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Who inverted in the comic and who overembraced? This is really interesting.

oh man a list of everyone? oh boy lol

I dont think I can list everything AND explain why in detail all in one post, but I can at least make a basic list of my thoughts roughly in order

so in the first four acts of the comic roughly, there was Alpha Jade who wandered near the path of inverting to a Seer of Time, but snapped out of that when she saw a dead dave in her googles

there was Jadesprite who had become comfortable with nonexistence/death being suddenly brought back to life and Inverting because of her situation

then later incomic Grimbark Jade I would say with our new knowledge of what things are Time and what things are Space is probably that Grimbark Jade was overembracing (Space as bigger picture thinking/not worried about details/patience focused ie “playing the long con” = GrimBark Jade as wanting to go through with the plan of Dave killing LE with the cueball and not explaining anything just wanting it done, her being patient but threatening with Roxy getting her to make the matriorb etc things like that)

Rose obviously spent a lot of time falling in the beginning, and then made a big splash inverting when she went grimdark. later in the comic she become more balanced, more okay with not having all the answers or the answers that she “wants”, still dipping now and again but nothing too bad

Dave overall at the beginning was alright, Davesprite however was I believe heavily inverted throughout most of his existence (and then later finding some happiness as an existence in Davepeta, but I also consider that partly him “giving up” at being “Dave” in general so ymmv)

Dave himself foundered here and there in parts, but I wouldn’t say he ever got as bad as even John in the ship, his path was mostly “maaaan why do *I* have to be the guy who does things all the time, like yes like I’m good at Time, but can’t somebody else be good at Time too? Give me a break” like his situation was trying to set him up to overembrace and do everything himself but he was actively trying to avoid that, so it sort of ended up evening itself out in a comfortable balance kind of way

John has, obviously, the Prospit ship, but other than that one bad situation he found himself in was otherwise actually pretty alright in his role

as for Alpha kids, Jane was somewhat similar to Rose in that she had a lot of buildup for going down a dark inverty path at the beginning, it kind of came to a semi head under Caliborn’s mockery of her, then she stuffed it down until Crocker!Jane happened and let it all out

Dirk and ARr have an interesting situation where one was an overembracer while one was an inverter, and they kinda push eachother away from themselves as they both attempt to distance themselves from eachother, in some ways both versions of Dirk are trying simultaneously to be “less like “Dirk” ” and “more like themselves (who is Dirk)” in varying ways throughout the comic, so they both show signs here and there of flip flopping between those two states, overall though I think Dirk was more likely to overembrace at the start and invert near the end, while AR was more like to invert near the beginning and overembrace near the end

Roxy of all the kids was actually the most straightforward in her path, even moreso than John, she never really wandered from the straight and narrow, even when her vices came to a head or when she stumbled a bit she didnt let it overwhelm her, but shook herself off and straightened herself out and kept on trucking

and then Jake was fairly alright, but I do think a lot of his bravado at the beginning was maybe him trying to cover up that he didn’t really feel like a valuable contributor/part of the rest of the team, which is probably why he seemed to fall easily into place whenever Dirk stepped up tor try and take the reigns of any situation they were a part of in the beginning. Jake always did seem more comfortable leaving difficult situations in the hands of other people rather than deal with things honestly and thats probably because of his own perspective that he wasnt able to handle those things

and then when Aranea did her thing with him, technically during his giant hopey ball thing you could consider that “environmental factors forcing him to act overembracey” but I dont think it really counts cuz it wasnt of his own free will at all

and then for the trolls, most notable examples of either inversion or overembracing were:

Aradia as inverting while still a ghost/dead aka before god tier

Vriska as HEAVILY overembracing to the point of being poster child, while (Vriska) or punk Vriska/Ghost Vriska going the extreme other direction of inverting for a bit

Terezi at the super beginning you could say was more likely to overembrace (mostly because of Vriska influence probably), then mellowed out a bit, but then far later her relationship with Gamzee caused her to somewhat invert

Gamzee, did make drastic personality flips over the course of the comic, but he’s an ambiguous character and thats overshadowed by things like his personal Loyalty to LE and Lil Cal, I’ll give him that. But, overall, he did decide that what he wanted was the same thing as what LE wanted, he decided he was going to become his own god/s, and he sort of suceeded at that, and everytime, when it came to a head between what he wanted and what other people wanted, Gamzee did what he wanted every time (because he wanted what LE wanted which he understood as things that he himself wanted, because he knew he was going to become LE) so I would consider that a tendency for overembracing overall, with the slight exception of the beginning of the comic where he was a complete sopored up pushover

Eridan you could consider was a straightforward example of of overembracer in the same vein of Aranea later on, where he decided on a plan of action/his own beliefs, didn’t let anything or anyone else come into his consideration, and ended up having that plan blow up in his face

Tavros has a notable mention of as a ghost with Vriska dipping slightly into inversion but it never really came to a head/amounted to much

then the other trolls are more like, Equius was submissive, but he *wanted* to be that way, but he didnt do anything at anyone elses expense really, so he didnt invert or overembrace

Kanaya like Roxy was fairly steady in her role overall, and more rose to occasion whenever she was needed

Nepeta didnt really get much either way and neither Sollux

and while I definitely agree Karkat had some up and downs with his own self worth, neither were really that extreme, I think he did end up coming out on top with a better understanding of his role at the end of the day

and of the older trolls, the only notable example out of any of them inverting or overembracing wise was Aranea for overembracing, for already spoken about reasons

Meenah was a notable character, but again, was one of those that stayed fairly steady in their path without really trampling others’ wills

then finally cherubs

of course Caliborn/LE is THE poster child for overembracing as a universal concept far greater than even Vriska

Calliope, especially when dead, fell more into a situation where if she had been left in it, she would have bent towards one of the extremes overtime, probably inversion, but overall in the comic was a great example of someone who found more of a balance in her role overall

and then Alt!Calliope was, again, now knowing a better understanding of Space as patience and broad thinking versus Time as impatience and details focused (unlike before where I had those parts actually switched) I now understand her as someone who’s situation forced them to overembrace their talents, to become like Caliborn and his overembracing ideals in order to survive, to think only of themselves and nothing else in order to continue existing at all and find a way to claw themselves out/be able to do something

thats about that roughly

#Homestuck #Inversion

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history of homestuck (not mine)

John lives in a house in a suburb filled with houses by a lake and its *beautiful!!* In the year negative a billion– John might not have been here. In the year negative 40000 he still wasnt here, but his ancestors were. So was betty crocker. But she sucks. Then time passed and time shit happened and now theres lots of ~kids~ Because it’s normal. Ding dong, it’s gamebro magazine and they have important news. Like really shitty reviews. And a game called ~sburb~ Now everyone has heard about sburb. That means if you own sburb then you can play the game, which is what everyone needs to *survive.* So that makes you important. Sburb hosts and server players spread all across the land and all the way to here. [points to america] The most important players were here, here, here, and here. But this one was the most most important started by John, or the heir of breath. Then the world started being destroyed by meteors. John made some changes, like getting into the game, and making the others more like his game, which was a game that got people into the game. “Hey random person!” Said john. “HEY DIPSHIT.” said a troll. “Can you call me something other than dipshit?” said John. “LIKE WHAT?” said the troll. “How about John Egbert?” Said john. And they got trolled by some trolls and wrote a guide. About themselves. And then they made a bunch of items and some more game dvds. Then they stopped changing povs every time a character did something and stayed with one person for a while, with Rose. And they got Dave in finally, lets get that squared away. A weird hipster named Vriska is bored of the slow playing and talks to John who begins to trust her which causes ~shipping~ Leaves and comes back causing John to be ~great~ for a while. And the game became a little easier so John didn’t give a shit about the chance of dying So if you do care about your fragile morality how are you supposed to protect your ass from Imps? ~Ascend to God Tier~ Everyone started focusing on going god tier. -People who got to quest bed went god tier. People who did not get to quest bed did not go god tier. God tiers became powerful and everyone wanted to become god tier. But the game didn’t care and killed them anyways. They let the kids go god tier but the game was actually still in control. Breaking news, Jack Noir has invaded the troll session. “I have invaded the troll session.” Said jack noir. “Please respect me or else I might kill you as well.” “Okay.” say the beta kids. [pulling out their weapons.] The trolls tried to run away and got killed by jack noir. But the kids were upset and got ready for battle and had a nice time fighting but then died to jack noir. Then the game kills John, but john comes back to life and wanders around skaia and meets WV. And John can stay alive a little longer, if he wants that’s fine. ~Now theres more trolls~ Like humans but grey and with horns, symbols, coolorful blood, quirks, ocs, and buckets. It’s time for who’s going to be the next leader. Sollux wanted it to be terezi, but terezi didn’t want to lead. So he tries to get someone else to be the leader of the red team, but no one wants to. So who’s it gonna be? Vote now on your husktops. And everyone voted so hard Karkat got angry and started yelling. Sollux actually didn’t care, he didnt want to play anymore anyways. And the entire game broke into pieces. Karkat became leader and the game was ok for a short period. Knock knock. It’s Vriska. No, she doesnt want to take over, she just wants to be a hero. By creating Jack noir. And killing Tavros. So that’s great. But everyone is still fighting each other. Now with Gamzee! Wouldn’t it be nice to be safe for once, with no one out to kill you? This troll (Eridan) Kills Feferi and Kanaya, but is then chainsawed in half by a vampire who came back to life. Surprise surprise, Gamzee’s on a murderous rampage. On that rampage, one troll named Equius gets killed and Nepeta is upset. Who also gets killed. Vriska is just about to go fight jack noir but he kills everyone else, so Terezi uses her seer powers to kill her and keep this from happening. And then she felt really really bad. “We are going to breed frogs and hopefully win the game” said Dave who tried but jack noir came and he died. But before he died his past self became his sprite and was now hanging out with his bro until jack noir came again. And jack noir was like “yeah right, it’s not gonna be a happy ending, you’re gonna die. Cuz I’m angry.” And so he killed Bro and almost Davesprite, who had his wing cut off and somehow bleeds despite being a sprite. A lot of people hate Jack, but Jade was just kinda ok with him. Someone comes and kills jade, and jack gets mad. Jack kills him, but jade is still dead. ~Cascade~ And Jack takes Jade to the quest bed to go dog tier and save everyone’s life. But don’t get confused, Dave and Rose set off the tumor. And they died on their quest bed and ascended in the green sun with Aradia and Sollux who were also there. PM got a ring and looked just like jack. Except for the whole black and white thing, but they were equal in every other way. Now that everyone’s going somewhere we change povs to the alpha kids. There was Jane, Roxy, Jake, and Dirk who were the “ancestors” of the beta kids. Except there was betty crocker, carapaces, sburb alpha, gcat, and looming death. They tried to play the game and failed miserably so Dirk had to save their asses. We’re talking time shenanigans on rocketboards while freestyling and jumping through portals to all meet up, maybe even sea hitler. Over time they met Caliborn and Calliope and met with the others and– Knock knock. It’s the Trickster Arc. With drugs. And candy. Drug candy. “Come, play with us. Stop, running away.” said the Tricksters. There was really nothing they could do so they got high on candy and got to their quest beds but then had a hangover and died in a fire. They ascended and got thrown in jail by jade and jane. “That sucks!” They said. “This sucks!!” And with help from John’s retcon powers they got out. And somehow Jake had an imaginary dirk and had a hope temper tantrum, which jade couldn’t do anything about. Then she got crushed by a falling tower. And everyone else finally caught up, and was like “oh no.” And then the becs caught up and everyone was like “Oh no.” And you know what else was bad? That’s right, Fish hitler. So what did she do? Join the party. The becs start to take jade from under the tower and start to fly away. And Dave rushes in out of nowhere and says “stop no you cant do that we were gonna heal her with Jane’s lifey powers to save her” and they fly away anyways with Dave in pursuit. Then, Terezi finds Gamzee and they talk about their feelings. Did I say talk? I meant kick each others asses. And Jake says “Can you maybe chill?” And Gamzee says “How bout maybe YOU chill?” John kinda hates Caliborn. You’ll never guess who kinda hates John. Caliborn! So John and Caliborn start fighting because they really hate each other. Feeling really confident, John beats the shit out of caliborn and then gets zapped away with retcon powers. ~It’s time for s game over~ Everyone’s about to die. Because Aranea decided to do something different and everyone’s freaking out and Fish Hitler is about to fucking kill everybody. Meanwhile, Gamzee is still kicking Terezi’s ass and Karkat is *ANGRY.* and the next thing he does is get stabbed in the gut by Gamzee and enrages Kanaya. Kanaya slices Gamzee in half, who still has this fucking codpiece, because he killed Karkat who was friends with Kanaya and Karkat wanted to save Terezi who was getting beat up by Gamzee because of a terrible Kismesis. Err, actually, it probably wasn’t a kismesis at all. And Kanaya had a chainsaw. So you know what that means, duhh. ~Meanwhile with Aranea~ Aranea tries to stab Jane, which she wanted to do anyways. So she sort of manipul8ed a sword her way, but then Jake blocked it! And then the sword stabbed Jane too because swords are long. Now Dave and the Becs are at Jade’s questbed and congratulations, becs, you dropped her there and are now going to fight Dave 2 on 1 with totally unfair odds all for something really stupid that really shouldn’t have happened. And yes, Dave ends up dying to both of them at once. And also Sea Hitler kills Kanaya with a laser of death which makes rose ~super pissed~ And she starts charging at condy who kills her with a trident. That was bad but Roxy saved her from complete obliteration with voidy powers so that’s ok I guess. Planets are thrown around and Condy chokes Aranea who is like “noo don’t do that its mean and i have the ring of life which means im not supposed to be able to die…” And Condy said ~“how bout I do, anyway?”~ And Condy flipped the ring off her finger, and everyone’s pretty much dead now. You’ve got mail! Its from Terezi, who somehow isnt dead. She wants John to fix everything and keep everyone from dying. This was also forwarded to Roxy. They all decided to because they were alive. ~It’s time for S collide~ Vriska is alive in the new timeline who talked to some kids, then some more kids, then some more more kids on how to fight and terezi has a mental br8kdown and sees other timelines and is like “holy shiiit” and she sees another vriska and terezi together because they are ~good friends~ and then the omegapause happened and everyone started crying because “homestuck isnt updating so i dont know what to do. Plus there’s undertale and thats pretty cool.” Suddenly there’s upd8s again and everyone starts fighting but with a little less death. Less death than any other big flash, ever. Somehow. But they still get their asses kicked, things look bad for them, but suddenly heir of grief and serenity happened and they started kicking ass. But then Dirk gets Dirkapitated in the fight by Dave and they use timey powers to get out alive. Jack’s head explodes. And then Roxy kills Condy and everyone’s really happy. And PM punches Jade in the face because she was upset. And she cuts off jacks arm after a literal eternity of being threatened. And she punches him in the face too. (you win) After all this shit Jade finally makes the universe frog with just enough ingredients for a ~whole new universe~ and everyone is happy and free in the new universe. And also not dead. They make can town and repopulate earth. But then again Vriska is still gone and no one knows where she is for some reason. ~~bye~~

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