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hiirolangley · 3 years

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Okay, we’re discussing Maruma ships now so here are some not on the main list yet! + my rambling and disjointed thoughts as they occurred to me.

So there was the brief Flynn x Yuuri mutual crush thing that happened in Shimaron. The almost-touch in Big Shimaron when Flynn reaches out to him springs to mind as well as the 'kiss' to knock Yuuri out and their dance at the ball where they just end up holding each other. Although Yuuri very clearly decides in his brain not to like her in the end and Flynn is like, I'm married to Caloria, there was still a little something there (and it probably partially contributed to how much Wolf hates her XD). Throwing in my thoughts about this one here... it's kinda ehhhhhhhhhhhhh..... I mean, Wolfram is one thing because the whole mazoku aging thing, but Flynn is a human in her twenties and Yuuri is sixteen. It's definitely ehhhhhh.......... I’m not calling the police or anything especially since nothing happened, just giving it a major side-eye. In any case, this crush is significant because once Yuuri decides in words in his head not to fall in love with her, he stops looking at women altogether. Name another woman from that point on that he fanboys over like he did all the time prior to meeting Flynn.

Sticking to Flynn, Flynn x Norman were a married couple and they did truly seem to be in love. Just by how much she fights for her late husband's land and people and talks about how she regrets never having the chance to have his children and how she completely betrayed her family's expectations to infiltrate Norman's family for political fuckery, I think it's pretty obvious.

Also Conrad x Maidmer Princess!!! How could you forget the most iconic pairing of the entire series!! XDDD She's the one and only woman Conrad out loud admits to being in love with (although honestly not sure how that worked because they couldn't even have a conversation, but oh well). The story this came from also gave us many fun moments ranging from Josak trying to set extremely obviously straight Conrad up with a group of crossdressers, Gwendal's mind getting blown like 10x in a row thinking that extremely obviously straight Conrad was sleeping with men (including Josak) but then trying to assure Conrad through his shock that he’ll be okay with it while Conrad freaks out, Gwendal wholeheartedly ready to accept a fish lady as his sister in law, Yuuri accidentally insulting the fuck out of Conrad's room, Conrad being worried that Yuuri was calling him boring for a minute before getting mentally smacked in the face by Yuuri complaining about being rated 88% unfuckable (and Conrad thinking to himself, well yeah of course), and just Conrad's POV in general which is always fun because he is a little shit XDDD Also I love when he was thinking to himself, I spent the war sleeping with all sorts of women, some of whom were married, and when the war was over people called me a Whore Prince... and then the first complaint he makes about that is along the lines of I’m not a prince, dumbasses. What a fucking gift to humanity that story was.

Getting off my Crack!otp, there’s Cherie's 3 husbands! I think volume 5's prologue sums that up best so I’ll just direct people there.

And then, Yuuri’s parents! Shouma x Miko. The couple that should not have lasted because they literally went on like 5 dates before Shouma confessed to being a mazoku and Miko was like OMG MARRY ME NOW SO I CAN HAVE MAZOKU BABIES despite thinking he was lame af beforehand... and then they got married XDD I feel like every time they appear on page together they get into an argument or misunderstanding, but they’re still together so /shrug

That’s all I can think of right now~

Moving on...

My otp for this series is the royal couple. How often is my otp the official endgame couple!? NEVER! Lord knows I get Second Lead Syndrome on every damn story I read/watch, but for this series I’m not rooting for Conrad. Way back in my early maruma fangirling days, I liked Yuuram and Conyuu equally because who doesn’t love anyone Morikawa Toshiyuki voices? I know that could be hard to believe I liked opposing ships the same amount, but that’s an actual thing that happened. Once I grew up, the Conyuu went away. That kinda sounds insulting to Conyuu shippers, but it’s not. Let me explain~ Psychoanalyzing myself, me liking Conyuu was more me being like, Conrad would be the perfect boyfriend! instead of Conrad and Yuuri are great together!, but when I got older I was like, holy hell he would actually be the worst boyfriend after a while no thanks??? XDDDDD That’s a whoooole other post I probably won’t make~ Anyway, we all have embarrassing college-aged memories whether you attended or not so let’s move on.

Anyway, I know Conyuu is baited all the time and rereading the Maidmer Princess story reminded me that Conrad says looking at Yuuri’s sleeping face gave him the same feeling as looking at the maidmer he fell in love with, but there’s no way that relationship’s gonna pan out canonically. I feel like I’m playing with fire saying that though o.o

Moving on again, ships I fully support would be:

Yuuri x Wolf

Gwendal x Anissina

Adalbert x Julia (you know, in a posthumous way)

And you know what??? Josak x Murata. The chaos. The pure Bisexual Chaos™. I’m here for that.

Also on the topic of couples! Let’s talk about Nicola and Hube. I have feelings here. Say what you want about Wolfram, at least he’s mentally on the same page as Yuuri. Gegenhuber is a whole ass man who knocked up a 15/16 year old. I know they made her older in the anime, but don’t believe those lies! Do I need to elaborate how he’s gross? I don’t think so. BUT, I do like how sensei filtered it through Yuuri’s POV. (Fyi, I realize the following is partially headcanon) As an also 16yo, this grossness does not cross Yuuri’s mind at all. In fact, the only thing he remarks on is that he can’t believe she was pregnant and getting married to another man ... but it crosses Gwendal’s. Adult Gwendal is FURIOUS when he finds out Nicola is pregnant. He was already mad because he hates Gegenhuber and was getting irritated that he and Nicola were in love/told her he’d use the mateki to help humans, but when he finds out she’s preggers and they totally had sex he loses his shit. I dunno, it’s like sensei properly communicated that a teenager wouldn’t necessarily recognize the fucked-up nature of a man in his twenties (or the mazoku version of that) starting a relationship with a 15yo and that they also might misinterpret the anger of the older people who do know better.

And like a cherry on top, Gwen’s anger is solely directed at Gegenhuber, not Nicola. After this adventure, Gwendal personally takes super good care of Nicola and makes sure she’s set up nicely with the Grisela family and even visits her regularly... and then when Gegenhuber wakes up, Gwendal almost kicks him to death. Seriously, he literally kicked him so much Anissina had to heal him so he wouldn’t die (and while she was healing him she was like, you’re fucking gross and I wouldn’t care if you dropped dead here, but I kinda have to do this.) I dunno, I feel like there are so many reasons for people to hate Gegenhuber, I can’t make the claim that this is 100% significantly adding to the hatred. Would you notice another drop in a bucket? But this is my opinion on the matter~ Anyway, it’s 1:30am and I need to stop typing!

#manniversary 2020 #MA event #kyou kara maou #maruma

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illyria-and-her-pet · 5 years

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Ice Dance Drama Timeline

Natalia Dubova rises as an ice dance coach in the 80s when Irina Moiseeva/Andrei Minenkov go to her as their career ends.

Tatiana Tarasova coaches Natalia Bestemianova/Andrei Bukin to 1988 Olympic Gold. They retire from amateur skating after winning 1988 Worlds.

Dubova’s Marina Klimova/Sergei Ponomarenko and Maya Usova/Alexander Zhulin are now fighting to be the top team in the world. Dubova also coaches another medal contender, Oksana Grishuk/Evgeni Platov.

Dubova favors Usova/Zhulin going into the 1992 Olympics.

According to Elena Vaitsehovskaya’s book, she saw Klimova cry when she found out Dubova favored Usova/Zhulin.

Andrei Bukin, who became good friends with former rival Sergei Ponomarenko after his retirement through show skating, begs TAT for over an hour to leave the theater and comeback to coaching and take Klimova/Ponomarenko, so they aren’t robbed of 1992 Olympic gold. He had already told Klimova/Ponomarenko that TAT would coach them before he even talked to her. TAT ends up agreeing.

Usova/Zhulin have been married since 1986. Zhulin starts having an affair with Grishuk.

Zhulin gives Grishuk his wedding ring before the 1992 Olympics in Albertville, France for good luck. Grishuk wears it on a chain on her neck for the compulsory dances:

“How did she find out? This is just a guess, but maybe it was because he gave me his wedding ring for good luck before the Winter Olympics in France. I wore it on a chain around my neck in the compulsory dances. I gave back the ring the next day, after Maia went ballistic.” (x)

At the 1992 Olympics in February, Klimova/Ponomarenko win gold (TAT), Isabelle and Paul Duchesnay (Martin Skotnicky) win silver, Usova/Zhulin (Dubova) win bronze, and Grishuk/Platov (Dubova) come in 4th.

At the 1992 World Championships in late March, the podium is 1. Klimova/Ponomarenko (coached by TAT, but formerly coached by Dubova), 2. Usova/Zhulin (Dubova’s faves), and 3. Grishuk/Platov (also coached by Dubova).

Grishuk and Zhulin’s affair continued during the 1992 Tour of World and Olympic Champions. Usova caught Grishuk and Zhulin together at a restaurant and hit Grishuk’s head against a bar counter:

“Usova walked into Spago’s restaurant in Hollywood, saw Grishuk sipping a margarita at the bar, came up behind her, grabbed her hair and smashed her head against the counter." (x)

According to Grishuk, Usova actually went to her hotel room and begged her for forgiveness the next day:

“What they don't write is that Maia came to my hotel room the next day, got down on her knees and begged me to forgive her. Now we are friends.” (x)

Dubova kicks Grishuk out of her coaching camp for getting involved with Zhulin in mid-1992:

“Natalia Dubova, the woman who coached the four of us in Lake Placid, N.Y., sent me home to Moscow. She said she couldn't stand to see Maia cry.” (x)

Dubova tries to pair Platov with Tatiana Navka (future 2006 Olympic champion who is just a teen at the time). Grishuk goes back to her first coach, Natalia Linichuk. She is getting ready to skate with Peter Tchernyshev in case, but calls Platov saying “don’t let them tear us apart” even though Grishuk and Platov hate each other. BTW back in the late 80s, Peter Tchernyshev also skated with Maria Anikanova (Evgeni Platov’s wife).

Platov follows Grishuk to Linichuk in fall 1992 and they train under her:

“After a brief stop in Germany, where she, too, sought a new partner, Gritschuk returned to Moscow and her previous coach, Natalia Linichuk, Dubova's rival. Platov, who was supposed to go to Lake Placid in September 1992, stayed in Moscow to be with his new wife and rejoin his old dance partner.” (x)

Apparently Linichuk thought Grishuk was a traitor for leaving her in the first place since she was her first coach from 11 years old to 1989. Grishuk’s mom and aunt explained her situation to Gennadi Karponosov, Linichuk’s ice dance partner, husband, and co-coach and Karponosov convinced Linichuk to take her back.

Not sure if this is a reliable source, but allegedly Zhulin wanted Grishuk to quit skating to prove her devotion to him, she agreed, Platov got mad and snitched to Dubova that Grishuk wanted them to move to her old coach Linichuk, and then Dubova and her husband beat Grishuk when she kicked her out:

“Because of Grishuk Platov forgot about the wedding. He was going to marry Masha Anikanova, a skater who later became an actress. That time Oksana was head over heels in love with another skater Alexander Zhulin. She fell in love so much that could fulfill any Zhulin’s wish. Alas Alexander was married to Maya Usova.

Once, during a foreign tour Zhulin presented Oksana with a wedding ring, but… asked not to put it on, as he was not divorced yet.

“Now you know how I love you”, said Zhulin. “Can you prove your love to me?”

– What should I do? – Oksana asked quietly.

– You should quit skating. For me. For us.

– But why?

– We’ll have a family, you know. My wife is a skater. I do not want this. At work and at home, we have the same problems. I need another family. Well, do you agree?

Oksana almost cried. At the beginning of the career. But if because of love… So, she agreed.

Grishuk didn’t want to be with Platov and refused him. The man was offended. And Platov said to their coach Dubova that Grishuk wanted to take him and returned to Natalia Linichuk, who was Oksana’s ex-coach.

Dubova was shocked! She and her husband couldn’t cope with their nerves and broke Oksana’s rib and nearly knocked out a tooth.

As a result, Grishuk packed up and flew to Moscow.

Platov found a new partner – Tatiana Navka. Evgeni was still together with Masha Anikanova, but their marriage was short-lived.

Grishuk came to Moscow, hung her skates on the wall and began waiting for her prince Zhulin.

One night Maya Usova phoned Oksana and told her about her husband’s love affair with Tatiana Navka. Grishuk could not sleep.

A day later Zhulin called her: “Well, dear, are you waiting for me?”

Oksana said that she knew everything about his affair with Navka and asked not call her anymore.

The duo Platov-Navka broke up and he came to Linichuk and Karponosov.

To get over the depression Grishuk also came to Linichuk. So the couple Platov – Grischuk was reunited and in 1994 they became Olympic champions. Then, in 1994 Oksana could not even imagine that just four years later she would skate paired with Zhulin, with a man, whom she thought she would never forgive.” (x)

1990 and 1992 World Junior Champions Marina Anissina/Ilia Averbukh split at the end of the 1991-1992 season because Averbukh falls in love and teams up with Irina Lobacheva. Anissina and her mother studied videotapes of international competitions and selected Gwendal Peizerat and Victor Kraatz as suitable partners. Anissina sent letters to both but the one to Kraatz did not reach him. Peizerat did not respond immediately but when his partnership with Marina Morel fell apart, he contacted Anissina. Anissina wanted them to skate for and train in Russia, but Peizerat’s family was opposed, so they trained in Lyon with Muriel Zazoui and represented France.

At the 1992 Russian National Championships, Alla Shekhovtsova tells the judges if they put Elena Kustarova/Oleg Ovsyannikov over Anjelika Krylova/Vladimir Fedorov their careers will be over:

“The only rock on Linichuk’s way to gathering all potential contenders for the two vacancies on the Russian team (one was reserved for Usova and Zhulin) under her umbrella was her collegue Svetlana Alekseeva. To be exact, the problem was her skaters – her daughter Elena Kustarova and Oleg Ovsyannikov, who were constantly competing with Linichuk’s Angelica Krylova and Vladimir Fedorov, and along with them eyed the third spot on the team (the second was predestined to belong to Gritchuk and Platov).

The 1992 Nationals in Chelyabinsk were supposed to make the final determination. I naively supposed that all the talk of the “bought” judges that I kept hearing from all camps was nothing more than an attempt by the weaker (or less confident) contender to excuse their possible loss in the fight. Yet on the second day of the competition, after the dancers were done with their compulsories, I became an unwitting witness to the most engaging scene. Piseev’s wife, judge Alla Shehovtseva, was surrounded by the judges from this competition, and without pulling any punches or choosing her words, was driving home a very simple point – anyone who will place Alekseeva’s team above Linichuk’s in the upcoming programs can consider their careers over.

Despite those instructions, the results were even. Kustarova and Ovsyannikov lost by one vote. However, they also lost their whole career – Krylova and Fedorov got onto the team, got bronze a few months later at the Worlds in Prague, and just a little later Ovsyannikov was lured to Linichuk’s camp to skate with Krylova just as Fedorov was thrown out. The dangerous opposition was rooted out.” (x)

Usova/Zhulin are clearly the #1 team in both Russia and the world in the 1992-1993 season. They win both the 1993 European Championships in January and the 1993 World Championships in March with 1st place finishes in every segment. Grishuk/Platov place 2nd at both events. At Worlds, Grishuk/Platov are even almost overtaken by bronze medal winners Krylova/Fedorov.

Dubova refuses to let Rusfed see Usova/Zhulin’s programs ahead of time since Zhulin is injured. Rusfed switches their support to Grishuk/Platov for Olympic season.

At the 1994 Olympics in February, Usova was extra depressed because Zhulin started having an affair with Navka as well while Grishuk was away. Zhulin was 31, while Navka was only 19. Then Navka’s partner, Samvel Gezalian beat Navka and said “HOW COULD YOU DO IT TO MAYA SHE’S YOU’RE FRIEND.” Then Usova’s mom and Zhulin’s mom started beating each other too. The police got involved.

Grishuk/Platov win the 1994 Olympics. Usova/Zhulin retire from amateur competitions. Grishuk/Platov then go on to win the 1994 World Championships in March as well.

Krylova/Fedorov split after 1994 Worlds where they had to withdraw from the free dance due to an injury to Krylova. Krylova teams up with Oleg Ovsyannikov.

Linichuk moves her base to Newark, Delaware. Grishuk/Platov and Krylova/Ovsyannikov follow her there.

After 1995 Worlds, Navka/Gezalian split.

At 1996 Worlds in March, you can see this fluff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrpC9QEXAZs about Grishuk/Platov and Krylova/Ovsyannikov and how they love training together in the US and the most important thing is to stay friends. Grishuk/Platov got gold and Krylova/Ovsyannikov got silver. They were the top 2 teams in the world leading into the 1998 Olympics.

Grishuk/Platov and Linichuk start to have problems. Some say that Grishuk/Platov wanted Linichuk to weaken Krylova/Ovsyannikov, so Grishuk/Platov would have an easier way to another Olympic gold, while others say Linichuk wanted Grishuk/Platov to retire so Krylova/Ovsyannikov could win Olympic gold. Linichuk also tried to take credit for choreographing Grishuk/Platov’s 1996-1997 programs from after they left her:

“On the other hand, when, in 1997, Russian, World, and Olympic ice-dance champions Grishuk & Platov split with their coach, 1980 Olympic champion Natalia Linichuk, they chose to fight all of their battles exclusively in the press. In December of 1996, Grishuk & Platov, having been off-ice for most of the season due to Platov's knee injury, reportedly travel led to Moscow, for a secret meeting with the Russian Federation. There, they sought a guarantee that they would win all the competitions they entered, leading up to the 1998 Olympics. The Federation told them they could provide no such guarantee. Grishuk & Platov then returned to their home-base in Newark, DE, to ask their coach, also coach of the 1996 World Silver Medallists, Krylova & Ovsianikov, to insure another year of victory for them, by deliberately weakening the second team. When Linichuk also refused, Grishuk & Platov split for Marlboro, MA, and Tatiana Tarasova, trainer of 1996 World Silver Medalist Ilia Kulik. At the 1997 European championship, after Grishuk & Platov's new dances not only won them the gold, but also an almost record-breaking twelve perfect 6.0's (England's Torvill & Dean still hold the record, 17 6.0's at the 1984 Europeans), Linichuk tried to take credit for the stunning victory, by claiming she'd participated in choreographing their new numbers. Grishuk categorically denied the contention, adding ‘Let God be her judge.’

God, or at least, the Russian media, who sided squarely with the skaters over their ex-coach, asserting in ‘6.0,’ the official publication of the Russian Skating Federation, ‘Linichuk did every-thing in her power to push Grishuk & Platov into the professional realm. This duo had already done their thing for her (won Olympic gold) and she was convinced it was time for them to leave.’ At Europeans and the subsequent Worlds, even the Ukrainian media got into the act, ruminating about their national champions, Romanova & Yaroshenko, who also trained under Linichuk, ‘One can only feel sorry for the athletes. Their mentor will never make champions of them. Linichuk is a trainer first and foremost of Russian skaters, and she always places her bets on the Russian athletes. As long as (Romanova & Yaroshenko) keep training with Linichuk, they will see medals hanging only on the necks of their opponents.’

Within months of the media declaring Natalia Linuchuk persona non gratta of skating, the coach who, at the 1996 Europeans, saw a podium filled with only her skaters (Grishuk & Platov Gold, Krylova & Ovsianikov Silver, Romanova & Yaroshenko Bronze) was down to one winning team. Heeding the advice of the Ukrainian press, Romanova & Yaroshenko also defected to Tarasova.” (x)

Later in 1996, Grishuk/Platov leave Linichuk and move to Tatiana Tarasova in Marlborough, Massachusetts. TAT said in her book that Grishuk could be such a bitch sometimes that she wanted to beat her, but congratulates herself for refraining herself.

In 1996, Navka teams up with Nikolai Morozov. They are coached by Zhulin and Bob Young in Connecticut.

On a summer skating tour, American singles’ skater, Nicole Bobek, and Grishuk start feuding over both being romantically involved with figure skating tour promoter, Michael Collins. Grishuk claims Bobek slapped her, while Bobek denies ever touching her. Apparently, Bobek was also linked to the divorce of Platov and Anikanova:

“American skater Nicole Bobek slapped Grishuk while the two argued over a mutual lover, Michael Collins, a skating tour promoter. ‘I almost fainted,’ Grishuk said. ‘I'm not very big. I thought to hit her back but I didn't want to get into a fight. I didn't understand. I was crying, of course. I didn't do anything. Then she apologized later that night.’” (x)

“‘Pasha, or whatever she calls herself, is one of those people who needs attention,’ said U.S. singles skater Nicole Bobek.Where, you might ask, does Bobek fit into this plot? It was a boyfriend thing, with first Grishuk and then Bobek vying for the affections of the same man. Grishuk said Bobek slapped her in a hotel lobby last spring.‘I never touched her,’ said Bobek, who once was linked romantically to the divorced Platov.” (x)

On September 29, 1997, Oksana Grishuk changed her first name from Oksana to Pasha because she was tired of being confused with 1994 Olympic ladies champion who had been arrested for drunk driving, Oksana Bauil:

“I legally changed my first name to Pasha.If you are going to have a name for the rest of your life, it should reflect your personality. I am passionate about life, about skating, about Hollywood.

I didn't want to be Oksana any more because so many people confused me with Oksana Baiul, the bad Oksana, the criminal Oksana. She is a fat has-been.” (x)

Elena Vaitsehovskaya said that one of the reasons Grishuk changed her name from Oksana to Pasha was because she was jealous that everyone in America knew Oksana Bauil, but not her and was offended when people would confuse them.

At the 1997 Champion Series Final (the equivalent of today’s Grand Prix Final) in December, Grishuk’s aunt confronted Canadian team Shae-Lynn Bourne/Victor Kraatz over their Beatles original dance not being rock n’ roll enough. Shae-Lynn thinks Grishuk sent her aunt, but Grishuk denies sending her:

“Grishuk trashed Baiul during December’s Champions Series Final in Munich, Germany. That also was where her aunt, Zoya Kujawsky, interrupted a news conference to excoriate the quality of Bourne’s and Kraatz’s skating. Kujawsky, who Grishuk says is a journalist, did not have media accreditation. ‘Some people would stoop to any level,’ Bourne said, implying, as others have, that the aunt was planted by Grishuk.” (x)

“A bizarre outburst occurred at a news conference following the original dance when a woman identified as Grishuk’s aunt criticized the Canadians, telling them they didn’t belong in second place and that their performance to Beatles music could not be considered rock and roll. Kraatz said the criticism felt like a kick in the groin. Bourne seemed on the verge of tears. ‘I don’t know the woman very well,’ Grishuk said of her aunt. ‘I haven’t seen her in three years.’” (x)

Before the 1998 European Championships where Grishuk/Platov were 1st and Krylova/Ovsyannikov were 2nd, Krylova said she thought the result was already decided:

“But there is plenty of oral sparring among the coaches and athletes in this discipline where rules are disregarded by both skaters and judges. Krylova, runnerup at the European championships, did not hesitate to say, ‘I think the result already was decided’ before the competition.” (x)

At the 1998 European Figure Skating Championships in January, Krylova/Ovsyannikov and Grishuk/Platov collided TWICE in practice and sustained injuries. Krylova claimed it was an accident, but Platov thought they were out to kill them:

“Linichuk also coaches Krylova and Ovsiannikov. At the European championships in January, first Grishuk (forearm) and then Platov (pant leg) was cut by one of Krylova's skates during encounters that occurred in a practice session and the warmup for the compulsory dances.‘Everybody wants to win, but nobody wants to kill each other,’ Krylova said. ‘We're not boxers.’” (x)

“At the last European Championships in Milan, Italy, Krylova slashed Grishuk on her forearm with a skate blade and sliced Platov's costume behind the knee. Krylova called it an accident. ‘I think maybe because we are winning so many times,’ Platov said, ‘they are trying to kill us.’” (x)

Linichuk threatened to sue Grishuk/Platov for $100,000 in unpaid coaching fees, but they said that she didn’t give them enough attention and that’s why they moved to TAT:

“It also has brought them near legal action by former coach Natalia Linichuk, who claims she is owed nearly $100,000 by Grishuk and Platov. They counterclaim Linichuk, who coached the pair to 1994 Olympic gold, owed them more personal attention. They left her 14 months ago for Tatiana Tarasova.” (x)

TAT said that she didn’t think Bourne/Kraatz deserved a medal at the 1998 Olympics:

“Tarasova thinks anyone could see Bourne and Kraatz don’t deserve a medal. ‘In my professional view, the Canadians are not ready for competition this year,’ said Tarasova, who coached the 1988 and 1992 Winter Olympic dance champions." (x)

Dubova who of course hates her former pupil Grishuk and was also Bourne/Kraatz’s coach replied with this:

“Dubova, the Canadians’ coach, countered: ‘Probably we are being attacked because for the first time in history, a North American couple (is trying) to win an Olympic gold medal in ice dancing.’” (x)

Victor Kraatz trashed Grishuk/Platov’s Memorial free dance saying they always recycled their programs, while Grishuk said Bourne/Kraatz’s Riverdance was so easy she could learn it in a day:

“Grishuk said she could do the Canadians’ ‘Riverdance’ routine in a heartbeat. One of Grishuk’s relatives even got into the fray by lambasting the Canadians for their original-dance piece. The relative, who was wearing a press pass, claimed the Canadians weren’t dancing to rock and roll. The Canadian couple responded that the Beatles are, indeed, rock 'n’ roll. ‘It seems like every year the Russians pick the same kind of TC music and the same kind of programs,’ Kraatz said. ‘They pick that slow, sad music. It seems like all they have to do different is change the expression on their faces.’” (x)

“Grishuk said at a competition last December that she could learn Bourne and Kraatz's Riverdance routine in a single day. ‘Why don't they try?’ Kraatz huffed.Then he ripped the Russians, saying they choose the ‘same, sad, slow’ music each year. ‘You just have to look very sad,’ Bourne said.” (x)

The Canadian federation accused the Russian, French, and Italian federations of making judging deals:

“The Canadian skating federation has accused the Russian, French and Italian judges of deal-making in order to prop up their own skaters.

Grishuk said that those who complain about the judging are ‘weak.’” (x)

After the compulsory dances, Dubova claimed the Olympics was rigged against Bourne/Kraatz in favor of the French and Russians:

“‘It's a joke,’ Dubova said. ‘I don't know what else to call it. The judges had a lot of time in Milan, at the European championships [in January], to discuss what to do here, to discuss how beautiful the Russians and the French are skating, to decide who must be on the podium.’

‘They think they need to put us down to make sure they have a third place to give. I saw this from the Russian judge. I saw this from the French judge. I knew they would do this.’

Dubova, who once coached Grishuk and Platov, was asked if she believed the competition was rigged.

‘Oh yes, oh yes,’ she replied. ‘They did this all before the competition. . . . It was prepared before by the Russians and the French.’

Dubova's eyes were red as she spoke emotionally about Friday's judging, visibly upset over the fifth-place score Bourne and Kraatz received for their first compulsory dance, the Golden Waltz.

Bourne's voice, too, cracked as she railed against the judging.

‘I'm a little disappointed, but I also expected that this could happen,’ Bourne said. ‘It's frustrating because it's out of our control. It has nothing to do with how we skate this week--it has to do with what goes on outside the sport. It's out of our hands, so far beyond our control.’

‘I think you saw all the mistakes,’ Dubova told reporters. ‘That was almost foul, what Grishuk and Platov did. The other Russians, they did not skate close together, and same with the French. The first partner was much faster--they could not hold the same speed.’

‘I can tell you Bourne and Kraatz had the [most complex] program, skated the closest to the other partner, had equal speed and had great positioning. . . .’

‘But the judges, they so wanted to show that North Americans cannot have more than the bronze medal. They know North America has many good skaters now, and they want to keep them down. I think Punsalan-Swallow is a very good couple. I think the second Canadian couple [Chantal Lefebvre and Michel Brunet] should not be 19th--they should be higher than that.’

‘I don't know what to tell our skaters.’

‘We need to explain what they are doing to us,’ Dubova said. ‘We are not happy with the bronze medal. We are ready to fight for gold.’” (x)

Gwendal Peizerat said there was no deal between the Russians and French:

“‘All this political stuff with the Russians is not our stuff,’ Peizerat said. ‘Our stuff is the skating side. We are really out of the political side.’

‘At Munich [at the Champions Series Final in December], we won four judges to five for the Canadians. Every competition is close. That's what happened tonight.’” (x)

On the night of the 1998 Olympics free dance, Grishuk wrote this:

“Torvill and Dean’s Bolero in 1984 was the best ever, but I think you’ll all like our Memoriam tonight. It is about artists, many of them skaters, who lost their lives in recent years. It is very moving. Evgeny and I get along well most of the time. He says I am half crazy and that I drive him full crazy. Maybe that’s why he hit me with a hockey stick once.

I thought about filing for a restraining order against him, but somebody, probably our coach, pointed out that we might have trouble practicing together if he had to stay 100 yards away from me at all times.” (x)

Grishuk claimed Platov hit her with a hockey stick and she almost filed a restraining order against him. Apparently she has also said Platov beat her all 10 years they skated together and she called the cops on him claiming he beat her, but then they found she just had a minor lip wound and all the witnesses at the rink said he accidentally pushed her and she fell on the ice.

Grishuk/Platov won the 1998 Olympics in February. Krylova/Ovysannikov won silver. Anissina/Peizerat won bronze. Bourne/Kraatz came in 4th place.

On the podium when they got the gold medal, Platov said that Grishuk told him he was only responsible for 20% of their success. He says it in “The Dark Side of Skating: Maia, Evgeny, Pasha, & Sasha”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w227JiWLImM

After Grishuk/Platov won gold, silver medalist Krylova said that she thinks the public liked Krylova/Ovysannikov better:

“All I can say is the public liked us better. I think we had a better program overall.” (x)

4th place finisher, Shae-Lynn Bourne, thought the results were a joke:

“‘I think we skated like champions tonight. . . . I really believe we could have been at the top.’

‘The Olympics are all about survival of the fittest. It's about true games and sport,’ Bourne said. ‘That's not what ice dancing is right now. It's all about off the ice.’

Bourne and Kraatz were assigned fourth place after Friday's compulsory dances, and remained there through Sunday's original dance and Monday's free dance competitions--even though the judges rated their free dance superior to bronze medalists Marina Anissina and Gwendal Peizerat, by a vote of 5-4.

Bourne and Kraatz dressed in green and white for their free dance, instead of traditional Canadian red, possibly in an attempt to fool the judges. They performed to ‘Riverdance’--or, as one rinkside reporter quipped, ‘The Judges Sold Us Down the Riverdance.’

‘It's funny,’ Bourne said. ‘You would think I'd be real upset, but I don't feel awful at all. . . . I look at it as more of a joke than anything. You've just got to look at it, laugh at it and get past it.’

Can anything be done to alter the system?

‘We're talking about it. That's all we can do,’ Bourne said.

‘People now know a little more about what's going on. The media are talking about it, the skaters are talking about it. It's like an explosion about to happen.’

‘It's coming to head. Maybe it will bust wide open and bring about a change.’” (x)

Dubova trashed her former pupils, Grishuk/Platov, saying they regressed without her and can’t do what her current pupils Bourne/Kraatz can:

“Natalia Dubova, former coach of Grishuk and Platov, currently employed to train Bourne and her partner, Victor Kraatz: ‘All of us remember what [Jayne] Torvill and [Christopher] Dean did to improve our sport, how many steps they brought up the sport. I always ask myself, ‘What have Grishuk and Platov done for the sport?’ For me, they don't bring the sport up.’

And more from Dubova: ‘Grishuk and Platov, I teach them so many things, and they don't use any of it. I teach them for so many years, and they can do so much more. What they have now, is just a funny program.’

And more from Dubova still: ‘They have not improved, they are just more experienced. They are tired. They cannot do this work that Bourne and Kraatz do, they can only do these simple things.’

‘Grishuk and Platov, their music must be much louder and stronger. They need the music to help them. Bourne and Kraatz, the music and the skating are together, like a package.’

Even long-time coach Dubova concedes that ‘Ice dancing is not a sport. Something must be done. It's impossible anymore. When five of them are from the East bloc, it is easy for them to work together.’” (x)

Grishuk said that she believes they have pushed the sport:

“‘We brought the sport back,’ Grishuk said. ‘We did it. When people were saying the ice dancing does not belong in the Olympics, that it is not a sport, that it is like ballroom dancing, we tried to improve the sport and make it look very interesting, very exciting and difficult. . . .’

‘In my opinion, and in the opinion of a lot of people who were telling us this, we really developed the sport and make it look like a real sport. We brought a lot of new movements into ice dancing, things nobody else ever did before.’

‘We make the sport happen, and we make the sport continue.’” (x)

In 2012, Grishuk said she actually considered going for another Olympics, but she knew Platov’s knees wouldn’t be able to handle it, so she retired from amateur skating:

“They won countless Grand Prix events, four World Championships, three European titles and two Olympics. She considered another Olympic run but retired knowing Platov’s knees couldn’t hold up for another four-year cycle.

‘I felt thankful and blessed that he agreed (to compete through 1998) and that I was able to do the most passionate thing in my life,’ she said. ‘We were considered an ‘unbeatable’ team.’” (x)

After 1998 Worlds in March, Navka and Morozov ended their partnership. Morozov tried skating with another partner for 3 months, but retired. He became an assistant coach to Tatiana Tarasova.

In professional skating, there was a partner swap. The new partnerships were Usova/Platov and Grishuk/Zhulin.

Grishuk claims Platov dumped her in the summer with no explanation:

“Evgeny? That's a different story. I suspected there were problems, like the time he hit me with a hockey stick. But I thought we would be a team forever. Then he dumped me this summer with no explanation. Maybe it's like he used to say, that I am half crazy and that I drive him full crazy.” (x)

According to Elena Vaitsehovskaya’s book, Platov dumped Grishuk for Usova because he found out that Grishuk was just using him in ice shows, so that she could have a big Hollywood career. Grishuk has said multiple times that she wanted to break into Hollywood and win an Oscar. John Frankenheimer actually wrote a part for her in “Ronin”, a Robert DeNiro movie, but she couldn’t do it because of the 1998 Olympics, so it went to Katarina Witt instead. Grishuk was supposed to play a figure skater who is the girlfriend of a Russian mobster and is shot to death on the ice.

Platov in “The Dark Side of Skating” also said that he was so happy when Grishuk and Zhulin teamed up because it was his chance to get revenge.

Usova/Platov beat Grishuk/Zhulin to win the 1998 World Professional Championships.

Usova said that Zhulin beat her all 18 years they skated together and that when she made a mistake while skating with Platov she would always panic and prepare to be hit, but Platov was so nice and kind to her.

Platov was IN LOVE with Usova. Look what he said about her in 1999:

"Maia was an amazing partner - hardworking and most importantly not scandalous since I sure had enough with Grishuk. I was very flattered to have besides me not only famous and talented but beautiful woman. Maia is one of the most feminine and graceful skaters. Time (as in age) can’t do anything to her.”

Usova said Platov was in love with her and TAT (TAT coached her and Platov in professional skating) and her mom wanted her to date Platov, but she could never fall in love with Platov no matter how hard she tried.

In a 2009 interview, Usova said that she should have ended her partnership with Zhulin and teamed up with Platov in amateur skating:

“After you and Alexander Zhulin finished skating as amateurs, I often thought that your career was very cruel, so to speak. You worked toward that Olympic gold medal for so long, you sacrificed so much to it – and then you lost. How do you look at it?

I certainly don’t consider it senseless. I’ve been thinking lately about how everything the person goes through is predetermined from above. Sasha and I are still remembered, loved, and I am often reassured that in many people’s thinking our sports rating is far higher than some of those have become Olympic champions. The only mistake, and it is purely my mistake, was remaining with my partner after our family fell apart. It could have all been different then…

What do you mean?

My career. I should not have held on to my relationship with Zhulin. I should have partnered with Platov there and then. At one time, our coach Natalya Dubova threw Oksana Gritschuk out of her group precisely for personal reasons. Dubova really loved me, and wanted to thus clear my and Zhulin’s path to medals, so to speak. I just didn’t find the strength to tell my coach that it wasn’t about Gritschuk, but about the relationship that has become unbearable for me. However, after what Dubova did, I just couldn’t stab her in the back by quitting the team. Had I done it, though, it is entirely possible that Platov and I could have had our results in the amateur sport, not in the professional which we ultimately did.” (x)

Platov has said that he suspected Grishuk was mentally ill because she had a paranoia that everyone wants to hurt her and during one of her panic attacks the only way to get sense into her was to shake her shoulders with might and she picked his leg with her skates, so he has holes in his training pants because of this.

Navka teamed up with Roman Kostomarov. They were coached by Linichuk and competed together during the 1998-1999 season. After placing 12th at the 1999 World Championships, Linichuk dissolved the team and paired Kostomarov with Anna Semenovich.

Linichuk actually claimed in an interview after 2003 Worlds that she had to work hard to convince Kostomarov to agree to partner with Navka:

Q: Your former students Tatyana Navka and Roman Kostomarov are progressing, they took second at the Grand Prix Final and nearly bronze at worlds. Are you surprised?

A: “When I created this pair, Roman was categorically opposed to skating with Tanya. He thought he neated a more lively, quick partner and a bit smaller in size. It was so much labor to convince him. It seems, I didn’t try for nothing.” (x)

Krylova/Ovsyannikov win 1999 Worlds. They planned to compete the next season and even had programs and costumes prepared, but doctors advised Krylova to retire due to a risk of paralysis stemming from her back problems. Krylova suggested Ovsyannikov team up with another skater, so he could still compete, but he declined. After a year Krylova grew more confident and they competed in professional skating, since it was less demanding on the body.

Zhulin went back to Grishuk briefly before getting married to Navka in 2000.

Navka and Zhulin’s daughter Sasha was born in May 2000. Navka took the year off from competition.

In mid-2000, Kostomarov called Navka and asked to skate with her again. She agreed and the were coached by her husband, Zhulin.

Bourne/Kraatz changed coaches from Dubova to Tatiana Tarasova and Nikolai Morozov in 2000.

Dubova, who previously trashed Anissina/Peizerat back when they were her former pupils’ Bourne/Kraatz’s rivals, became a consultant and choreographer for Anissina/Peizerat during the 2001-2002 season.

Marina Anissina/Gwendal Peizerat win the 2002 Olympics, coached by Muriel Zazoui and choreographed by Natalia Dubova and then retire from amateur skating. Ilia Averbukh, Anissina’s former partner, and Irina Lobacheva, coached by Natalia Linichuk, win silver. Barbara Fusar-Poli/Maurizio Margaglio, coached by Paola Mezzadri, win bronze. Shae-Lynn Bourne/Victor Kraatz, coached by Tatiana Tarasova and Nikolai Morozov come in 4th.

Usova and Platov were assistant coaches to Tatiana Tarasova from 2002-2004.

Linichuk said in an interview that she believed Lobacheva/Averbukh should have won 2003 Worlds and that Bourne/Kraatz won because the judges pitied them for competing so long, but never becoming champions:

Q: Natalya, what do you think of the new system in which 5 judges of fourteen are absolutely not included and the judges give their marks anonymously?

A: “I’ve noticed that the judges’ posture is better, they are not afraid to show their opinion. Maybe this system isn’t ideal, but it’s working. Before the worlds, nothing criminal happened. But in Washington, a portion of the judges gave Bourne and Kraatz a gift for long patience. These skaters were in the world elite for many years, but were never champions. SO they pitied them. By the way, if you add all 14 marks, Lobacheva and Averbukh would have been first. I think their free dance in rock and roll style looked more winning.” (x)

In the same interview, Linichuk also said that she had repaired her relationship with Grishuk who was once again Oksana instead of Pasha:

Q: Do you associate with Oksana Grishuk anymore?

A: “Why not? She had a daughter recently, she calls about every three weeks from Los Angeles. She sent pictures of her daughter, Grace Skyler. The baby has SUCH cheeks! Oksana says she is happy. She wanted to try herself out in Hollywood, but that didn’t turn out so far. By the way you’re right, now she’s not Pasha but Oksana. As before. She thought up Pasha for Hollywood.”

Q: They said you sued her for money. What happened? Did she pay you?

A: “According to our contract, a portion of the prize money for Grishuk and Platov was to go to us as payment. IN America you don’t have to stamp it – just signatures of both parites is enough. When Grishuk and Platov went to Tarasova, they forgot us.”

Q: And after that you still associate with them!

A: “Of course, it’s unpleasant to sue your students, but… I know Oksana since she was 12, Zhenya a bit less. There is so much connected with them. They left me for Dubova, then returned. I made them the best pair in the world. You never forget the best. Recently Platov decided to be a coach – he works with the Israelis Galit Chait and Sergei Sakhonovski. Zhenya came up to me, asked for advice. I see that he was listening to my recommendations.” (x)

Bourne/Kraatz win the 2003 World Championships with Morozov as their sole coach, since Morozov had left TAT to coach and choreograph on his own. Shae-Lynn Bourne was dating Nikolai Morozov and they got married in 2005 and divorced in 2007. Shae-Lynn and Victor fell out because Shae-Lynn wanted to do show skating, but Victor still wanted to be a competitive skater. Shae-Lynn started doing ice shows by herself. They didn’t reconnect until 2008.

In the fall of 2005, Platov joined Zhulin as a coach at Floyd Hall in New Jersey. They coached Navka/Kostomarov to the 2006 Olympic gold medal:

“‘This is why we have teamed up,’ Platov said of his professional relationship with Zhulin. ‘We want to start an ice-dancing school here that will bring attention all over the world. We are very well known and among the most decorated people in the world because of our winnings in the Olympics and in the World Championships. We will organize a school, one of the greatest dance schools in the world.’” (x)

Zhulin said of the coaching partnership:

“‘I work alone,’ said Zhulin, ‘and I never collaborate because I like to feel responsible for everything.’ At least until Platov came calling.

‘When Evgeni first approached, I was hesitant. I said, ‘Okay, we'll give it a few weeks and see how it goes. Amazingly, we worked perfectly together. Such good work, and no arguments. He is, after all, one of the best technical skaters in the world - that's why I lost the Olympics to him.’

Zhulin says he believes if the situation had been reversed, ‘Evgeni would have done the same for me. It's about respect, and we have that respect for each other.’” (x)

After 2006, Platov coached on his own in New Jersey and Zhulin moved back to Russia to coach.

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