#don’t come at me for being a Kinn apologist

[superlocktvd]

Kinn Theerapanyakul | Episode 10

I truly am so confused right now. I have read so many tweets and posts being boiled down to Kinn forgetting Pete but no reasoning behind it. How did the whole fandom collectively went to assume that what Kinn is forgetting is Pete? Why can’t it be Chay and Kim’s connection? Why can’t it be any of the 10 different things that happened in past few days?

We were given a scene where he had a word with Pete, quite literally telling him to get out and Pete being Confident. After the whole warehouse confrontation and the chat with his ‘uncle’, they truly believe Vegas is already on the run. Why on earth would then Kinn think that Pete is in trouble? 

THIS POST here provides the explanation, dear lord please read it and understand it.

Also somehow Kinn is forever at fault for some no matter what he does. The man is already handling the business he never wanted and everyone here wants him so precise, so calculative all the freaking time. Stop and think for a second. So many of them are coming at him, how did Tawan run for instance, I don’t know maybe because he let him, to see where he goes. Big and Kim reached there right.

The way some people are always at Kinn’s throat boggles my mind. He can never be right no matter what he does, if he gives Porsche trust then wrong, he doesn’t then wrong, spends time with Porsche then wrong, doesn’t spend time then wrong, makes an elaborative plan then wrong, doesn’t make a plan then wrong.

Do remember KINN is the boss, the only 3 people he has ever listened to are his 2 brothers and his father. Even with Porsche being in the picture what makes anybody think he needs to consult Porsche when making plans, he makes them executes them, always has, now he has to learn to involve another person which he tried when he came to the cell, mind you but again Porsche asked him to trust him and he mf did.

Kinn you looked like a million bucks this episode, and if I ever get caught on that that’s on me. You were smoking, and for something that grosses me out you look exceptional while doing so, so much so that I am having doubts seeing you smoke. Jesus Christ.

Kinn apologist and defender through and through. I am all for calling him out on what he might and has done wrong but doesn’t mean you wont see me understanding and explaining his mindset, intention or reasoning behind it. 

#kinnporsche #kinnporche the series #kinnporschetheseries #kinn x porsche #kinn theerapanyakul #kinn

[whyamistillwatchingtheseshows]

This is really long. I am not joking, but I couldn't stew in my incoherent thoughts any longer:

I wanted to express about how three episodes ago I was like “I’m a Kinn apologist now” and how I totally somehow understood his intentions…and how I might be a little like a Kinn with the NOT COMMUNICATING and the major TRUST issues. However, my soul has left my body and I am now and forever in Pete’s shoes. Don’t ask me to elaborate, I just am. However, that doesn’t mean I’m not paying attention to the story and KP itself. In fact, it was what I was consistently talking about up through episode 9. Basically, I was all in for KP and didn’t quite give any notice to Vegas (literally didn’t even bat an eyelash at him) and/or Pete for that matter. Did hold onto the assumption that there was always something about Pete and now here we are so sucked into the VegasPete vacuum that we’re choosing to live there.

Still unsure of what else the show could’ve been titled because I get it. It’s called KinnPorsche and so everyone wants the focus there, but coming from a Supernatural watcher who spent most of their days arguing why in the living freaking world did Sam and Dean Winchester have to do this alone? Why did the freaking story just have to be about them when SPN had such an elaborate world system with plenty of side A and side B characters that could’ve remained as part of the integrity of the show (aka as part of the Winchester family business)? Does that even make sense? I don't see why more characters can't surround the main characters of a story, unless you’ve written a one- or two-person theatre production.

However, such series or shows exist as ENSEMBLE casts. And now is there a hierarchy to an ensemble cast? Yes, and it’s all dependent on INDIVIDUAL story as well. Most importantly, the individual story must also serve the MAIN plot, or some circumstances within an episode (which the show 911 does a lot- it serves purposes through each episode while in the end culminating their character/family stories together). Take for instance, (going back to KinnPorsche) we know more truths about Vegas and we know Pete must go back to the main family at some point; thus, relatively speaking it SERVES the PLOT while the last two episodes have ALSO served as individual character “growth” for Vegas and Pete’s characters.

Now, are there decisions story and plot wise that you as the viewer will go WTF over? Of course! But there’s civil discourse and then there’s just being reactionary for reactionary’s sake (aka hate watching). For example, I kinda felt a bit meh when Porsche did the thing of listening in on Kinn (AGAIN) and assuming he is cheating. Also, Kinn still doing that thing where he can’t just speak about his feelings? Could he at this point, plainly tell the man flirting, yeah, um no can do, there’s someone. No names, of course. Just basically saying it won’t happen and technically in his position he need not divulge any more information to the man (and yes, this would be a plausible scenario but the show elected not to do that).

Which also leads me to the fact that Porsche is no longer supposed to be his bodyguard so he's acting as the protective (jealous) boyfriend (AGAIN). And if Kinn is still going to be in this job and Porsche doesn’t have any AUTHORITY (because he's no longer working for the family) then Kinn won’t or can’t tell him shit anything? It feels like a vicious cycle and at the end of it we see Kinn choosing Porsche, suggesting he could and would relinquish his title? But then we still have this matter concerning Porsche’s parents’ death and how that’ll cause yet another rift between KP? Which Kim be out there solving but also not telling anyone what he knows for some reason because he knows more than KP, right?

Meanwhile, Vegas is eventually confronted by his father (which will SUCK all of us, Vegas included out of the VegasPete vacuum) and somehow Pete will "escape" that vacuum. Pete has his struggles back at the main family compound and then we’ll go back inside the VP vacuum when we see both VegasPete actively choose one another (LIKE FOR REALLY REAL) somehow…?

Ironically, KP is also inside a vacuum, consumed by the overwhelming need to hold onto what they have, but there always seems to be obstacle after obstacle (which could be natural for relationships- those bumps in the road kind of thing, but this is on such a dramatic scale, these bumps). Also, inside this KP vacuum, I kinda went WTF at how easily Porsche was like sure give me your lucky gun, Kinn, I’m going to kill this man. Immediately knew it wouldn’t happen at all, regardless of a child showing up. But that moment did showcase just exactly HOW MUCH PORSCHE HAS NOT LET HIMSELF BREAK DOWN OVER HIS PARENT’S DEATH.

To sum up my MAIN point that I never really established in this, but here it is:

In stories, it’s possible to focus on more than one thing and possible to say I like just this one thing and then also say there isn’t enough of that one thing. In stories, it’s possible to also have individual character growth that might be separate to the plot (aka how technically speaking VegasPete ain’t gotta go that hardcore for each other, because really does it serve the plot which could probably still be executed without the VP vacuum? But hey I live in that vacuum now and it’s such a HOT and DELICIOUS journey for the characters. Feed me, please). VegasPete exists in a vacuum because these two characters happened to be intertwined with one another and KinnPorshce exists in a vacuum because those two characters happened to be intertwined with one another too. Yet (as we've been told) each of these 4 characters are connected to the overarching PLOT and inherently SERVE the MAIN story; like a bridge.

#kinnporsche #vegaspete #have this even though no one asked for it #you can make time for individual characters #but gotta make sure the MAIN PLOT or OVER ARCHING theme doesn't get too choppy? #or too lost...? #if you made to the end of this post you're amazing

[ghcstvalleychief]

Jaye, I've been on this KP fandom, for some time and let me tell its fricking exhausting especially if you're on KP!Twitter lmao like it's an never ending drama: From a very incompetent company, two duscusting and abusive writers, a shitty incel misogynistic actor, toxic and invasive fans and stupid fanwars. I salute you for still standing lol but something that bothers me the most its how many KP fans target and trash Mile for EVERYTHING... do you have any idea/theory why? As far as I know he's been very respectful and polite to fans, he seems diligent and professional in everything he does and let's not forget he pretty much saved KP from cancelation but some people really go their ways with blaming him for everything that happens in the fandom and sometimes the company... I mean he's NOT the CEO and I know fans joke about millionaire Mile that funded KP for the experice but it's truly only that "rumors and jokes". I personally think all Mile did was contact P*nd, absorb Filmania debt and get major sponsors for the new show. Atp I don't even think he's in the board of directors of that filthy company... like I don't even think they have one to begin with lmao they all operate on family-good vibes and no professionalism. Ugh/: I really feel bad for Mile cause he's been nothing but gracious, humble and supporting of his coworkers this whole time.

Sorry for the long post, I just needed to vent and I know how much you love Mileapo while simultaneously hating B*C lol.

I’m glad my reputation precedes me, because you’re absolutely right. I do hate BOC while loving MileApo at the same time. 😋

I’ve been very .. careful about what I say on my Twitter these days. I used to be quite reckless but I decided to take a step back from all of that because the nonsense is incredibly draining these days. Every day, there seems to be more and more bullshit happening in this fandom with this company so .. it’s exhausting honestly, anon. There was a time where I didn’t mind the trash talk, but that was before I realize how much this fandom thrives off of chaos and drama. I’m sure you’re aware of all of this.

I always say that people are entitled to how they feel, but I’m also entitled to speak my own opinion even if it doesn’t match up to what the more vocal fans think. So, here we go. I saw a screenshot once about a couple of weeks ago (or maybe less than that) that pretty much showed that Pond owns the majority of the company and Mile may own 1 share, if that much. 1 share in a company isn’t enough to make any serious or long-term decisions in said company though. Mile is not the CEO of BOC. It was a joke, but the dumbasses who hate him have taken it and run with it so it’s best to reiterate that. With the way this fandom has treated Mile over the last few months, I’ve transitioned from a Kinn apologist to a Mile one. Isn’t that funny? 🤣

At one point, I thought maybe people were coming at Mile because of his former girlfriend. I know the fans within this industry would much rather prefer the actors continuously sell the fantasy of them being non-straight people so their fetishized fantasies aren’t destroyed. I’m not saying that Mile having a girlfriend or dating women in the past makes him completely straight nor am I assuming anything in regards to his sexual orientation. I’m merely stating an observation based on the ways in which these fans think when it comes to this. Most fans in this community want to be lied to and they want to be sold a dream. They don’t want any of these actors to dash those dreams by making them realize that a huge chunk of their faves just may be straight men and nothing more. It could be all of this, or maybe not.

I have yet to wrap my head around why Mile receives the majority of this vitriol. Apo gets some of it sometimes, but Mile has been consistently receiving this bullshit for months on end. I doubt it has anything to do with them not liking Kinn. Honestly, they have no true reason for hating Mile. Let’s be serious. There’s nothing concrete that they’ve found to prove that he’s anything other than what he portrays himself to be. I’ve seen the lies they attempted to spread that’s been debunked a long time ago, and that was their one chance of making the fandom believe him to be something much more awful than he is. I’m not saying that he’s a perfect little angel. All I’m saying is that there’s nothing that justifies the abuse and harassment he gets, and that’s mainly why this show and this fandom needs to be burned to the ground. This is just a breeding ground for people who have no real lives who feel the only way they can get attention is if they start drama and create hate campaigns against actors who haven’t done shit to deserve it in the first place. This fandom is full of immature children if you ask me. There’s a huge chunk of people in this fandom who have yet to live or experience life and that’s why they feel the need to do all of this. 

#anonymous #answered asks #this fandom needs to die #I want mile and apo to move on #if the rumors are to be believed; I really hope mile leaves and takes apo with him #just go! #let the fandom destroy itself #that's the only way it's going to end #otherwise; we're going to be dealing with a constant stream of shit for the next two years #imagine that

[gaykey]

Not but I have to say the VP fans have pretty much ruined that ship for me. I came into this show blind. I had no idea the novel existed and when I learned a bit about it, I was hesitant to ship VP. KP was a little different because I felt like the show handled their first time in a way that I was able to rationalize and accept but with VP it’s a diff story because what happened in the book was so horrendous and I still don’t really know how they’ll handle that subject matter in the show. So as I was already wary, it really didn’t help that a small handful of VP shippers completely turned me off to this particular pairing. I’m dreading it now. I even have a bunch of VP tags that are blocked so I don’t have to see it. It always ends up being those types of fans that ruin things. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve had to block some Kinn and Porsche shippers/apologists for that exact same reason but it makes me sad that I’m not really wanting to watch the VP scenes coming up and it’s directly related to the toxicity in the fandom. This was a bit of a reminder that I left fandom years ago because this is always, ALWAYS what happens. It’s just so disappointing at this point.

you're not the only person who's said this to me - about the stans ruining the ship.

mmm, like lowkey the vp stuff has me feeling so anxious? i'm genuinely nervous about it, and about the fandom reaction to it.

whilst i have faith in the show for the most part, and that they're cut things that are really awful, and handle the other stuff with care, i really don't want to deal with everything else

i've decided to just, completely stay out of tag except for show days, or in the top posts section for gifs now because lord are the takes cold

just gonna watch it without the added intensity of the entire fandom and form my own opinions on it

i only care about that, and opinions of the ppl i follow and my mutuals

and yeah that's fandom

cringey and weird and with the tendency to ruin stuff. it's always gonna be like that.

#anon #not tagging because i don't want any more passive aggressive replies to my posts lol

[kinnporsche007]

It’s gonna be a long one!

Kinn and Porsche, let’s talk about Kinn first. He’s a mafia boss, some of you seem to be forgetting about that but he’s a BOSS! And mafia one at that.

He starts to care for Porsche, it isn’t particularly good from an employer view. But he can’t help it because he’s also good like that. Porsche’s situation doesn’t help him. Because Porsche’s not up to do for what they ask of him. I know some of you might get angry over this, but why does Porsche started to work harder?

Was it really to make Kinn regret? Or just to be able to get his reassurance? His motives, I believe wasn’t about being a good bodyguard. Because he still isn’t that good!

I see some of you saying, who put Porsche on bar duty, I say why wouldn’t they? He’s supposed to be top notch bodyguard now, like Ken says in the punishment scene. Right?

But no, Porsche had to drink that offered glass, he didn’t questioned it, not really. And don’t say he looked over Kinn for permission. I don’t think that was what it was. Porsche simply did what he wanna do again, and guys, that’s not okay! Not from a employee view.

Porsche’s basically not caring for his job, and he’s proving it. It just proves that he still doesn’t care about being a real protector for Kinn. It’s one of the reasons why I’m looking for when he’s actually gonna look out for Kinn in a very serious way. Don’t get me wrong, Porsche’s gonna get so good, he’ll be scaring people even for looking at Kinn’s way. But he’s got so much more to do before that happens. He’ll get there though, you’ll see.

Now, let’s talk about that faithful night a little. It was dub con at best, nothing more in my opinion. Why though? Let’s start with a different approach, let’s say Porsche wasn’t drugged and he was practically molesting Kinn. Would you all think the same about Porsche’s behavior if his judgment wasn’t clouded (it wasn’t too clouded btw I’ll get to that in a sec).

I know some of you might say Kinn could’ve pushed him he was the sober one(!) (was Kinn really so sober? He was already drinking scotch at the event, and we don’t know if he was also drinking before coming there..) or that he could let one his bodyguards to take care of Porsche. How could he though? You all see it, guy can’t sleep without a gun in his hand in his own home. How can he trust one of his people to take care of Porsche. He can’t, because even if there’s a tiny bit of doubt that one of them is the mole then the minute Kinn leaves Porsche, they might call the predator back and let them have their way with Porsche. Kinn won’t have that risk.

Kinn doesn’t trust anyone. ANYONE! He also couldn’t trust them with Porsche. Because he feels for Porsche, he can’t pinpoint what’s the feeling yet. But Kinn will get there too. It’s not easy for him, living the life he lives.

Let’s get back to the dr*gged topic. I’m gonna treat it more seriously, why? Because some of you act like this is real life and you’re making Kinn to be your arc predator (While you’ve Vegas to blame for pretty much everything). So I’ll also act like it’s more serious than it is.

Let’s talk about consent in that scene, first of all Porsche headbutted Vegas. He was conscious enough to realize something was wrong and needed to stop. Then he threw up. That’s also something that’s gonna help him feel more grounded. Then Kinn takes him to the bathroom he’s once again conscious enough to push Kinn, to tell him not get touchy.

I’m not making up these scenes they happened! And do you really think Kinn didn’t wash Porsche a little or at least wiped him with wet towel? Because they were covered in puke. Except they weren’t when we see them in the bathroom. So everyone can breathe, maybe Porsche even brushed his teeth. (And also how do you know Kinn didn’t use lube or condoms? It’s not like they can show every little detail, it’s not p*rn guys!)

Anyways, then we see Porsche looking for something in Kinn. Something he begin to look for, starting ep3. Porsche looks for his attention. He doesn’t know why he wants it, not in the way of reality, Porsche just knows that he has that need for particularly Kinn’s attention.

He needs to have it. His eyes are also on Kinn when he’s looking for an approval or something, it’s subtle but it’s there. And the way Porsche chooses his words. It’s a very open way of showing how much Porsche needs it from Kinn, and Kinn only!

Back to the faithful night, I say it’s dub con at best because, Porsche’s touching all over Kinn, he’s aware, I completely agree that dr*gs have affects on him because he’s being very courageous. But he isn’t off of his mind guys! And he remembers, he remembers something very particular, like Kinn kissing him and he’s also in his mind enough to use that against Kinn. (Didn’t any of you guys get drunk or experiment with some of the p*lls to know, how hard it is to keep your mind in one place or remember anything in particular? just saying)

Porsche knows guys, he knows that Kinn thinks he doesn’t remember the kiss. So he hits Kinn up with it. He says admit you like me. Porsche’s begging for that attention from Kinn again.

But since we’re having a real life approach (it’s not that easy to call people r*pist like that!), I would definitely be defending Kinn by saying, Porsche practically molested Kinn while all Kinn ever wanted to do was take care of Porsche. And I would say Porsche was conscious enough to remember and keep up with a conversation as well. I would argue that what happened was consensual (I’m defending Kinn it’s my defense strategy here because you all are coming for my man Kinn! Calling him names and all) and that they could ask all about it to the supposed victim! (Porsche remembers the night..)

Porsche himself says he isn’t that weak! He isn’t! Porsche’s feelings are all over the place, but why? Is it because he had sex with Kinn? Didn’t he wanted it? No guys he initiated it! And he’s upset because he feels it meant something for him. He begs Kinn to accept that it meant something for Kinn as well. That he means something for Kinn.

But Kinn can’t do that. He can’t! He’s already known by his favoritism, giving Porsche what he needs will only mean it’s gonna put them both in the dangers way more.

Porsche gets devastated once he learns Kinn wanted the punishment (Kinn didn’t Korn did, but Porsche doesn’t know that) that’s what pushes Porsche off finally Porsche’s deciding that he didn’t want it to happen. That’s why he’s in pain.

They keep coming his way though, later he sees Kinn’s ‘friend’ and he also sees how he’s touching Kinn, so Porsche looks, he probably can’t do anything but look. It’s only hurts so bad when Kinn says he’s replacing Porsche with Ken. Why Ken though, right? I think it’s because Ken works more for papa Korn. He’s the one that keeps carrying intel on Kinn to Korn. And Kinn choosing his dad’s path. Because at the end of the day he still needs protection, and now he also needs to protect Porsche.

Porsche can’t understand that. He’s far too deep to think he means nothing to Kinn. Kinn asking Porsche, can’t you see what I’ve done, was so good! Kinn, maybe for the first time begging Porsche to see what he’s trying to do for them. But Porsche’s got too broken on the way he can’t trust Kinn’s words now.

And now let’s talk about why Porsche isn’t good what he’s doing, again. It’s because of his behavior and Vegas. Porsche doesn’t realize it yet but him hanging out with Vegas is gonna become a problem not only because of Kinn.

Main family and minor family are pretty much fighting. Trying to literally kill each other. Don’t tell me Porsche doesn’t hear that. I think ep5 proved that bodyguards talk. There’s no way Porsche doesn’t know this. Then why does he keep doing it? Why does he let Vegas get close to him? He’s pretty much taking Vegas’ side everytime he talks with Kinn.

I haven’t read the books but my bestie told me all about it. And if I didn’t know about it I might actually consider Porsche as the mole! Yeah that’s right! I’m completely on board with Kim looking at Porsche and trying to figure him out. Porsche’s shady. I know there’s a Porsche thirst going on. (I mean look at Apo, I understand that, but it isn’t supposed to mean we’ve to throw Kinn under the bus!)

And Porsche’s pretty much trying to get Kinn killed from an objective view of things. He definitely doesn’t care enough what happens to Kinn. We all see Kinn trying to take care of Porsche but guys, we haven’t see Porsche doing the same to him!

And now he’s hanging out with Vegas in a very open way. It’s shady af. If I were to be Korn I wouldn’t have let Porsche to protect any of my children.

And Porsche being very verbally warned by Kinn twice now. He shows no regret for it. Like I said if I didn’t know better I might seriously consider Porsche as the mole.

At last once more I say that punishment was much needed. Porsche is an employee. And he keeps making mistakes. The mistakes he shouldn’t be getting away with. Just try and see things from an objective view once more. I bet none you wouldn’t have let any of your employees go that far. But it’s easy to talk, isn’t it?

The view only shows Porsche doesn’t care about his job, he hangs out with Vegas (with minor family) he keeps screwing things up. He’s untrustworthy. I know some of you are gonna get mad at me for saying all this, but this is what’s happening.

And I’m rooting for the day Porsche’s gonna prove everyone wrong and he’s gonna prove to Kinn as well that he’s Kinn’s head bodyguard indeed and he’s on his side, and he loves him.

They both are gonna prove. And it’s going to be spectacular to watch it all happen.

#kinnporsche #kinnporsche the series #kinn theerapanyakul #kinn x porsche #porsche pachara #some ranting #don’t come at me for being a Kinn apologist #because I’ve no shame in that #i said what i said #kinnporsche meta #kinn meta