#for ivan tho

[dreadark]

that ivan loves till is the most obvious thing about them

but. does ivan know that…?

the ivan that regards his own feelings as shallow, the ivan that learned how emotions are expressed only from copying others… does he even know that the love he’s felt for so long is love? probably not. and part of the reason is the one he loves himself

because the easiest example he has of love is till's feelings to mizi. till outright calls it love, and ivan watches him so much he has to be aware of this and till’s love to mizi is totally unselfish, right. he doesn’t seem to actually want much from her—just that she's still there and still "mizi"

but ivan can't be satisfied with just watching he… wants. ivan wants till’s attention, till’s affection—

surely this selfish wanting can’t be love

...no wonder he was never able to express his feelings straightforwardly when he belittles them so much but he can’t stand not having anything either, so he does… whatever he does instead to get any scraps of attention he can, from someone he's convinced doesn't care about him at all only showing affection when till can't see it, right until he knows he's going to die

but ivan's feelings for till are all he still has of himself... to think of them as shallow...

I've seen this translated as "I should've been kinder" to him (till) or to her (sua)

but really, the one he should've been kinder to was himself

#alien stage #alnst #alnst ivan #ivantill #i have a lot of thoughts on till -> mizi too but this is long enough #just attempting to rewrite my twt rambles more coherently #idk why i wrote this so dramatically tho... #'thank you for being the victim of my shallow emotions' is going to haunt me to my grave #ivan's character is just a careful balance between his natural freak nature and his extreme depths of self-loathing #making him the most miserable guy ever #...really once you realize so much of what went wrong is thanks to ivan just hating himself too much to even think of them as friends. well #c...can we bring him back... don't die like this..... #(also you know. with the implications of how 'pets' are treated #wanting someone physically must feel... even more wrong

[rebouks]

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Ivan: If y'don't get that thing outta my face I'mma smash the fuck outta yours. Oscar: C'monnn you haven't eaten all day. Ivan: I ain't fuckin' hungry!

#ts4 #sims 4 #simblr #ts4 story #sims story #forever in between #fib #oscar finch #ivan harper #sdkjdkjs ivan's SO salty atp n oscar's just like.. #A DOUGHNUT WILL FIX IT #✨🍩✨ #worst road trip partner ever #well.. for some people lmao #i'd personally love to ruin my ears. sleep. eat doughnuts and vape incessantly on a road trip 🤷‍♀️ #ALSO.. rebouks map lore ig? #but i like to imagine all the bay is spread out along the coast like the bay copperdale evergreen harbor and san sequoia etc #with the city n shit off to the left #n going up into the forests behind the bay like moonwood mill n granite falls etc #then up into the ridges like strangerville/chestnut ridge #n dropping down on the other side into like oasis springs #maybe del sol is kinda off that way too but more to the left #prolly doesn't make much sense without a map tho 🤔 #but i'm lazy n don't like shoehorning myself into a corner with that shit cos it usually barely matters n can change with new worlds etc #NEWAY #ted talk over #✌

[axeleous]

Vivinos after killing off Ivan:

#alien stage #alnst #alnst ivan #alien stage ivan #alien stage round 6 #no hate to vivinos here tho been a fan even before alnst but i thought it was funny #vivinos #my art

[tetrakarn]

pulling myself briefly out of the depression pit to say i don't think it's fair to say ivan is outright violent towards till or shows his affection through violence bc in every piece of media that shows them fighting ( that i can find at least ) till always turns things physical first

not that ivan doesn't instigate by doing or saying things that might provoke him ( intentionally or otherwise ) but aside from touching till's injury in one of the r6 flashbacks he doesn't seem to be physically hurting him for attention. i think the fight scene in r6 is also the only time we've even seen him retaliate

#alien stage #i'm not saying this is like a moral failing on till's part #i don't think he's like bad or anything bc he lashes out #like we've seen what this kid's childhood was like #what his adult life is CURRENTLY still like #and i'm also not saying ivan is blameless in their fights #but people saying till doesn't like him bc he's violent and reminds him of his abuse is very........ it feels incorrect #i don't think painting ivan as an abuser especially as a child is right #ivan instigates bc he wants attention #and till gets mad bc lashing out at things bothering you is probably how he was treated #they're both going through it man can we cut the kids a little slack #that cafeteria flashback was fucking weird tho i can't defend you on that one ivan

[wodimewoahtime]

IVAN!!!!! YOURE SUPPOSED TO HAVE YOUR NAME ON YOUR NAMETAG!!!!!!!! does this mean that his full name is ivan "yaoi" counter like cmon man

#i dont care that he looks good he looks like a starbucks barista #(cares very much) #I HATEEEEEE THIS FREAKKKKKKKK #im also a liar im not sorry tho #gah #he looks too good in glasses...... we should just smash them #why is a guy with a face that good simply working at the counter instead of being a server!!!! geez!!!!!!! #why is he looking at us like we're till #leave those bedroom eyes for the bedroom!!! #ALSO I SEE THOSE FOREARMS!!!!!! SLUT!!!!!!! #alnst ivan #alnst #alien stage #cafe collab #alnst official art

[speechifying-by-the-stone]

these two and their dynamic are distracting me

#the brothers karamazov #dostoevsky #ivan karamazov #smerdyakov #stinkey paul and johnny johnny #that chapter is legit so creepy tho #brothers karamazov religious horror style adaptation when

[crepegosette]

does

does anyone remember cardverse

#with some creative liberties because i find ivan's canon outfit kinda ugly tbh #also i don't know how to draw kisses so #roll with what we have #hetalia #hetalia world stars #aph america #aph russia #hws america #hws russia #hetalia america #hetalia russia #rusame #amerus #cardverse #hetalia fanart #my art #the context here: idk they're probably forbidden lovers or something #since their kingdoms r probably in clash #feel free to make your own interpretation tho im bad with ideas

[iunsei]

goodbye

#q #ivan #alien stage #hello tumblr i'm sorry i cheated on you for 3 years #first post to my redemption arc will be my sad sad son #dw ivan i will love you instead of till #he will hate me tho #iunart

[astranauticus]

a helpful graphic

+ one more entry i have in the black/white doomed yaoi category (and also an orv spoiler)

#orv #joongdok #lc #sgdlr #shiguang #alnst #ivantill #vnc #vanoe #yes i reused that joongdok/shiguang joke. what are you gonna do. sue me #the they should be at the club is a reference to like. cxs is 21 and i think ivan's 22? #both kdj and yjh are 28 they should be getting 8 hours of sleep. (???? #not even joking halfway through making this zero by lmyk came up on my spotify #as in. the vnc ed that i got that exact image from #if you wanna be a pedant i think vnc is more doomed yaoi than tragic yaoi tho cuz we just know noe's gonna kill vanitas but we havent #gotten?? there???? yet?????? #i love how much that sounds like a spoiler its literally the first thing he says in the fucking show LMAO #asto speaks #in a better timeline i wouldve typed this out instead of writing it by hand

[liquidstar]

ok alien stage fans dont hate me for what im about to say im just throwing the IDEA out there okay. but just listen

you know how we have these two promo images of ivan and till?

("observation" and "decision" by vivinos)

paralleling their young selves and their current selves. young ivan sits with till and happily watches him sing, older ivan stares more seriously at till as they're about to enter the contest, having just made some sort of decision (we don't know what exactly that means yet. to lose? to not compete? to tie? to... win? given his convo with sua that might be the "nicer" option in his mind)

and now the promo art for round 6 dropped, "cure"

its OBVIOUSLY playing on paralleling these shots again. this time it seems to be after till got punished and is asleep or unconscious (or maybe he just has his eyes closed, but i dont think hes awake- he's not the type to be so chill about the face touching)

what if... its also meant to parallel a "future" shot? just like the previous two?

if till ends up dying this round (SAD!) we could end up seeing the second half of it. with ivan's hand on till's corpse. but this is pure conjecture, not super likely. im just saying is all.

#one of the things that made me think this is that ''cure'' isnt a perfect parallel the way the other two are of each other #mostly in the way till is posed with his hair falling back and eyes and mouth closed #in the other two it seems a point to have all these aspects the same in both versions of him (ivan is the one whose expression change tho) #but its still CLEARLY playing off the same concept. so maybe it also has a ''twin''.... #if it does happen ill put my head through a wall though for putting the possibility out there #but i dont think its likely its just a concept i thought of when i saw the art and thought of the other art lol #is IS called cure though. maybe till does die but is resuscitated somehow who knows #aliens probably have good medical tech that hyuna stole #also ''cure'' has the red show in ivan's eye while the others dont. inch resting. #i love when the red shows you can really see the ''camera'' inspo lol #alien stage

[pr0cyon-lotor]

Woah crazy that this happened in Round 6

#i just wanted to draw the meme with them #but I ended up putting too much effort into it #it looks good tho #alien stage #alnst #ivantill #ivan alien stage #till alien stage #alnst ivan #alnst till #my art

[dreadark]

shoutout to this random guy who had to just mind his own business while ivan was right next to him licking the blood from till's cheek

#alien stage #why did he do that. #actually an answer: #i somehow didn't notice till was crying in this scene before #so this was actually ivan trying to cheer him up in his own weird way... #or rather... distract him? unsettle him enough to snap out of it? something like that #and hey he manages. eventually #can't even make joke posts here damn you ivantill #tho he is also just. like that. don’t get me wrong. #alnst

[rebouks]

Camping outtakes.. 🌲

#ts4 #sims 4 #simblr #fib #fib extras #oscar #courtney #robin #wren #byrd #ava #ivan #some shots i didn't end up using since they're off home #;-; #i swear bruno and pixie were around kdjsdk #they kept disappearing into tents instead of hanging out tho lmao

[palilious]

Take Your Daughter to Work Day @escapedaudios

#whats up escaped fandom im back #new episode today! #neon barbarian is such a fun series and its kind of funny to see it take such a domestic turn #hey im here for it tho #also Ivan's birds Purple and Fish were a suggestion from me lol #i decided that his kid named them but kids are really bad at naming #i love ivan dearly #oc #art #originalcharacter #originalartwork #sketch #character design #doodle #escaped audios #escaped neon barbarian #pali draws escaped audios

[mizi-sua]

the latest comic has to be my favorite one yet. i was begging for ivansua crumbs and got a feast. they knew!! they knew of each other‘s dark sides!!!

ivan is obviously projecting onto sua HARD and it's not the first time we see him criticize her way of doing things.

the other time was when he told her that they both know the effort she puts in getting good grades is "meaningless" which already implied that he saw through her intentions all along, because why bother studying if she wanted to die for mizi to begin with?

I think the reason ivan is so cruel to sua specifically besides his self hatred/him seeing himself in her is envy. the major difference between him and sua is that what ivan and till have will never be on par with what mizi and sua have, so even if ivan were to sacrifice himself now, he'd be closer to ending up as "mere trauma" to till than sua to mizi. sua is mizi's universe, her god and vice versa so her "miserable" and "pitiful" actions will bear so much more meaning than his' since till doesn't see ivan as such. (i also think what ivan said to sua was only half correct cause while sua's death has been extremely traumatic for mizi i'm convinced it is that what will drive her to keep going and it'll be shown in the future.)

anyways to make matters worse, ivan has already risked it all for till and him to escape together once which didn't work out. it might explain why he absolutely detests the idea of sua's self sacrifice. it is selfish and leaves the other person scarred, you’re essentially dumping your burdens on them and running away from responsibility. ivan knows and says this but he's considered it before as well which makes him look hypocritical. so he vents his own frustrations out on sua who's- according to him- just as twisted. but he’s probably much more twisted than she is because at the end sua didn’t even grace him with an answer. as observant as she is, she has never once thought about being similar to him.

#their dynamic is everything #ivan was so mean tho #imagine minding ur business and some guy starts psychoanalyzing u out of nowhere. girl #also finally the direct confirmation that sua DID sacrifice herself im going insane #dumping all this here cause twt character limit is killing me #alien stage #alien stage sua #alien stage ivan #alnst

[wodimewoahtime]

hey till...... don't you have just a little too much tsundere "i'm not gay" yaoi protag power???? why are you attracting these guys like a hamster to the shredder

#what is this..... both the male leads are troublesome guys......... #till why are you attracting guys with bad personality's!!!!! #QMENG GIVING LUKA A NOSEBLEED AT CATBOY TILL IS INSANE THO #on that one you can't even deny it cmon #it's cute when it's actor au 2 younger idols pursuing their actor sumbae #but doesn't it also have a taste when the 30 year old famous perfect guy celebrity yandere ceo ends up gaining an interest #in the 21year old young college student till???? #and he's roommates with his 22yo childhood friend ivan (super popular) who's been in love with him since they first met #hey wait..... doesn't this make ivan the second male lead........ #will this guy ever win....... #hey!!! cheer up ivan!!!!!! #personally at least!!!! i've always liked the second male leads the most!!!!!!! (pain) #ivantill #tilluka #is that its ship name? #ivantilluka #kdrama ass shit #till alnst #ivan alnst #luka alnst #alnst #alien stage #alnst official art #i'm normal